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Today's topics:

* Fuse or fusible resistor? - 11 messages, 10 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/2017b4927dae47ef?hl=en
* Fire ants - computer bugs - 8 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/7eecdfe1b1971fbf?hl=en
* Teac AG-790 has me stumped... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/19f1f1c9d95691fb?hl=en
* Slightly OT - Apple OS4 on 2G Touch ... - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/7e38c57ec16b1c11?hl=en
* Patrick Jost: Leading Anal Sex Assault Tour in Asia - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/7f716a4735c584bf?hl=en

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TOPIC: Fuse or fusible resistor?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/2017b4927dae47ef?hl=en
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 12:27 am
From: DaveC

> I take it , that its blown and I also take it that its not charred (fusible
> R don't char or even discolour AFAIK)

No, I don't have one. I threw it out with the old battery. :-(
Someone on-line volunteered to describe the one from his scope.
I'll not ask him to do a post-mortem on a working fuse. ;-)

Thanks,
Dave

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 1:36 am
From: Robert Baer

DaveC wrote:
> Used in the battery (-) lead of a handheld scope. Schematics unpublished.
>
> Physically similar to a 1/4 W resistor, color light green. Marked "IE7A" or
> "1E7A".
>
> Google returns slim results, none promising.
>
> What type is this?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
Fuse.
Ratings of these beasts in equipment is almost NEVER disclosed - like
a company secret more precious than any other secret they have.
Measure current draw and see what the maximum is during any
operations, double that for a guide in choosing "first guess" replacement.

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 1:45 am
From: Pieyed Piper

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 01:36:38 -0700, Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com>
wrote:

>DaveC wrote:
>> Used in the battery (-) lead of a handheld scope. Schematics unpublished.
>>
>> Physically similar to a 1/4 W resistor, color light green. Marked "IE7A" or
>> "1E7A".
>>
>> Google returns slim results, none promising.
>>
>> What type is this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
>>
> Fuse.
> Ratings of these beasts in equipment is almost NEVER disclosed - like
>a company secret more precious than any other secret they have.
> Measure current draw and see what the maximum is during any
>operations, double that for a guide in choosing "first guess" replacement.

The axial leaded jobs I have seen in hair dryers are high current jobs
with reed switches inside them. Not the soft break jobs.

The biggest soft device I recall was 3 Amps.

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 8:34 am
From: Salmon Egg

In article <3upd265udo81jog5tk6khrgnf9gsc2d4q2@4ax.com>,
Pieyed Piper <pieyedPiper@thebongshopattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

> I should have figured that not a goddamned soul actually tried to answer
> the question.

Could that be because no one knew what tghe question was?

Idiot

--
An old man would be better off never having been born.

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 8:41 am
From: Pieyed Piper

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 08:34:26 -0700, Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>In article <3upd265udo81jog5tk6khrgnf9gsc2d4q2@4ax.com>,
> Pieyed Piper <pieyedPiper@thebongshopattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
>
>> I should have figured that not a goddamned soul actually tried to answer
>> the question.
>
>Could that be because no one knew what tghe question was?

If you cannot glean the question from that, you are not only too
goddamned retarded to be answering it, you are too goddamned retarded to
be in the group at all, much less being here, acting like you have half a
fucking brain.
>
>Idiot

Nice sig, dumbfuck. It fits you perfectly.

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 8:51 am
From: Fester Bestertester

> Ratings of these beasts in equipment is almost NEVER disclosed - like
> a company secret more precious than any other secret they have.

And that's why markings are so important. You can circumvent any need to
measure.

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 9:17 am
From: Lostgallifreyan

Fester Bestertester <fbt@fbt.net> wrote in
news:0001HW.C84CC1A60139E3FEB01AD9AF@news.eternal-september.org:

>> Ratings of these beasts in equipment is almost NEVER disclosed - like
>> a company secret more precious than any other secret they have.
>
> And that's why markings are so important. You can circumvent any need to
> measure.
>
>

Oh man, has science really come to this? >:)

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 9:37 am
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Salmon Egg" <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:SalmonEgg-E4DEAF.21564326062010@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article
> <0001HW.C84C25A9011554E5B01AD9AF@news.eternal-september.org>,
> DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>> Used in the battery (-) lead of a handheld scope. Schematics unpublished.
>>
>> Physically similar to a 1/4 W resistor, color light green. Marked "IE7A"
>> or
>> "1E7A".
>>
>> Google returns slim results, none promising.
>>
>> What type is this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
>
> USE COMPLETE SENTENCES!
>
> --
> An old man would be better off never having been born.

They are complete s

Just not ones that you

What I am writing, are incomplete sen

And don't

We don't like that on sci

Arf

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 9:43 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

DaveC wrote:
>
> Used in the battery (-) lead of a handheld scope. Schematics unpublished.
>
> Physically similar to a 1/4 W resistor, color light green. Marked "IE7A" or
> "1E7A".
>
> Google returns slim results, none promising.
>
> What type is this?

<http://www.littelfuse.com/data/en/Product_Catalogs/Chapter10SurfaceMountFuses.pdf>
and several other fuse manufacturers list E as .375A. If you read the
data sheets, you should be able to determine what family you need.

--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 10:03 am
From: "Tim Williams"

"DaveC" <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in message news:0001HW.C84C25A9011554E5B01AD9AF@news.eternal-september.org...
> Used in the battery (-) lead of a handheld scope. Schematics unpublished.
>
> Physically similar to a 1/4 W resistor, color light green. Marked "IE7A" or
> "1E7A".

Obviously, it's 10,000,000 amperes ;^)

Tim

--
Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk.
Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 12:08 pm
From: Jamie

Tim Williams wrote:

> "DaveC" <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in message news:0001HW.C84C25A9011554E5B01AD9AF@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>>Used in the battery (-) lead of a handheld scope. Schematics unpublished.
>>
>>Physically similar to a 1/4 W resistor, color light green. Marked "IE7A" or
>>"1E7A".
>
>
> Obviously, it's 10,000,000 amperes ;^)
>
> Tim
>
good one :)

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TOPIC: Fire ants - computer bugs
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/7eecdfe1b1971fbf?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 1:12 am
From: DaveC

> Watched a nature TV prog on swarming behavior.

> Diverse Devices, Southampton, England

Which show? On the Beeb?

Thanks,
Dave

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 1:37 am
From: "N_Cook"

DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C84C55EC0120A490B01AD9AF@news.eternal-september.org...
> > Watched a nature TV prog on swarming behavior.
>
> > Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
>
> Which show? On the Beeb?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>

The "queen bee" was quite impressive

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00gkrm2
Synopsis

This documentary reveals the awe-inspiring world of animal swarms,
discovering what happens when superswarms invade people's lives and, using
the latest camera techniques, going to the heart of the swarm to reveal how
the creatures therein view our world.

Real-life footage from camcorders and mobile phones captures the amazing
impact they can have. Killer bees mount an attack on an international
football match in Costa Rica; in the US the Illinois River boils with
leaping silver carp, an alien species that has hijacked the river, smashing
into boats and injuring people.

In South Australia a sea of mice raids farms, consuming and destroying in
their millions on a scale that defies belief. The largest swarm on Earth
erupts from Lake Victoria: trillions of flies blanket villages but the
locals have learnt to turn the swarm into a highly nutritious fly burger. In
Rome, cameras fly alongside ten million starlings, the largest swarm in
Europe. Their mesmeric waves stop many residents in their tracks, but as
they roost they smother the city in tons of excrement.

One man has learnt to control the ultimate swarm. He has become their 'queen
bee' with startling results, learning to control what most people fear and
to understand one of the most incredible forces of nature.

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://diverse.4mg.com/index.htm

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 8:36 am
From: Meat Plow

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:59:49 +0100, N_Cook ǝʇoɹʍ:

> Watched a nature TV prog on swarming behavior. Apparently these ants
> have stowed away on planes and taken up residence in airports in S USA
> states , infesting computers in air traffic systems etc. No mention in
> the program why jungle creatures have electric charge sensors in their
> antenna (stated in the narration) but they naturally home in on live
> circuit boards apparently and then swarm all over, causing mayhem.
> Anyone have any operational experience of pc failure due to swarms of
> fire ants ?

I purchased an Anteater for insurance against a fire ant attack on my
electronics.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 8:44 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

>> Watched a nature TV prog on swarming behavior. Apparently these
>> ants have stowed away on planes and taken up residence in airports
>> in S USA states, infesting computers in air traffic systems, etc. No
>> mention in the program why jungle creatures have electric-charge
>> sensors in their antenna (stated in the narration) but they naturally
>> home in on live circuit boards apparently and then swarm all over,
>> causing mayhem. Anyone have any operational experience of PC
>> failure due to swarms of fire ants?

> I purchased an anteater for insurance against a fire ant attack on my
> electronics.

But won't the anteater's saliva leave conductive traces on the board? These
could cause anything from minor problems to catastrophic failure.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 8:45 am
From: Ron

On 27/06/2010 16:36, Meat Plow wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:59:49 +0100, N_Cook ǝʇoɹʍ:
>
>> Watched a nature TV prog on swarming behavior. Apparently these ants
>> have stowed away on planes and taken up residence in airports in S USA
>> states , infesting computers in air traffic systems etc. No mention in
>> the program why jungle creatures have electric charge sensors in their
>> antenna (stated in the narration) but they naturally home in on live
>> circuit boards apparently and then swarm all over, causing mayhem.
>> Anyone have any operational experience of pc failure due to swarms of
>> fire ants ?
>
> I purchased an Anteater for insurance against a fire ant attack on my
> electronics.
you know what they say, aardvark never killed anybody

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 9:15 am
From: DaveC

> The "queen bee" was quite impressive
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00gkrm2

I don't understand BBC's iPlayer archive. There's many programs that play
live on B1-B4 that aren't available for replay from the iPlayer archive.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 10:03 am
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:59:49 +0100, "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk>
wrote:

>Anyone have any operational experience of pc failure due to swarms of fire
>ants ?

Not fire ants. I had a radio site invaded by carpenter ants that
eventually required replacing all the wood walls (former Nike site)
with concrete block. They never got near the radios, but made a mess
of the electrical conduit by using it for transit. I have photos
somewhere. They also got into the TV antenna amplifier. Nothing was
eaten, but they secreted some kind of acid, that ate the copper
traces.

More:
<http://www.hackvan.com/pub/stig/funny/geek/ants-in-the-machine>

Locally, we have banana slugs.
<http://www.google.com/images?q=banana+slug>
They'll eat most anything, but really prefer to eat service manuals. A
connoisseur slug invaded my shop and only ate the older Motorola
service manuals. Others prefer the sticky labels on my storage boxes,
post it notes, and white cardboard. The only good news is that they
also eat dog droppings. They're big enough to spot easily, but my
mess offers good hiding places.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 10:10 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> They'll eat most anything, but prefer to eat service
> manuals. A connoisseur slug invaded my shop and
> only ate the older Motorola service manuals.

Gives a whole new meaning to "Motoblur". (You see, slugs move slowly, and...
never mind.)

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TOPIC: Teac AG-790 has me stumped...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/19f1f1c9d95691fb?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 8:34 am
From: Baron

William R. Walsh Inscribed thus:

> I'm about to give up...
>
> I received a Teac AG-790 stereo receiver with burn damage to the PCB
> underneath resistors 7R41, 7R47, 7R?? (unmarked, next to 7R47) and
> 7R48. I repaired all of this damage, cleaned up the carbon that had
> been left behind and soldered to the nearest remaining good portion of
> the board.
>
> Up to this point, the receiver did what it has done since I got it. It
> played through the right channel only.
>
> I kept on looking and found a capacitor at location 7C27 (220uF, 16V)
> that had blown out the rubber plug at the bottom. So I replaced that.
> Now nothing works. I know the new cap to be good. The unit will power
> up just as it always has, there are no blown fuses and my repair job
> seems to be bulletproof (and correct, per the schematic in the service
> manual). The audio is gone, replaced only by a faint humming on
> speakers and headphones alike, in the right channel. Turning the
> volume dial does not change this. There is still nothing from the left
> channel. The unit is not in protection and nothing is getting hot,
> burning up or worse.
>
> In addition, the display on the front of the unit will now indicate
> "E0" (or maybe it's an O...no way to tell). This is not mentioned in
> the service manual, nor did I find anything in a web search.
> Operations from the front panel remain possible.
>
> I'm beginning to think that it may be too far gone to fix. Anyone out
> there with an eleventh hour idea?
>
> William

Just asking, you did put the cap in the right way round !

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 9:47 am
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Baron" <baron.nospam@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:i07qvk$dja$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> William R. Walsh Inscribed thus:
>
>> I'm about to give up...
>>
>> I received a Teac AG-790 stereo receiver with burn damage to the PCB
>> underneath resistors 7R41, 7R47, 7R?? (unmarked, next to 7R47) and
>> 7R48. I repaired all of this damage, cleaned up the carbon that had
>> been left behind and soldered to the nearest remaining good portion of
>> the board.
>>
>> Up to this point, the receiver did what it has done since I got it. It
>> played through the right channel only.
>>
>> I kept on looking and found a capacitor at location 7C27 (220uF, 16V)
>> that had blown out the rubber plug at the bottom. So I replaced that.
>> Now nothing works. I know the new cap to be good. The unit will power
>> up just as it always has, there are no blown fuses and my repair job
>> seems to be bulletproof (and correct, per the schematic in the service
>> manual). The audio is gone, replaced only by a faint humming on
>> speakers and headphones alike, in the right channel. Turning the
>> volume dial does not change this. There is still nothing from the left
>> channel. The unit is not in protection and nothing is getting hot,
>> burning up or worse.
>>
>> In addition, the display on the front of the unit will now indicate
>> "E0" (or maybe it's an O...no way to tell). This is not mentioned in
>> the service manual, nor did I find anything in a web search.
>> Operations from the front panel remain possible.
>>
>> I'm beginning to think that it may be too far gone to fix. Anyone out
>> there with an eleventh hour idea?
>>
>> William
>
> Just asking, you did put the cap in the right way round !
>
> --
> Best Regards:
> Baron.

Agreed on that, but seems to me that the fundamental question is not being
asked. In what part of the circuit is the replaced cap ? Can you determine
its exact function from the schematics ?

Knowing that may be helpful to assess whether there may be an immediated
connection between the previous and current symptoms, or whether we're in
'red herring' territory here ...

Arfa

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TOPIC: Slightly OT - Apple OS4 on 2G Touch ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/7e38c57ec16b1c11?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 8:39 am
From: Meat Plow

On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 19:54:41 -0700, Jeff Liebermann ǝʇoɹʍ:

> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 01:31:41 +0100, "Arfa Daily"
> <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>I've definitely isolated it now. It wasn't the "Location Services", it
>>was "Notifications" as someone else suggested it might be. I now have
>>wifi set back "ON" and location services set back "ON", and everything
>>is just fine. Battery life is absolutely normal. As soon as you switch
>>"Notifications" back on, the battery rinsing starts. I haven't a clue
>>what it is for, and I'm sure I don't remember seeing it being on, or
>>even actually there ?? in the previous version of OS that was installed
>>before the iOS 4 upgrade. Anyway there is no problem with operation or
>>battery with it off, so off it will stay ... :-)
>
> <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3576>
> Push Notifications are messages from applications that go merrily out to
> the internet to see if there's anything worth bugging you about. The
> notifications can appear BEFORE you smear the screen with "slide to
> unlock". Under Nofifications, I have eTrade and eBay notifications
> enabled on mine. I get plenty of notifications from both of these apps.
>
> However, it doesn't kill my battery. I leave 15 minute Notifications on
> continuously, and my battery level is roughly where I left it the
> previous night. No unusual drain from Notifications that I can see and
> I have a rather old battery.
>
> If you don't see any applications listed under Notifications, then turn
> it off. You don't need it. If you do want the listed apps to bug you
> when appropriate, leave it on.

Wonder why these would 'rinse' Arf's battery and not yours?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 9:36 am
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 15:39:12 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow
<mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3576>
(...)
>> If you don't see any applications listed under Notifications, then turn
>> it off. You don't need it. If you do want the listed apps to bug you
>> when appropriate, leave it on.
>
>Wonder why these would 'rinse' Arf's battery and not yours?

Why? It's an Apple product. It's so intuitive and easy, you don't
need to know why.

I ran a crude test last night. At midnight, my iPod Touch 2G showed
97% battery charge (using iSystemPro). 9 hrs later, it's at 89%.
Notification is set to check my stocks and eBay items every 15 minutes
via Wi-Fi.

Here's another app to help run the battery down:
<https://www.ihoundsoftware.com/ihound/template/iPhone.vm>
Much like LoJack for iPod Touch, iPad, etc. I just installed it.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 9:52 am
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2010.06.27.15.40.10@gmail.com...
> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 19:54:41 -0700, Jeff Liebermann ǝʇoɹʍ:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 01:31:41 +0100, "Arfa Daily"
>> <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I've definitely isolated it now. It wasn't the "Location Services", it
>>>was "Notifications" as someone else suggested it might be. I now have
>>>wifi set back "ON" and location services set back "ON", and everything
>>>is just fine. Battery life is absolutely normal. As soon as you switch
>>>"Notifications" back on, the battery rinsing starts. I haven't a clue
>>>what it is for, and I'm sure I don't remember seeing it being on, or
>>>even actually there ?? in the previous version of OS that was installed
>>>before the iOS 4 upgrade. Anyway there is no problem with operation or
>>>battery with it off, so off it will stay ... :-)
>>
>> <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3576>
>> Push Notifications are messages from applications that go merrily out to
>> the internet to see if there's anything worth bugging you about. The
>> notifications can appear BEFORE you smear the screen with "slide to
>> unlock". Under Nofifications, I have eTrade and eBay notifications
>> enabled on mine. I get plenty of notifications from both of these apps.
>>
>> However, it doesn't kill my battery. I leave 15 minute Notifications on
>> continuously, and my battery level is roughly where I left it the
>> previous night. No unusual drain from Notifications that I can see and
>> I have a rather old battery.
>>
>> If you don't see any applications listed under Notifications, then turn
>> it off. You don't need it. If you do want the listed apps to bug you
>> when appropriate, leave it on.
>
> Wonder why these would 'rinse' Arf's battery and not yours?

Yes, it's odd, but it is definitely the cause. There was one app listed,
which is a Caesars Las Vegas 'in house' thing. I don't recall it ever having
told me anything though. It's been on my Touch for a long time, and has
never caused a problem in the past. It's not an app that I use anyway, so
maybe I'll just remove it .

Arfa

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