Digest for sci.electronics.repair@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 6 topics

jurb6006@gmail.com: Mar 03 11:16PM -0800

>"IF you double the voltage into double the load, the CURRENT stays the same.
 
But double the voltage at the same current is TWICE the power.
 
Power = V x I "
 
I had that down before I had pubic hair. The way you worded it was the subject of my comment.
 
>"** Its about 2.5kV for a 6L6GC. "
 
According to http://www.radiostation.ru/tubes/6L6GC-GE.pdf you are really pushing it. But then IIRC, that plate voltage is at quiescence and can go double. They were not rated like transistors. A transistor might say "1,000 volts" and at 1,175.3 volts it shorts out. Seems like they EXPECTED alot of voltage on tubes.
 
However there are limits on other components of course, and an audio circuit is not quite like an LOPT. (actually that is closer to the OP than our digression, but then this is SER so that is expected) But to bring up the LOPT, or HOT over here, that does operate in class C. Most RF outputs of course operate in class C. That is a whole different world.
 
Plate dissipation doesn't mean shit, it is just a matter of peak current and peak voltage, which when they don't happen at the same time are of course much easier to deal with.
 
>"** FFS the wire melts, bits come off and create shorts. "
 
I am in the "WTF was I thinking" mode now. At my young age, I guess I could say I have forgotten more about electronics than many know. That is one of the most simple concepts but yet it slipped my mind. Of course when the wires melt they go out of whack and cause problems. I got too used to transistors. You can talk about some layer in a MOSFET breaking down and causing some weird leakage or some shit, but this is mechanical. The real problem is I must be losing it because I am from a car family.
 
Really, I have out-trouble shot the factory guys and I can give you two examples. One was the "bulletproof" 2.5 L that ran like shit. The books all said it had timing gears and therefore would not jump time. Therefore the crank sensor was what the book said. But after I saw the shit blowing back through the throttle body I said "Tear down for timing chain", a part that the DEALERSHIP said it did not have. I was right. The dealership, after the guy paid the diagnostic said "replace engine". Instead my buddy got off with a hundred bucks ort whatever for timing irons.
 
Another notable thing was my ex-lawyer's pickenup truck. (he got disbarred, go figure) It was some sort of Datsun or something but he wanted to keep it. Now this guy was no dumbass, as a matter of fact he pretty much built his own house. Ad he was not dumb when it came to cars either but this had him stumped.
 
The problem was that at random intervals it would run like shit, and I mean not be able to get out of its own way run like shit.
 
The problem we traced down was about a Woodruff key i n the crankshaft. He had had the timing belt replaced not long before and apparently (and a machinist verified this) that apparently the mechanic who did the job lost the original Woodruff key which was metric.
 
Well he could not get a metric one so put in a USian replacement, which was loose. Over a short time it sheared because it was direct from the crank to the damper. This system also ran the camshaft. So every once in a while it went out of phase. It DID take some doing to figure that one out but the guy had no problem with money.
 
The reason he wanted specifically to keep this little pickup truck had to do with the suspension. (he was smart enough for that) He had a tow bar on the front and used to tow it with his camper. He said that was the only vehicle he could find that could be easily backed up, like a trailer. After I got more information on the vehicle I thinki I found out why.
 
It had linear torsion bar suspension. Unlike those old Dodges that had crossbar suspension, (which really wasn't all that bad) cars like the Caddilac Eldoado and the Olds Toronado had the torsion bars going front to back. They had special rims and if you look at the book they were set to (or could be) zero toe in, zero caster, zero camber.
 
He told me that this was the only thing he could tow that he could back up with. All other vehicles jacknifed. Start backing up and the steering wheel would go all the way one direction or the other. Not this one. Linear torsion bar suspension.
 
And it was a shitcan. My Toronados had that suspension but they were suspending a 455 with almost 500 horsepower. This was four cylinder ! But he liked it so we fixed it.
 
By the time we got to it, the Woodruff key had worn the notch in the crank so badly that a new one would not be tight either, so we brazed it in.
 
Sorry to be so long but then, this is Usenet. Bottom line, if anyone thinks I'm stupid, I want know what you think of the rest of the people. I mean like that broad on the video whose boyfriend asks here "If you are doing 60 miles per hour and drive for an hour, how far have you gone ?". And she could not answer it. In fact I think some asshole somewhere called that video politically incorrect.
 
God damn.
Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll>: Mar 03 06:14PM +0100

On 03.03.17 9:36, N_Cook wrote:
> I cracked open the device and no obvious tarnish on internal frame
> metal. Anyone know what the failure process was? was silver plating
> found to be problematic?
 
Silver oxide conducts.
So, it could have been enough to clean to body of the ttl chip.
"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Mar 03 09:41AM -0800

a) Silver Oxide will not form in this case, as copper is sacrificial to silver.
b) Copper Oxide (Cu0) is a semi-conductor, and is also black as described, and under the condition described would have looked like soot. But, as a semi-conductor would have led to all kinds of erratic behavior.
 
But, that does not take away from your correct conclusion that it would have been enough (for now) just to clean. However, as long as there was now-exposed copper, the process would have continued until all the copper was consumed. By then, all the silver would have been dissipated as well.
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Mar 03 06:21PM


> But, that does not take away from your correct conclusion that it would have been enough (for now) just to clean. However, as long as there was now-exposed copper, the process would have continued until all the copper was consumed. By then, all the silver would have been dissipated as well.
 
> Peter Wieck
> Melrose Park, PA
 
All this is one the external sections of the pins? how would these
effects progress into the active die or at least weld-spots ?
This piece of kit was not stored i na damp environment, so no chance of
capilliary action.
"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Mar 03 10:44AM -0800

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 1:21:14 PM UTC-5, N_Cook wrote:
 
> effects progress into the active die or at least weld-spots ?
> This piece of kit was not stored i na damp environment, so no chance of
> capilliary action.
 
This is all happening at the chemical level by electrolysis. So the corrosion would follow the path as the copper starts being exposed. Clearly the silver-over-copper extends into the body of the die - and the same oxides would form within. Once the process is established, no moisture is really necessary, just oxygen and time. You have to understand that the galvanic action is made much worse by the presence of silver making copper act as a sacrificial electrode to the silver reacting with anything attacking it and whatever the base metal might be.
 
The thickness of the coating - at least several molecules - is plenty wide enough, if you will excuse the expression.
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
"Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com>: Mar 03 08:02PM

"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:o9b9r3$71c$1@dont-email.me...
> I cracked open the device and no obvious tarnish on internal frame metal.
> Anyone know what the failure process was? was silver plating found to be
> problematic?
 
There have been problems in the past where gold plated IC pins have
developed a microscopic insulating layer - but I don't know about silver
plated.
 
Silver plating develops black silver sulphide after long exposure to air,
with NOS parts you'd just clean it off and solder as normal. Silver is a
component of several types of solder alloys. So I don't think it should
cause any problems.
"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Mar 03 12:28PM -0800

Mpfffff..... Some clarification required.
 
FINE silver plating (most of it) *will not* tarnish from exposure to air, nor will it form sulphur compounds - without other contributing factors. Sterling silver (.925 silver) is an entirely different matter.
 
What is going on here electro-galvanic (galvanic action) *corrosion* of the copper plating under the silver - and most things electro-silver-plated other than brass are first copper-plated to guarantee proper adhesion.
 
The black material noted is CuO, not tarnished silver.
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Mar 03 12:51PM -0800


> The black material noted is CuO, not tarnished silver.
 
> Peter Wieck
> Melrose Park, PA
 
Thanks, we've had many an Eprom with corroded legs that are from the
70s, in some cases the legs break off inside the IC sockets when the
EPROM is removed. Also this is common on some other ICs used in the
early 80s, such as Galaga which has Namco custom ICs, where again the
legs are corroding right off them.
 
Is there any way to arrest the process? Be nice to have something to dip
the legs into to cancel the corrosion, similar to using white vinegar
and water (50/50) to neutralize alkaline battery leakage corrosion.
 
John :-#)#
 
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"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Mar 03 01:05PM -0800

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 3:51:17 PM UTC-5, John Robertson wrote:
 
> the legs into to cancel the corrosion, similar to using white vinegar
> and water (50/50) to neutralize alkaline battery leakage corrosion.
 
> John :-#)#
 
 
The best way I have found - if at all possible - is a coat of flexible lacquer over the entirety. I admit to having a bottle of flexible fingernail polish hidden away amongst my other solvents for this sort of thing. Stop the air, stop the corrosion.
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
"Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com>: Mar 03 09:08PM

"John Robertson" <spam@flippers.com> wrote in message
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> Is there any way to arrest the process? Be nice to have something to dip
> the legs into to cancel the corrosion, similar to using white vinegar and
> water (50/50) to neutralize alkaline battery leakage corrosion.
 
No idea whether its related - but when I serviced VGA monitors, I often
encountered brown glue that was probably applied to prevent components from
fatiguing their leads.
 
This stuff eventually became brittle and crumbly - and highly corrosive. It
frequently etched away component leads.
 
Once brittle it was fairly easy to chip away, but in the early stages it was
elastic like contact adhesive, and lighter brown like Evo-stik.
 
Very often a component like a resistor would come out encased in this stuff
and the leads completely eaten away.
"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Mar 03 01:40PM -0800

Yep. "Elephant Snot" turned out to be a very bad idea over time. Much like foam speaker surrounds of recent memory.
 
I use an acid-free neutral-formula flexible hot-melt for the purpose. I source from AdTech.
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Mar 03 10:07PM

On 03/03/2017 21:08, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:
> was elastic like contact adhesive, and lighter brown like Evo-stik.
 
> Very often a component like a resistor would come out encased in this
> stuff and the leads completely eaten away.
 
I've quite often found problems with conformal coating, over decades, it
seems to trap moisture underneath as though hygroscopic/delequescent or
whatever its called
N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Mar 03 10:07PM

On 03/03/2017 21:08, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:
> was elastic like contact adhesive, and lighter brown like Evo-stik.
 
> Very often a component like a resistor would come out encased in this
> stuff and the leads completely eaten away.
 
sorry wrong followup.
You failed to mention it going conductive
N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Mar 03 10:11PM


> The best way I have found - if at all possible - is a coat of flexible lacquer over the entirety. I admit to having a bottle of flexible fingernail polish hidden away amongst my other solvents for this sort of thing. Stop the air, stop the corrosion.
 
> Peter Wieck
> Melrose Park, PA
 
I've quite often found problems with conformal coating, over decades, it
seems to trap moisture underneath as though hygroscopic/delequescent or
whatever its called , an oily/ jelly type composition beneath, complete
with green copper carbonate corrossion product
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>: Mar 03 09:19PM -0800

Sjouke Burry wrote:
 
> Silver oxide conducts.
 
** You got proof of that ?
 
In any case, the black tarnish on silver exposed to air is Silver Sulphate - which is an insulator.
 
 
.... Phil
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>: Mar 03 09:25PM -0800

Phil Allison wrote:
 
 
> In any case, the black tarnish on silver exposed to air is Silver Sulphate - which is an insulator.
 
** That should be "Silver Sulphide" = Ag2S
 
 
.... Phil
Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu>: Mar 03 06:08PM -0600

Bob Engelhardt wrote:
 
 
> It's highly improbable that your machine is weaker than mine, so your
> 50W in versus my 200W means that mine is way too high. Unless my
> Kill-a-watt is wonky.
I think it HAS to be that the Kill-a-Watt is not measuring a non-linear load
properly. If the PS was burning 150 W internally, a small fan would NOT be
able to cool the hot components effectively. Saying that 2 75 W bulbs in
the housing would not burn up is not germane. There are several components
in the PS that will be generating all the heat. Switching transistors,
diodes and maybe transformers are what will get hot. Real Kill-a-Watt
meters are SUPPOSED to properly measure non-linear loads up to some
reasonable crest factor, like 10. Probably most non-PFC corrected power
supplies won't be too much worse than a crest factor of 10 (I hope).
 
So, you might check this with a real electromagnetic wattmeter or a Kill-a-
Watt that is known to handle non-linear loads accurately.
 
Or, if you want to go nuts, get a digital scope or other scope, digitize the
current waveform and numerically integrate the true power draw.
 
Jon
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Mar 03 03:19PM -0800

On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 19:26:59 -0800, "David Farber"
<farberbear.unspam@aol.com> wrote:
(...)
 
"How to take apart a UHF U2 Shure wireless Microphone"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFcDXRhNEhQ> (1:28)
 
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jurb6006@gmail.com: Mar 03 11:41AM -0800

>"Probably an export subsidy. The Chinese subsidize manufacturers, the US
subsidizes sport stadiums. "
 
Now you hit a nerve. that has been one of my peeves for a long time. Cities pay these sports teams to build a new stadium and it costs regular people like $100 to go there (each) and cannot bring their own beer so they have to buy it there which costs ten times what it is worth, a hot dog is like about ten bucks. Just water costs a bunch and they turn off the coolers for the water fountains. These pieces of shit never miss an opportunity to make a buck. Don't even go there without $200 that you can burn.
 
This is about what the banks do to countries. They were OK, but then the bank offers them money to "improve the infrastructure" ostensibly to attract industry which in turn should generate income and provide tax revenues which will supposedly pay off the debt.
 
But they are just out to make a buck and it is a bunch of bullshit. One guy can do the work of ten. The jobs are not coming back ANYWHERE. And I mean ANYWHERE, even Germany. They are not whining about the Chinese taking their jobs, they know the problem. Productivity. They are probably the most productive people in the world when it comes to precision things. At one time they made almost every fuel injector for engines in the world. This means from one to possibly sixteen of them per vehicle, in the whole world. (very few had sixteen, most had four to eight, but that is still a hell of alot of them)
 
As such, because jobs are not coming back, you get a situation like Greece. They claim tax evasion as a cause but when the government of a country does nothing for you, or does more against you, you don't owe them jack shit. When you got people taking their own kids to an orphanage because they cannot feed them, I am pretty sure the government has fucked them. Those jobs never materialised, and the fact is they never will.
Foxs Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Mar 03 01:50PM -0600

> Now you hit a nerve.
 
<http://thesweethome.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/02/01w-aluminum-foil-reynolds-wrap-heavy-duty-630.jpg>
 
 
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Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Mar 03 03:12PM -0500

In article <fb15b7be-44db-4757-b61a-a1ff1e97f55f@googlegroups.com>,
jurb6006@gmail.com says...
 
> >"Probably an export subsidy. The Chinese subsidize manufacturers, the US
> subsidizes sport stadiums. "
 
> Now you hit a nerve. that has been one of my peeves for a long time. Cities pay these sports teams to build a new stadium and it costs regular people like $100 to go there (each) and cannot bring their own beer so they have to buy it there which costs ten times what it is worth, a hot dog is like about ten bucks. Just water costs a bunch and they turn off the coolers for the water fountains. These pieces of
shit never miss an opportunity to make a buck. Don't even go there without $200 that you can burn.
 
I don't do sports so do not care how much they charge the people. I do
hate it when my tax money goes there.
 
Surprises me that they have not priced theirselves out of business.
From what I have heard, the NASCAR racing has about done that. They
have forgotten that it is a sport for the beer drinking hot dog eating
redneck and not for the wine and chease eaters.
 
I do think it is ashame to charge big bucks for things people need like
water at the events. Not sure what it is now,but 20 years ago they were
getting about $ 4 for a bottle of water, or anything else to drink at
the ball parks.
"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Mar 03 12:44PM -0800

This is a bit like the movies - there is very little money in the actual admissions for the theater companies. The money is in the concessions. So, $5 for a 12-ounce Coke is par for the course.
 
The cities need the sports teams for status, revenue generated by wage and income taxes, concession taxes, and more. But they cannot afford to maintain them without a revenue stream. An $8 bottle of water is that stream. About a buck goes to the concession, the rest is one-or-another form of tax to the city. The "gate" is for perhaps 95 days per year for a dual-use stadium (baseball & football and maybe a few concerts). And only in the case of a _VERY_ successful team is that stadium ever full even half the time. Football-exclusive stadiums run perhaps 10 days per year *including* special events. Maybe 20 days in a good year. But they are there all year.
 
If you buy only chicken from KFC or Hamburgers from McDonald's, they lose money. But that $1.29 soft drink costs them about $0.05 - the most expensive part being the cup, second, the straw. That medium fries costs about $0.15. And so forth.
 
Consider the issue, today, of going to a sports event. Between parking, queuing, and getting out afterward it is an ordeal, a little like flying steerage. Up near our summer house is an old-fashioned track (Numidia Raceway) where good fun may still be had. And good-old-boys (and gals) still be found. But that is in Pennsyltucky, PA, not downtown major city.
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Mar 03 04:22PM -0500

In article <c3ce3d36-699a-42a1-9878-c9100a974a06@googlegroups.com>,
pfjw@aol.com says...
 
> This is a bit like the movies - there is very little money in the actual admissions for the theater companies. The money is in the concessions. So, $5 for a 12-ounce Coke is par for the course.
 
> The cities need the sports teams for status, revenue generated by wage and income taxes, concession taxes, and more. But they cannot afford to maintain them without a revenue stream. An $8 bottle of water is that stream. About a buck goes to the concession, the rest is one-or-another form of tax to the city. The "gate" is for perhaps 95 days per year for a dual-use stadium (baseball & football and maybe a few
concerts). And only in the case of a _VERY_ successful team is that stadium ever full even half the time. Football-exclusive stadiums run perhaps 10 days per year *including* special events. Maybe 20 days in a good year. But they are there all year.
 
Yes, many cities make big bucks from the sports due to other sources of
revenue. I live in NC and Charlotte is complaining about loosing all
kinds of money due to the gays in sports. Seems they passed some
bathroom law and the state sort of passed a law over rulling that. Then
the gays of sports canceled out many events, or moved them to anoter
state. Now Charlotte is crying about loosing all the hotel and other
business from the out of town people.
"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Mar 03 02:10PM -0800

Not to be political or anything.
 
But.
 
People have voted with their feet since the beginning of time. They go where they feel invited. They avoid where they feel threatened.
 
They go to an inviting environment. They avoid environments that are unwelcoming - and that means at any level.
 
There is no true test of any environment other than being there. In all the states I have been to (all but three, Hawaii, North Dakota and Florida), the least inviting was Oregon by a large margin. The most, Texas and Minnesota. This just from day-to-day stuff like buying gas, going to a restaurant, asking directions, renting a hotel room. Random encounters with normal people. As with the below.
 
Of all the cities I have been in, with my wife or alone, the most welcoming was Istanbul. The least, San Diego.
 
Of all the countries we have visited (13 to-date, soon to be 14), Saudi was the most welcoming, with Canada running a very close second. France, not so much. We will be testing Cuba in June.
 
But you get the point. I have choices where to go and what to do when there. And where to spend my discretionary income.
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
jurb6006@gmail.com: Mar 03 11:12AM -0800

>"You can post public files to a private Google Drive, which is free,
All you have to do is mark the file as public."
 
Understood, but what to do with files that were posted year(s) ago and now the URL is invalid and you cannot go back and edit the post ?
 
And that applies to every forum on the net, not just Usenet.
 
You can say "Whaddya want for nothing" and really that is true. And that is why I am not going to use Google Drive. If you are not the customer, you are the product.
 
Damn, I never though I would insist on paying. My Uncle would probably kill me but he is dead now. One day I might write of him, but not today.
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