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* Notebook freezing when connected to external power supply - 11 messages, 7
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/5ce5b775904c6f5d?hl=en
* Detectron Geiger Counter - 5 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/172aa0a4a231f69a?hl=en
* Picture tube degaussing - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/a6f0cc34cbf52c0b?hl=en
* safe to use microwave after spark - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/b20269eeca00a416?hl=en
* FLX2610 LCD TV repair - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/62e535b9442a0441?hl=en
* THE COLLAPSE OF THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION IN 20 QUESTIONS - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/9f06f02dd6a77836?hl=en
* B&K 1827 frequency meter - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/40692ad1eb00cfb6?hl=en

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TOPIC: Notebook freezing when connected to external power supply
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/5ce5b775904c6f5d?hl=en
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 10:13 am
From: Bennett Price

If the charger is not plugged into the wall when you insert it into your
Toshiba, does the PC hang? I'm thinking the socket in the Toshiba may
be shorting out in some fashion when a plug, dead or alive, is inserted.

On 4/23/2010 1:00 PM, Mike De Petris wrote:
> I have a Toshiba Satellite A205 - S4777 that works perfect while on
> battery, but the instance i plug the charger in, it freezes. First i
> thought it was a Vista-Toshiba issue but only to discover that even in
> BIOS it freezes instantly when the charger is plugged in. When the
> laptop is off, any attempt to power it on while the charger is plugged
> in, results only in a flicker of the power led.
> I tried different chargers, ANY possible power options combinations in
> Vista and Win7.
>
> If I boot from battery and enter Windows Safe Mode, or Hiren's boot
> CD, or WinXP mini all works fine even if I connect the power cord,
> where normal Windows and BIOS freeze istantly.
>
> I'm even thing of giving current directly by the battery contacts...
> may this be possible?
>
> Any help or advice on possible causes or solution to this issue would
> be grateful. Thank you :)

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 10:42 am
From: Mike De Petris

On Apr 24, 7:13 pm, Bennett Price <bjpr...@cal.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> If the charger is not plugged into the wall when you insert it into your
> Toshiba, does the PC hang?  I'm thinking the socket in the Toshiba may
> be shorting out in some fashion when a plug, dead or alive, is inserted.

no, I tried keeping the charged plugged into the notebook with mains
disconnected, and it works normally with battery, hang occurs as soon
as I connect the charger to the mains

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 11:30 am
From: Jeffrey D Angus

Mike De Petris wrote:
> no, I tried keeping the charged plugged into the notebook with mains
> disconnected, and it works normally with battery, hang occurs as soon
> as I connect the charger to the mains

Let me see if H ave this right.

With the charger plugged into the lap top, but NOT connected to
the mains, the laptop functions properly.

If you plug the power supply into the mains, the laptop goes
stupid and hangs up.

IF that's the case, I would suspect that something is wrong with
the charging supply. Such as the voltage is way high, causing the
laptop top get annoyed and hang up.

Have you measured the charger output with no load on it? (I.e.
not plugged into the laptop.)

--
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity."
Frank Leahy, Head coach, Notre Dame 1941-1954

http://www.stay-connect.com

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 11:30 am
From: Meat Plow

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:00:57 -0700 (PDT), Mike De Petris
<mikedepetris@gmail.com>wrote:

>I have a Toshiba Satellite A205 - S4777 that works perfect while on
>battery, but the instance i plug the charger in, it freezes. First i
>thought it was a Vista-Toshiba issue but only to discover that even in
>BIOS it freezes instantly when the charger is plugged in. When the
>laptop is off, any attempt to power it on while the charger is plugged
>in, results only in a flicker of the power led.
>I tried different chargers, ANY possible power options combinations in
>Vista and Win7.
>
>If I boot from battery and enter Windows Safe Mode, or Hiren's boot
>CD, or WinXP mini all works fine even if I connect the power cord,
>where normal Windows and BIOS freeze istantly.
>
>I'm even thing of giving current directly by the battery contacts...
>may this be possible?
>
>Any help or advice on possible causes or solution to this issue would
>be grateful. Thank you :)

Uninstall the Toshiba Power Managemnt utility if you have it
installed. If that fixes it try reinstalling it. If you don't have the
utility installed go to Toshiba and see if it is available for your
205 and the Vista platform.

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 12:47 pm
From: Mike De Petris

On Apr 24, 8:30 pm, Jeffrey D Angus <jan...@suddenlink.net> wrote:
> Mike De Petris wrote:
> > no, I tried keeping the charged plugged into the notebook with mains
> > disconnected, and it works normally with battery, hang occurs as soon
> > as I connect the charger to the mains
>
> Let me see if H ave this right.
>
> With the charger plugged into the lap top, but NOT connected to
> the mains, the laptop functions properly.
>
> If you plug the power supply into the mains, the laptop goes
> stupid and hangs up.
>
> IF that's the case, I would suspect that something is wrong with
> the charging supply. Such as the voltage is way high, causing the
> laptop top get annoyed and hang up.
>
> Have you measured the charger output with no load on it? (I.e.
> not plugged into the laptop.)

I measured the voltage and it's normal, tried several chargers anyway

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 12:48 pm
From: Mike De Petris

On Apr 24, 8:30 pm, Meat Plow <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:00:57 -0700 (PDT), Mike De Petris
> <mikedepet...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> >I have a Toshiba Satellite A205 - S4777 that works perfect while on
> >battery, but the instance i plug the charger in, it freezes. First i
> >thought it was a Vista-Toshiba issue but only to discover that even in
> >BIOS it freezes instantly when the charger is plugged in. When the
> >laptop is off, any attempt to power it on while the charger is plugged
> >in, results only in a flicker of the power led.
> >I tried different chargers, ANY possible power options combinations in
> >Vista and Win7.
>
> >If I boot from battery and enter Windows Safe Mode, or Hiren's boot
> >CD, or WinXP mini all works fine even if I connect the power cord,
> >where normal Windows and BIOS freeze istantly.
>
> >I'm even thing of giving current directly by the battery contacts...
> >may this be possible?
>
> >Any help or advice on possible causes or solution to this issue would
> >be grateful. Thank you :)
>
> Uninstall the Toshiba Power Managemnt utility if you have it
> installed. If that fixes it try reinstalling it. If you don't have the
> utility installed go to Toshiba and see if it is available for your
> 205 and the Vista platform.

I have plain Windows 7 installed at the moment, no Toshiba nor other
utilities, even never connected to the network.

Anyway it freezes even in the BIOS when connecting power.

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 25 2010 1:42 am
From: Jamie

Mike De Petris wrote:

> On Apr 24, 8:30 pm, Jeffrey D Angus <jan...@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>
>>Mike De Petris wrote:
>>
>>>no, I tried keeping the charged plugged into the notebook with mains
>>>disconnected, and it works normally with battery, hang occurs as soon
>>>as I connect the charger to the mains
>>
>>Let me see if H ave this right.
>>
>>With the charger plugged into the lap top, but NOT connected to
>>the mains, the laptop functions properly.
>>
>>If you plug the power supply into the mains, the laptop goes
>>stupid and hangs up.
>>
>>IF that's the case, I would suspect that something is wrong with
>>the charging supply. Such as the voltage is way high, causing the
>>laptop top get annoyed and hang up.
>>
>>Have you measured the charger output with no load on it? (I.e.
>>not plugged into the laptop.)
>
>
> I measured the voltage and it's normal, tried several chargers anyway
>
Its your power management drivers and GUI software that is a problem..
uninstall and install the original drivers from the CD's or web sight
for that laptop.

Since the unit seems to be locking, the driver software could be most
likely is the issue and maybe proprietary to that lap top

Things like this happen after a Windows update, unexpected error on
the HD, some one removed something they shouldn't of or, a
funny program is running on board..

It's possible a bad onboard support circuit but I doubt that
very much.

A simple test to prove this would be to boot to bias so the basics of
the machine is on and energize the charger to see if a lock takes
place there.
Next, boot into safe mode, and try the same thing.. If all is ok up
to this point. correct the software on board.

Have a good day.

P.S.
some Laptops have a partition on the HD that has special set up
software at boot time to configure the proprietary onboard chips..
This also could be an issue..

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 1:56 pm
From: Jeffrey D Angus

Jamie wrote:
> A simple test to prove this would be to boot to bias so the
> basics of the machine is on and energize the charger to see if
> a lock takes place there.
> Next, boot into safe mode, and try the same thing.. If all
> is ok up to this point. correct the software on board.

Good call, thanks Jamie.

Jeff

--
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity."
Frank Leahy, Head coach, Notre Dame 1941-1954

http://www.stay-connect.com

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 1:59 pm
From: Mike De Petris

On Apr 25, 10:42 am, Jamie
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@charter.net> wrote:
>   Its your power management drivers and GUI software that is a problem..
>   uninstall and install the original drivers from the CD's or web sight
> for that laptop.

I'm testing it with a plain Windows 7 installed on a new hdd, never
connected network, never installed other drivers or software.

>    Since the unit seems to be locking, the driver software could be most
> likely is the issue and maybe proprietary to that lap top

Even if it's plain Windows 7?

>    Things like this happen after a Windows update, unexpected error on
> the HD, some one removed something they shouldn't of or, a
> funny program is running on board..

No windows update, no driver nor software installations done.

>    It's possible a bad onboard support circuit but I doubt that
> very much.

Of course it's possible.

>    A simple test to prove this would be to boot to bias so the basics of
> the machine is on and energize the charger to see if a lock takes
>   place there.

As I wrote, if I boot using battery and enter BIOS, it freezes when I
connect power.

>    Next, boot into safe mode, and try the same thing.. If all is ok up
> to this point. correct the software on board.

As I wrote, safe mode works ok even if connecting power.

>    P.S.
>      some Laptops have a partition on the HD that has special set up
> software at boot time to configure the proprietary onboard chips..
>    This also could be an issue..

I installed a new hard disk, so do you think I should install Toshiba
utilities in Seven?

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 2:46 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"

You said that this problem didn't occur with certain software -- only BIOS
and W7. Which suggests a software problem.

Toshiba notebooks have not generally have this problem. You could push and
pull the AC adapter's plug all day long, and the computer didn't mind.

I suspect the software interprets the tiny "glitch" when the plug is
inserted (or removed) as a power loss, or a command to switch to
Sleep/Standby.

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 8:05 pm
From: "hr(bob) hofmann@att.net"

On Apr 24, 4:46 pm, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> You said that this problem didn't occur with certain software -- only BIOS
> and W7. Which suggests a software problem.
>
> Toshiba notebooks have not generally have this problem. You could push and
> pull the AC adapter's plug all day long, and the computer didn't mind.
>
> I suspect the software interprets the tiny "glitch" when the plug is
> inserted (or removed) as a power loss, or a command to switch to
> Sleep/Standby.

Does the hard drive light come on solid when it freezes, indicating it
is in some sort of loop, or does it go out, or does it flash
intermittently indicating it is not locked up?

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 10:45 am
From: "Chris F."

> Did you figure out where the yellow electrolytic in the photo was
> connected? Power supply filter or meter integrator?

It's connected across the meter.

>
> Find an oscilloscope that can tolerate some high voltage (i.e. 100x
> probe). Look at the power supply line. Got pulses? If so, get rid
> of them with a filter cap.

Already tried that.... or are you talking about the AC line feeding my
transformer/rectifier/cap power supply?

>
> Old carbon composition resistors tend to change value with age (and
> moisture). With the power off, you might walk though the pile and see
> if there are any that are radically off value. I don't think this is
> causing the problem, but it might be contributory.

Checked them all, and all are well within their specified tolerances.

>
>>I wonder if a row of 10 9-volt batteries would work?
>
> Probably, but rather expensive. It should work with your external
> power supplies, but due to the apparent lack of power supply
> filtering, it might be oscillating.
>
> If all else fails, trace out the schematic. It doesn't look all that
> messy and you can probably use the DG-9 schematic as a guide. The
> author of the web site where we found the DG-9 schematic is the
> founders son. Send him email asking if he has a DG-7 schematic or if
> he knowns anyone that can help.
>
I might do that. Can't think of anything else it might be, as it's really a
rather basic circuit. BTW that small tube with the 2 leads I mentioned is a
5841 (voltage regulator), and I don't have a sub for it.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 11:33 am
From: "tm"

"Chris F." <zappyman@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4bd32e4e$0$12423$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net...
>
>>
>>
>>
>> If all else fails, trace out the schematic. It doesn't look all that
>> messy and you can probably use the DG-9 schematic as a guide. The
>> author of the web site where we found the DG-9 schematic is the
>> founders son. Send him email asking if he has a DG-7 schematic or if
>> he knowns anyone that can help.
>>
> I might do that. Can't think of anything else it might be, as it's really
> a rather basic circuit. BTW that small tube with the 2 leads I mentioned
> is a 5841 (voltage regulator), and I don't have a sub for it.
>

Check this out:

http://www.dvq.com/geiger/heath_rc1.pdf

Googleing says it is a 900 volt regulator. maybe a stack of 150 volt zeners
would work.

I did see some replacements available.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 11:33 am
From: David Nebenzahl

On 4/24/2010 1:02 AM N_Cook spake thus:

> Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
> news:kcf4t5hlkdkjj4h04vns4qf7t8d3dhcsob@4ax.com...
>
>> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:38:23 -0700, "Chris F." <zappyman@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Schematic of the DG-9 model:
>>>> <http://www.curtcass.com/detectron/dg9-sch.jpg>
>>>> Probably quite similar to the DG-7.
>>>
>> I'll stand on my comments that your clip lead and external power
>> supply kludge is probably causing problems. Find some suitable
>> electrolytics and place them across where the battery would normally
>> connect. The idea is to reduce the impedance that the counter sees in
>> the direction of the power supplies. That should reduce the
>> motorboating (oscillation).
>
> Does USA "kludge" = UK "bodge" ?

Yes, except that I'm going to insist that the proper spelling is
"kluge"[1], which rhymes with "luge", not kludge which would rhyme with
fudge (which would just be wrong!).

[1] I'm fairly certain, though I can't prove it, that this term comes
from a line of printing equipment made by the company called Kluge,
which included a number of very complex Rube-Goldbergian machines, hence
the current usage.

--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 12:07 pm
From: PeterD

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:51:13 -0700, "Chris F." <zappyman@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>> I'll stand on my comments that your clip lead and external power
>> supply kludge is probably causing problems. Find some suitable
>> electrolytics and place them across where the battery would normally
>> connect. The idea is to reduce the impedance that the counter sees in
>> the direction of the power supplies. That should reduce the
>> motorboating (oscillation).
>
>I tried putting a 100uF cap in that area, the result was that it greatly
>increased the frequency of the stray clicks....
>I wonder if a row of 10 9-volt batteries would work?
>

Probably would, but may not for very long. Why not an inverter with an
output of about 90 VDC? The current is not very great, you could
probalby bodge one together easily enough.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 6:06 pm
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 10:45:48 -0700, "Chris F." <zappyman@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>> Did you figure out where the yellow electrolytic in the photo was
>> connected? Power supply filter or meter integrator?
>
>It's connected across the meter.

Ok, ignore it. I was hopeing for power supply.

>> Find an oscilloscope that can tolerate some high voltage (i.e. 100x
>> probe). Look at the power supply line. Got pulses? If so, get rid
>> of them with a filter cap.
>
>Already tried that.... or are you talking about the AC line feeding my
>transformer/rectifier/cap power supply?

No. I meant high voltage battery positive lead. If there's
motorboating there, then the power supply may need to be filtered.

If that shows nothing useful, follow the signal path from the GM tube
(after the coupling capacitor so that you're not looking at 900VDC) to
the first grid, to that tube's plate, to the next grid, and so on. You
should be able to see the motorboating.

>I might do that. Can't think of anything else it might be, as it's really a
>rather basic circuit.

Then, trace it out. From the photo, it looks simple enough.

>BTW that small tube with the 2 leads I mentioned is a
>5841 (voltage regulator), and I don't have a sub for it.

It's a 900VDC regulator. Same as Victoreen GV3A-900.
<http://www.logwell.com/tech/app_notes/VictoreenCatalog.pdf>
See if there's any oscillations cross the tube with a high-voltage
probe. It could be acting as a relaxation oscillator (as in a
neon-lamp oscillator). Solid state replacement:
<http://www.logwell.com/products/Codatron_Corotron.html>

More for the collection (but nothing useful):
<http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/surveymeters/Detectrondg7.htm>
<http://www.nukeworker.com/pictures/displayimage-442-47.html>
<http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/surveymeters/Detectrondg2.htm>
<http://www.dvq.com/geiger/detdg7.jpg>
<http://www.vex.net/~flint/geigerboy/page3.htm>

Here's an eBay listing that has expired.
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270535217184>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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TOPIC: Picture tube degaussing
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 12:41 pm
From: Ron Weston

I used my degaussing coil on the TV again today. This time I moved the
coil over the front, sides and top of the TV. There's still a tiny bit
of green in one corner (you have to look closely on a very light
screen to see it) and my friend is satisfied and didn't want me to try
the bulk eraser.

I'm afraid the degaussing circuit in the TV is not working. The green
spots got worse in the week since I first degaussed the set. My friend
is unwilling to give up her TV now so that I can repair it, but when
she goes on vacation this summer I will repair the set.

Thanks again for all the responses and advice. It's greatly
appreciated.

Ron Weston <RonW@nosuch.com> wrote:

>Thanks for the replies so far. My friend is a senior citizen and lives
>alone, so no children have been near the TV. There have been lightning
>storms so that may be what caused her TV problem.
>
>I have a bulk tape eraser. When I visit again first I'll try my
>degaussing coil on the side of the TV as well as the front, and if
>that doesn't work I'll try the eraser.
>
>I'll report back what happens.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 5:54 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Ron Weston" <RonW@nosuch.com> wrote in message
news:1ph6t5hdr7o8alpfogghskv1v4iof7egm1@4ax.com...
>I used my degaussing coil on the TV again today. This time I moved the
> coil over the front, sides and top of the TV. There's still a tiny bit
> of green in one corner (you have to look closely on a very light
> screen to see it) and my friend is satisfied and didn't want me to try
> the bulk eraser.
>
> I'm afraid the degaussing circuit in the TV is not working. The green
> spots got worse in the week since I first degaussed the set. My friend
> is unwilling to give up her TV now so that I can repair it, but when
> she goes on vacation this summer I will repair the set.
>
> Thanks again for all the responses and advice. It's greatly
> appreciated.
>
>

Just another little bit of friendly advice Ron - don't top-post ! It's
greatly frowned upon in newsgroups, and whilst it's reasonably tolerated on
this group, doing it on some others will cause a shed-load of abuse to fall
onto your head ...

Arfa

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 7:41 pm
From: "Phil Allison"

"Ron Weston"

> I'm afraid the degaussing circuit in the TV is not working.

** Now he tells us ......

Did he never guess that the failure of the degaussing circuit CAUSED the
green patches to appear ??

..... Phil

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TOPIC: safe to use microwave after spark
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/b20269eeca00a416?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 4:35 pm
From: lora

It was inside the oven. Saw a spark when the microwave turned on.

Earlier, we had seen a spark when cooking a frozen package of
steamfresh veggies and this had caused the board that is attached on
the interior top of the microwave to be partially torn. Not sure what
the purpose of the board in the interior top part of the microwave is
for.

Anyways, thanks and let me know what you think. BTW, we used it today
and it works. My mother can smell some burning odor, but no one else
can. The parts at the bottom look intact.

Thx

On Apr 24, 12:04 am, "hr(bob) hofm...@att.net" <hrhofm...@att.net>
wrote:
> On Apr 23, 9:05 pm, lora <anjela_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
>
> > A family member mistakenly hit the Cook button instead of the Timer
> > and a small spark was seen. He immediately shut off the power and
> > everything looks good.
>
> > Is it safe to use if all parts are still intact?
>
> > Thanks for you advise.
>
> It would help if you told us where the spark was seen, inside the
> oven,, inside the control area, etc??!!!!!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 5:07 pm
From: Adrian C

On 25/04/2010 00:35, lora wrote:
> It was inside the oven. Saw a spark when the microwave turned on.
>
> Earlier, we had seen a spark when cooking a frozen package of
> steamfresh veggies and this had caused the board that is attached on
> the interior top of the microwave to be partially torn. Not sure what
> the purpose of the board in the interior top part of the microwave is
> for.

It's the wave guide cover. It's a sheet of mica that has fractured and
needs replacement.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/17121/how_to_fix_a_sparking_microwave_oven.html

--
Adrian C

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TOPIC: FLX2610 LCD TV repair
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/62e535b9442a0441?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 5:32 pm
From: Dani

Check location D10 shorted (her304) use a nte576,.or try a PR3004G
diode from a Zenith TV chassis. Control box not available, nor is the
main module inside control box available. Could be a firmware issue,
but not lilely. Power supply module inside control box is available
for about $90. Hope this is helpfull. Dani.

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TOPIC: THE COLLAPSE OF THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION IN 20 QUESTIONS
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 5:32 pm
From: Steve

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 5:44 pm
From: Sjouke Burry

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TOPIC: B&K 1827 frequency meter
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/40692ad1eb00cfb6?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 8:23 pm
From: klem kedidelhopper

I picked this thing up at a flea market for a buck. I put batteries in
it and it seems to power up and reads some low frequencies but I can't
seem to get it to read any RF. Does anyone have a manual they could
share with me? Thanks, Lenny

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