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TOPIC: THE COLLAPSE OF THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION IN 20 QUESTIONS
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 3:11 am
From: Franc Zabkar

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:32:56 -0700 (PDT), Steve <hghgstdhkd@yahoo.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

>THE COLLAPSE OF THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION IN 20 QUESTIONS

Read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins.

The author offers a Darwinian explanation for the existence of
religion. ;-)

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 8:38 am
From: "William R. Walsh"

Hi!

> Can you give me an example of a model number and year
> and what operating system?

As far as I know, Compaq never produced a system that *required* the
system partition to be in place. There was a set of bootable disks--
and I think you could even make them when booted from the system
partition--that would let you run system setup if you didn't have the
partion. Likewise, you could manage the partition from those
diskettes.

Perhaps it's possible that the system BIOS would become "annoyed" if
the partition wasn't removed in just the right way. I do know that I
ran a few systems without the partition and it always worked fine. (It
was a tremendous boon when dealing with users who could not leave
anything alone.)

Two such machines that I handled a lot of had this feature: The Compaq
Contura 410C and the Presario CDS526 both shipped with the setup
partition.

IBM took this idea a little further with what they called IML. This
was used in a few different models of the IBM PS/2 computers. In these
systems, there was just enough microcode present in a ROM on the
mainboard to let the system find its working BIOS from either a floppy
diskette or hard drive. In particular, the Models 56, 57, 76, 77 and
some configurations of the Model 90 and 95 used IML. I think it was
intended as an easier way to update the BIOS in these machines, the
working BIOS could be updated just by upgrading the system programs to
the latest release--a quick, easy and low risk thing to do. It was a
flashable BIOS before there really was such a thing.

The last of the PS/2s did use true flash BIOS technology with IBM's
SurePath. (There were only a very few machines to have that, however.)

William

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 9:10 am
From: Meat Plow

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:55:08 -0400, Jamie
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net>wrote:

>Meat Plow wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 04:42:58 -0400, Jamie
>> <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net>wrote:
>>
>>
>>> some Laptops have a partition on the HD that has special set up
>>>software at boot time to configure the proprietary onboard chips..
>>> This also could be an issue..
>>
>>
>> What laptop(s) would have this feature?
>
>Acers off the top of my head. Maybe not the current
>ones.. But I had to correct an older one that did this.
> The owner installed a newer OS, The process reported that
>the current partition was not the primary one and asked if
>he wish to make the install the primary one etc... etc..
> And he did.....................
>etc
> All was going just fine until it was time to reboot, when
>he did, windows could not find the CD rom, any longer.

> To fix it, we move the HD to a USB external drive cable I have on
>another PC and used the recover CD that restored the HD back to
>original. Put it back in the laptop and then install the new OS over
>the existing one. That worked out fine..
>
> Take it for what you want, if you have been around long enough,
>this isn't a new technique, things like this was done back in the
>hay day to configure your HD, the device settings were on the HD
>platter.

First PC built back in 1990. I don't understand why a seprate
partition would be needed to load drivers, that's all.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 9:14 am
From: Meat Plow

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:11:36 -0400, Jamie
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net>wrote:

>Meat Plow wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:42:49 -0500, Jeffrey D Angus
>> <jangus@suddenlink.net>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Meat Plow wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:57:49 -0500, Jeffrey D Angus
>>>><jangus@suddenlink.net>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Meat Plow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 04:42:58 -0400, Jamie
>>>>>><jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> some Laptops have a partition on the HD that has special set up
>>>>>>>software at boot time to configure the proprietary onboard chips..
>>>>>>> This also could be an issue..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What laptop(s) would have this feature?
>>>>>
>>>>>Compaq, they were nortorious for having a special partition they would
>>>>>fail to boot if they didn't find.
>>>>
>>>>I've never owned a Compaq laptop but working in the industry when
>>>>Compaq was the workstation of choice I would have thought I'd read
>>>>about it somewhere. This must have been really proprietary as I've
>>>>never heard of a chipset needing to load code from a fixed drive
>>>>during boot. Can you give me an example of a model number and year
>>>>and what operating system? Not that I don't believe you I'm just a bit
>>>>taken back that onboard chips could be so proprietary that they
>>>>couldn't be produced with their own non-volitile embedded instruction
>>>>sets.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The Compaq Presario series comes to mind. They had a special 1-2 meg
>>>partition on the hard drive that the bios looked for and not finding,
>>>would hang the system. "OS NOT FOUND"
>>>
>>>I found out the hard way, loading SCO Unix on one, going through the
>>>entire ordeal of loading the operating system (and mistaking wiping
>>>the service partition, then rebooting and finding I had to (a) replace
>>>the service partition and reload the service software and (b) start
>>
>>>from scratch again with SCO Unix install.
>>
>> Wel that's really odd. OS not found usually means the BIOS can't find
>> the MBR or the bootloader can't find the partition, the directory of
>> executables including the OS kernel as described in the boot.ini file
>> of a Windows OS. I'll have to do some research and find out just what
>> chips are uploaded code from this 'service' partition just to satisfy
>> my curiosity.
>A lot of these machines had/have simple controllers. Many of them really
>don't function much, or not at all. The firmware is uploaded from that
>partition or service boot that redirects the boot process, which is a
>hard one to fix if you're trying to upgrade.. The devices come alive
>when the firmware is uploaded and executed. This is kind of a neat way
>of doing things because, you can control the firmware release depending
>on the region, regulations etc... For example, lets say we program the
>CD rom controller to not allow you to read some security CD's or regions
>that don't match yours, Network access depending on where you are, this
>way, they don't need different hardware PC's. All they need to do is put
>in the correct HD that fits the location of where it's going.
>
> It's also a good way I guess to perform firmware updates by simply
>updating the service section and doing a cold boot. That's when the fun
>starts if the update didn't go well :)

Well I hope this firmware had unlimited writes and not like the flash
firmware found today. I'd love to have a specific model of a laptop to
do a little research on. So far no one has been able to produce one.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 12:26 pm
From: bahrouz

do you use the same power outlet , try to use another one in another
room , check if there is a lamp or flurecent that keeps flickering in
the room that you use the computer in , if they fed from the same
power node with flickring flurecent the laptop will keep acting
crazy , its something i noticed ,it may help you determining what is
the real problem is , best wishes .

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 12:37 pm
From: bahrouz

i noticed from sometime that when you connect a laptop to power outlet
that is fed from a node connected to a flickery flurecent lamp the
laptop will go crazy , so try to connect it to another power outlet in
another room , and see if it works hope thats help :-)

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 1:27 pm
From: Mike De Petris

On Apr 26, 9:37 pm, bahrouz <bahrouz.el3a...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i noticed from sometime that when you connect a laptop to power outlet
> that is fed from a node connected to a flickery flurecent lamp the
> laptop will go crazy , so try to connect it to another power outlet in
> another room , and see if it works hope thats help :-)

thank you, anyway I tryed in two different houses, so this is not the
case

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 2:24 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"

fluorescent, please.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 2:36 pm
From: Jerry Peters

Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:57:49 -0500, Jeffrey D Angus
> <jangus@suddenlink.net>wrote:
>
>>Meat Plow wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 04:42:58 -0400, Jamie
>>> <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net>wrote:
>>>
>>>> some Laptops have a partition on the HD that has special set up
>>>> software at boot time to configure the proprietary onboard chips..
>>>> This also could be an issue..
>>>
>>> What laptop(s) would have this feature?
>>
>>Compaq, they were nortorious for having a special partition they would
>>fail to boot if they didn't find.
>
> I've never owned a Compaq laptop but working in the industry when
> Compaq was the workstation of choice I would have thought I'd read
> about it somewhere. This must have been really proprietary as I've
> never heard of a chipset needing to load code from a fixed drive
> during boot. Can you give me an example of a model number and year
> and what operating system? Not that I don't believe you I'm just a bit
> taken back that onboard chips could be so proprietary that they
> couldn't be produced with their own non-volitile embedded instruction
> sets.
>
IIRC IBM did something similiar with certain PS/2 models which loaded
the ABIOS (advanced BIOS) from disk.

Jerry

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 9:08 am
From: "N_Cook"

What is it called? I just used some to repair a broken springline pickup, as
it is easily cut with a razor to make 2 parts to go over the wire suspension
and through the anchor assembly , required to be about 2mm diameter and 4mm
long . Came from a 4 pole multipole motor from a scrapped early VCR, before
rare earth magnets came in. This one a ring about 85mm diameter. Also what
is the generic name for those multipole, spoked former for the coils and
rotating magnets type of motors ?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 11:01 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> What is it called?

Ferrite?

There are flexible ferrites (magnetic material mixed with polymers) than can
be easily cut.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 11:39 am
From: David Nebenzahl

On 4/26/2010 11:01 AM William Sommerwerck spake thus:

> N_Cook expostulated:
>
>> What is it called?
>
> Ferrite?
>
> There are flexible ferrites (magnetic material mixed with polymers) than can
> be easily cut.

Like the stuff used to keep refrigerator doors closed worldwide.

--
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with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 3:40 pm
From: "Phil Allison"

"Nutcase Kook "

> What is it called? I just used some to repair a broken springline pickup,
> as
> it is easily cut with a razor

** Only plastic or rubber magnets can be easily cut, ie fridge magnets.

> to make 2 parts to go over the wire suspension
> and through the anchor assembly , required to be about 2mm diameter and
> 4mm
> long .

** Funny way to describe a reverb tank's miniature tube magnet.

> Came from a 4 pole multipole motor from a scrapped early VCR, before
> rare earth magnets came in. This one a ring about 85mm diameter.

** Normally they use hard ferrite magnets.

> Also what
> is the generic name for those multipole, spoked former for the coils and
> rotating magnets type of motors ?

** Brushless DC.

Yaawwnnnnnnn....

.... Phil

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 2:20 pm
From: rubbishrat

Can nothing be done about the spam that is choking the life out of
this newsgroup ?

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 2:40 pm
From: Jerry Peters

rubbishrat <rubbishrat@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Can nothing be done about the spam that is choking the life out of
> this newsgroup ?

What spam? I don't see any. Then again, I'm not reading this NG via
googlegroups.

Jerry

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 3:44 pm
From: PeterD

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 21:40:36 +0000 (UTC), Jerry Peters
<jerry@example.invalid> wrote:

>rubbishrat <rubbishrat@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Can nothing be done about the spam that is choking the life out of
>> this newsgroup ?
>
>What spam? I don't see any. Then again, I'm not reading this NG via
>googlegroups.
>
> Jerry

Agreed, it is relatively spam free if you don't use one of the largest
spam houses to access the group.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 3:54 pm
From: Grant

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:20:36 -0700 (PDT), rubbishrat <rubbishrat@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Can nothing be done about the spam that is choking the life out of
>this newsgroup ?

Use a proper news client, b) use a killfile.

Grant.
--
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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 4:37 pm
From: propman

On 26/04/2010 2:20 PM, rubbishrat wrote:
> Can nothing be done about the spam that is choking the life out of
> this newsgroup ?

You might want to look into using an alternate newsgroup provider such
as news.eternal-september.org (free access); they filter out 95% of the
junk.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 5:52 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"rubbishrat" <rubbishrat@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:608664c7-0f33-4522-bd4e-3eb18400e1fe@g23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> Can nothing be done about the spam that is choking the life out of
> this newsgroup ?

How many times do we have to go through this ? It has been discussed at
length on here about every two months for the last year or more. Use a
proper news provider, and set filters as necessary ...

Arfa

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 2:47 pm
From: mm

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:25:34 -0700 (PDT), "William R. Walsh"
<wm_walsh@hotmail.com> wrote:

>HI!
>
>> So I guess it's past tense. I'm almost positive my 72 or 73 Buick
>> Centurion convertible had the speakers this way.
>
>I couldn't tell you for sure. If you wanted to be really sure, I'll
>bet you could pick up a factory service manual for these cars
>secondhand. There ought to be some around...

There is one around here. It's in my house somewhere!

And I spent a lot of time looking at it in the 7 years I had the car,
so that's one reason I'm so sure GM cars were done that way, although
I think I also saw stuff about it somewhere else.

I haven't found it yet, but I plan to look more. Thanks for your
reply and Sparky's.
>
>> And after that I had to buy Chryslers.
>
>I don't think that's a bad thing. I paid $100 for a 1984 Reliant in
>decent condition (if you didn't count the fact that the underbody was
>so badly rusted). I and one of my brothers drove the daylights out of
>that little car, and we loved it. It was a breeze to work on!
>
>It had a monaural AM radio that was half nuts--the digital display
>would try to show the time and station all at once, with jumbled
>results. So I pulled it and put a cheap Best Buy car stereo in there
>after adding the two front speakers. Later, I added but did not hook
>up the two rear 5x7 speakers.
>
>Before I got rid of the car, I hooked the rear speakers up temporarily
>and soon realized that I should have done so a long time ago. The
>bigger speakers would have improved the listening experience
>considerably.
>
>Oops. There I go on another story.
>
>> But i'm still interested in opinions about the swapped way, like
>> the fact that with the regular way, with 2 or more in the car
>> and the sound balanced left to right, people on the left hear
>> more of the left than the right, and people on the right hear
>> more of the right than the left.
>
>I don't think I can help you much there. :-)
>
>What I can say is that I've seen car stereos that have a feature
>claiming to set the speakers up such that the listening position is
>optimized for one occupant in the car--or sometimes two. I could
>perceive a difference from this, although I'm not totally sure what it
>did. It sounded very much like it just boosted the sound coming from
>some speakers while cutting the others.
>
>> Was there any circuit logic in the 1970's?
>
>Oh, sure. I *think* it would be correct to say that even a simple
>circuit would be a simple expression of logic. Microprocessor ICs were
>still very much in their infancy, but digital clocks and tuners had
>already started to enter the mainstream. (I've seen 1970s Cadillacs
>with digitally tuned radios. What they have is yellow LED lit seven-
>segment displays, one for each major character. It looks so primitive
>today but must have really been something back in the day.)
>
>(I almost forgot...! My dad's 1979 Cadillac has its left and right
>speakers on the same side for front and back. All these years later,
>that electronically tuned radio and its auto stop cassette player--
>yes, it's *not* an eight track!--still work like new.)
>
>What I'm trying to say with that is "how the fader and balance
>controls are wired in relation to the speakers". It would be much
>easier to leave them "straight" so that balance is "left is left,
>right is right" and the fader is "rear is rear, front is front".
>
>William

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