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micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com>: Oct 02 11:59PM -0400

My new used car from 2005 has a CD that will not play an MP3 CD, but I
can buy an adapter that will add an AUX input and a USB input to the
radio. (Since the radio has a CD changer jack that is not in use, and
this is designed for that shape of jack.)
 
Long after I ordered one for $18, it suddenly dawned on me that if it
can't play an MP3 CD, it won't be able to play an MP3 file from a
USB-connected flashdrive. That's true, is it not????
 
 
It's amazing how long it took me to think of this problem, at least a
week.
Mike Coon <gravity@mjcoon.plus.com>: Oct 03 09:04AM +0100

In article <ue26tct6hkm8nu0mafhdfdi73e55la8ojc@4ax.com>, NONONOmisc07
@bigfoot.com says...
> USB-connected flashdrive. That's true, is it not????
 
> It's amazing how long it took me to think of this problem, at least a
> week.
 
I'd say it depends on the capabilities of this mysterious "adaptor".
What does it claim?
 
Mike.
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>: Oct 03 12:01PM +0100

micky wrote:
 
> Long after I ordered one for $18, it suddenly dawned on me that if it
> can't play an MP3 CD, it won't be able to play an MP3 file from a
> USB-connected flashdrive.
 
The car radio won't see a USB device, it'll see an aux level analogue
input, hopefully the $18 device acts as an MP3 player with e.g. 1/8"
jack analogue output?
 
Got a link?
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>: Oct 03 12:03PM +0100

Andy Burns wrote:
 
> Got a link?
 
Is it the "iTrip" equivalent you linked to up ^^^ there somewhere?
 
in which case you tune the radio's FM to the device, and the device acts
as a very small range transmitter.
Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com>: Oct 03 09:02AM -0500

In article <ue26tct6hkm8nu0mafhdfdi73e55la8ojc@4ax.com>,
> USB-connected flashdrive. That's true, is it not????
 
> It's amazing how long it took me to think of this problem, at least a
> week.
 
Unless your radio is used to control a number of features on the car
(such as in a VW, which yours isn't, since in 2005 VW CD players played
MP3s) then I'd go to someplace like crutchfield.com and buy a new radio
and spend the hour or so to put it in. (been there, done that). There's
probably even a video on youtube for your make and model of car showing
just how to do it.
 
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bruce2bowser@gmail.com: Oct 03 09:14AM -0700

> USB-connected flashdrive. That's true, is it not????
 
> It's amazing how long it took me to think of this problem, at least a
> week.
 
Staying in touch with a particular phone operator at your provider's help desk is key. MP3 players (and now the cloud) sometimes don't do what they're not specifically programmed to do and help desks can go over that with you.
If you don't want to ask your phone or device service provider what kind of car radio you should have in your car, then you could always go to the junkyard and into a ruined car and take out a radio system that may still be good.
Roy Tremblay <rmblayrrroy@nlnet.nl>: Oct 03 10:43AM


> However, even these two relatively weak 14dBi and 18dBi antennas can still
> go for miles line of sight under the right conditions on the other side.
> <https://s26.postimg.org/jbamhcg6h/00eradio.jpg>
 
Update for Jeff and Rod:
 
Using that bullet and planar antenna above, I finally got around to
physically mounting the Ubiquiti Bullet M2HP connected to a 14dBi planar
antenna outside on a pole stuck into the leftover hole from an ancient
15-foot wide satellite dish which was removed long ago.
<https://s26.postimg.org/jbamhcg6h/00eradio.jpg>
 
Here are some LOS Android-based received-signal-strength measurements for
Jeff Liebermann and Rod Speed where I set up *exactly* what Rod Speed wants
to accomplish.
<https://s1.postimg.org/7za88bam6n/wifi.jpg>
 
Those measurements are roughly at about 300 feet LOS (-50dBm to -60dBm) and
at about 100 feet LOS (-35dBm to -40dBm) distance from the radio which is
wired to the SOHO router and set up as an "access point" (which is what Rod
wants to do).
LenovoLap <LenovoLap@LenovoLap.com>: Oct 02 03:09PM -0700

On a few occasions when I start my Lenovo T500 laptop the keyboard is
unresponsive. With all the Lenovo features, is there some keyboard
lock/unlock that I can use?
 
The usb mouse works and I can run apps etc.
 
Is this a know problem.
 
This laptop is new to me.
Running Win XP Pro SP3.
Mike S <mscir@yahoo.com>: Oct 02 04:01PM -0700

On 10/2/2017 3:09 PM, LenovoLap wrote:
 
> Is this a know problem.
 
> This laptop is new to me.
> Running Win XP Pro SP3.
 
Does an external keyboard work while the laptop kbd doesn't? If so you
might try reseating the flex cable for it.
 
If you boot a Linux Live CD does the kbd work normally? If so it may be
a driver problem.
 
How long has this been happening? Was liquid spilled on the kbd?
LenovoLap <LenovoLap@LenovoLap.com>: Oct 02 04:13PM -0700

never have a USB kbd where I am on travel.
 
Happened maybe 3 times out of 50.
 
never spilled on it.
 
when it works (most of the time) is works perfectly.
 
keys all feel perfect too.
 
I cannot replicate the problem, it happens when it happens.
 
 
Mike S wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>: Oct 02 09:08PM -0400


>> If you boot a Linux Live CD does the kbd work normally? If so it may be
>> a driver problem.
 
>> How long has this been happening? Was liquid spilled on the kbd?
 
LenovoLap wrote:
 
> when it works (most of the time) is works perfectly.
 
> keys all feel perfect too.
 
> I cannot replicate the problem, it happens when it happens.
 
Does the laptop battery last the normal amount of time ?
 
Maybe the keyboard is drawing too much current and
the Polyfuse is opening on it. Perhaps you could
leave your shift-lock engaged from session to session,
and see if the LED is dead when the machine starts
without the keyboard running.
 
There has to be some way to monitor that the keyboard
is getting power. I use my shift-lock LED for that,
but maybe you can think of another way.
 
And taking it apart, doesn't look like that much fun.
I don't like connectors I'm "forced to lift with a spudger".
 
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Lenovo+ThinkPad+T500+Keyboard+Replacement/41037
 
Paul
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>: Oct 03 01:05AM -0500

LenovoLap wrote:
 
> never have a USB kbd where I am on travel.
 
Unimportant when performing troubleshooting. You are at home. So is
your laptop, so your laptop is not currently travelling. While you and
your laptop are at home, attach a USB keyboard to the laptop and retest.
 
> Happened maybe 3 times out of 50.
 
You shotgunned to multiple OS newsgroups yet it is highly unlikely that
your laptop can run all those OSes. If the problem keeps happening but
so erratically, take along a USB keyboard to test when the problem does
arise. There are rollup keyboards so they won't occupy much space in
the laptop bag, and some are damn cheap, like $8:
 
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1NV53H4201
 
> never spilled on it.
 
Have you turned it upside down and use canned air to blow out any debris
that has accumulated under the keys?
 
> when it works (most of the time) is works perfectly.
 
Something else to try when the problem arises: boot Windows (whatever
version you have on the laptop) into its safe mode. That loads the
drivers and only the necessary (critical) services. Startup programs do
not get loaded which could be the cause of your problem.
 
> keys all feel perfect too.
> I cannot replicate the problem, it happens when it happens.
 
You said the keyboard is sometimes unresponsive but the USB mouse still
works. How about the touchpad on the laptop? Does that still work when
the keyboard becomes unresponsive? Test the touchpad, too, next time.
 
Since the mouse still works, and when the keyboard becomes unresponsive,
go into Device Manager (devmgmt.msc) and check if the keyboard is listed
and if there is no yellow exclamation mark for it.
 
"new to me" doesn't really say the laptop itself is new. Could be you
got a used or hand-me-down laptop. Talked to the prior owner yet?
Maybe that's why they got rid of it. If it was given to you the donor
probably won't hide an existing fault with the hardware. If it was sold
to you, a seller that won't respond could mean they knew about the
existing hardware problem.
 
The Thinkpad T500 came out in July 2008. I did not bother to check if
any [respectable] e-tailer is still selling *new* units (i.e., not used,
not refurbished). I see online retailers selling parts for the T500 but
not selling the T500 itself.
micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com>: Oct 03 12:14AM -0400

In sci.electronics.repair, on Sat, 23 Sep 2017 22:50:26 -0400, micky
 
>>Forget the input jack and use FM wireless. Search Ebay.
 
>Do you mean something like this:
 
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-Music-to-Car-Radio-FM-Transmitter-For-3-5mm-MP3-iPod-iPhone-Tablets-US-/172506628087?hash=item282a323ff7:g:6qoAAOSwImRYjlrj
 
Yes, I'm sure you do. I bought it. And I've tested it in the car with
a little MP3 player and it works well afaict so far. Now to load up the
MP3 player before my trip in November.
 
>Or this one is ridiculously cheap
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/381848425256?chn=ps&dispItem=1 ? this
 
I think for $3 I'll buy another one, for when I break the first one.
 
>>The outgoing sounds are muffled, distorted, and hard to understand.
>>However, if you want to send music from your ipod to the vehicle
>>audio it works well enough.
 
Very interesting. I have one that plugs into the cig lighter, but I've
only made one call and, at my request, received one call. I was able to
talk and drive that time, because of the route, but I'm not sure I could
other times.
 
micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com>: Oct 03 12:17AM -0400

In sci.electronics.repair, on Sat, 23 Sep 2017 23:37:31 -0500, Paul in
>> came back! He said it broke after a month. ;-)
 
>What is a "flashdrive"?
>If it is a usb stick
 
Yes, that's it.
 
>My son had one in his last car but I don't know which brand.
>It worked pretty good.
 
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bluetooth-Wireless-Car-Aux-Stereo-Usb-Charger-Audio-Receiver-Fm-Radio-Sd-Adapter/382234256138?_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIM.MBE&ao=2&asc=47507&meid=48182c1016f24b978496634f4e4d0ba8&pid=100623&rk=2&rkt=6&sd=192247227744&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1
 
It's amazing that they have a remote control for a car. Maybe the
people in the back seat will use it.
 
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bluetooth-Wireless-Car-AUX-Stereo-Audio-Receiver-FM-Radio-Adapter-USB-Charger-SD-/192247227744?epid=21003076227&hash=item2cc2d3e560:g:TeIAAOSw~e5ZQEdu
 
Thanks.
tschw10117@gmail.com: Oct 02 09:54AM -0700

The same schematic is available on BAMA for free.
 
Terry
Foxs Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Oct 02 06:55PM -0500

> The same schematic is available on BAMA for free.
 
<http://bama.edebris.com/download/monsanto/100B-101B/Monsanto%20100B-101B%20Sch.pdf>
 
That's the 100B 101B that I mentioned.
 
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Foxs Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Oct 01 12:31PM -0500

On 10/1/2017 5:37 AM, N_Cook wrote:
>> small amount so be it.
 
>> Please post any leads here thanks
 
> Have you misread an inventory label as a maker's label?
 
Monsanto made a 100C counter/timer.
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/201883000786>
 
Here's a manual for the 100B / 101B which look similar.
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/141910795622>
although $25 + $13.95 shipping sounds a bit harsh.
 
--
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tschw10117@gmail.com: Oct 02 07:27AM -0700

> Looking for one myself. Free PDF preferred but if I have to pay a small amount so be it.
 
> Please post any leads here thanks
 
Place your inquiry over on the google neonixie-l group. Someone there will have it.
 
Terry
Chuck <chuck@mydeja.net>: Oct 02 08:52AM -0500

On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 05:23:32 -0700 (PDT), "pfjw@aol.com"
 
>Otherwise the appearance of idiocy you seem to cultivate so carefully may, in fact, be your reality. That would be sad.
 
>Peter Wieck
>Melrose Park, PA
 
I agree with everything you say except for nuvistor reliability. We
were constantly replacing them in RCA tuners back in the early 70s.
 
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"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Oct 02 06:58AM -0700

On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 9:52:23 AM UTC-4, Chuck wrote:
 
 
> I agree with everything you say except for nuvistor reliability. We
> were constantly replacing them in RCA tuners back in the early 70s.
 
Agreed that the very earliest did suffer from poor QC. But after a pretty short shakedown, they became exceedingly reliable. The biggest problem with them was either a poor vacuum (no getters, no way to draw out air by individual tube) or loss of vacuum. As the technology progressed, these were solved to the point that were they as inexpensive as contemporary transistors, they may have survived in volume production to this day. They were very costly as compared to solid-state devices, however.
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
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cnkay1@gmail.com: Sep 30 05:57PM -0700

Looking for one myself. Free PDF preferred but if I have to pay a small amount so be it.
 
Please post any leads here thanks
N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Oct 01 11:37AM +0100

> Looking for one myself. Free PDF preferred but if I have to pay a small amount so be it.
 
> Please post any leads here thanks
 
Have you misread an inventory label as a maker's label?
Allodoxaphobia <knock_yourself_out@example.net>: Sep 30 08:47PM

On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 09:43:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
 
> The supply of white space is limited and in danger of extinction.
> When we run out of white space, allthewordswillruntogether.
 
Entropy's effect would seem to create just the opposite -- whitespace
ever expanding until e v e n l e t t e r s w i l l b e
t o o f a r a p a r t t o
r e l a t e t o e a c h
o t h e r .
 
Jonesy
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Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Sep 30 02:13PM -0700

On 30 Sep 2017 20:47:43 GMT, Allodoxaphobia
>r e l a t e t o e a c h
>o t h e r .
 
>Jonesy
 
That's not entropy, which is the tendency for all attempts to organize
this newsgroup to turn into randomized rubbish. It's also not the
expansion of the universe, which would increase the font size along
with the inter-character spacing. After all the great ideas are
eliminated, whatever is left, no matter how dumb, must be the cause.
In this case, it's caused by authors being paid by the page. In the
distant past, authors were paid by the word. This resulted in
numerous abrevs, contractions, and hypenations to increase the word
count.
 
However, it was tedious to count words. So, publishers changed to
counting pages instead. That changed the style sheet to gigantic
fonts, absurdly wide margins, margin notes, double and triple spaced
lines, two spaces between sentences, a heading on every page, and
footnotes that nobody reads. What's important is that the tool to
make all this happen is the white space character. Prior to these
changes, the worlds supply of white space was adequate for all forms
of publication. Afterwards, the supply of white space began to
diminish. That happened to me, when I pressed the space bar, and
nothing happened. I quickly inserted a flash drive full of empty
space, which allowed me to continue writing. However, that's only
temporary as AGW alarmists are already proclaiming impending doom.
Little wonder that NASA is trying to resurrect the space program, so
that we can replenish our supply of white space from outer space.
 
Unfortunately, I do not have an answer to the white space depletion
problem. Conservation is only a temporary measure. Eventually, we
will run out of white space resulting in the implosion of all written
text and the rationing of white space. It might be possible to use
black paper and white printing because unlike the supply of white
space, there's plenty of black space available inside the nearest
black hole.
 
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Mike Coon <gravity@mjcoon.plus.com>: Oct 01 12:11AM +0100

In article <8u00tctv79ojubncfvg902lfdqmrjts1nq@4ax.com>,
jeffl@cruzio.com says...
> distant past, authors were paid by the word. This resulted in
> numerous abrevs, contractions, and hypenations to increase the word
> count.
 
That reminds me of my invention of logarithmically-lined paper because
there is always just a few extra lines of writing which (when we used to
do long-hand) just needed to be fitted in to that last page...
 
Mike.
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>: Sep 30 08:38PM -0400

Mike Coon wrote on 9/30/2017 7:11 PM:
 
> That reminds me of my invention of logarithmically-lined paper because
> there is always just a few extra lines of writing which (when we used to
> do long-hand) just needed to be fitted in to that last page...
 
That one was pretty good! You should get that patented. lol
 
--
 
Rick C
 
Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms,
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Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Sep 30 07:22PM -0700

>>> a food storage container with a seal ring commonly available in stores.
>>> Just a data point for what it is worth.
 
>> Nothing sticks to polythene.
 
That should be poly-mumble-ene.
 
>Are you in the UK? Is that what we call polyethylene? How does it happen
>that we end up with different names for things like common plastic?
 
There are naming standards for chemicals and compounds which I believe
includes plastics. Chemists are amazingly human (and childish) in
their naming of various compounds. There are enough examples to fill
a Wikipedia article:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chemical_compounds_with_unusual_names>
 
Should you ever be in a position to assign a name, please resist the
temptation to be excessively clever. I didn't. Because I had one
foot in engineering and the other in marketing, I was honored with the
task of assigning a model number of a marine radio that I helped
design. Most of the other radios followed the pattern COM1, COM3,
COM21, etc (this was before the IBM PC serial ports used the same
designation). Without the slightest hesitation, I proclaimed that
COM1C will be the next model number. It was about a week before
anyone noticed the obvious. I soon became a candidate for immediate
execution by those who had to rewrite the product releases and hastily
retrieve those had been mailed.
 
 
 
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Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Sep 30 07:37PM -0700

On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 19:22:29 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
 
>There are naming standards for chemicals and compounds which I believe
>includes plastics.
 
Polyethylene isn't the only plastic with some naming confusion. See
table 2:
<https://books.google.com/books?id=wmohBQAAQBAJ&pg=PR26>
 
 
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