| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>: Jan 19 11:01AM +1100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 02:37:33 +1100, Peter > Didn't the conversation recently happen that rain water (now that "acid > rain" is no longer a thing, thanks to the EPA), is just as good as > distilled water nowadays? No its not, because its impossible to collect rain water that has come off the roof without some dirt and stuff like bird shit and leaves from the roof, quite apart from what happens to it sitting in your tank between when it came off the roof and you get some to add to your battery. > acid rain is pH 5.5 or lower by EPA definition someone found out), but a > bit of weak carbonic acid (from the dissolved carbon dioxide) won't hurt > the strong sulfuric acid in a lead:acid battery, will it? The problem is the lead carbonate. Not enough to matter tho. > I'm guessing that rain water nowadays, unless you live within a few miles > of a volcano (and you don't) or a coal-fired power plant (and you don't), > is pretty damn close to distilled water in most parts of the country. Nope, because of whats on the roof and in the gutters dirt and bird shit wise. > Sure rain water will have a bit of "something here" and "something there" > based on the dissolved gases in the atmosphere, but so will any bottle of > distilled water that has ever been open to the exact same atmosphere. The difference is that the distilled water hasnt fallen thru thousands of feet of air in small droplets. > that as you can't see any when you collect it outside and even if there > were, a coffee filter would filter them out just fine (and who says store > bought distilled water doesn't have particles?). Doesnt help with the solubles. > Sure, both might have particles, but I can't imagine they could matter > given how few there would be if you can't even see them with your eyes. You can't see solubles. > But I don't know. That's obvious. > me), then that person should set me straight before I go on with this > line > of reasoning. Wouldn't dream of doing that. You might burst into tears and that would be rather embarrasijng and someone might claim I have breached community standards. |
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>: Jan 19 11:04AM +1100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 02:41:48 +1100, Mighty✅ Wannabe✅ <.> wrote: > I can think of a simple way. Connect jump cable clamps to the car > battery terminals and then carefully loosen and lift the terminals from > the old battery. Trouble with that approach is that you can't usually connect the thick battery leads to the new battery until the new batter is where the old battery still is. |
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>: Jan 19 11:13AM +1100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 02:50:24 +1100, Peter >> remove, and distilled water is cheap and easy to get. > It's a car battery. It's not a silicon based integrated circuit. > Water is water. To a certain degree it's all the same thing. Fraid not. > I don't know the answer for sure, That's obvious. > but I would reason out that almost all > tap water will be just fine in a car battery Some tap water is quite hard and produces lots of scales in an electric jug over time. > chlorine (or chloramines?) that they put in them might affect the > lead:acid > chemistry. That doesn't. > They add fluorine too I think, Fluoride, not flourine. > and there might be a decent amount of > calcium carbonates Yes, with hard water. > and metallic ions such as copper and phosphorous. Not normally enough to matter. But some still have water from wells for their tap water. > I'm guessing that the minute amount of such things (having owned a pool, > I'm aware they're in the PPM range, and PPB for phosphorous) in a car > battery designed to last five years, won't make one bit of difference. Particularly as most don't add water to their car battery anymore with sealed batterys. > calcium hardness due to calcium salts would range a bit higher, maybe > double (depending, of course, on the amount of old shallow seas in your > area fifty to two hundred million years ago). And how much limestone there is. Lots in some places. > so is tap water - so since they're all dirt cheap, may as well use the > rain > water. Or distilled water given that its cheap and you dont use much. > Overall, does ANYONE have ANY real data that tap water actually degrades > a > car batter enough for someone to actually measure the results in 5 years? The battery manufacturers do. |
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>: Jan 19 11:17AM +1100 Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote > Has anyone wondered whether the "pure" water will be "leaching" out the > chemistry of the lead:acid plates inside the battery? It doesn't leach out of the plates, its boiled off when the battery is still charged when it has been fully charged already. > Having owned a pool, all water chemistry tends toward equilibrium, That's wrong too. > and > dissolved salts (metal and a non metal) are no exception to the rule. There is no equilibrium involved. You presumably mean that the dissolved stuff spread thruout the pool. > So the more pure the water, the more it will dissolve a bit of that > lead:acid compound that they slather on the plates between rubber sheets. Utterly mangled all over again. Lead doesnt dissolve in water enough to matter. > Has anyone thought of that? Corse the designers of car batterys have. |
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>: Jan 19 11:21AM +1100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 03:09:25 +1100, Peter > know this for a fact that some are sheisters who can't be trusted. > Back to this topic, how do you know that the "pure" water isn't leaching > out all the good paste on the plates, now that it's devoid of ions? Trivial to test that by weighing the battery before and after. > could it possibly matter in a twenty-five pound battery designed for a > short life in what turns out to be miserably inhospitable temperature & > vibration conditions, not to mention discharge recharge redox cycles. The reality is that modern cars use sealed batterys and no one adds any water to them anymore. |
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>: Jan 19 11:36AM +1100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 03:21:25 +1100, Peter > However, you also said that the DISCHARGED battery is the one with all > the > hydrogen, That's wrong. You don't get hydrogen when attempting to start the car with a battery that is flat or can't deliver the current the starter motor requires to turn the engine over fast enough. > Which is the correct line of reasoning? > (A) Put the negative on the donor car last because that spark is least > likely to ignite hydrogen gases from the discharged battery or Yes, but thats not because of the hydrogen. > (B) Put the positive on the donor car last because you have less chance > of accidentally shorting the circuit More chance of accidentally touching part of the body of the donor car with the positive lead clamp. & the donor has less outgassing > Which is more logical? A, but for a different reason. |
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>: Jan 19 11:46AM +1100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 10:20:29 +1100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> them: >>> Both distilled and deionized water are fit to drink. > Bullshit, don't try that, you could die. Nope. > Why can't we drink distilled water? > Drinking distilled water creates health problems from the lack of > essential nutrients We aren't discussing JUST drinking distilled water, we are discussing whether it is dangerous to drink it. > and causes dehydration. Bullshit. At most it might mean you don't get enough salt if you drink lots of it and dont eat anything. > Drinking distilled water is never a bad idea That's the opposite of what you just claimed. > because the body cannot absorb dissolved minerals from water into the > tissue.Sep 29, 2022 Doesn't need to if you get the salt from fool or salt tablets. > What Is Distilled Water and Is It Safe to Drink? > https://www.freshwatersystems.com › blogs › blog › is-... > https://www.freshwatersystems.com/blogs/blog/is-distilled-water-safe-to-drink Just because some fool claims something... > Limitations > Some contaminants that have the same boiling point as water is > vaporized with water can be carried into the condensate The reality is that there are no contaminants like that in the water used to make distilled water for car batterys. > Careful maintenance is required to ensure purity > Requires more heat / electrical energy to boil the water. > Requires large space on the counter So do deionizers. > Low-cost investment > Limitation > Do not remove particles or bacteria. Or contaminants that have the same boiling point as water. |
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>: Jan 19 11:52AM +1100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 09:39:01 +1100, Peter > result. During Covid, I was wondering why anyone hoarded TP in the first > place. > How does Covid make you need more TP? It doesn't but when some fools started buying it up so they wouldn't be without it, other fools followed suit. |
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>: Jan 19 11:55AM +1100 > Been decades since I had a car battery that needed water but I am > hearing it is better to put distilled or demineralized water in your car > radiator if needed as minerals are bad there too. Only if you are in a hard water area or use your own well water. |
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>: Jan 19 12:01PM +1100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 04:54:10 +1100, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> wrote: > unlikely to cause the battery to explode if hydrogen gas was created. > Perhaps you left the jumpers connected for a few minutes while charging > the battery which leads to more hydrogen gas No, because the battery doesn't gas unless it is being charged when fully charged already and that won't be happening with either battery. |
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>: Jan 19 12:11PM +1100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 07:53:57 +1100, Peter > Henrys Law says it will reach equilibrium based on the partial pressure > of > the carbon dioxide in the air. Its more complicated than that in reality because you wouldnt leave the top off after you have used some to top up the battery. > That ionic carbon dioxide dissolves and turns into carbonic acid. > pH about 5.6 > It's only "pure water" for an instant. But isn't impure enough to matter in reality. |
| "Mighty✅ Wannabe✅" <@.>: Jan 18 10:06PM -0500 Rod Speed wrote on 1/18/2023 7:52 PM: >> How does Covid make you need more TP? > It doesn't but when some fools started buying it up so > they wouldn't be without it, other fools followed suit. For them, it is a logical consequence of hoarding food in a survival mode. What goes in, must come out. |
| "Mighty✅ Wannabe✅" <@.>: Jan 18 11:05PM -0500 Peter wrote on 1/18/2023 5:39 PM: > Plus, the only thing getting bigger down there is my prostate, which is > wreaking havoc with the drainage hydraulics, where I'll say no more. Medical research says that enlarged prostate is a direct consequence of male hormone, much like male pattern baldness. I haven't reached a state that I have problem passing urine but I can sense that the passage is narrowing because it takes longer to empty the bladder. I have been experimenting with all sorts of herbal hair tonics for more than ten years now. I am not bald yet, but like every man I am thinning at the crown. Finally I come back to think about dealing with the male hormone, the alleged culprit of male pattern baldness and enlarged prostate. I found out on the internet that soybean and the artificial sweetener "Stevia" have female hormone effect. So I started using Stevia instead of Sucralose, and eating a lot of tofu. https://www.amazon.com/Now-Better-Stevia-Organic-Sweetener/dp/B005F9XFN0 I also make 1% Stevia water mixture as hair tonic to apply in my crown area. I add 10% in volume isopropyl alcohol mainly as preservative. I don't know if Stevia can rot in water but I imagine no bacteria can grow in 10% IPA solution. For tofu, I buy from Chinese supermarkets soft tofu in plastic buckets that look like this photo: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0360/7035/9178/products/WeChatImage_20200414153015_500x_a8743a02-1633-437e-ab22-79f27427aa69.jpg I empty all the water and refill with cold tap water everyday and keep in the refrigerator. You might be able to find soft tofu in small plastic flats of 4, or 6 cubes in normal supermarket but Chinese supermarkets also sell tofu in bucket size plastic containers as shown in the above photo. My way of eating this tofu is: Put one cube in a 2 qt batter bowl like this https://www.walmart.com/ip/Anchor-Hocking-Glass-Mixing-Batter-Bowl-with-Lid-2-Quart/163913120 Cut the tofu in the batter bowl with scissors vertically many times without holding the tofu by hand. Then add some cooking oil and close the lid. Put into microwave and nuke it. The steam can escape from the lid so there is no danger of the steam and pressure blowing the lid off in the microwave. Season with anything you like, but I usually eat it with other food in my meal. It will take a long time to see results in countering the deleterious effect of male hormone in man's hair and prostate, but I can tell than I have less sex drive after two months of using Stevia as sweetener and adding tofu to my diet. Maybe it is working. |
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>: Jan 19 03:22PM +1100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 14:06:05 +1100, Mighty✅ Wannabe✅ <.> wrote: >> they wouldn't be without it, other fools followed suit. > For them, it is a logical consequence of hoarding food in a survival > mode. They weren't hoarding food in survival mode. > What goes in, must come out. No evidence that more would go in with covid around, so no need for more toilet paper than usual. |
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>: Jan 19 03:29PM +1100 Mighty✅ Wannabe✅ <.> wrote >> wreaking havoc with the drainage hydraulics, where I'll say no more. > Medical research says that enlarged prostate is a direct consequence of > male hormone, much like male pattern baldness. Doesnt explain why an enlarged prostate shows up in old age when the male hormone levels have clearly dropped significantly. > I haven't reached a state that I have problem passing urine I dont either and am almost into my 80s. Never need to piss at night either. > but I can sense that the passage is narrowing because it takes longer to > empty the bladder. Don't get any effect like that either. And my PSA tests are fine. > I have been experimenting with all sorts of herbal hair tonics for more > than ten years now. I haven't bothered and have been visibly balding for more than 50 years now. > I am not bald yet, but like every man I am thinning at the crown. I am much balder than that and it is genetic, my dad started to thin in his 30 and ended up quite a bit balder than me. > Finally I come back to think about dealing with the male hormone, the > alleged culprit of male pattern baldness and enlarged prostate. Don't buy that claim with enlarged prostate for the reason I listed. |
| Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid>: Jan 19 08:26AM +0100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 12:01:08 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread> -- Tim+ about trolling Rodent Speed: He is by far the most persistent troll who seems to be able to get under the skin of folk who really should know better. Since when did arguing with a troll ever achieve anything (beyond giving the troll pleasure)? MID: <1421057667.659518815.743467.tim.downie-gmail.com@news.individual.net> |
| Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid>: Jan 19 08:27AM +0100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 11:04:26 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread> -- "Who or What is Rod Speed? Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered he can enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the big, hard man" on the InterNet." https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/rod-speed-faq.2973853/ |
| Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid>: Jan 19 08:28AM +0100 "Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered he can enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the big, hard man" on the InterNet." https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/rod-speed-faq.2973853/ -- MrTurnip@down.the.farm about senile Rodent Speed: "This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage." MID: <ps10v9$uo2$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid>: Jan 19 08:28AM +0100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 11:21:14 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread> -- R Souls addressing the trolling senile Australian cretin: "Your opinions are unwelcome and worthless. Now fuck off." MID: <urs8jh59laqeeb0seg1erij61m383reog5@4ax.com> |
| Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid>: Jan 19 08:29AM +0100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 11:46:51 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread> -- Kerr-Mudd,John addressing the auto-contradicting senile cretin: "Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)" MID: <XnsA97071CF43E3Fadmin127001@85.214.115.223> |
| Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid>: Jan 19 08:30AM +0100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 10:43:04 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread> -- williamwright addressing Rodent Speed: "This is getting beyond ridiculous now. You're trying to prove black's white. You're arguing with someone who has been involved with the issues all his working life when you clearly have no knowledge at all. I think you're just being a pillock for the sake of it. You clearly don't actually believe your own words. You must have a very empty life, and a sad embittered soul. MID: <j08o6bFeqc1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid>: Jan 19 08:31AM +0100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 09:59:03 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread> -- Xeno to senile Rodent: "You're a sad old man Rod, truly sad." MID: <id04c3F50peU1@mid.individual.net> |
| Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid>: Jan 19 08:32AM +0100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 15:29:23 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread> -- Bod addressing abnormal senile quarreller Rodent Speed: "Do you practice arguing with yourself in an empty room?" MID: <g4ihlaFh5p5U2@mid.individual.net> |
| Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid>: Jan 19 08:34AM +0100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 11:17:27 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread> -- Tim+ about trolling Rodent Speed: He is by far the most persistent troll who seems to be able to get under the skin of folk who really should know better. Since when did arguing with a troll ever achieve anything (beyond giving the troll pleasure)? MID: <1421057667.659518815.743467.tim.downie-gmail.com@news.individual.net> |
| Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid>: Jan 19 08:34AM +0100 On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 11:36:05 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread> |
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