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* 40Gb Western Digital hard drive - 7 messages, 6 authors
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* Surge Protectors - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Allah, CREATED THE UNIVERSE FROM NOTHING - 2 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: Conformal coating breakdown.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/56485486962242c4?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 1:57 pm
From: "Dave M"
N_Cook wrote:
> Supposed to be there to keep damp/condensation out but over 20 years
> or so does the opposite. The waxy/jelly type coating (not the epoxy
> potting stuff) breaks down to an oily film that is probably
> hygroscopic - plenty of green copper carbonate and rotted IC pins.
> Gets inside chips capilliary-wise and rots them internally as well.
> Anyone happen to know what this oily breakdown product is chemically?
That coating is probably the silicone-based conformal coating, but I don't
know what mechanism degrades the coating. During the late 70s through
mid-90s, I serviced military equipment. Much of the stuff built in the 80s
and later was sealed with the silicone-based coating, but I never saw any
oily degradation. Exposure to salt water will cause the green corrosion
that you're seeing.
Could it be that the circuitry that you're experiencing the problem with was
incompletely coated, or had the coating scuffed off the IC pins? That would
have exposed the bare metal of the circuitry, leaving it unprotected and
susceptible to corrosion.
When the tip of the IC pin starts to corrode, it's just a matter of time
before the corrosion starts to creep under the coating.
--
David
dgminala at mediacombb dot net
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 4:02 pm
From: Jeff Liebermann
On Sat, 29 May 2010 20:03:14 +0100, "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk>
wrote:
>Supposed to be there to keep damp/condensation out but over 20 years or so
>does the opposite. The waxy/jelly type coating (not the epoxy potting stuff)
>breaks down to an oily film that is probably hygroscopic - plenty of green
>copper carbonate and rotted IC pins. Gets inside chips capilliary-wise and
>rots them internally as well. Anyone happen to know what this oily breakdown
>product is chemically?
No surprise. *ALL* conformal coatings are somewhat penetrable by
water (except maybe Parylene):
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_coating>
<http://www.conformalcoating.com> (Yech. The tech bull requires
registration)
<http://www.conformalcoating.co.uk>
There are a mess of bulletins describing various failure mechanisms
under:
<http://www.conformalcoating.co.uk/technicalbulletins.php>
<http://www.conformalcoating.co.uk/FAQs.php>
However, they don't describe anything like you're experiencing. My
guess(tm) is that you have a wax coating, not acrylic, silicon, or
urethane. The wax has literally dissolved into mush from airborne
solvent attack. It may also have melted due to overheating. Difficult
to tell for sure without knowing the type of coating.
I used wax in the 1970's for marine radios. It worked well enough and
was easy to apply. The best part was that I could solder right
through the coating. If you want to remove the wax mess, just hit it
with a hot air gun and watch the wax drip off the board. Solvents
will also remove it. Then, just apply a new layer of wax and it's as
good as new.
Do you have a long wave UV lamp (i.e. black light or UV LED
flashlight)? Most PCB coatings have a phosphorescent die mixed in to
make it easy to inspect for gaps. Light it up and see if there's a
pattern. If you have large blank areas missing, it's a solvent
problem.
(Duz anyone know what happened to Dr. Barry L. Ornitz, who would
usually answer such chemistry questions? The last usenet posting I
could find was Nov 26, 2009).
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 4:58 pm
From: John-Del
On May 29, 3:03 pm, "N_Cook" <dive...@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
> Supposed to be there to keep damp/condensation out but over 20 years or so
> does the opposite. The waxy/jelly type coating (not the epoxy potting stuff)
> breaks down to an oily film that is probably hygroscopic - plenty of green
> copper carbonate and rotted IC pins. Gets inside chips capilliary-wise and
> rots them internally as well. Anyone happen to know what this oily breakdown
> product is chemically?
Don't overlook the possibility of leaking electrolytic caps causing
the copper leaching.
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TOPIC: 40Gb Western Digital hard drive
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/d11c27dd9c7d80c0?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 2:19 pm
From: Meat Plow
On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:55:56 -0700, mike ǝʇoɹʍ:
> ʍoןd ʇɐǝɯ wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 May 2010 03:18:18 -0700, mike ǝʇoɹʍ:
>>
>> > D Yuniskis wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> eMachines are... well, we won't go there! :-/
>> >
>> > I 'spose that may be why the E-machine 'puters at the scrapyard are
>> > usually still intact.
>>
>> I own a 2005 eMachine, 2.0 ghz AMD Athalon64. It's now a Windows 7
>> machine and does its job flawlessly. Just like any other brand you need
>> to know what you are buying within the brand name.
>
> I've yet to buy new, so I'm always stuck with whatever is already there.
> However, it always cheers me to find inside a MB made by Intel and a
> PSU with a name like Astec or Antec, or even John Deere, I've had pretty
> good
> service out those.
>
> I bought an LG dvd burner a couple years ago from a former IT guy and
> it is really phenomenal at reading dvds even when they're covered with
> finger prints and scratches (like a lot of the ones at the local library
> have), whereas, none of my previous burners (grand total of 2) would be
> able to read 'em, at least not error free.
>
>>Being semi-retired
>> from the IT world now since 2008 I've seen plenty of junk out there
>> with Compac, HP, Sony, Toshiba badges on them. One thing you need to
>> understand is not many if any make 100% of their own components. So you
>> should not make global statements condemning the badge name without
>> this knowledge.
>
> I had pretty good service with a T1742 that a neighbor gave me, it had
> an Intel MB, and didn't have a Bestec PSU. The 3 I found at the
> scrapyard all had failed Bestec PSU's, which became notorious for not
> having a crowbar circuit to shut down the outputs if they went
> over-voltage. Maybe they started using a better PSU, the last blown up
> one I found was a T2862 or something like that, I suspect a few years
> older than your 2005 model.
The 6212 was the first and only eMachines so far I've owned. MSI mobo,
nVidia Nforce chipset. Came with XP. I replaced the 160 gig PATA drive
with a 320 gig SATA and was just going to reinstall and keep the original
but I'll be damned if i could locate the correct chipset drivers and I'm
no neub at searching for stuff like that. I ended up cloning the 160 to
the 320 with Acronis Easy Migrate or Migrate Easy or whatever they call it
cuz it had a 15 day fully functional trial. Worked like a charm. Set the
160 on the shelf in case of catastrophic failure. Then I wanted an
external so i bought a WD 500 gig USB. The case failed after a month so
out came the drive and into the 6212 case it went. Bought Win7 a while
back, nuked XP (well Win7 nuked it) and that's what I use for some
specialized stuff. Most of the internet is on this Toshiba 1905 laptop
with Mandriva 2010 linux installed.
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 2:27 pm
From: mike
Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sat, 29 May 2010 03:52:45 -0700 (PDT), mike
> <mlightner@survivormail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I buy piles of them from the local recyclers. Those are the ones that
> work. You should see the piles and piles that didn't.
Hmm, you must work on 'puters alot! One of my favorite places to hang
out up till a couple years ago was the local 'puter recycler - I'd go
there at least every other week and end up spending all my disposable
income for the week (all 2 dollars of it :) . When the bottom dropped
out of that market they had to close since none of the outfits they'd
been sending the stuff to would give them any money for it any more.
I miss that place, the guy who ran it was formerly a corporate IT
guy, they always had some kind of great deals going on.
>
> >Well, I had several browser windows open and of a sudden the bowser
> >was stuck viewing the last one I'd been looking at - the mouse cursor
> >would still move around as it should but clicking on stuff had no
> >effect. Couldn't close any browser windows, couldn't start up any
> >other programs, couldn't shutdown the machine, except by pushing and
> >holding down the power button.
>
> Basically, the operating system got lost. That could be anything. Bad
> motherboard, flakey IDE device, flakey plug in card, or even a bad
> keyboard/mouse can hang the machine. However, it also can be a bad
> sector on the HD. If you can get it to boot, try scanning the HD for
> bad sectors and disallocating them. Then, keep track of the number of
> bad sectors on the drive. Any increase, and it's eWaste.
OK, now I've got a couple new programs to learn, I'll be setting up a
spare-parts machine so I can dig into this
further, maybe restore some of the older pieces of hardware I've got
hanging about, or at least classify as to whether I need to hang onto
or not.
> >I haven't tried anything newer than 9.10, after I tried and failed to
> >figure how to get my modem working with it I went back to 8.04, which
> >seems much more intuitive to me.
>
> What's a modem? Is that like dialup? I use those when desperate or
> visting stone age retro enthusiasts.
Yeah, I know, I seem to keep slipping back into the stone age, been
that way since 1993, one step forward, etc.. There's DSL at work
so at least I'm getting a little familiar with that - kinda makes
surfing at home at 56K a bit of a drag though...
> >Thanks, I'll have to see if I can get this SmartMonTools in 8.04.
>
> <http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/smartmontools>
Ah, thanks for the link!
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 2:42 pm
From: mike
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> I had someone bragging about how much better his HP computer was,
> than the eMachines computer sitting by my bench. I opened both. They
> were both shipped with the same motherboard and power supply. The same
> brand of CD-ROM drive and amount of RAM. Both had a 3.5" floppy drive.
> Neither were cheap crap. He paid over twice the price of the emachines
> computer for the same hardware.
Hmm, I wonder when they started doing that, that's good to know! What
kind of MB's do they have?
>
> --
> Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
> have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 3:32 pm
From: Jeff Liebermann
On Sat, 29 May 2010 14:27:24 -0700 (PDT), mike
<mlightner@survivormail.com> wrote:
>Hmm, you must work on 'puters alot!
I try to avoid computahs whenever possible. However, they do pay for
my decadent and lavish lifestyle, so they're difficult to avoid.
>One of my favorite places to hang
>out up till a couple years ago was the local 'puter recycler
The local senior citizens group runs a recycling operation.
<http://www.californiagreybears.org>
<http://www.californiagreybears.org/images/computer.jpg>
The computer part was profitable when China was buying everything.
These days, it's borderline. There also was a recycling operation at
the local dump, but that went away about 3 years ago:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/e-waste/index.html> (kinda old)
The problem is that I can't return anything for credit or refund. I
have to make an astute guess as to whether I can fix it, how much it
will cost to fix, who I could sell it to, and whether I can make a
profit on the repair. It's speculation at it's worst. My guess is
that I lose money on all the computer rebuilds, but do fairly well on
the HP printers and plotters.
>OK, now I've got a couple new programs to learn,
MHDD is a good program for testing hard disks. That's one that I use
when I get a pile of drives to test. I use the "magic-boot" version.
The only catch is that I once wiped a drive by accident. Be careful
with live data.
>Yeah, I know, I seem to keep slipping back into the stone age, been
>that way since 1993, one step forward, etc.. There's DSL at work
>so at least I'm getting a little familiar with that - kinda makes
>surfing at home at 56K a bit of a drag though...
Locally, the monthly price of a DSL account is only slightly more than
a dialup. When I had the only DSL in the neighborhood, most of the
neighbors were "borrowing" my bandwidth (with my permission). You
might ask around to see who's got a cable modem (faster than DSL)
that's willing to share.
>> >Thanks, I'll have to see if I can get this SmartMonTools in 8.04.
>> <http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/smartmontools>
>Ah, thanks for the link!
The hard part was trying to remember the strange names of the various
distributions. 8.04 was Hardy Heron, a truly memorable name that I
can recall for about 10 minutes.
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 3:40 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"
mike wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> > I had someone bragging about how much better his HP computer was,
> > than the eMachines computer sitting by my bench. I opened both. They
> > were both shipped with the same motherboard and power supply. The same
> > brand of CD-ROM drive and amount of RAM. Both had a 3.5" floppy drive.
> > Neither were cheap crap. He paid over twice the price of the emachines
> > computer for the same hardware.
>
> Hmm, I wonder when they started doing that, that's good to know! What
> kind of MB's do they have?
They were made by the company that started eMachines. I haven't seen
many newer HPs. (Not ones worth fixing) They similar designs were more
common between 2000-2005. I've seen more bad power supplies in HP
computers than any other brand I've worked on. When I get time, I will
log the brands and models in the 20 or so banana boxes of bad power
supplies I've pulled from computers over the last few years.
--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 4:58 pm
From: Jeffrey D Angus
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> I've seen more bad power supplies in HP
> computers than any other brand I've worked on.
Well, HP bought Compaq, so I suppose it shouldn't
surprise me then that the PSU in that box went tits
up after about 2 years.
Jeff
--
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity."
Frank Leahy, Head coach, Notre Dame 1941-1954
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 5:33 pm
From: "William R. Walsh"
Hi!
> I get the feeling that that is reason enough to turn around and
> run the other way, once you see the 'Bestec' name
Their 230/250 watt PC power supply has no overvoltage protection
circuit. If something goes wrong, the motherboard usually gets it. I've
found that nearly everything else (optical drive, hard disk, etc) survives.
The later 300/350 watt supplies are better and do appear to have an OVP
circuit.
I think the often-highly-questionable wiring that some people have in
their homes only serves to accelerate the demise of these supplies. Some
of the wiring messes I have come across while servicing computers are
dangerous. I'm not an electrician, so I can't fix it for someone else,
but I do strongly suggest that they have it fixed ASAP.
Out of the ones I have, some of which run 24/7, I have never lost one.
As to your hard drive, perhaps they had a virus that was resident in the
MBR or a similarly difficult-to-eradicate location? Or perhaps it really
has been damaged and is not reliable.
William
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TOPIC: Surge Protectors
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 5:34 pm
From: Cydrome Leader
Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>
>> *+-even the cheap suppressors I've bought had 3 MOVs,one for each leg to
>> *+-ground and from one leg to the other. I guess that's a "delta" config.
>>
>> Do surge supressors exist for two-line phone connections?
>>
>> WOuld it make sence to put a surge suppressor (what kind?) on my
>> incoming phone line? Neighbors have complained of fried modems, but
>> curiously I don't remember anyone ever telling mtheir computer got fried.
>
>
> There should already be one inside the phone company's Network
> Interface.
This applies to the US-
there are surge and lightning arrestors on phone lines where they enter a residence, and they're
grounded to something good, like a water pipe for instance.
It works great.
Now if lightning surges hit your power then what happens?
a cheapo-garbage "surge protector" like a power strip or the like will use MOVs to short out line
to neutral or even line to ground.
What happens if you throw a short across line to ground and can somehow clamp it to 600 volts or
whatever? The numbers are made up, but concept is the same.
well, your ground ends up at 300 volts above actual earth ground where that device is located. This
assumes your ground has the same impedance as the current carrying conductors.
So now your computer isn't really grounded, and floating at a potential way off what the phone like
is at, which worst case is being protected to a really solid ground, and not hundreds of feet or
wiring in your walls or whatever.
This is what blows up stuff like modems or devices that sit between your outlets and a phone line.
The best move is to install a service entrance surge supressor. They'll clamp surges at the best
ground you've got, with the lowest possible impedance, and at your ground/nuetral bonding point not
at your load where any attempts to do so are pretty useless across the extra fraction of an ohm.
You can easily test the resistance of your wiring at home too, and at the same time actually test
if your ground is solid.
connect some large resistive loads like halogen lamps, hairdryer, toaster oven or whatever at and
outlet. Measure the voltage drop when it's on. Break out the suicide cables and test that same
device using line to ground.
Depending on how your place is wired, you may find that under an actual load, your ground is really
awful. A volt meter won't pick crappy ground connections unless you are actually running real
current through it, so just reading 120 across hot and ground and saying "looks good" really
doesn't count.
Trying to suppress a surge with a $4 power strip connected though 5 junction boxes connected with
BX cable can really just be a big joke.
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TOPIC: Allah, CREATED THE UNIVERSE FROM NOTHING
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 5:40 pm
From: عبدلله
ÈÓã Çááå ÇáÑÍãä ÇáÑÍíã
http://ia331411.us.archive.org/3/items/TvQuran.com__1/TvQuran.com__020.mp3
Allah, CREATED THE UNIVERSE FROM NOTHING
___________________________________________
With ample evidence discovered by science, the thesis of an "infinite
universe" was tossed onto the scrap-heap of the history of scientific
ideas. Yet, more important questions were forthcoming: what existed
before the Big Bang? What force could have caused the great explosion
that resulted in a universe that did not exist before?
There is a single answer to be given to the question of what existed
before the Big Bang: Allah, the All-powerful and the Almighty, Who
created the earth and the heavens in great order. Many scientists, be
they believers or not, are obliged to admit this truth. Although they
may decline to admit this fact on scientific platforms, their
confessions in between the lines give them away. Renowned atheist
philosopher Anthony Flew says:
Notoriously, confession is good for the soul. I will therefore begin
by confessing that the Stratonician atheist has to be embarrassed by
the contemporary cosmological consensus. For it seems that the
cosmologists are providing a scientific proof of what St. Thomas
contended could not be proved philosophically; namely, that the
universe had a beginning. So long as the universe can be comfortably
thought of as being not only without end but also beginning, it
remains easy to urge that its brute existence, and whatever are found
to be its most fundamental features, should be accepted as the
explanatory ultimates. Although I believe that it remains still
correct, it certainly is neither easy nor comfortable to maintain this
position in the face of the Big Bang story. (Henry Margenau, Roy
Abraham Vargesse, Cosmos, Bios, Theos, La Salla IL: Open Court
Publishing, 1992, p. 241).
Some scientists like the British materialist physicist H. P. Lipson
confess that they have to accept the Big Bang theory whether they want
it or not:
If living matter is not, then, caused by the interplay of atoms,
natural forces, and radiation, how has it come into being?… I think,
however, that we must…admit that the only acceptable explanation is
creation. I know that this is anathema to physicists, as indeed it is
to me, but we must not reject that we do not like if the experimental
evidence supports it. (H. P. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution",
Physics Bulletin, vol. 138, 1980, p. 1 3 8 ) .
In conclusion, science points to a single reality whether materialist
scientists like it or not. Matter and time have been created by a
Creator, Who is All-Powerful and Who created the heavens, the earth
and all that is in between: Almighty Allah, .
It is Allah, Who created the seven heavens and of the earth the same
number, the Command descending down through all of them, so that you
might know that Allah, has power over all things and that Allah,
encompasses
all things in His knowledge. (Surat at-Talaq: 12)
___________________________________________________
THE PERFECT DESIGN IN THE UNIVERSE IS NOT BY CHANCE
____________________________________________________
Just think about the things you see from the moment you wake up in the
morning: the pillow under your head, the blanket over you, the alarm
clock that woke you up, the slippers you search for as soon as you get
out of bed, the window you open to get some fresh air, the clothes
hanging in your closet, the mirror you look into every morning, the
knife and fork you use for breakfast, the umbrella you take with you
when you leave the house, the elevator you get into, the key that
opens your car door, the traffic lights along the way, the billboards,
the pen, paper and other things on your desk at work...
Spend some time to consider, and it will no doubt occur to you that
each of these things was designed for a special purpose. No one would
say that it was a matter of chance that everything was where it should
be when you arose up in the morning. For example, who would claim that
merely by chance, your house key was cut exactly to fit the door? Or
that it ended up in your pocket by chance, in the first place? No one
would claim that the billboards along the road were put there by
chance, or that the meanings they intend came about by randomly
painted symbols.
By the same token, no one would deny that a staple—nothing other than
a specially shaped piece of wire on your desk—was bent and placed in
its dispenser in order to hold papers together. Each staple's metal
alloy, size, shape, and intended function show the evidence of
deliberate design. It was planned specifically to accommodate your
needs; and there's a particular reason why staples are so often found
in any office setting.
What about the people you see walking along the street? Or the trees
you pass by, the dog that runs out in front of you, the pigeons that
build their nests in the eaves of your house, the flowers on your
table, the sky above you? Could their existence be by chance, do you
think?
It would be nonsense to even consider this possibility! Everything
surrounding you, animate and inanimate alike, is too wonderful and
complex to be compared with man-made items or ever to be ascribed to
the operations of chance. Each is an example of a conscious creation,
requiring consummate intelligence and skill. Everyone who finds it
illogical to think that even a single staple came about by the proper
bending of a wire by chance, will see that it is even more impossible
that human beings, cats, birds, trees and the entire universe emerged
by chance.
But today, there are people who cannot see this clear reality. Or
rather they see it, but pretend not to. They claim that trees, birds,
clouds, houses, cars, you yourself, others around you—in short,
everything in the universe, animate and inanimate, is all the work of
blind chance.
These people, known as Materialist-Darwinists, maintain the
contradictory idea that chance occurrences can display supreme
intelligence; and that the sum total of millions of chance events,
occurring in sequence, can show creative power. According to
Materialist-Darwinists, chance events have greater intelligence than
every person in the world—no matter how many people have come and
gone. They claim that a genius called "chance" has shaped everyone's
brain, cognitive ability, judgment, memory, and countless other human
characteristics for hundreds of thousands of years.
Let us examine the irrationality of those who have entered the blind
alley of chance, ignoring the wondrous design that surrounds them as
well as the proofs of creation.
Chance Is Not A Deity: It Is Allah, Who Is The Creator Of All That
Exists
The theory of evolution puts forth the irrational claim that all
plants, animals and human beings are the result of blind, unconscious,
accidental events. Evolutionists believe that millions of years ago,
in the primal soup of the oceans or in pools of water, mindless atoms
with no knowledge, powers of reason came together in certain
proportions and later, by chance, formed the proteins and cells that
even today's scientists with the most advanced laboratory technology
have not been able to duplicate. They go so far as to say that these
cells, in their turn—and again by sheer chance—formed starfish, fish,
sparrows, hawks, seagulls, penguins, cats, lambs, lions, and even
human beings who possess the faculty of reason.
To demonstrate just how incredible the claims of evolutionists are,
let anyone who believes in the creative power of chance events take a
large barrel. Let them put into it however much material they believe
is required to form a living thing. For example, let them include all
the needed elements—carbon, phosphorus, calcium—as well as organic
compounds like amino acids, proteins, lipids, and carotene. Then let
them add to this mixture whatever outside influence they choose. For
example, heat or chill the barrel. Let it be struck by lightning or
apply electric current. Let them stir the mixture with whatever
advanced devices they may have. In addition, let them stand guard on
this barrel transferring this responsibility from father to son for
millions, even billions, of years. And so as to increase the chances
of success, let them control the mixing at every moment. Let them
consult with others; meet with the world's foremost biologists,
geneticists, physicists and experts on evolution. Leave them free to
produce whatever conditions they deem necessary to originate life.
Yet despite all this serious, conscious effort, they'll never be able
to produce anything like a living being in that barrel. No matter what
they do, they'll never be able to produce the living things pictured
in this book.
Let those atoms in that barrel perform any reactions they want; never
will they begin an "evolution" capable of producing brilliant
scientists
discoverers;scientists able to examine under
electron microscopes the molecules and atoms out of which they
themselves are composed; talented actors li celebrities
those who take pleasure in symmetry,
esthetics and harmonious colors; those able to design automobiles and
write books; thinkers with faculties of logic and judgment; human
beings able to retain in memory what they have learned, share
longings, feel excitement and pleasure; who are possessed with a sense
of love, mercy and compassion; who enjoy the taste of food and whose
appetite is stimulated by a cake baking in the oven; who laugh at
something funny and enjoy being with their friends; who can defend an
idea and carry on a discussion.
Bring unconscious atoms together in whatever way you prefer. Never
will they be able to bring about a single one of these living things,
or even one of their cells.
If so—if no living thing can ever be produced by human effort and the
whole pool of human knowledge—how can life be brought into being with
the aid of unconscious atoms and chance events? Any intelligent human
being of conscience can certainly understand that he—and other living
things—cannot be the result of chance events. Every intelligent,
unprejudiced person with a conscience knows that Allah, has created
all
these living things with His incomparable power.
Regrettably, a segment of the population has accepted this irrational
scenario throughout the 20th century. Professors, scientists and
teachers may ridicule the "primitive" beliefs of pagan societies,
while themselves accepting the nonsense of evolution. In this, they're
equally as benighted as those human beings who expect a wooden idol
can help them. God's Messenger, the Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon
him, also reminded anyone afflicted with such blindness that the
greatest sin is associating His creatures with Allah,:
The most severe sin is to associate partners with Allah, while He has
created you. (Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim)
In the Qur'an (29:17), Allah, warns those who worship idols and invent
lies about them that their power is strong enough to do anything:
Al-Ankaboot
QUOTE
And verily we sent Noah (as Our messenger) unto his folk, and he
continued with them for a thousand years save fifty years; and the
flood engulfed them, for they were wrong-doers. (14) And We rescued
him and those with him in the ship, and made of it a portent for the
peoples. (15) And Abraham! (Remember) when he said unto his folk:
Serve Allah, and keep your duty unto Him; that is better for you if ye
did but know. (16) Ye serve instead of Allah only idols, and ye only
invent a lie. Lo! those whom ye serve instead of Allah own no
provision for you. So seek your provision from Allah, and serve Him,
and give thanks unto Him, (for) unto Him ye will be brought back. (17)
But if ye deny, then nations have denied before you. The messenger is
only to convey (the message) plainly. ( 1 8 ) See they not how Allah
produceth creation, then reproduceth it? Lo! for Allah that is easy.
(19) Say (O Muhammad): Travel in the land and see how He originated
creation, then Allah bringeth forth the later growth. Lo! Allah is
Able to do all things. (20) He punisheth whom He will and showeth
mercy unto whom He will, and unto Him ye will be turned. (21) Ye
cannot escape (from Him) in the earth or in the sky, and beside Allah
there is for you no friend nor helper. (22) Those who disbelieve in
the revelations of Allah and in (their) Meeting with Him, such have no
hope of My mercy. For such there is a painful doom. (23) But the
answer of his folk was only that they said: "Kill him" or "Burn him."
Then Allah saved him from the Fire. Lo! herein verily are portents for
folk who believe. (24) He said: Ye have chosen only idols instead of
Allah. The love between you is only in the life of the world. Then on
the Day of Resurrection ye will deny each other and curse each other,
and your abode will be the Fire, and ye will have no helpers. (25)
--------------------
What's The Purpose of life ?
Here you will get the answer :
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/purpose.htm
or
THE COLLAPSE OF THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION IN 20 QUESTIONS
http://newaninvitationtothetruth.blogspot.com/
OR
Islam Guide: A Brief Illustrated Guide to Understanding Islam,
Muslims, & the Quran
or
The quran miracles encyclopedia
or
((( Acquainted With Islam )))
http://aslam-ahmd.blogspot.com/
or
The Religion of Islam
or
converts
http://converts-ahmd.blogspot.com
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 5:43 pm
From: Sjouke Burry
ÚÈÏááå wrote:
Ah! another fanatic shouting in the street
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TOPIC: HELP:Measuring refresh rate of PCBs
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/786bc4e68b01617e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 5:52 pm
From: who where
On Sat, 29 May 2010 15:15:36 +0200, "Caius" <briccus@yahoo.it> wrote:
>
><stratus46@yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>news:2e43c598-7127-469b-8e55-264cf7d6285d@o12g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>On May 27, 8:49 am,
>You cannot make that assumption without a scope which unfortunately
>you don't have. I'm only guessing but I bet your video has bad low
>frequency tilt which shows of as the 'DC' of the back porch wandering
>all over the place. Cause: bad capacitors somewhere in the video
>chain. IIRC the Gennum chip includes clamps to guarantee sampling at
>50% of the sync pulse meaning it's more tolerant of poor video. The
>scope would tell all.
>
>G²
>
>Ok, thanks.Sadly the video (R,G,B ground + SYNC) is from arcade videogame
>pcb, so I assume they have all poor video signal???
>I 'd wan to try the Gennum GS4981 but it seems unfindable...
?? have you tried their website? Google "gennum gs4981" and first
hit. Then go to the "buy from distributor" or "get free sample"
(sounds better) link at
http://www.gennum.com/buy/sales-network
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TOPIC: Monica Pignotti: Off Her Rails (again)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/85ffd993406f3bbe?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 5:59 pm
From: George Orwell
Monica Pignotti is working as a substitute teacher.
She continues, without much success, her Craigslist sex ad business:
http://practitionersofquackery.wordpress.com/2009/09/04/is-there-hope-for-monica-pignotti/
http://virtualsodium.wordpress.com/2010/05/23/monica-pignotti-88-posts-not-seven-days-in-may/
Il mittente di questo messaggio|The sender address of this
non corrisponde ad un utente |message is not related to a real
reale ma all'indirizzo fittizio|person but to a fake address of an
di un sistema anonimizzatore |anonymous system
Per maggiori informazioni |For more info
https://www.mixmaster.it
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TOPIC: Descrambling PDF to Text conversion (long)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/a688dec46bc66135?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 9:20 pm
From: vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
strings -n2 x.pdf
Is the command to debinary a pdf file in unix
- = -
Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
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