- Covid-19 personal protection ideas, and related - 6 Updates
| Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Mar 19 12:52PM -0500 And then, you have this. Where I live, I'm surrounded by fuckwits that think that since they believe in Jesus, they're immune to this stuff. So they refuse to do anything to prevent the spread of the disease. Because, you know, it only affect heathens. I hope they all get bone cancer. -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
| Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid>: Mar 19 08:47PM > OK, Guys and Gals - time to put a few facts on the table, if you will have them: Facts? Let's have some links to what you are stating. Surely that's not too much to ask. > a) Nothing short of total isolation will stop COVID19, and then only if that total isolation extends for considerably more than the two-week incubation period. Times bandied about by 'the experts' are long enough to push up against the vaccine development time-line. Even total isolation won't stop COVID-19 if there are asymptomatic carriers. Unless, of course, you are proposing we live out the rest of our time as hermits. So your argument is nonsense as well as spurious. See my reply to (c). > b) Social isolation, hand santizers and any other palliative measures are not intended to stop the virus, but only to flatten the infection curve such that the health systems are able to cope with it. I suppose a posting full of junk will have one correct statement in it. > c) Nothing short of an effective vaccine will actually 'stop' the disease, and that is no less than a year away Bullshit. There are many compounds, already used as medicinal agents in other conditions, which in early testing appear to have antiviral efficacy against coronavirus. It's about time medical science grabbed the bull by the horns and started throwing every compound we have against viruses which have no vaccine, while we try to develop one. Don't forget that there is no usefully effective vaccine against HIV, but the virus has been rendered much less of a threat by a mixture of antiviral chemicals. We really should be doing this with new viruses which appear out of the blue, and perhaps with all viruses which might be considered a threat to human health in future. A vaccine is a year away; we should therefore try anything which can treat this virus while we are waiting for it. > d) There are anti-virals, but unlike antibiotics, they are not very effective and come with lots of baggage (side-effects). See above. If you are dying from Covid-19, side-effects are the least of your worries. And how do you know they are "not very effective" if they have yet to be tested in a properly run trial? > e) The virus is able to live for hours to weeks on ordinary clothing, ordinary surfaces and so forth. It is able to live as an airborne virus for a bit longer depending on ambient conditions. NOTE: "Weeks" is speculative, with the longest absolutely proven survival being ~80 hours to-date. Please do not time it with a stop-watch and think that one is safe 'just because' some period of time went by. Weeks? Stop spreading FUD. "New coronavirus stable for hours on surfaces" <https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/new-coronavirus-stable-hours-surfaces> At worse, it was a few days: "The scientists found that severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was detectable in aerosols for up to three hours, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel." > f) Which brings us to masks and goggles. Against "sneezed droplets", has been suggested. Said "sneezed droplets" can (and will) still get onto the wearer of these devices, including clothing, ears, hair, and so forth. If you are wearing a mask and cough, most of the particles will be caught by the mask. If you have no mask, see comment under (g) to get an idea of how many particles could be spread. As I pointed out in my first reply, particles of the size in (g) will get caught by a good mask. People need to be shown how to use a decent (N95) mask, although anything is better than nothing at helping stop spreading particles. > g) These "sneezed droplets" will still get onto shoes, surfaces remain as micro particles in the air, become bound to dust, and so forth. We are talking about coughing, not sneezing, with COVID-19. There appears to be some difference between them in dissemination of droplets: "Published data have suggested that sneezing may produce as many as 40 000 droplets between 0.5–12 μm in diameter that may be expelled at speeds up to 100 m/s, whereas coughing may produce up to 3000 droplet nuclei, about the same number as talking for five minutes. Despite the variety in size, large droplets comprise most of the total volume of expelled respiratory droplets. Further data on the behaviour of droplet dispersion in naturally generated aerosols are needed." <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK143281//> Note: "Despite the variety in size, *large droplets* (my emphasis) comprise most of the total volume of expelled respiratory droplets." I could not find a reasonable reference to the time expelled particles stay suspended in air. > So, unless one undresses into a laundry bag on one outside stoop, wears sanitizer-saturated booties and gloves on the way to an immediate shower when home, "and so forth", those masks and goggles are about as effective as nailing Jell-O. Some material may remain on the board, but most of it does not. Nonsense. A typical flippant response from a troll. I've provided a link to an good source on the use of masks (WHO) Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, and Children of All Ages - this is the first time mankind has been confronted with a dangerous disease with a long (and silent) incubation period, a relatively high infection rate *together* with a great deal more understanding of how infections work. Every response created prior to COVID19 is instantaneously obsolete - as just a glance out a window, or 5 minutes listening to the news will make clear More flippant trolling for a very serious subject. > Try not to give bad advice conveying a false sense of security or effectiveness. Worst of all, if you believe it yourself and are giving it sincerely. Ignorance is curable, stupidity is not. Learn something before opining. Please. You should try following your own advice, troll. I have provided references from recognised sources. Where are yours? -- Jeff |
| Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid>: Mar 19 08:52PM > https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-myths.html You sure know how to find the best links (not...). I'd already commented about this website in my first reply to you. I urge those who think this troll knows what he is talking about to look through the list of staff here <https://www.livescience.com/62824-about-us.html> and see how many of these "medical" experts are qualified to write about "virus myths". -- Jeff |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <peterwieck33@gmail.com>: Mar 19 06:30PM -0700 Common sense isn't. One cannot fix stupid. Jeff, thank you for setting such a clear example as one who is entirely unencumbered by the thought process. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA. |
| Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid>: Mar 20 10:44AM > Common sense isn't. > One cannot fix stupid. > Jeff, thank you for setting such a clear example as one who is entirely unencumbered by the thought process. You could learn something here: <https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56> But you won't, because you are a troll. I'm not wasting my time on you any longer. Killfiled (well, you get the prize - the booby prize, that is - as the first person I've killfiled in this NG) -- Jeff |
| legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>: Mar 20 09:37AM -0400 On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 07:54:26 -0000 (UTC), gregz <zekor@comcast.net> wrote: <snip> >A mask helps prevent you from touching your mouth area with finger. Check out 3D printing of face masks. These are design files developed by health care professionals, to include eye shields. Cooperative computing at its finest. RL |
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