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* Don't try this at home. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/654bc359eac6fafb?hl=en
* ATX power supply fan noisy. - 7 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/c9cc85470d364e01?hl=en
* Remote control modulator & demodulator - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/132d94f9df784fc3?hl=en
* PCB Designing software - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/0483d5fdfb5c9118?hl=en
* Norver model NU-1C single channel FM and subcarrier receiver. - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/f9ecaac9fedc6567?hl=en
* open eny site free - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/becc39763810a5e2?hl=en
* NJ Family Lawyer Charles Novins Accepts Apologies From Former Net Abusers -
2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/094071d9078e21a9?hl=en
* Sony KV-2784R horiz problem - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/cf85a32f811047d5?hl=en
* RCA TV model F27665, CH. CTC203AX shut down problem - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/688cd1ff34ca5f27?hl=en

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TOPIC: Don't try this at home.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/654bc359eac6fafb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 11:34 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"


Confusing.

Transmission lines are usually at a higher voltage. How did he step it down?
For that matter, how did he connect it to his distribution box?

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TOPIC: ATX power supply fan noisy.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/c9cc85470d364e01?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 11:47 am
From: "David Farber"


William Sommerwerck wrote:
> Is there a Fry's near you? It has a variety of fans, in various
> sizes. You can probably find a close or exact match.

Yes, there are Fry's in my neighborhood. I will check it out.

Thanks for your reply.
--
David Farber
David Farber's Service Center
L.A., CA


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 12:08 pm
From: UCLAN


David Farber wrote:

> I would like to replace this two-wire, 80mm square, power supply fan. The
> power supply is used in an AudioReQuest music server and is powered on
> continuously. The part number is, NMB-MAT 7 followed by a model number of,
> 3110GL-B4W-B54. 12V DC, 0.30A. I've found a few places online that have them
> listed but when I call they, don't have them in stock or the price is
> prohibitively expensive. Is there some generic fan that will replace this
> and not cost more than the power supply itself?

Any 2-wire, 80mm, 12VDC, 0.30A (approx) will do. Got a Radio Shack nearby?
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102826 will do.

Probably cheaper at some place like Frys.


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 1:16 pm
From: D Yuniskis


Hi David,

David Farber wrote:
> I would like to replace this two-wire, 80mm square, power supply fan. The
> power supply is used in an AudioReQuest music server and is powered on
> continuously. The part number is, NMB-MAT 7 followed by a model number of,
> 3110GL-B4W-B54. 12V DC, 0.30A. I've found a few places online that have them

Find another fan that has the same mounting holes (80mm -- note the
*thickness* of the fan, also!) and operates at 12V with <= 0.30A.
Chances are, it's just a generic fan.

If you have access to a lot of surplus fans, look for one
with a ball bearing *and* something that is "quiet" (assuming
noise is an issue).

> listed but when I call they, don't have them in stock or the price is
> prohibitively expensive. Is there some generic fan that will replace this
> and not cost more than the power supply itself?

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 1:13 pm
From: Baron


David Farber Inscribed thus:

> I would like to replace this two-wire, 80mm square, power supply fan.
> The power supply is used in an AudioReQuest music server and is
> powered on continuously. The part number is, NMB-MAT 7 followed by a
> model number of, 3110GL-B4W-B54. 12V DC, 0.30A. I've found a few
> places online that have them listed but when I call they, don't have
> them in stock or the price is prohibitively expensive. Is there some
> generic fan that will replace this and not cost more than the power
> supply itself?
>
> Thanks for your reply.

Depends where you are my local sells them for £0.50p !

--
Best Regards:
Baron.


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 2:30 pm
From: AZ Nomad


On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:08:39 -0700, UCLAN <nomail@thanks.org> wrote:
>David Farber wrote:

>> I would like to replace this two-wire, 80mm square, power supply fan. The
>> power supply is used in an AudioReQuest music server and is powered on
>> continuously. The part number is, NMB-MAT 7 followed by a model number of,
>> 3110GL-B4W-B54. 12V DC, 0.30A. I've found a few places online that have them
>> listed but when I call they, don't have them in stock or the price is
>> prohibitively expensive. Is there some generic fan that will replace this
>> and not cost more than the power supply itself?

>Any 2-wire, 80mm, 12VDC, 0.30A (approx) will do. Got a Radio Shack nearby?
>http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102826 will do.

Sure, if you're to use cable ties and/or duct tape to mount it and assuming
the replacement isn't thicker than the original.

Otherwise, it's good idea to check the thickness and mounting method.


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 2:32 pm
From: "David Farber"


Baron wrote:
> David Farber Inscribed thus:
>
>> I would like to replace this two-wire, 80mm square, power supply
>> fan. The power supply is used in an AudioReQuest music server and is
>> powered on continuously. The part number is, NMB-MAT 7 followed by a
>> model number of, 3110GL-B4W-B54. 12V DC, 0.30A. I've found a few
>> places online that have them listed but when I call they, don't have
>> them in stock or the price is prohibitively expensive. Is there some
>> generic fan that will replace this and not cost more than the power
>> supply itself?
>>
>> Thanks for your reply.
>
> Depends where you are my local sells them for £0.50p !

Is that, " £0.50p" some type of currency? (-;

How much is that in US dollars and cents?

--
David Farber
David Farber's Service Center
L.A., CA


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 6:38 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"David Farber" <farberbear.unspam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:4bd882a9$0$7706$bd467cd0@news.dslextreme.com...
> William Sommerwerck wrote:
>> Is there a Fry's near you? It has a variety of fans, in various
>> sizes. You can probably find a close or exact match.
>
> Yes, there are Fry's in my neighborhood. I will check it out.
>
> Thanks for your reply.
> --
> David Farber
> David Farber's Service Center
> L.A., CA
>

If you want long and quiet service, make sure that you get one with roller
bearings, not the cheapo sleeve bearings.

Arfa

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TOPIC: Remote control modulator & demodulator
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/132d94f9df784fc3?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 1:54 pm
From: "fynnashba@yahoo.com"


Hi Good Pals,
I'm designing an infrared remote controlled circuit with at least
6 functions. I need ICs that can transmit(thru LED)codes or modulate
signals(from the keypad) and a corresponding ic that will decode or
demodulate the signalsa to activate the loads. A matching circuit for
the IC or circuit of any kind similar to mine will be welcome.
Thanks


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 6:36 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

<fynnashba@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3156a141-2bd9-4bfc-acee-0b0f7d3b6dd6@e1g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> Hi Good Pals,
> I'm designing an infrared remote controlled circuit with at least
> 6 functions. I need ICs that can transmit(thru LED)codes or modulate
> signals(from the keypad) and a corresponding ic that will decode or
> demodulate the signalsa to activate the loads. A matching circuit for
> the IC or circuit of any kind similar to mine will be welcome.
> Thanks

Any old IC producing RC5 or whatever code will do at your sending end. I
would think that the easiest thing to do would be to break down an old
remote control handset, and cull all the necessary parts to make your custom
sender. I'm not sure if there are any dedicated decoder ICs still available
these days though. As far as I know, just about every piece of equipment
that uses remote control, carries out the decoding as a background task of
the system control processor. It would, however, be a trivial job to program
a PIC to do the job, and I am sure that ready written code modules for just
about any commonly used data format, would be readily available for free
download on the 'net.

Arfa

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TOPIC: PCB Designing software
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/0483d5fdfb5c9118?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 2:06 pm
From: "fynnashba@yahoo.com"


Please can anyone show me an easy- to- use PCB software that can
automaticaly prepare a circuit board after drawing the schematic
diagram? Or one that you just mount the components to get PCB.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 4:28 pm
From: Archon


fynnashba@yahoo.com wrote:
> Please can anyone show me an easy- to- use PCB software that can
> automaticaly prepare a circuit board after drawing the schematic
> diagram? Or one that you just mount the components to get PCB.
Hi, I recently used the services of http://www.expresspcb.com/ the
service was excellent, probably not as sophisticated as some but the
miniPCB deal (Three 2.5"x3.8" boards for $50) is excellent, quality was
good, fast shipping with DC etc.
JC


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 4:31 pm
From: "Pete Bertini"

<fynnashba@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:37e25e9d-6ef6-4b06-bc9d-95b84212ad92@d39g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> Please can anyone show me an easy- to- use PCB software that can
> automaticaly prepare a circuit board after drawing the schematic
> diagram? Or one that you just mount the components to get PCB.

You should be able to find the shareware versions of IVEX Windraft
and WinBoard on the web for download. The product is no longer
supported, and has a bit of a learning curve. I think the free version
has a 100 pin limit. Product had a few bugs and went through several
revisions, but it should do what you want.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 4:48 pm
From: Rich Webb


On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:06:14 -0700 (PDT), "fynnashba@yahoo.com"
<fynnashba@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Please can anyone show me an easy- to- use PCB software that can
>automaticaly prepare a circuit board after drawing the schematic
>diagram? Or one that you just mount the components to get PCB.

There probably is nothing that can do a reasonable job of
"automatically" creating a board layout, given just the schematic (but I
could be wrong). However, there are packages that have schematic capture
and board layout components that work together to assist *you* to create
the layout.

KiCad http://kicad.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page and gEDA
http://www.gpleda.org/ are each free, open source suites with schematic
capture and board layout.

KiCad has a reasonably active and supportive user community and is
available in versions for both Linux and MS Windows. The principal
author's homepage is over at http://iut-tice.ujf-grenoble.fr/kicad/

I'm less familiar with gEDA. As far as I know, there is not an official
MS Windows distribution available. DJ Delorie may drop by with more
info, though...

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

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TOPIC: Norver model NU-1C single channel FM and subcarrier receiver.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/f9ecaac9fedc6567?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 2:19 pm
From: "fynnashba@yahoo.com"


On Apr 28, 5:49 pm, klem kedidelhopper <captainvideo462...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Is anyone familiar with these radios? They were originally furnished
> to the blind. This one appears to be tuned to 90.1MHZ. I don't know if
> there is still any sub carrier stuff around but in any case I would
> like to see if I can change the receiver frequency. There is a crystal
> but perhaps there may be enough room to move without replacing it.
> Thanks, Lenny

You can Change the crystal. Is the crystal the metal can type? If yes
replace it with a 27 MHZ type. These are normally found in Toy cars
remote control.

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TOPIC: open eny site free
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/becc39763810a5e2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 2:42 pm
From: amal elsawy

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http://openlist.t35.com/
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TOPIC: NJ Family Lawyer Charles Novins Accepts Apologies From Former Net
Abusers
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/094071d9078e21a9?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 2:44 pm
From: "Hagar"

"The Greatest" <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:PLWdnf-7YKfW2UXWnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@centurytel.net...

"Al Ekman" <alekman@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:3n5uf3.te9.19.1@news.alt.net...
> Yet more Usenet posters have addressed Charles Novins publicly, all
> expressing regret for past actions, and vowing to join him in the fight
> against online abuse.
>
> The original abuses and libels were spread across numerous groups, but
> often
> originated in, "alt.usenet.kooks," which had become an "internet cesspool
> in
> recent years.
>
> A brief look is sufficient:
> http://sikoz.notlong.com
>
> Some posters insisted on public apologies, and several others have done
> the
> fight thing privately; Many decided to correct their intemperate comments,
> without the need for any resort to courts or formal agreements.
>
> A few of those insisting on a public statement may be referenced at these
> links:
> http://apologee6.notlong.com
> http://apologee7.notlong.com
> http://apologee8.notlong.com
> http://apologee.notlong.com
>
> Meanwhile, the fight continues.
>
> One attorney tried his hand at libel - while disbarred for other
> infractions - and after getting his law license back, maintains a lower
> profile:
> http://allaboutmiguel.notlong.com
> The typical libeler has more common drives, skin-color often being one.
> This guy posts as "Henri:"
> http://henreee.notlong.com
> This anonymous hater seems to have a problem with Novins's Jewish
> heritage:
> http://jewlawyer.notlong.com
> Others have had trouble with the law, and can operate only online in
> relative safety:
> http://allaboutglb.notlong.com
> Still others fight hard to keep the poisonous hate going - if the
> pointless
> conflicts are resolved through apologies, retractions, they fear they'll
> be
> seen as the "odd person out." These sorts have been hating and abusing
> for
> so long, they know little else. This particular one eschews easy access
> for
> others to her ravings, and removes them from the web. Her Usenet comments
> are at Her Usenet comments are at message ID:
> <3n4qf8.pu8.19.2@news.alt.net> Note the typical paranoia at the end.
>
> The Law Offices of Charles Novins has become a clearinghouse for
> information
> about anonymous internet stalkers, harrassers, abusers, and other online
> undesirables. The firm also has acquired a large store of knowledge,
> pleadings, and other useful materials aimed at dealing with the internet's
> more unfortunate players.
>
> Reach his firm at: http://charlesnovinsesq.com
>
> --
> Al Ekman
> [This message has been sent to groups in which the original defamatory
> post
> appeared]

Well said, my good man.

There is now hope for a "New Beginning" in Usenet !!
--
HJ

*************************************

Oh Noes ... Political Correctness in the News Groups ??? What
next ... singing praise to Osama ???


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 2:48 pm
From: "The Greatest"

"Hagar" <hagen@sahm.name> wrote in message news:c8WdnSXAPryiMUXWnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "The Greatest" <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote in message
> news:PLWdnf-7YKfW2UXWnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@centurytel.net...
>
> "Al Ekman" <alekman@invalid.net> wrote in message
> news:3n5uf3.te9.19.1@news.alt.net...
> > Yet more Usenet posters have addressed Charles Novins publicly, all
> > expressing regret for past actions, and vowing to join him in the fight
> > against online abuse.
> >
> > The original abuses and libels were spread across numerous groups, but
> > often
> > originated in, "alt.usenet.kooks," which had become an "internet cesspool
> > in
> > recent years.
> >
> > A brief look is sufficient:
> > http://sikoz.notlong.com
> >
> > Some posters insisted on public apologies, and several others have done
> > the
> > fight thing privately; Many decided to correct their intemperate comments,
> > without the need for any resort to courts or formal agreements.
> >
> > A few of those insisting on a public statement may be referenced at these
> > links:
> > http://apologee6.notlong.com
> > http://apologee7.notlong.com
> > http://apologee8.notlong.com
> > http://apologee.notlong.com
> >
> > Meanwhile, the fight continues.
> >
> > One attorney tried his hand at libel - while disbarred for other
> > infractions - and after getting his law license back, maintains a lower
> > profile:
> > http://allaboutmiguel.notlong.com
> > The typical libeler has more common drives, skin-color often being one.
> > This guy posts as "Henri:"
> > http://henreee.notlong.com
> > This anonymous hater seems to have a problem with Novins's Jewish
> > heritage:
> > http://jewlawyer.notlong.com
> > Others have had trouble with the law, and can operate only online in
> > relative safety:
> > http://allaboutglb.notlong.com
> > Still others fight hard to keep the poisonous hate going - if the
> > pointless
> > conflicts are resolved through apologies, retractions, they fear they'll
> > be
> > seen as the "odd person out." These sorts have been hating and abusing
> > for
> > so long, they know little else. This particular one eschews easy access
> > for
> > others to her ravings, and removes them from the web. Her Usenet comments
> > are at Her Usenet comments are at message ID:
> > <3n4qf8.pu8.19.2@news.alt.net> Note the typical paranoia at the end.
> >
> > The Law Offices of Charles Novins has become a clearinghouse for
> > information
> > about anonymous internet stalkers, harrassers, abusers, and other online
> > undesirables. The firm also has acquired a large store of knowledge,
> > pleadings, and other useful materials aimed at dealing with the internet's
> > more unfortunate players.
> >
> > Reach his firm at: http://charlesnovinsesq.com
> >
> > --
> > Al Ekman
> > [This message has been sent to groups in which the original defamatory
> > post
> > appeared]
>
> Well said, my good man.
>
> There is now hope for a "New Beginning" in Usenet !!
> --
> HJ
>
> *************************************
>
> Oh Noes ... Political Correctness in the News Groups ??? What
> next ... singing praise to Osama ???

There are limits !!!!
--
HJ

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TOPIC: Sony KV-2784R horiz problem
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/cf85a32f811047d5?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 3:34 pm
From: bill@love.ranch


Thx for the replies..

I pulled the chassis to bring it home - the set is at my other house
and I did not have any tools there.

Therefore I have not replaced the fuse yet as I have nothing to
connect it to.

I was thingking about a low voltage issue because of the remote not
working, I just don't know where that fuse is in the ckt and something
is getting volts as it tries to start. Since it was near the horiz
section I made an assumption. could be wrong.
Don't know if the whistle I hear is the horiz freq or the switching
supply.

tipsnews at nc.rr.com

thanks David.


On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:29:58 -0700, "David Farber"
<farberbear.unspam@aol.com> wrote:

>bill@love.ranch wrote:
>> Sony KV-2784R died - horiz collapse - fuse F501 blown - pressing power
>> button causes TV to try to start then stops - very soft high freq buzz
>> is heard. Remote control will not start it. HOT and all diodes in area
>> test OK with ohmmeter. Fuse is somewhat blackened at end where it
>> seperated, so it wasn't a slight overload. I do not have schematics.
>> Is there any history of common component failures here.Just for ref, I
>> am very technical and had a repair shop in the 80's - this was built
>> 11/86 - just after I closed the shop. So speak to me at that level,
>> thx.
>
>If you post your e-mail address, I can help you with the schematic.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 3:44 pm
From: klem kedidelhopper


On Apr 28, 6:34 pm, b...@love.ranch wrote:
> Thx for the replies..
>
> I pulled the chassis to bring it home - the set is at my other house
> and I did not have any tools there.
>
> Therefore I have not replaced the fuse yet as I have nothing to
> connect it to.
>
> I was thingking about a low voltage issue because of the remote not
> working, I just don't know where that fuse is in the ckt and something
> is getting volts as it tries to start. Since it was near the horiz
> section I made an assumption. could be wrong.
> Don't know if the whistle I hear is the horiz freq or the switching
> supply.
>
> tipsnews at nc.rr.com
>
> thanks David.
>
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:29:58 -0700, "David Farber"
>
>
>
>
>
> <farberbear.uns...@aol.com> wrote:
> >b...@love.ranch wrote:
> >> Sony KV-2784R died - horiz collapse - fuse F501 blown - pressing power
> >> button causes TV to try to start then stops - very soft high freq buzz
> >> is heard. Remote control will not start it. HOT and all diodes in area
> >> test OK with ohmmeter. Fuse is somewhat blackened at end where it
> >> seperated, so it wasn't a slight overload. I do not have schematics.
> >> Is there any history of common component failures here.Just for ref, I
> >> am very technical and had a repair shop in the 80's - this was built
> >> 11/86 - just after I closed the shop. So speak to me at that level,
> >> thx.
>
> >If you post your e-mail address, I can help you with the schematic.

I was thinking that is was the AC line fuse that was blackened.
however from what you said it doesn't sound like it. I don't know what
other fuse you could be referring to other than a small chemical fuse
on a 27 inch set though. Lenny.

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TOPIC: RCA TV model F27665, CH. CTC203AX shut down problem
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/688cd1ff34ca5f27?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 3:55 pm
From: klem kedidelhopper


This set tries to start four times. HV spikes to 20KV each time and
then decays to zero. I've seen where "three strikes" on some of the
RCA's and the Proscan' s pointed to flyback but I'm not sure I've seen
four. Does anyone have any notes on this one?: Thanks, Lenny


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 5:40 pm
From: "Leonard Caillouet"


"klem kedidelhopper" <captainvideo462009@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3b059486-c1d6-4436-9d6a-7561c5741ba8@s2g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> This set tries to start four times. HV spikes to 20KV each time and
> then decays to zero. I've seen where "three strikes" on some of the
> RCA's and the Proscan' s pointed to flyback but I'm not sure I've seen
> four. Does anyone have any notes on this one?: Thanks, Lenny

If you suspect the flyback, look at the collector pulse with your scope.

Leonard

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