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alonerasool@gmail.com: Jun 09 03:42AM -0700

Hi there
I'm repairing a variable smps based on SG3525 IC. the IC gets too hot and finally it burns away. what's the problem?
jurb6006@gmail.com: Jun 09 04:33AM -0700

> Hi there
> I'm repairing a variable smps based on SG3525 IC. the IC gets too hot and finally it burns away. what's the problem?
 
That is like way too much not enough information.
 
Is it used to drive a transformer directly or transistors ? If directly, what about the load on the transformer, have you checked the rectifiers on the secondary ?
 
You have to give some fucking information to get help on shit like this. Does the thing, whatever it is, work but then it pops ? Or just fry out and not work ?
 
Get more info out here, and actually the duty cycle of the waveform it is putting out. Get a Dropbox account and use the \public directory for pics like this. When you try to use their picture thing it gets all fucked up.
 
And what is the make and model of this thing ? Unless it is some homebrew custom thing...
 
If you are unable to supply this information you have no business trying to fix the thing. If you have changed that IC fifty times you have no business trying to fix that thing.
 
When I ask for help here I got voltage readings, waveforms and all kinds of tricks I did to find out this and that. Sometimes it works ad sometimes nobody knows. You come in here with a post like that most people think you are a total noob and don't know shit.
 
Now it is up to you to prove otherwise. We can't read your mind or your scope, and you better have one. Of each.
N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Jun 09 12:53PM +0100

> Hi there
> I'm repairing a variable smps based on SG3525 IC. the IC gets too hot and finally it burns away. what's the problem?
 
What frequency? what should it be?
Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com>: Jun 08 03:58PM -0400

[Default] On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 09:43:45 -0400, in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
 
>> on. I ended up unplugging it from the adapter at least 10 times
>> before it finally started working. And now it's been fine for hours.
 
>Avoid the problem: buy an uninterrupted power supply.
 
I have one, but I didn't think to connect the router to it. Thanks
 
Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com>: Jun 08 04:03PM -0400

[Default] On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 11:43:34 -0500, in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid>
wrote:
 
 
>BTW, I have seldom (if ever) benefited from reporting a power outage.
>The system is usually busy from others reporting outages. However, I
>still liked checking the map that shows outages.
 
I don't report them because I know there are others more impatient
than I. I just sit in the dark. Plus these days, I wonder if they
self-report?
 
I think night before last was just for a moment. I have a UPS on my
DVDR, but it doesn't work as well as I'd hoped for, and iirc even with
the UPS, the DVDR forgets what shows to record if the outage is more
than a few moments. (testing would be very inconvenient.) Or I could
compare with my analog clocks.
"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com>: Jun 08 10:13PM +0100

"Micky" <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ojoelb93k3cdju7bep4hbepf7l9um5movb@4ax.com...
> for my router failing after a power outage. Apparently it's not a
> power surge but just normal unplugging and replugging that is bad for
> many things (especially maybe if they can cool off in between).
 
Its fairly common for items with an SMPSU to have an inrush limiting NTC
thermistor, these reduce in resistance when current flow heats them up -
they take a few minutes to cool back to room temperature and return to the
higher resistance.
 
They're mainly to limit the charging surge for the reservoir capacitor -
some items don't have the NTC device, but don't seem to be conspicuously any
less reliable.
 
After a certain manufacture date; anything over 50W had to have a PFC front
end - basically a switch mode regulator that preceeds the reservoir
capacitor - soft start is easier and cheaper to do electronically than
include the NTC device.
Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com>: Jun 08 07:05PM -0400

[Default] On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 22:13:39 +0100, in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general "Ian Field"
>end - basically a switch mode regulator that preceeds the reservoir
>capacitor - soft start is easier and cheaper to do electronically than
>include the NTC device.
 
Well this thing is pretty old. 8 years at least but I can't remember
where I bought it. Maybe it was used. D-link DI-524
John McGaw <Nobody@Nowh.ere>: Jun 08 08:10PM -0400

On 6/7/2016 8:17 PM, Micky wrote:
> plugged it in 3 times, ALL the lights on the router went on and stayed
> on. I ended up unplugging it from the adapter at least 10 times
> before it finally started working. And now it's been fine for hours.
 
It would seem that the logical thing would be to simply buy a new router
from a good maker. If the router uses a 12V supply and your area has bad
power problems something like a Belkin BU3DC001-12V instead of a 'normal'
wall-wart supply might be advisable too if the plug is fully compatible. I
use the Belkin on my AT&T modem (it came with one) and another on my main
switch in the equipment room (I had a spare one just sitting there) while
each of the computers has their own 1200VA AC UPS supplying it and any
important ancillary network equipment, etc, in their vicinity. I have five
of these AC UPS units. The power in my area really sucks big time and I
eventually learned my lesson...
 
But I never did see any symptoms such as you describe -- everything reset
fine after being powered off for a few seconds or when the reset button was
pressed (in the old days where there were actual reset buttons on small
network equipment).
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jun 08 07:32PM -0700

On Wed, 08 Jun 2016 19:05:53 -0400, Micky
 
>Well this thing is pretty old. 8 years at least but I can't remember
>where I bought it. Maybe it was used. D-link DI-524
 
Garbage. I had nothing but problems with that vintage D-Link hardware
due to line glitches. The stock 5V 2.5A JTA0302B power supply is a
known headache. They tend to last about 3-5 years before the
capacitors bulge. If you put a scope on the PS line, you'll find it
full of switching trash. If you're good at brain surgery and working
in tight spaces, you can possibly fix it.
 
This is unusual, but cute:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMVyFy_pb7E> (1:41)
 
Look through the Linksys refurbished collection for a cheap
replacement:
<http://stores.ebay.com/Linksys-Official-Store?_dmd=2&_nkw=refurbished>
 
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com>: Jun 09 12:16AM -0400

On Wed, 08 Jun 2016 19:32:39 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
 
>due to line glitches. The stock 5V 2.5A JTA0302B power supply is a
>known headache. They tend to last about 3-5 years before the
>capacitors bulge.
 
Yeah, now I r emember that we talked about capacitors (on electonics
repair) the last time, and I cracked it open and looked, but I didnt'
seen any that looked swollen. Maybe I just don't know how to look.
 
And my experience is consistent with yours, 2 bad ones in 8 years.
Last time, after the new power supply came via Ebay, it dawned on me
that I'd bought a spare at a hamfest, but I went to look at it, and it
had no wifi, only routing, and the power supply wasn't with it. But
then a few months later, I found a brand new, still wrapped in
cellophane, same thing as I'm using. I'd forgotten I had both. So I
know where to get a 3rd powersupply and if it blows, I'll go back to
the Ambico Universal Digital Camera AC Adaptor, 2100mA, with 4
different tips** and voltages from 3 to 7 volts. I paid $9 for it
20 years ago for just this sort of situation.
 
**tubular tips, none of which would fit any digital camera made these
days, because they are all USB, aren't they? Even many of the brands
of camera they list don't make cameras anymore, afaik: Hewlitt
Packard, Vivitar, Kodak, Minolta, Epson. Epson?
 
> If you put a scope on the PS line, you'll find it
>full of switching trash. If you're good at brain surgery and working
>in tight spaces, you can possibly fix it.
 
I'm working on it, but when I get good at brain surgery, I plan to be
a brain surgeon.
 
"Ron D." <Ron.Dozier@gmail.com>: Jun 08 10:25PM -0700

Quote from someone
 
But I never did see any symptoms such as you describe -- everything reset
fine after being powered off for a few seconds or when the reset button was
pressed (in the old days where there were actual reset buttons on small
network equipment).
 
Seen those sort of symptoms all of the time. Power glitching is a good reason for them. If there's no backup batteries within the device, pull the adapter and short the input to the router for at least 39 seconds. I've resurrected a number of things this way. The last device was a wireless mouse. Did the "short trick" overnight and it worked. Usually 30s to 1 minute usually works.
 
The method has a good reason why it works. I also resurrected a automobile clock that died shortly after a jump start. A bit harder and it was never removed from the dash.
whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>: Jun 08 11:25AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 5:10:12 PM UTC-7, Micky wrote:
 
> [about a suspect capacitor] I'll replace it. Easy enough.
 
> 16volts 1000uF, I suppose the bag of caps in the basement for the last
> 30 years are too old to use???? If so I'll buy a new one.
 
If you have a suitable (15VDC, but 10V or 24V would work, too) power source,
clip it onto a few old capacitors overnight. The next morning, unclip 'em,
wait a few seconds, and any that make your voltmeter jump, are good to use.
 
Even if an old electrolytic doesn't meet its original specs after storage, it DOES
heal if you give it a voltage bias. I've done it in minutes with overvoltage
and a heat gun, but overnight at room temperature is good enough. The capacitor needs applied
voltage and time to re-form its oxide layer.
Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com>: Jun 08 07:00PM -0400

On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 11:25:48 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
 
>> 16volts 1000uF, I suppose the bag of caps in the basement for the last
>> 30 years are too old to use???? If so I'll buy a new one.
 
>If you have a suitable (15VDC, but 10V or 24V would work, too) power source,
 
The adapter for my laptop is 17v or thereabouts. I presume the
negative side goes to the negative on the capacitor?
 
>heal if you give it a voltage bias. I've done it in minutes with overvoltage
>and a heat gun, but overnight at room temperature is good enough. The capacitor needs applied
>voltage and time to re-form its oxide layer.
 
All very good, thank you. a) one cap is expensive by mail, plus
the postage. (Time is not much of a factor anymore. Mail order is a
lot faster than 50 years ago.) b) There was no point to saving
these capacitors if I can't use them anymore. c) There is only
one store in Baltimore that woudl have this and they fairly far away
and expensive. Hmm. Radio Shack is still in business, sort of. (They
used to have the best webpage, that said everything a specific store
had and how many of them. When I bought one, the number on the web
went down.) Well they sell the part but I've waited 10 minutes and
"Find in Store" never loads.
 
But I'll start with what I already have.
"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com>: Jun 08 08:02PM +0100

"Johann Klammer" <klammerj@NOSPAM.a1.net> wrote in message
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>> Thanks for any help.
> <http://formfactors.org/developer/specs/Power_Supply_Design_Guide_Desktop_Platform_Rev_1_2.pdf>(page23)
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX>
 
Thanks - the first link gave a 404, the Wiki page had the info.
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Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com>: Jun 07 08:17PM -0400

On one of these groups, I posted about 6 months ago about the adapter
for my router failing after a power outage. Apparently it's not a
power surge but just normal unplugging and replugging that is bad for
many things (especially maybe if they can cool off in between). I
used a universal adapter for a while and bought the exact replacement
adapter, with the D-Link label, on Ebay. Everything fine.
 
Last night we had another power failure and today, after futile
attempts to get my mail, I see that none of the lights on the router
are on. I hadn't even gotten around to taking the universal adapter
back to it's drawer in the basement!
 
So I switched to that and it didnt' work, but after I unplugged and
plugged it in 3 times, ALL the lights on the router went on and stayed
on. I ended up unplugging it from the adapter at least 10 times
before it finally started working. And now it's been fine for hours.
"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jun 08 03:53AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 8:17:12 PM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
> plugged it in 3 times, ALL the lights on the router went on and stayed
> on. I ended up unplugging it from the adapter at least 10 times
> before it finally started working. And now it's been fine for hours.
 
A cold reboot requires that all the capacitors (ALL of them) are fully drained within the unit. This can take sometimes a few seconds, sometimes hours. And why it is when doing a cold reboot one holds down the start button for 30 seconds prior to actually connecting power. This helps discharge those capacitors.
 
Next time, before connecting the wall wart, try holding down the start button for 30 - 90 seconds.
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>: Jun 08 07:44AM -0500

On Tue, 07 Jun 2016 20:17:00 -0400, Micky
>plugged it in 3 times, ALL the lights on the router went on and stayed
>on. I ended up unplugging it from the adapter at least 10 times
>before it finally started working. And now it's been fine for hours.
 
As a general rule, based on typical product design of older equipment,
a power reset is only reliably achieved through disconnection of power
for a few minutes. I use a 5 minute rule, based on worst case
experience with larger machines - with experience this can be reduced.
 
Reset buttons and even on-off switches can not always be counted on to
do this.
 
If you only want to do this only once, it's worth the extra wait,
particularly if there are many suspect devices (including PCs) in the
possible fault chain. With experience, some fault-specific components
in the chain may be identified to reduce any running around.
 
RL
Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>: Jun 08 09:43AM -0400

On 2016-06-07 20:17, Micky wrote:
> plugged it in 3 times, ALL the lights on the router went on and stayed
> on. I ended up unplugging it from the adapter at least 10 times
> before it finally started working. And now it's been fine for hours.
 
Avoid the problem: buy an uninterrupted power supply.
 
Have a good day,
 
--
Best,
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.ca
"David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid>: Jun 08 07:39AM -0700

On 6/7/2016 5:17 PM, Micky wrote:
> plugged it in 3 times, ALL the lights on the router went on and stayed
> on. I ended up unplugging it from the adapter at least 10 times
> before it finally started working. And now it's been fine for hours.
 
By any chance, are you on Southern California Edison (SCE)?
 
Despite being plugged into a surge suppressor, a SCE outage late last
year fried my router, possibly when power was restored. I had to go out
and buy a new one. SCE denied any responsibility and refused to
reimburse the cost of the router. All they did was apologize for the
inconvenience. Last Saturday, we had another SCE outage. I rushed to
unplug my router before the electricity came back on. This time, my
router survived.
 
SCE has outages sufficiently often, that I refuse to surrender my
land-line phone service. AT&T powers the phones independently of SCE,
which means I can call SCE when there is an outage. Such calls are
impossible during an outage with VoIP phone service, and even some cell
towers die when SCE dies.
 
SCE repeatedly tells me that I can report outages through their Web
site. It does not tell me how to reach their Web site when my PC, my
router, my modem, and the Internet cable service all fail to work
without electricity.
 
--
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>.
 
Donald Trump claims he is a successful businessman.
If so, how does he explain the number of his
enterprises that have gone bankrupt?
Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>: Jun 08 11:29AM -0400

On 2016-06-08 10:39, David E. Ross wrote:
[...]
> site. It does not tell me how to reach their Web site when my PC, my
> router, my modem, and the Internet cable service all fail to work
> without electricity.
 
Get an Uninterruptible Power Supply. Essential protection IMO. Get one
large enough to power your computer, the wi-fi, and the modem for 10
minutes or so, plus a USB cable and software to shut down the computer
in your absence.
 
--
Best,
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.ca
Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid>: Jun 08 11:43AM -0500

On 06/08/2016 09:39 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
 
[snip]
 
> site. It does not tell me how to reach their Web site when my PC, my
> router, my modem, and the Internet cable service all fail to work
> without electricity.
 
During the last multi-day power outage here, I was using a laptop and
mobile hotspot. I ram my generator only part of the time to keep them
charged.
 
BTW, I have seldom (if ever) benefited from reporting a power outage.
The system is usually busy from others reporting outages. However, I
still liked checking the map that shows outages.
 
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/
 
"If the answers to prayer are merely what God wills all along, then why
pray?" Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist
(Madison, WI: FFRF, 1992), p. 108.
"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jun 07 02:48PM -0700


> how tell ?
 
> is either pin grnd-pwr ?
 
> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNrdTQBNCwsS1ZJ85A2oBzhzAWf7oZ1B-iTQkit
 
If the contacts (Usually push-on make connectors) are both isolated from the body of the horn, it makes no difference which one is "hot" and which one is "ground". But, use a VOM to check each terminal for continuity to the mounting studs - and if there is continuity, that one will be the Ground.
 
Pretty basic if this is for an automotive application where the frame often serves as a common ground. But, again, these days, alarm systems try to isolate key components and provide separate grounds so that they are less easily defeated.
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Allodoxaphobia <knock_yourself_out@example.net>: Jun 07 10:36PM

> how tell ?
> is either pin grnd-pwr ?
 
> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNrdTQBNCwsS1ZJ85A2oBzhzAWf7oZ1B-iTQkit
 
"Sign in with your Google Account"
 
Are you freakin' kidding!!!!!!!!
avagadro7@gmail.com: Jun 08 07:00AM -0700


> how tell ?
 
> is either pin grnd-pwr ?
 
> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNrdTQBNCwsS1ZJ85A2oBzhzAWf7oZ1B-iTQkit
 
the 'S' on https: blocks transmission into various servers. Remove the S and retry.
 
No continuity. I found, and not this morning, a small chart in Goo Images defining the horn back as either post for +/-
 
I have forgotten why that was so decribed ....duh
 
now I find a method for the higher level Hella horn
 
scroll down into
 
http://mazda3revolution.com/forums/2014-2016-mazda-3-skyactiv-how-guides/40209-diy-installing-hella-horns-2014-mazda-3-a.html
 
Trying to hook an Omega alarm system into a intermittent blow horn mode with relay for power from batt...horn is on van roof....with flasher on ground side horn. The wiring works but shortly...blowing 2 dorman hi decibel horns.
 
local goons broke into van n crosswired relays....they have a tech....after hearing the horn go off at Walmart.
 
We then moved shopping to the adjacent town.
avagadro7@gmail.com: Jun 08 07:01AM -0700


> Trying to hook an Omega alarm system into a intermittent blow horn mode with relay for power from batt...horn is on van roof....with flasher on ground side horn. The wiring works but shortly...blowing 2 dorman hi decibel horns.
 
> local goons broke into van n crosswired relays....they have a tech....after hearing the horn go off at Walmart.
 
> We then moved shopping to the adjacent town.
 
expected the pin numbers indicating grnd power in Euro style.
"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com>: Jun 07 07:58PM +0100

Does anyone know how much ripple/spike amplitude is acceptable on the
outputs?
 
Thanks for any help.
Johann Klammer <klammerj@NOSPAM.a1.net>: Jun 08 01:07PM +0200

On 06/07/2016 08:58 PM, Ian Field wrote:
> Does anyone know how much ripple/spike amplitude is acceptable on the outputs?
 
> Thanks for any help.
<http://formfactors.org/developer/specs/Power_Supply_Design_Guide_Desktop_Platform_Rev_1_2.pdf>(page23)
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX>
Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com>: Jun 07 01:40PM -0400

Is this problem too easy for you guys? I know I'm not up to the
level of most of you, but I'd appreciate some help?
 
 
I have a pair of computer speakers and the left? one, the one not
directly connected to the computer, makes no sound.
 
The wire must be good because its LED goes on. I finally got it apart
(it was glued together) and it has very few parts. The speaker
measures 4 ohms and all that leaves is the wires, the tiny pcb, the
LED and one 1000uF 16v cap. It seems that all the sound goes through
that, is that right? So it could be the problem that it's open.
 
How come a cap is needed? To protect the sound card? 4 ohms is not
enough to protect it? Speakers can short?
 
 
I replaced the good speaker with old NIB Jensens at least as big, but
I think the sound is worse with stereo speakers than it was with one
speaker. Maybe I'm imagining it, but if I fix the 2nd speaker I can
find out if I am or not. The old ones are Harmon Kardon and the
speaker is only 2 or 2 1/4" but the magnet is really heavy.
 
Thanks
Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Jun 07 02:06PM -0400

In article <dm1elbl741lprp9e3ke4phf1ln09g3t8il@4ax.com>,
NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com says...
> that, is that right? So it could be the problem that it's open.
 
> How come a cap is needed? To protect the sound card? 4 ohms is not
> enough to protect it? Speakers can short?
 
Some amplifiers have the output that must be above the DC ground so the
capaciotr is used to pass the audio but block the DC.
 
That is for the output there will sometims be two transistors sort of in
series between the plus and minus of the power supply. If you short or
have a low value of resistance such as the speaker from that point to
either the supply voltage or the ground it will blow the transistor, so
the capacitor is used.
 
You could have a bad capacitor, wires, or the amplifier is bad.
Jeroni Paul <JERONI.PAUL@terra.es>: Jun 07 03:23PM -0700

Correct, the sound goes through the capacitor. It seems the amplifier sends a DC voltage to light up the led together with the audio signal. So if the led shines the wire is fine and the sound may be lost.in the capacitor. Make sure you are sending an audio signal into the silent channel.
Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com>: Jun 07 08:10PM -0400

Combo answer to you and Ralph
 
On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 15:23:32 -0700 (PDT), Jeroni Paul
 
>Correct, the sound goes through the capacitor. It seems the amplifier sends a DC voltage to light up the led together with the audio signal. So if the led shines the wire is fine and the sound may be lost.in the capacitor.
 
Great. I'll replace it. Easy enough.
 
16volts 1000uF, I suppose the bag of caps in the basement for the last
30 years are too old to use???? If so I'll buy a new one.
 
> Make sure you are sending an audio signal into the silent channel.
 
The sound card has both channels because I changed speakers and sound
comes out of both now.
 
That still leaves the possibility that something about the first-pair
speaker that works broke and it didn't pass the sound on to the other
one. They use different channels of the same amplifier.
 
But it was hard** to open the speaker, so I'll do the cap first.
 
**A friend wanted just one speaker, to put in his kitchen, with a wire
through the wall from the next room -- Yes, I suggested wireless
speakers but he wasn't interested -- I don't know if the stereo issue
has occurred to him, but he insisted one speaker***. So I'm giving
him the one that works, and if I fix the other one, I'll offer it to
him too. Back to opening the speaker: took out the two screws in
the back, scraped off the label in back but couldn't find another.
Tried to take off the speaker grill but it wouldn't come. A couple
days later, tried harder and broke two of the 4 plastic pegs that held
it in. Then I see that those two were glued in. Maybe it was falling
off, or maybe they're glued in at the factory. So I really don't
want to mess with the speaker that's still working, esp. since he
wants only one.
 
***So whether he knows he needs it or not, I've been looking for
software that will play a webstream and convert stereo to monaural. I
found one or two, so to test, I dl'd an MP3 of a train going from left
to right and back again. Sadly, on my system even in stereo it
doesn't sound like stereo. I have to work on that!
 
Thanks, both of you.
Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com>: Jun 07 09:03PM -0400

On Tue, 07 Jun 2016 20:10:00 -0400, Micky
 
>Great. I'll replace it. Easy enough.
 
>16volts 1000uF, I suppose the bag of caps in the basement for the last
>30 years are too old to use???? If so I'll buy a new one.
 
Somewhat interesting stories here, including one guy who had never
soldered anything, but replaced 2 caps and made his tv work. He had
to buy a soldering iron. He watched videos first.
 
http://www.amazon.com/1000uf-Capacitor-High-Radial-Leads/product-reviews/B004O21PPE/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_hist_5?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=five_star&showViewpoints=0&pageNumber=1
whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>: Jun 07 01:19PM -0700

On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 2:59:25 PM UTC-7, Jon Elson wrote:
 
> I have a digital caliper that uses an MS76 cell. Seems to have the same
> problem, battery used to last well over a year, now it lasts a few weeks,
> maybe. I just take it out when not in use.
 
There are LR44 alkaline batteries,and silver batteries in the same size
designated SR44. And there's a dozen or so pseudonyms for each of the
types. MS76 is not in the short list here:
 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LR44_battery>
 
Most inexpensive calipers (mine, at least) that use these cells, are not
ever truly turned OFF. Pulling the battery out during idle time is a good
plan (until you damage the battery door).
 
To make matters worse, battery prices range from $5 to $0.05, and might not
be indicative of quality.
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avagadro7@gmail.com: Jun 07 09:46AM -0700

Hella horn for an intermittent alarm.
 
which pin is ground ?
 
how tell ?
 
is either pin grnd-pwr ?
 
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNrdTQBNCwsS1ZJ85A2oBzhzAWf7oZ1B-iTQkit
John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Jun 07 09:51AM -0700


> how tell ?
 
> is either pin grnd-pwr ?
 
> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNrdTQBNCwsS1ZJ85A2oBzhzAWf7oZ1B-iTQkit
 
No picture (bad link).
 
Usually alarm horns are polarized - perhaps one pin has a red dot
(positive)?
 
Or do a search online for that make and model, pretty good chance
someone has put up the info you need!
 
Like this:
 
https://www.hella.co.nz/en/products/accessories/horns/
 
John :-#)#
 
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"Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net>: Jun 06 06:20PM -0400

On 05/15/2016 05:39 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
 
> is compatible. I think you can take it from here.
 
> I still think your fan that doesn't spin is defective.
 
> 2:30AM. Maybe I should get some sleep...
 
I did satisfy myself that the non-spinning fan was in fact defective,
and the seller (in China) refunded my money for that one fan. And as far
as I could find out, the 3rd wire on the original Delta fans put out a
"spinning" signal.
 
I now have a couple of KDE1204PKV3-MS.AR.GN fans from a different vendor
(nothing against the first one, but he didn't have the "AR" ones), and
they spin just fine, but the fan LED is reddish with flashes of green
rather than steady green. I guess I'll just put up with that.
 
Perce
jennschaubel@gmail.com: Jun 06 12:28PM -0700

On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 at 4:08:19 PM UTC-4, SharpShooter wrote:
 
> I am unable to trace where/why the 5 volts from this board is NOT coming to the connector. There is another set of long connector on this main board which receives power from the power supply and that shows the relevant 12v and 5 v Dc at that point.
 
> So in short, the main-graphic board that also powers the dvd is not giving 5v dc output to the DVD player - which i believe also powers the switches - and thus the TV is perhaps frozen in standby mode ( I am not sure of that) No remote so I cannot take it out of the standby mode - also ALL the switches are non responsive.
 
> Any help will be appreciated.
 
Do you still have this TV or do you possibly have the base for it?
Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com>: Jun 06 01:09PM -0400

On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:55:09 +0200, Look165 <look165@numericable.fr>
wrote:
 
>Wires, alwayx wires.
 
>The indirect speaker is just a "passive" box with a speaker.
 
>Maybe speaker's winding is broken (still wire ! )
 
The speaker shows 4 ohms.
The LED on the (plastic) cabinet goes on, powered by the other
speaker.
The only other wires are the traces on the circuit board and 2"
wires that never move from the pcb to the speaker.
 
But if it's not possible for the capacitor to be causing this problem,
I'll look at the pcb and short wires too.
 
It's not my imagination, is it, that all the sound goes through the
1000uF cap?
 
The speakers were upstairs when I took the computer to the basement to
repair it, and they weren't used for a couple years.
 
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