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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 3:36 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 22:05:01 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:

> "Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2010.11.04.21.55.31@lmao.lol.lol...
>> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:42:55 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Interesting stuff guys. Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> In this case there is no OS on the disk at all, the 2480 does not boot
>>> from it.
>>> I have successfully upgraded the 2480's OS via MIDI onto its onboard
>>> Flash, with no valid hard drive installed. The drive is purely
>>> storage.
>>>
>>> Does this make things any easier?
>>> Is cloning the new drive from the working (noisy) one a viable
>>> proposition?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> Gareth.
>>
>>
>> It is viable. Would need to be done in a PC, bit for Bit copy. But I'm
>> not sure if you need to clone it without me knowing the file system. I
>> snuck in here late, just what is the equipment. I've spent a couple
>> decades with digital recorders from Fostex, Otari and DVR recorders
>> from SA, Samsung and Cisco. The firmware embedded OS isn't a problem
>> but I'd like to do a little research on what a 2840 is.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=339
>
>
>
>
> Its kinda old in technology terms, but not that old really.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Gareth.

Have you contacted Roland support? That would be the first thing I would
do. Obviously there is content on the noisy hard drive you wish to
transfer and I am certain this is not a unique situation that Roland/Boss
would have support for.

--
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== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 3:56 pm
From: D Yuniskis

Franc Zabkar wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 10:03:10 -0700, D Yuniskis
> <not.going.to.be@seen.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>
>> Have you tried putting the drive into a PC and building/formatting
>> your four 10G partitions *there*? IIRC, FAT32 will support up to
>> ~30G ...
>
> FAT32 can support drives much larger than that. For example, I'm
> running a 120GB drive on a Win98SE box with a FAT32 file system. You
> may be thinking of Windows XP's artificial 32GB limit.

Sorry, I was actually thinking of the 32*M* limit imposed earlier...

== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 3:57 pm
From: "Gareth Magennis"

"Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2010.11.04.22.35.34@lmao.lol.lol...
> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 22:05:01 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:
>
>> "Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2010.11.04.21.55.31@lmao.lol.lol...
>>> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:42:55 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Interesting stuff guys. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In this case there is no OS on the disk at all, the 2480 does not boot
>>>> from it.
>>>> I have successfully upgraded the 2480's OS via MIDI onto its onboard
>>>> Flash, with no valid hard drive installed. The drive is purely
>>>> storage.
>>>>
>>>> Does this make things any easier?
>>>> Is cloning the new drive from the working (noisy) one a viable
>>>> proposition?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gareth.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is viable. Would need to be done in a PC, bit for Bit copy. But I'm
>>> not sure if you need to clone it without me knowing the file system. I
>>> snuck in here late, just what is the equipment. I've spent a couple
>>> decades with digital recorders from Fostex, Otari and DVR recorders
>>> from SA, Samsung and Cisco. The firmware embedded OS isn't a problem
>>> but I'd like to do a little research on what a 2840 is.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=339
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Its kinda old in technology terms, but not that old really.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Gareth.
>
> Have you contacted Roland support? That would be the first thing I would
> do. Obviously there is content on the noisy hard drive you wish to
> transfer and I am certain this is not a unique situation that Roland/Boss
> would have support for.
>
> --

I am in regular contact with the Roland Service Dept. UK. They do not have
a specific solution, though are very helpful. This is, after all, an
obsolete piece of equipment, designed for a 40Gb hard drive, that worked
very well. Shame you can't buy the drives any more.

It would be rather neat, though, to find a working solution!

Gareth.

== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 4:38 pm
From: D Yuniskis

Gareth Magennis wrote:
>
>
> "Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2010.11.04.22.35.34@lmao.lol.lol...
>> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 22:05:01 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:
>>
>>> "Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2010.11.04.21.55.31@lmao.lol.lol...
>>>> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:42:55 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Interesting stuff guys. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In this case there is no OS on the disk at all, the 2480 does not boot
>>>>> from it.
>>>>> I have successfully upgraded the 2480's OS via MIDI onto its onboard
>>>>> Flash, with no valid hard drive installed. The drive is purely
>>>>> storage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this make things any easier?
>>>>> Is cloning the new drive from the working (noisy) one a viable
>>>>> proposition?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gareth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is viable. Would need to be done in a PC, bit for Bit copy. But I'm
>>>> not sure if you need to clone it without me knowing the file system. I
>>>> snuck in here late, just what is the equipment. I've spent a couple
>>>> decades with digital recorders from Fostex, Otari and DVR recorders
>>>> from SA, Samsung and Cisco. The firmware embedded OS isn't a problem
>>>> but I'd like to do a little research on what a 2840 is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=339
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Its kinda old in technology terms, but not that old really.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> Gareth.
>>
>> Have you contacted Roland support? That would be the first thing I would
>> do. Obviously there is content on the noisy hard drive you wish to
>> transfer and I am certain this is not a unique situation that Roland/Boss
>> would have support for.
>>
>> --
>
>
>
> I am in regular contact with the Roland Service Dept. UK. They do not

--------------------------------------------------------^^

> have a specific solution, though are very helpful. This is, after all,
> an obsolete piece of equipment, designed for a 40Gb hard drive, that

Try a slightly smaller drive (80 or 120G)

> worked very well. Shame you can't buy the drives any more.
>
> It would be rather neat, though, to find a working solution!

Which side of the pond are you on (I suspect the "wrong" side :> )?
I can send you a drive or three...

== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 4:48 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Gareth Magennis wrote:
>
> "Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2010.11.04.22.35.34@lmao.lol.lol...
> > On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 22:05:01 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> >
> >> "Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:pan.2010.11.04.21.55.31@lmao.lol.lol...
> >>> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:42:55 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Interesting stuff guys. Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> In this case there is no OS on the disk at all, the 2480 does not boot
> >>>> from it.
> >>>> I have successfully upgraded the 2480's OS via MIDI onto its onboard
> >>>> Flash, with no valid hard drive installed. The drive is purely
> >>>> storage.
> >>>>
> >>>> Does this make things any easier?
> >>>> Is cloning the new drive from the working (noisy) one a viable
> >>>> proposition?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Gareth.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It is viable. Would need to be done in a PC, bit for Bit copy. But I'm
> >>> not sure if you need to clone it without me knowing the file system. I
> >>> snuck in here late, just what is the equipment. I've spent a couple
> >>> decades with digital recorders from Fostex, Otari and DVR recorders
> >>> from SA, Samsung and Cisco. The firmware embedded OS isn't a problem
> >>> but I'd like to do a little research on what a 2840 is.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=339
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Its kinda old in technology terms, but not that old really.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >>
> >> Gareth.
> >
> > Have you contacted Roland support? That would be the first thing I would
> > do. Obviously there is content on the noisy hard drive you wish to
> > transfer and I am certain this is not a unique situation that Roland/Boss
> > would have support for.
> >
> > --
>
> I am in regular contact with the Roland Service Dept. UK. They do not have
> a specific solution, though are very helpful. This is, after all, an
> obsolete piece of equipment, designed for a 40Gb hard drive, that worked
> very well. Shame you can't buy the drives any more.

How about Ebay or an 'overstuffed' computer store?

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== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 5:42 pm
From: dplatt@radagast.org (Dave Platt)

In article <oTGAo.57233$7p5.33151@newsfe22.ams2>,
Gareth Magennis <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote:

>I am in regular contact with the Roland Service Dept. UK. They do not have
>a specific solution, though are very helpful. This is, after all, an
>obsolete piece of equipment, designed for a 40Gb hard drive, that worked
>very well. Shame you can't buy the drives any more.
>
>It would be rather neat, though, to find a working solution!

First possibility: look around for somebody who has a laptop with
a 40-gigabyte 2.5" IDE drive in it. Laptop drives of this size were
fairly common just a couple of years ago, and you may be able to find
one which is still in reasonable working condition. You'd need a new
mounting bracket of some sort (or just double-sided foam tape) and a
small adapter to connect it to a 3.5" drive IDE cable, but it should
work just fine, and its performance will probably be as good or better
than the older 40-gig 3.5" drive that has failed. If you offered the
owner of such a drive a fresh 160-gig 2.5" drive as an even exchange
(that seems to be about the smallest you can buy off-the-shelf these
days) you could probably arrange a deal.

Second possibility: buy an IDE-interface 2.5" solid-state drive...
they're available in 32- and 64-gig capacity these days. Same
physical arrangements as above... mounting arrangement and adapter
cable.

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== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 5:53 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Dave Platt wrote:
>
> In article <oTGAo.57233$7p5.33151@newsfe22.ams2>,
> Gareth Magennis <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote:
>
> >I am in regular contact with the Roland Service Dept. UK. They do not have
> >a specific solution, though are very helpful. This is, after all, an
> >obsolete piece of equipment, designed for a 40Gb hard drive, that worked
> >very well. Shame you can't buy the drives any more.
> >
> >It would be rather neat, though, to find a working solution!
>
> First possibility: look around for somebody who has a laptop with
> a 40-gigabyte 2.5" IDE drive in it. Laptop drives of this size were
> fairly common just a couple of years ago, and you may be able to find
> one which is still in reasonable working condition. You'd need a new
> mounting bracket of some sort (or just double-sided foam tape) and a
> small adapter to connect it to a 3.5" drive IDE cable, but it should
> work just fine, and its performance will probably be as good or better
> than the older 40-gig 3.5" drive that has failed. If you offered the
> owner of such a drive a fresh 160-gig 2.5" drive as an even exchange
> (that seems to be about the smallest you can buy off-the-shelf these
> days) you could probably arrange a deal.
>
> Second possibility: buy an IDE-interface 2.5" solid-state drive...
> they're available in 32- and 64-gig capacity these days. Same
> physical arrangements as above... mounting arrangement and adapter
> cable.

Some 40 & 80 GB recertifed drives here:

http://www.geeks.com/products.asp?cat=HDD

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== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 7:04 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

<snip>

>
> I am in regular contact with the Roland Service Dept. UK. They do not
> have a specific solution, though are very helpful. This is, after all, an
> obsolete piece of equipment, designed for a 40Gb hard drive, that worked
> very well. Shame you can't buy the drives any more.
>
> It would be rather neat, though, to find a working solution!
>
>
>
> Gareth.

Interestingly, I needed a 40GB HDD just last week to repair a Fostex
multitracker. Like you, I was struggling to find one until a friend of mine
who runs a computer repair shop, pointed me at a local computer recycler
that he knew. He had 40GB drives "coming out of his ears" was his exact
phrase, and was only too happy to let me relieve him of one for free. My
computer repair mate said that he usually had them stacked up as well, left
over from upgrades, and would have been able to help me had he not just had
a big clear-out a few days before !

Any computer repair shops or recycling agencies in your area that you could
try, Gareth ?

Arfa

== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 9:36 pm
From: mm

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 16:09:45 -0000, "Gareth Magennis"
<sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I'm trying to replace a faulty disk drive on a Roland VS2480 (digital audio
>multitrack recorder). The likely problem (according to Roland Service) is
>that the new IDE drive is too large for the 2480 to format correctly.

You ought to be able to get small drives very cheaply. Figure out how
msall you need, and if necessary but a whole computer for 10 dollars
and take the drive out. But there are places online selling the size
you need, either somewhat used or maybe even never sold, NIB, new in
box.

You can search on ebay for example, and then save your search and have
them email you every time something that meets your search criteria is
listed. I've been looking for some obscure things for 3 years,
finding them once in a while, but HDDs aren't obscure,

My other idea is to format the drive when it's not in the Roland. Use
a computer to do it and make it no bigger than Roland wants. Just one
partition, unless Roland allows more.

>It goes through the format process of making 4 10GB partitions but always
>fails at the end of it. If you put the failed drive into a PC you can see 4
>FAT 32 10G drive icons, so the machine is seeing and writing to the drive.
>If you turn on the "physical format" option, the formatting takes about 8
>hours, and again fails right at the end.

And do the formatting with a computer too, not the Roland. AT least
if it fails, you'll get a better message and might be able to use hd
software to learn why it failed. Run chkdsk or scandisk first to get
rid of bad sectors.

And to connect to the computer, buy a Roswill RCW618, for 20 dollars
including shipping at Newegg.com . It connects almost anything but a
zip drive or floppy drive to a USB port, so it will have many uses.

> I've tried all jumper combinations
>re: Master/slave etc.
>
>I have an old 80G Maxtor drive that the 2480 WILL format, though it is old
>and very noisy. The drive I have bought is a Western Digital 160Gb PATA
>drive. (WD1600AAJB)
>
>So is there perhaps a way to fool the 2480 into thinking this is an 80G
>drive?

See above.

>I actually had a similar problem with my Sony Vaio laptop when I tried to
>upgrade the 40G drive - the Vaio didn't recognise the large drive properly
>and DMA (I think) was not turned on, resulting in extremely slow disk
>access. After posting on usenet someone pointed me to an alternative
>chipset driver that made the Vaio think it had a SCSI/Raid controller and
>the large IDE hard drive then worked perfectly!?!
>
>What is this thing with too large hard drives? Is there any likelyhood of
>getting this drive to format?
>
>
>Sorry for the long post.
>
>Gareth.
>

== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 9:38 pm
From: Franc Zabkar

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:56:51 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Would need to be done in a PC, bit for Bit copy. But I'm
>not sure if you need to clone it without me knowing the file system.

A bit-for-bit copy doesn't care about the file system. It's a physical
clone rather than a logical one.

- Franc Zabkar
--
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== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 9:45 pm
From: mm

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 16:09:45 -0000, "Gareth Magennis"
<sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I'm trying to replace a faulty disk drive on a Roland VS2480 (digital audio
>multitrack recorder). The likely problem (according to Roland Service) is
>that the new IDE drive is too large for the 2480 to format correctly.

BTW, big drives make more heat, iiuc, even when they're doing no more
work. Is that true, people?

If so, does your roland provide adquate ventilation for a bigger
drive. What will happen if it doesn't.

Anyhow, a reason to look for an old small drive.

Go to computer swap meets. Call or email your local ham radio club--
they run the computer swap meets, and ask them to put something in
their newsletter saying what you want. The computer guys in the club
probably have loads of small hd's around and don't know what to do
with them.

For most places the next hamfest isn't until spring, but see if you
can pick it up at the guys house or come to one of their meetings if
he goes to the meetings.

To find out where hamfests (swapmeets with licensing exams, etc.) are,
got to www.arrl.com or org and click on hamfests. Put in your
zipcode and 50 miles or so and they will give you the ham radio clubs
that still have hamfests. Some have stopped, not sure of the easiest
way to find them.

Also, do you belong to a computer user group. They're like ham radio
clubs but were started for small computers. There are 3 or 4 clubs
in the Baltimore area. I used to go. They were given free software
which they looked at and then gave away to members, or even
non-members who showed up iirc. They used to answer technical
questions, and I guess I stopped going when I found out about Usenet.

IF you ask nice, they too will put your request in the newsletter.
They may charge for classified ads, or just offer them 5 dollars.
Only about 50% of the ham radio events involve computers and fewer of
the actual members. User groups are 100% computer fans. And they
probably have loads of hardware they've never used.

== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 9:49 pm
From: Franc Zabkar

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:42:55 -0000, "Gareth Magennis"
<sound.service@btconnect.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Is cloning the new drive from the working (noisy) one a viable proposition?

I would think that would be the way to go.

One thing to watch out for is bad sectors. If your "working" drive has
any bads, then you need imaging/cloning software that knows how to
work around bad patches in the media.

ddrescue and dd_rescue are two Linux based utilities that can clone a
drive in multiple passes. They image the easy sectors on the first
pass, and attempt the more difficult ones on subsequent passes. They
can also image a drive in reverse. Reverse imaging effectively
disables look ahead caching.

ddrescue: http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ddrescue.html
dd_rescue: http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/
http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Ddrescue

HDClone is a Windows based imager:
http://www.miray.de/products/sat.hdclone.html

Copyr.dma is a DOS based imager that can be used for smaller drives:
http://www.copyr.pl/pliki/copyrE13.zip

- Franc Zabkar
--
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== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 9:58 pm
From: Franc Zabkar

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:42:55 -0000, "Gareth Magennis"
<sound.service@btconnect.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>In this case there is no OS on the disk at all, the 2480 does not boot from
>it.
>I have successfully upgraded the 2480's OS via MIDI onto its onboard Flash,
>with no valid hard drive installed. The drive is purely storage.

What do you use for backup?

FWIW, here is a thread where someone needed to retrieve audio data
from an Akai MPC2000 sampler:

http://forums.seagate.com/t5/Savvio-Cheetah-and-Constellation/Partition-access-in-Windows/m-p/37618

The file system was a proprietary implementation of FAT16. As in your
case, the MPC2000 used the drive for storage, not booting.

- Franc Zabkar
--
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== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 12:01 am
From: David Nebenzahl

On 11/4/2010 8:38 PM Franc Zabkar spake thus:

> On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:56:51 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com>
> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>
>> Would need to be done in a PC, bit for Bit copy. But I'm not sure
>> if you need to clone it without me knowing the file system.
>
> A bit-for-bit copy doesn't care about the file system. It's a physical
> clone rather than a logical one.

... which should more properly be called a "sector-by-sector" copy. It's
not as if you need to move each bit individually; that's handled
deeeeeep down in the drive's firmware.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 4:49 pm
From: D Yuniskis

Hi,

I rescued a GTW-P46M103 many moons ago. It's been hiding in a
corner of the dining room ever since. But, kitchen cabinets
will be delivered RSN and that space is earmarked for them!
So, it is quickly rising to the top of the ToDo list:
"fix it or trash it".

My understanding is these were plagued with problems. *But*,
those problems typically were "no picture" or "magic smoke
leakage", etc.

This set (from what few memories I have of first powering it up)
*has* a picture. And, looks like every part of the screen *is*
"illuminable" (gee, is there even such a word?? :> ). I.e., the
drivers all appear to be functional.

The *problem* is the image is offset from its expected location.
By a significant amount! IIRC, the center of the image is
shifted towards the upper left corner of the display such that
the left side of the intended display image is "off screen".
(the portion of the image that *is* displayed appears to be
scaled properly, no distortion, etc.)

I think I was able to find some very limited "service information"
on the set. Mostly pretty pictures and "replace module X" type
diagnostics. Of course, none of the troubleshooting questions
was:

"Is the image shifted off the top left corner of the screen?"

What sorts of things should I try to get a better handle on what
is likely gone wrong in the set? Or, is it a "lost cause"??
(my curiosity often motivates me to pursue problems that simply
don't make economic sense :< )

advTHANKSance,
--don

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Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 9:28 pm
From: mm

On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:58:00 -0000, "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:

>Some valve retaining clip spring wire was the right 0.9mm diameter.

Great. I'm glad you got it.

FTR, they undoubtedly had that diameter at a hobby store that sells
this, for under a dollar a piece.

When I thought you might need something bigger than what you are
using, I had in mind 3 mm. thick. I must have beeen thinking about a
different part, or the same part from 40 years earlier. :)

>Interesting seeing the formed torsion spring unwind a bit in the heating
>stress-relieving process. Hopefully my third attempt will work and not bind
>on the turns area, got all the angles now and right mandrel but the turns
>have to seat in a recessed and hidden hollow.

I haven't done any heat treating yet. I was still trying to get it
to go over the hinge pin on my 42-inch high picket fence gate, and
also rest agaisnt the gate and the post which has the hinge, so it
would close the gate. It got hard to fit, so I went back to using
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after the mailman comes. He'll shut it if I ask him too, but this is
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Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 9:48 pm
From: JR North

The speakers in my Uniden cordless handsets are all very weak. I have
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need better ones. These are 1-1/4" dia. No joy w/Ebay or Google.
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