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TOPIC: SMPS Clicking...
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 12:43 am
From: "N_Cook"

<PlainBill47@yawho.com> wrote in message
news:5f0sa6dr1m0falp5kdhcmvc2mdhj30iqtr@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:49:25 +0900, "Michael Kennedy" <mike@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Mark Zacharias" <mark_zacharias@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:4cadb755$0$1752$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com...
> >> "Michael Kennedy" <mike@com> wrote in message
> >> news:_PidnbvlitJd_TDRnZ2dnVY3gomdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >>> Sorry if this is a bit of a novice question...
> >>>
> >>> I have a SMPS in Plsama tv which upon powering up starts clicking...
It
> >>> seems to do it as it warms up or the load changes on the psu (screen
> >>> going dark or getting light)
> >>>
> >>> As far as I can tell it isnt any relay doing this, even though It
sounds
> >>> like a relay.
> >>>
> >>> Ticking alone I could live with, although a bit annoying but the PSU
also
> >>> occasionally shuts down when cold. I am not 100% sure what is
clicking..
> >>> The clicking noise seems to be coming from different locations at
> >>> dfferent times, even possibly the X or Y sus boards.
> >>>
> >>> I have sprayed the whole thing down with freeze spray to no avail...
It
> >>> is built with PBF solder, so I guess bad solder joints are likely
issue
> >>> also.
> >>>
> >>> I have changed the obvious capacitors near heat sources excpet the two
> >>> large 400v 250uf filter caps.. Removed and checked the filter caps and
> >>> they checked good on my ESR meter.
> >>>
> >>> Any Idea what would be clikcing? Here is the board layout
> >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/chibamikey/PSU.JPG>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> I have seen similar issues on Samsung plasmas resulting from bad solder
> >> connections at some switching transistors near the middle of the board.
> >> The eyelets are too small and need to be scraped a bit to enlarge them
> >> before resoldering. The board does look similar to yours. Maybe you'll
get
> >> lucky.
> >> If not solder connections in there somewhere, failing capacitors would
be
> >> the likely culprit, although this problem has been much more common on
LCD
> >> sets. Plasmas I've seen don't seem to use the really cheap caps.
> >>
> >> Mark Z.
> >
> >
> >Thanks you suggested that before.. I will get a closer look at the
> >transistors and check out those eyelits.. I havent doent that yet, and
> >probably would have forgot had you not replied.
> >
> >
> >
> >About the ticking.. It doesn't stop even with the power removed. It is
> >almost if something is expanding and contracting, but makes the sound
> >equilivant of a relay?!
> >
> >The really strange part is it doesn't seem to come from one consistant
> >place..

> >
> Power removed or TV turned off? If it continues long after the set is
> turned off (but still connected to AC power) it is something in the
> standby power section of the main power supply.
>
> If it continues for hours after the set is unplugged, it's probably a
> cricket.
>
> PlainBill

In the UK there is some bug that clicks , regular clicks when active, but
not continuously, comes and goes at random. If , when it is in tapping mood,
you tap near wherever it is hiding, it stops abrubtly, presumably thinking
its found a mate. Not death-watch beatle as not in timber

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 5:54 am
From: Jim Yanik

PlainBill47@yawho.com wrote in
news:5f0sa6dr1m0falp5kdhcmvc2mdhj30iqtr@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:49:25 +0900, "Michael Kennedy" <mike@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mark Zacharias" <mark_zacharias@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>news:4cadb755$0$1752$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com...
>>> "Michael Kennedy" <mike@com> wrote in message
>>> news:_PidnbvlitJd_TDRnZ2dnVY3gomdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> Sorry if this is a bit of a novice question...
>>>>
>>>> I have a SMPS in Plsama tv which upon powering up starts
>>>> clicking... It seems to do it as it warms up or the load changes on
>>>> the psu (screen going dark or getting light)
>>>>
>>>> As far as I can tell it isnt any relay doing this, even though It
>>>> sounds like a relay.
>>>>
>>>> Ticking alone I could live with, although a bit annoying but the
>>>> PSU also occasionally shuts down when cold. I am not 100% sure what
>>>> is clicking.. The clicking noise seems to be coming from different
>>>> locations at dfferent times, even possibly the X or Y sus boards.
>>>>
>>>> I have sprayed the whole thing down with freeze spray to no
>>>> avail... It is built with PBF solder, so I guess bad solder joints
>>>> are likely issue also.
>>>>
>>>> I have changed the obvious capacitors near heat sources excpet the
>>>> two large 400v 250uf filter caps.. Removed and checked the filter
>>>> caps and they checked good on my ESR meter.
>>>>
>>>> Any Idea what would be clikcing? Here is the board layout
>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/chibamikey/PSU.JPG>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have seen similar issues on Samsung plasmas resulting from bad
>>> solder connections at some switching transistors near the middle of
>>> the board. The eyelets are too small and need to be scraped a bit to
>>> enlarge them before resoldering. The board does look similar to
>>> yours. Maybe you'll get lucky.
>>> If not solder connections in there somewhere, failing capacitors
>>> would be the likely culprit, although this problem has been much
>>> more common on LCD sets. Plasmas I've seen don't seem to use the
>>> really cheap caps.
>>>
>>> Mark Z.
>>
>>
>>Thanks you suggested that before.. I will get a closer look at the
>>transistors and check out those eyelits.. I havent doent that yet, and
>>probably would have forgot had you not replied.
>>
>>
>>
>>About the ticking.. It doesn't stop even with the power removed. It
>>is almost if something is expanding and contracting, but makes the
>>sound equilivant of a relay?!
>>
>>The really strange part is it doesn't seem to come from one consistant
>>place.. :(
>>
> Power removed or TV turned off? If it continues long after the set is
> turned off (but still connected to AC power) it is something in the
> standby power section of the main power supply.
>
> If it continues for hours after the set is unplugged, it's probably a
> cricket.
>
> PlainBill
>

the ticking could be the PS current limiting and restarting:I've heard that
in lots of TEKTRONIX switchers. It should only last as long as the charge
in the mains filter caps.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 7:05 am
From: "N_Cook"

N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:i8mi0f$3p1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> <PlainBill47@yawho.com> wrote in message
> news:5f0sa6dr1m0falp5kdhcmvc2mdhj30iqtr@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:49:25 +0900, "Michael Kennedy" <mike@nospam.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Mark Zacharias" <mark_zacharias@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > >news:4cadb755$0$1752$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com...
> > >> "Michael Kennedy" <mike@com> wrote in message
> > >> news:_PidnbvlitJd_TDRnZ2dnVY3gomdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> > >>> Sorry if this is a bit of a novice question...
> > >>>
> > >>> I have a SMPS in Plsama tv which upon powering up starts
clicking...
> It
> > >>> seems to do it as it warms up or the load changes on the psu (screen
> > >>> going dark or getting light)
> > >>>
> > >>> As far as I can tell it isnt any relay doing this, even though It
> sounds
> > >>> like a relay.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ticking alone I could live with, although a bit annoying but the PSU
> also
> > >>> occasionally shuts down when cold. I am not 100% sure what is
> clicking..
> > >>> The clicking noise seems to be coming from different locations at
> > >>> dfferent times, even possibly the X or Y sus boards.
> > >>>
> > >>> I have sprayed the whole thing down with freeze spray to no avail...
> It
> > >>> is built with PBF solder, so I guess bad solder joints are likely
> issue
> > >>> also.
> > >>>
> > >>> I have changed the obvious capacitors near heat sources excpet the
two
> > >>> large 400v 250uf filter caps.. Removed and checked the filter caps
and
> > >>> they checked good on my ESR meter.
> > >>>
> > >>> Any Idea what would be clikcing? Here is the board layout
> > >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/chibamikey/PSU.JPG>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> I have seen similar issues on Samsung plasmas resulting from bad
solder
> > >> connections at some switching transistors near the middle of the
board.
> > >> The eyelets are too small and need to be scraped a bit to enlarge
them
> > >> before resoldering. The board does look similar to yours. Maybe
you'll
> get
> > >> lucky.
> > >> If not solder connections in there somewhere, failing capacitors
would
> be
> > >> the likely culprit, although this problem has been much more common
on
> LCD
> > >> sets. Plasmas I've seen don't seem to use the really cheap caps.
> > >>
> > >> Mark Z.
> > >
> > >
> > >Thanks you suggested that before.. I will get a closer look at the
> > >transistors and check out those eyelits.. I havent doent that yet, and
> > >probably would have forgot had you not replied.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >About the ticking.. It doesn't stop even with the power removed. It is
> > >almost if something is expanding and contracting, but makes the sound
> > >equilivant of a relay?!
> > >
> > >The really strange part is it doesn't seem to come from one consistant
> > >place..
>
> > >
> > Power removed or TV turned off? If it continues long after the set is
> > turned off (but still connected to AC power) it is something in the
> > standby power section of the main power supply.
> >
> > If it continues for hours after the set is unplugged, it's probably a
> > cricket.
> >
> > PlainBill
>
>
> In the UK there is some bug that clicks , regular clicks when active, but
> not continuously, comes and goes at random. If , when it is in tapping
mood,
> you tap near wherever it is hiding, it stops abrubtly, presumably thinking
> its found a mate. Not death-watch beatle as not in timber
>
>

perhaps the insect that does this is called a tick

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 11:16 am
From: "Michael Kennedy"

"jeanyves" <no-pub-for-jypochez@free.fr> wrote in message
news:4cae249a$0$30015$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
> On 2010-10-07 07:55:49 +0200, "Michael Kennedy" <mike@com> said:
>
>> Sorry if this is a bit of a novice question...
>>
>> I have a SMPS in Plsama tv which upon powering up starts clicking... It
>> seems to do it as it warms up or the load changes on the psu (screen
>> going dark or getting light)
>>
>> As far as I can tell it isnt any relay doing this, even though It sounds
>> like a relay.
>>
>> Ticking alone I could live with, although a bit annoying but the PSU also
>> occasionally shuts down when cold. I am not 100% sure what is clicking..
>> The clicking noise seems to be coming from different locations at
>> dfferent times, even possibly the X or Y sus boards.
>>
>> I have sprayed the whole thing down with freeze spray to no avail... It
>> is built with PBF solder, so I guess bad solder joints are likely issue
>> also.
>>
>> I have changed the obvious capacitors near heat sources excpet the two
>> large 400v 250uf filter caps.. Removed and checked the filter caps and
>> they checked good on my ESR meter.
>>
>> Any Idea what would be clikcing? Here is the board layout
>> <https://sites.google.com/site/chibamikey/PSU.JPG>
>
> I would change the main 400v capacitor
> clicks means this capacitor is almost dry ...
> regards,
> --
> -
> Jean-Yves
>

Well thats good advice, but it appears that they are good. I checked them
with my esr meter out of circuit and they both have an esr of 0.12 ohms.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 12:55 pm
From: PlainBill47@yawho.com

On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 07:54:51 -0500, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov>
wrote:

>PlainBill47@yawho.com wrote in
>news:5f0sa6dr1m0falp5kdhcmvc2mdhj30iqtr@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:49:25 +0900, "Michael Kennedy" <mike@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Mark Zacharias" <mark_zacharias@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>news:4cadb755$0$1752$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com...
>>>> "Michael Kennedy" <mike@com> wrote in message
>>>> news:_PidnbvlitJd_TDRnZ2dnVY3gomdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> Sorry if this is a bit of a novice question...
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a SMPS in Plsama tv which upon powering up starts
>>>>> clicking... It seems to do it as it warms up or the load changes on
>>>>> the psu (screen going dark or getting light)
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I can tell it isnt any relay doing this, even though It
>>>>> sounds like a relay.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ticking alone I could live with, although a bit annoying but the
>>>>> PSU also occasionally shuts down when cold. I am not 100% sure what
>>>>> is clicking.. The clicking noise seems to be coming from different
>>>>> locations at dfferent times, even possibly the X or Y sus boards.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have sprayed the whole thing down with freeze spray to no
>>>>> avail... It is built with PBF solder, so I guess bad solder joints
>>>>> are likely issue also.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have changed the obvious capacitors near heat sources excpet the
>>>>> two large 400v 250uf filter caps.. Removed and checked the filter
>>>>> caps and they checked good on my ESR meter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any Idea what would be clikcing? Here is the board layout
>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/chibamikey/PSU.JPG>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have seen similar issues on Samsung plasmas resulting from bad
>>>> solder connections at some switching transistors near the middle of
>>>> the board. The eyelets are too small and need to be scraped a bit to
>>>> enlarge them before resoldering. The board does look similar to
>>>> yours. Maybe you'll get lucky.
>>>> If not solder connections in there somewhere, failing capacitors
>>>> would be the likely culprit, although this problem has been much
>>>> more common on LCD sets. Plasmas I've seen don't seem to use the
>>>> really cheap caps.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Z.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks you suggested that before.. I will get a closer look at the
>>>transistors and check out those eyelits.. I havent doent that yet, and
>>>probably would have forgot had you not replied.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>About the ticking.. It doesn't stop even with the power removed. It
>>>is almost if something is expanding and contracting, but makes the
>>>sound equilivant of a relay?!
>>>
>>>The really strange part is it doesn't seem to come from one consistant
>>>place.. :(
>>>
>> Power removed or TV turned off? If it continues long after the set is
>> turned off (but still connected to AC power) it is something in the
>> standby power section of the main power supply.
>>
>> If it continues for hours after the set is unplugged, it's probably a
>> cricket.
>>
>> PlainBill
>>
>
>the ticking could be the PS current limiting and restarting:I've heard that
>in lots of TEKTRONIX switchers. It should only last as long as the charge
>in the mains filter caps.
Agreed. The mains filter cap can easily hold a charge for 5 minutes
if there is no load. I have observed an SMPS clicking as it trys to
start, but fails due to a bad Vcc cap (10-47 µF). I am unable to
comprehend a circumstance that would allow that to be the source of
the noise on a functional power supply.

PlainBill

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 3:30 pm
From: Jim Yanik

PlainBill47@yawho.com wrote in
news:eetua616008tuaflq9lfni2a7gmo9dqaj8@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 07:54:51 -0500, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov>
> wrote:
>
>>PlainBill47@yawho.com wrote in
>>news:5f0sa6dr1m0falp5kdhcmvc2mdhj30iqtr@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:49:25 +0900, "Michael Kennedy"
>>> <mike@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Mark Zacharias" <mark_zacharias@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:4cadb755$0$1752$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com...
>>>>> "Michael Kennedy" <mike@com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:_PidnbvlitJd_TDRnZ2dnVY3gomdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>> Sorry if this is a bit of a novice question...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a SMPS in Plsama tv which upon powering up starts
>>>>>> clicking... It seems to do it as it warms up or the load changes
>>>>>> on the psu (screen going dark or getting light)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as I can tell it isnt any relay doing this, even though It
>>>>>> sounds like a relay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ticking alone I could live with, although a bit annoying but the
>>>>>> PSU also occasionally shuts down when cold. I am not 100% sure
>>>>>> what is clicking.. The clicking noise seems to be coming from
>>>>>> different locations at dfferent times, even possibly the X or Y
>>>>>> sus boards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have sprayed the whole thing down with freeze spray to no
>>>>>> avail... It is built with PBF solder, so I guess bad solder
>>>>>> joints are likely issue also.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have changed the obvious capacitors near heat sources excpet
>>>>>> the two large 400v 250uf filter caps.. Removed and checked the
>>>>>> filter caps and they checked good on my ESR meter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any Idea what would be clikcing? Here is the board layout
>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/chibamikey/PSU.JPG>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have seen similar issues on Samsung plasmas resulting from bad
>>>>> solder connections at some switching transistors near the middle
>>>>> of the board. The eyelets are too small and need to be scraped a
>>>>> bit to enlarge them before resoldering. The board does look
>>>>> similar to yours. Maybe you'll get lucky.
>>>>> If not solder connections in there somewhere, failing capacitors
>>>>> would be the likely culprit, although this problem has been much
>>>>> more common on LCD sets. Plasmas I've seen don't seem to use the
>>>>> really cheap caps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Z.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks you suggested that before.. I will get a closer look at the
>>>>transistors and check out those eyelits.. I havent doent that yet,
>>>>and probably would have forgot had you not replied.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>About the ticking.. It doesn't stop even with the power removed. It
>>>>is almost if something is expanding and contracting, but makes the
>>>>sound equilivant of a relay?!
>>>>
>>>>The really strange part is it doesn't seem to come from one
>>>>consistant place.. :(
>>>>
>>> Power removed or TV turned off? If it continues long after the set
>>> is turned off (but still connected to AC power) it is something in
>>> the standby power section of the main power supply.
>>>
>>> If it continues for hours after the set is unplugged, it's probably
>>> a cricket.
>>>
>>> PlainBill
>>>
>>
>>the ticking could be the PS current limiting and restarting:I've heard
>>that in lots of TEKTRONIX switchers. It should only last as long as
>>the charge in the mains filter caps.
> Agreed. The mains filter cap can easily hold a charge for 5 minutes
> if there is no load. I have observed an SMPS clicking as it trys to
> start, but fails due to a bad Vcc cap (10-47 µF). I am unable to
> comprehend a circumstance that would allow that to be the source of
> the noise on a functional power supply.
>
> PlainBill
>

some cap or caps(electrolytics,usually) may be marginal,and adding up to
right near the current limit point,or maybe a resistor divider that sets
the reference for that limit has changed value. any condition that draws
extra power from the supply causes it to go into current limit.

it sure sounds like a cap problem.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 5:32 am
From: Stefan Heimers

Chris F. wrote:

> Any ideas?

Resolder all power semiconductors which are mounted on heat sinks or the
metal frame of the chassis.

Stefan

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TOPIC: Canon SD1000 Display and Image Issues
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Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 12:26 pm
From: infiniteMPG <57classic@gmail.com>

Received a Canon SD1000 from a relative who had not used it for a long
time but said it wouldn't work right, they thought I might get some
use out of it. The body of the camera is in mint condition, I was
amazed as it looks like it's never been used. The camera functions
fine as far as power on and off, lens extend and retract, and shutter
button snapping pictures, but the rear display is solid gray with some
barely visible horizontal lines. No menu items or text, just blank
display.

When I take pictures (guessing as I have a blank screen) and download
the files from the SD card to my PC, the are valid JPEG files but are
just colorful vertical lines with a few horizontal lines like this
example :

http://www.57web.com/IMG_0002.JPG

Would like to recover this camera as it's a nice unit and looks new.
Been in touch with Canon and they are offering a Customer Appreciation
program to trade it in and buy a factory refurbished unit, but I kind
of like this one if I can salvage it.

Not sure if it could be something like a loose connection in the
camera or maybe something like that.

Thanks in advance for your assistance

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TOPIC: Cisco 3750G switch, fans not working
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Date: Thurs, Oct 7 2010 1:02 pm
From: midibob

Thanks for the replies guys, some good info there.
I didn't consider it might just be a fuse, but the low value sensing
resistor makes a lot of sense as that would enable the management
software to do its thing too.
The original part is nowhere to be seen so I might wait just a little
longer in case anyone comes up with the exact part otherwise its poke
and hope with some low value resistors.

Thanks
Bob

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