Digest for sci.electronics.repair@googlegroups.com - 5 updates in 2 topics

Rob <nomail@example.com>: Jul 20 10:52PM +0200

> is that I had to do the work on site instead of my former office.
> Another is where the speaker cables were installed without a service
> loop.
 
But those are faults in the installation, failure to follow procedures.
That is different from faults in the DESIGN of the connectors!
 
Jack plugs fail even when they are installed correctly. Everone
knows bad contacts with jack plugs, and the procedure to recover
good contact. With RCA Phono plugs, about the same thing.
 
You will not have seen those issues with XLR or SpeakON.
Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>: Jul 21 09:20AM +1000

On 20/7/21 12:44 pm, David Farber wrote:
 
> Hi Jeff,
 
> Thanks for the links. I was able to solder the rivet to the tip and now
> the connection is solid. By the way, the cable is about 8mm in diameter.
 
Solder is very poor as a mechanical coupling. You should at least tape
it thoroughly to avoid rotational forces reaching the solder joint, it
it will fail again. BTDT!
 
CH
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>: Jul 20 04:59PM -0700

Rob wrote:
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> knows bad contacts with jack plugs, and the procedure to recover
> good contact. With RCA Phono plugs, about the same thing.
 
> You will not have seen those issues with XLR or SpeakON.
 
** Dodgy 1/4 inch jack connections sure are very common - mostly due to damage or corrosion of the female part on equipment.
Nickel plate wears off and corrodes, plastic frame jack sockets break apart if cables get yanked hard.
 
But XLR and Speakon type connections are not immune - I often see ones that do not work any more.
Cos there good ones and *bad* ones, famous brand examples being the former and cheap knock offs the latter.
 
I have seen examples where near new Speakon style 4 pin plugs failed to connect to perfectly good sockets.
Also, Speakons of all kinds will snap in half if the cable is yanked hard at right angles or is otherwise impacted.
 
Plastic body XLR panel females are good only for so long - then become damaged, intermittent and hard to fix.
 
You get what you pay for and connectors subjected to regular heavy use *need* to be the more expensive types.

 
...... Phil
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>: Jul 21 08:01AM -0400

On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 09:30:08 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
 
>with the design of these connectors, the aviation headset industry
>would have switched to something better long ago.
><https://www.google.com/search?q=PJ-055&tbm=isch>
 
If ever you've come across original phone jacks from before ~1960,
you've seen hardware that still works into its 7th+ decade.
These incorporated ring terminals and threaded machine screws
with lock washers, internally.
 
You can make anything in a shoddy manner. Price rules.
 
Largest source of failure in current product - even moulded
assemblies, involves lousy strain relief and physical manhandling.
 
RL
bruce bowser <bruce2bowser@gmail.com>: Jul 20 01:54PM -0700

On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 12:49:20 PM UTC-4, Peter W. wrote:
 
> With these in mind:
 
> Plug them in, and let them rip. Should a circuit breaker blow, you will know what is shared. Remove those shared items and start over. If both units happen to be on the same circuit, use only one (1) at a time.
 
> Ideally any AC line should be (at least) a dedicated 20A circuit using (at least) 12-gauge wire. Then there would be no discussion. If this is a rental, I feel her pain. If this is owned, install the dedicated circuits as-needed. They will not go to waste.
 
A 20A circuit max rather than a a 15A circuit max on a 240AC residential hook up.
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