Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jul 01 09:50AM -0700
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:51:45 -0500, Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com>
wrote:
>> shrugged.
>Karl Rove? Gee, this must be a REALLY old article!
>Jon
Karl Rove was Deputy Chief of Staff under GW Bush from 2001 - 2007.
Andrew Card was Chief of Staff during this period.
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Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jul 01 10:12AM -0700
>internetometer.
>I just watched the wires bulge as a cluster of electrons from September
>of 2014 finally made their way into my modem. :)
That's possible. The drift velocity of an electron through a copper
wire is not the speed of light, but rather about 80 cm/hr (0.20
mm/sec).
<https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-speed-of-electric-current>
Now, if you need something to worry about, please note that the worlds
supply of available white space is limited and finite. At the present
consumption rate, I predict that we will run out of white space very
soon when allthewordswillruntogether.
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Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com>: Jul 01 09:26PM
On Sat, 01 Jul 2017 00:53:40 -0400, oldschool wrote:
> message to delay leaving my computer for 30 million nano-light years,
> and the internet is operating at less than 4% on the world wide
> internetometer.
There is no shortage of electrons. Every single stinking electron I get
from the power company gets sent right back to them. Every fucking one.
I've counted them. Same for every other customer.
Yet they still charge me as if I'd used them up! It's a rip off.
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rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>: Jul 01 08:33PM -0400
Cursitor Doom wrote on 7/1/2017 5:26 PM:
> from the power company gets sent right back to them. Every fucking one.
> I've counted them. Same for every other customer.
> Yet they still charge me as if I'd used them up! It's a rip off.
You must have a rather poor power company. Mine only charges me for the
shipping and handling. I get the return shipping for free in fact, well,
"ground" shipping anyway. ;)
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Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jul 01 07:24PM -0700
On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 21:26:57 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
>from the power company gets sent right back to them. Every fucking one.
>I've counted them. Same for every other customer.
>Yet they still charge me as if I'd used them up! It's a rip off.
That can't be right. The power company sends you electrons at some
energy level. Your home appliances consume some of that energy.
Therefore, the electrons going back to the power company must have
less energy, which means they either move slower, or you're returning
fewer electrons. If you send back everything that you receive, where
is the energy needed to run your toys coming from? You should be able
to see a difference between what's going in and what's going out on
your electron counter (coulomb meter).
Note: This is 100% pure BS, but it sounds logical.
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John-Del <ohger1s@gmail.com>: Jul 01 10:30AM -0700
> For the small price, I am not gonna make a big deal out of it. I'll just
> have to order some properly made plugs from an American manufacturer,
> and use these worthless plugs for a conversation piece.
I've also seen them on X-Box headsets now that I think about it.
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John-Del <ohger1s@gmail.com>: Jul 01 10:51AM -0700
On Saturday, July 1, 2017 at 6:31:22 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> **"American manufacturer"? Don't tell me you've swallowed the Trump
> Kool-Aide?
Trump is NOT talking about replacing every imported item with a domestic one. That's the leftist media's binary spin on this: If Trump talks about reducing the trade deficit, then it means he wants to stop *all* imports and make everything domestically. Not happening - not his plan.
Americans don't have any problem buying German, British, Canadian, Swiss etc. imports as we know they aren't built strictly for price. While the Chinese are not genetically predisposed to making junk, a very large portion of Chinese sourced pieces/parts are indeed crap. There are however many good parts sourced from China, it's just not the norm from what I've seen. Japan had the same (deserved) reputation until they started making better quality stuff. Americans no longer have any problem buying a Japanese sourced component as we perceive them to be of higher quality that Chinese stuff.
> You guys really have to get over this 'inch' bullshit. Everyone on the
> planet, save a tiny 5% of the planetary population has embraced the
> Metric system. Hell, engineers and scientists in the US use it.
Americans (and I'm guessing the Brits) are "bilingual" when it comes to measurements (except the old guys like olds...@tubes.com!). We use both interchangeably and seamlessly. It's not an issue here.
OTOH, we call the plug in question 3.5mm as well. I didn't realize they're also referred to as 1/8 inch.
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rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>: Jul 01 02:32PM -0400
John-Del wrote on 7/1/2017 1:51 PM:
>> Kool-Aide?
> Trump is NOT talking about replacing every imported item with a domestic one. That's the leftist media's binary spin on this: If Trump talks about reducing the trade deficit, then it means he wants to stop *all* imports and make everything domestically. Not happening - not his plan.
> Americans don't have any problem buying German, British, Canadian, Swiss etc. imports as we know they aren't built strictly for price. While the Chinese are not genetically predisposed to making junk, a very large portion of Chinese sourced pieces/parts are indeed crap. There are however many good parts sourced from China, it's just not the norm from what I've seen.
I'll share with you a secret. If we didn't buy "crap" from China, they
wouldn't keep sending it!!! They only make what people buy, nothing more,
nothing less.
> Japan had the same (deserved) reputation until they started making better quality stuff. Americans no longer have any problem buying a Japanese sourced component as we perceive them to be of higher quality that Chinese stuff.
Many times we perceive Japanese goods to be superior to US made goods. I
seem to recall they nearly (or maybe did) bankrupt the US automakers at one
point, not to mention many other goods they seem to excel at making.
>> planet, save a tiny 5% of the planetary population has embraced the
>> Metric system. Hell, engineers and scientists in the US use it.
> Americans (and I'm guessing the Brits) are "bilingual" when it comes to measurements (except the old guys like olds...@tubes.com!). We use both interchangeably and seamlessly. It's not an issue here.
Hardly. *Some* engineers use both systems. I recall all of the mechanical
designs at a company I worked for were in inches. I asked about that one
time and they made is clear they had no reason to change.
The average guy on the street has no idea how large a gram is or a ml or a
mm or a hectare, even though they are printed on the sides of the things we
buy (well, maybe not the hectare).
> OTOH, we call the plug in question 3.5mm as well. I didn't realize they're also referred to as 1/8 inch.
They've been 1/8 inch since they appeared on the sides of Japanese
transistor radios in the 60's.
I'm actually surprised oldschool didn't spot the three way plug. They have
come in mono and stereo for a long time. I expect he can still use the
plugs he got as stereo plugs. He just needs to short together two sections.
I guess he'd have to figure out which two sections though.
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Rick C
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Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Jul 01 02:37PM -0400
In article <b2bbc031-f775-49d7-a936-55f18beb6f72@googlegroups.com>,
ohger1s@gmail.com says...
> On Saturday, July 1, 2017 at 6:31:22 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Trump is NOT talking about replacing every imported item with a domestic
one. That's the leftist media's binary spin on this: If Trump talks
about reducing the trade deficit, then it means he wants to stop *all*
imports and make everything domestically. Not happening - not his plan.
> Americans don't have any problem buying German, British, Canadian, Swiss etc. imports as we know they aren't built strictly for price. While the Chinese are not genetically predisposed to making junk, a very large portion of Chinese sourced pieces/parts are indeed crap. There are however many good parts sourced from China, it's just not the norm from what I've seen. Japan had the same (deserved) reputation
until they started making better quality stuff. Americans no longer have any problem buying a Japanese sourced component as we perceive them to be of higher quality that Chinese stuff.
I don't care where an item is made. I buy for quality, or at least what
I think is quality in my price range. Never could get an American car
to last. Started buying the Japan cars around 1980. Did buy a Ford in
1995 and it turned out that model was a piece of junk. Went back to the
Japan ones.
Around 1972 I took a tour of the local TV station. They had just gotten
in a few Japan Cameras about 6 months before and were bragging on them
and how they were going to get more as the money allowed for it.
China puts out lots of junk at junk prices. However I have found some
of their electronics to be every bit as good as the Japan ones that have
been highly rated for many years. Isn't China where many of the Apple
item are made ?
If the American companies would quit paying the higher ups in a company
large ammouts of money and put it into better quality I am sure lots of
jobs would come back to America. Really looks bad to go to a large
company and see a row of almost new high dollar cars for the wheels, and
the others old used cars for the workers.
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"jfeng@my-deja.com" <jfeng@my-deja.com>: Jul 01 12:15PM -0700
On Saturday, July 1, 2017 at 3:31:22 AM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> > and use these worthless plugs for a conversation piece.
> **"American manufacturer"? Don't tell me you've swallowed the Trump
> Kool-Aide?
By their actions, Donald and Ivanka clearly believe in the superiority of things made in China, since that is where their ties, shoes, and other things are manufactured. The Donald may promote American manufacturing, but that is as credible as anything else that comes out of his mouth.
He has all the honor of someone who stole the family crest of someone else (only modified by removing the Latin word "Integritas" and replacing it with "Trump"), and who tried to convince people that his self-created Time magazine cover was genuine. It is reasonable to assert that all the Trumpettes are just as truthful, honorable and honest.
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"jfeng@my-deja.com" <jfeng@my-deja.com>: Jul 01 12:28PM -0700
On Saturday, July 1, 2017 at 10:51:53 AM UTC-7, John-Del wrote:
> Americans don't have any problem buying German, British, Canadian, Swiss etc.
> imports as we know they aren't built strictly for price.
Despite NAFTA, Americans cannot easily purchase cheaper drugs from Canada because it would make it harder for the drug companies to raise their prices.
> Americans (and I'm guessing the Brits) are "bilingual" when it comes to
> measurements (except the old guys like olds...@tubes.com!). We use both
> interchangeably and seamlessly. It's not an issue here.
There are lots of stories about problems caused by confusion between metric and Imperial measures. Two that come to mind are the spy satellite that pointed up to the sky, and the Mars probe that crashed.
I think the UK is metricated. The older Imperial units appear when they are being deliberately nostalgic, like in historical dramas. The last I heard, Ireland (not a part of a UK) had an amusing mixture where speed limits were in mph and road distances were in km.
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Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Jul 01 03:43PM -0400
In article <oj8pjv$vro$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
> Americans (and I'm guessing the Brits) are "bilingual" when it comes
to measurements (except the old guys like olds...@tubes.com!). We use
both interchangeably and seamlessly. It's not an issue here.
> Hardly. *Some* engineers use both systems. I recall all of the mechanical
> designs at a company I worked for were in inches. I asked about that one
> time and they made is clear they had no reason to change.
My son had a Ford that those engineers must have designed. Some bolts
in inches and others were metric.
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Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Jul 01 03:49PM -0400
In article <oj8pjv$vro$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
> Many times we perceive Japanese goods to be superior to US made goods. I
> seem to recall they nearly (or maybe did) bankrupt the US automakers at one
> point, not to mention many other goods they seem to excel at making.
Japan did not almost put the American cars out of business, they did it
to their selves by making high priced junk.
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"Gareth Magennis" <soundserviceleeds@outlook.com>: Jul 01 10:44PM +0100
"John-Del" wrote in message
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On Saturday, July 1, 2017 at 6:31:22 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> **"American manufacturer"? Don't tell me you've swallowed the Trump
> Kool-Aide?
Trump is NOT talking about replacing every imported item with a domestic
one. That's the leftist media's binary spin on this: If Trump talks about
reducing the trade deficit, then it means he wants to stop *all* imports and
make everything domestically. Not happening - not his plan.
Americans don't have any problem buying German, British, Canadian, Swiss
etc. imports as we know they aren't built strictly for price. While the
Chinese are not genetically predisposed to making junk, a very large portion
of Chinese sourced pieces/parts are indeed crap. There are however many
good parts sourced from China, it's just not the norm from what I've seen.
Japan had the same (deserved) reputation until they started making better
quality stuff. Americans no longer have any problem buying a Japanese
sourced component as we perceive them to be of higher quality that Chinese
stuff.
> You guys really have to get over this 'inch' bullshit. Everyone on the
> planet, save a tiny 5% of the planetary population has embraced the
> Metric system. Hell, engineers and scientists in the US use it.
Americans (and I'm guessing the Brits) are "bilingual" when it comes to
measurements (except the old guys like olds...@tubes.com!). We use both
interchangeably and seamlessly. It's not an issue here.
OTOH, we call the plug in question 3.5mm as well. I didn't realize they're
also referred to as 1/8 inch.
**********************************************************************************
Us "Brits" tend to call a 1/4 inch jack plug a quarter inch jack plug, for
historical reasons.
The 3.5mm jack plug is a more recent addition to our language, and is called
a 3.5mm jack plug.
I have never heard it called an 1/8 inch plug.
The problem as I see it with the old style inches system is that it is in
discrete steps, whereas the Metric system is as accurate as you want it to
be.
I regularly measure things with metric Vernier calipers. This would give a
result of 3.5mm on a 3.5mm jack plug, perhaps 3.51 or whatever, if it wasn't
quite the right size.
3.5mm is somewhere between 1/8 inch and 9/64ths using the Imperial scale.
I think it is actually closer to 9/64ths.
I'm not sure how you can deal with this - why would you not just measure in
mm, rather than say it's a bit more than 1/8 but not quite 9/64ths?
Gareth.
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etpm@whidbey.com: Jul 01 03:06PM -0700
On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 14:37:41 -0400, Ralph Mowery
>jobs would come back to America. Really looks bad to go to a large
>company and see a row of almost new high dollar cars for the wheels, and
>the others old used cars for the workers.
This whole business of imported goods being junk has been going on for
a long time. When the USA was still a British colony all sorts of
goods were made here and exported to Britain. They were considered to
be of lesser quality than British made goods. And they mostly were.
This is because for the most part the goods were made to order. And
the British folks ordering the goods were mostly (I seem to have the
word "most" stuck in my head) interested in low prices. After the USA
was formed the cheap goods were still produced to order and most
(Gawd! there's that word again!) production was still owned by the
British. After the USA started to become industrialized certain
technolgies were prohibited from being exported to the USA from
Britain. Eventually the USA became industrialized, we developed our
own machine tools, the British lost control of our manufacturing, we
marketed our own stuff, and produced goods for internal as well as
external consumption, and quality improved greatly. Fast forward to
the period just after WW2 and the Japanese were in a similar
situation. Their country was devasted and they needed money. Many USA
companies started having cheap goods produced in Japan. These goods
weren't supposed to be of high quality, the USA buyers just wanted
cheap and the quality specs of the goods were lower than domestically
produced goods. But just like people everywhere in the world the
Japanese have the same intrinsic smarts and abilities and when they
could they started to produce their own stuff to their own desired
quality. The same thing happened with Taiwan. And Korea (Korea doing
to Japan what Japan did to us). Now China. India will probably be
next, at least when it comes to heavy industry. Machine tools made in
India are starting to come on the export market. As of now they are
not so good. But they are cheap. Computer controlled machine tools
from India still mostly have Japanese controls. But this will change
soon.
Eric
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Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com>: Jul 01 07:14PM -0500
> That was a mistake. They are NOT stereo, they are THREE CHANNEL. The tip
> of the plug has THREE contacts, (plus the grounded base). What the heck
> are they for? I have never seen any 3 prong 1/8" jacks on anything.
They are for cell phone headsets and other connections to a phone (like a
car). Left and right audio out, and microphone. Blame Apple.
Jon
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"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien1@virginmedia.com>: Jul 01 07:29PM +0100
<pfjw@aol.com> wrote in message
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> other stuff), but we do not intend to dim those.
> NOTE: some cheap LED lamps are very noisy in the RF range. VERY noisy,
> approaching that of an unshielded ignition transformer (oil burner).
Most of the cheap LED bulbs I've cracked open were wattless dropper - they
absorb a small amount of mains borne crap.
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"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien1@virginmedia.com>: Jul 01 07:32PM +0100
"John-Del" <ohger1s@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Okay, that's two that think they're right and General Electric is wrong.
> Not sure if that constitutes a consensus or not...
> Hehehe......
AFAIK: GE are still making jet engines - I think it was probably
Westinghouse that had to give it up as a bad job.
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"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien1@virginmedia.com>: Jul 01 07:38PM +0100
<pfjw@aol.com> wrote in message
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> The rest have no opinion.
> And the US is by no means any different than the rest of the world in its
> beliefs.
In the late 30s - the only Americans that GAF about the European war; wanted
to join the Axis.
The Jap attack on pearl just after Japan became the 3rd member of the Axis
is the only thing that changed their mind.
Just before that; America was doing military excercises in preparation for
an attack on parts of the British Empire.
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"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien1@virginmedia.com>: Jul 01 07:40PM +0100
<tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Over to you...........
>> .... Phil
> Sometimes I'm not sure which planet you're from.
There's ongoing debate as to whether it even has a
sky...........................
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"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien1@virginmedia.com>: Jul 01 07:46PM +0100
<tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Component procurement in what I do is however utterly different to how
> probably all of you get parts, and I suspect a large misunderstanding to
> have arisen from that.
Counterfeiting is less jail time than drug running - electronic component
isn't the only thing affected.
Pharmaceuticals, cosmetics, fashion, electronics - I can't think of anything
that isn't.
A few years back; a reputable supplier got lumbered with hundreds of
thousands of state of the art CPUs that turned out to be all package and no
silicon.
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tabbypurr@gmail.com: Jul 01 03:09PM -0700
On Saturday, 1 July 2017 04:00:50 UTC+1, Phil Allison wrote:
> > I see you're being more idiot than I expected.
> ** Yet again you have posted something completely mysterious about purchasing components. Doing that does not make you sound one bit clever, rather it does the exact opposite.
> Makes YOU look a real idiot.
Boy you love to spout on matters you truly know jack about.
Jim is right about you, I won't waste time explaining what I said.
> FYI:
> Luckily for you, Google does not seem to have the previous SED thread available.
Lol. My best guess is you made some bonkers accusations and I didn't waste any time discussing them with you. You are, some of the time, truly a loony. This notion of yours that I'm some master criminal is one more piece of your lunacy. And I have zero interest in what your reply is. Good bye, rejoin the nutjob filter. I really should leave you there.
NT
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