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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 23 2010 5:29 pm
From: JeffM

JeffM wrote:
>Start with second-hand kid-level stuff?
>
I screwed up that link.
http://google.com/images?q=150-in-1+electronic

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 23 2010 5:46 pm
From: David Nebenzahl

On 11/23/2010 4:16 PM whit3rd spake thus:

> On Nov 22, 7:48 pm, Bewet Miller <Bewet_Mil...@NGLT.Com> wrote:
>
>> I don't want to pick up another career or spend 20 years learning
>> electrical repair, but I would like to learn something about this
>> area.
>> I don't care for ham radios or tv repair either.
>
> Basic Electricity and Basic Electronics manuals from
> the US Navy are a pretty good introductory set of texts.
> It takes practical experience to do the takeapart and
> rework, of course (soldering skills are probably not
> learnable from bookreading).
>
> My old Basic Electronics "Navpers 10087" was
> $2.25 from the U S Government Printing Office in 1955...

Those texts are OK, but a little dated.

I recently inherited a stack of electronics textbooks (from a dumpster),
including a copy of /Basic Theory and Application of Transistors/, a
Dover reprint of a 1959 Army textbook. Yes, it does teach the basics of
xistors, but is hopelessly out of date: covers only germanium devices,
all audio circuits use interstage and output transformers, nothing about
FETs, UJTs, etc.

You can probably do better than this.

--
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with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

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== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 23 2010 6:16 pm
From: Rich Webb

On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:46:45 -0800, David Nebenzahl
<nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:

>On 11/23/2010 4:16 PM whit3rd spake thus:
>
>> On Nov 22, 7:48 pm, Bewet Miller <Bewet_Mil...@NGLT.Com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't want to pick up another career or spend 20 years learning
>>> electrical repair, but I would like to learn something about this
>>> area.
>>> I don't care for ham radios or tv repair either.
>>
>> Basic Electricity and Basic Electronics manuals from
>> the US Navy are a pretty good introductory set of texts.
>> It takes practical experience to do the takeapart and
>> rework, of course (soldering skills are probably not
>> learnable from bookreading).
>>
>> My old Basic Electronics "Navpers 10087" was
>> $2.25 from the U S Government Printing Office in 1955...
>
>Those texts are OK, but a little dated.
>
>I recently inherited a stack of electronics textbooks (from a dumpster),
>including a copy of /Basic Theory and Application of Transistors/, a
>Dover reprint of a 1959 Army textbook. Yes, it does teach the basics of
>xistors, but is hopelessly out of date: covers only germanium devices,
>all audio circuits use interstage and output transformers, nothing about
>FETs, UJTs, etc.
>
>You can probably do better than this.

The NEETS modules are available at various places out there
http://www.tpub.com/neets/ for one.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 23 2010 11:01 pm
From: John Robertson

whit3rd wrote:
> On Nov 22, 7:48 pm, Bewet Miller <Bewet_Mil...@NGLT.Com> wrote:
>> I don't want to pick up another career or spend 20 years learning
>> electrical repair, but I would like to learn something about this
>> area.
>> I don't care for ham radios or tv repair either.
>
> Basic Electricity and Basic Electronics manuals from
> the US Navy are a pretty good introductory set of texts.
> It takes practical experience to do the takeapart and
> rework, of course (soldering skills are probably not
> learnable from bookreading).
>
> My old Basic Electronics "Navpers 10087" was
> $2.25 from the U S Government Printing Office in 1955...

Downloadable from:

http://khup.com/keyword/navpers-10087.html

The warnings at the end of some chapters are good reading...

John :-#)#

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== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 24 2010 12:26 am
From: David Nebenzahl

On 11/23/2010 11:01 PM John Robertson spake thus:

> whit3rd wrote:
>
>> On Nov 22, 7:48 pm, Bewet Miller <Bewet_Mil...@NGLT.Com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't want to pick up another career or spend 20 years learning
>>> electrical repair, but I would like to learn something about
>>> this area.
>>> I don't care for ham radios or tv repair either.
>>
>> Basic Electricity and Basic Electronics manuals from
>> the US Navy are a pretty good introductory set of texts.
>> It takes practical experience to do the takeapart and
>> rework, of course (soldering skills are probably not
>> learnable from bookreading).
>>
>> My old Basic Electronics "Navpers 10087" was
>> $2.25 from the U S Government Printing Office in 1955...
>
> Downloadable from:
>
> http://khup.com/keyword/navpers-10087.html
>
> The warnings at the end of some chapters are good reading...

They are amusing.

But seriously, I wouldn't recommend any of these books to someone trying
to learn basic electronics. They're interesting as historical
curiosities, but they're so out of data (not to mention badly written)
as to be a hindrance, not a help, to a newbie.

--
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with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 23 2010 5:37 pm
From: "Brenda Ann"

"Phil Allison" wrote in message news:8l30juF9omU1@mid.individual.net...
> ** Do not use a comma for the decimal point - it is way too confusing.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Most of the world uses a comma as a decimal point.

** Bullshit.

>The US and Canada are about the only ones that use a period.

** Virtually the entire English speaking world uses the period.

..... Phil

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Countries where a comma is used to mark the radix point include:

Albania, Andorra, Argentina, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium, Bolivia,
Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Canada
(French-speaking), Costa Rica, Croatia (comma used officially, but both
forms are in use elsewhere), Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic,
Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Estonia, Faroes, Finland,
France, Germany, Greece, Greenland, Guatemala, Honduras, Hungary, Indonesia,
Iceland, Italy, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg (uses both
separators officially), Macedonia, Moldova, Netherlands, Norway, Nicaragua,
Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia,
South Africa (officially, but dot point is commonly used in business, even
though South Africa used to be in the British Empire, which is considered to
be strange by quite a few people in Britain), Slovenia, Spain, Sweden,
Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, Uruguay, Venezuela, Vietnam.

== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 23 2010 5:48 pm
From: "Phil Allison"

"Brenda Ann is another autistic fuckwit"

> Most of the world uses a comma as a decimal point.

** Bullshit.

>The US and Canada are about the only ones that use a period.

** Virtually the entire English speaking world uses the period.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Thank you for your post that proved the above point beyond any doubt.

..... Phil

== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 23 2010 6:35 pm
From: Sjouke Burry

Brenda Ann wrote:
>
> "Phil Allison" wrote in message news:8l30juF9omU1@mid.individual.net...
>> ** Do not use a comma for the decimal point - it is way too confusing.
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Most of the world uses a comma as a decimal point.
>
> ** Bullshit.
>
>> The US and Canada are about the only ones that use a period.
>
>
> ** Virtually the entire English speaking world uses the period.
>
>
> ..... Phil
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Countries where a comma is used to mark the radix point include:
>
> Albania, Andorra, Argentina, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium, Bolivia,
> Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Canada
> (French-speaking), Costa Rica, Croatia (comma used officially, but both
> forms are in use elsewhere), Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic,
> Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Estonia, Faroes, Finland,
> France, Germany, Greece, Greenland, Guatemala, Honduras, Hungary, Indonesia,
> Iceland, Italy, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg (uses both
> separators officially), Macedonia, Moldova, Netherlands, Norway, Nicaragua,
> Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia,
> South Africa (officially, but dot point is commonly used in business, even
> though South Africa used to be in the British Empire, which is considered to
> be strange by quite a few people in Britain), Slovenia, Spain, Sweden,
> Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, Uruguay, Venezuela, Vietnam.
>
Did you collect country names at random?
Netherlands uses the comma only in text,
never to indicate fractions.

== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 23 2010 6:51 pm
From: David Nebenzahl

On 11/23/2010 6:35 PM Sjouke Burry spake thus:

> Brenda Ann wrote:
>
>> "Phil Allison" wrote in message news:8l30juF9omU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> ** Do not use a comma for the decimal point - it is way too confusing.
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Most of the world uses a comma as a decimal point.
>>
>> ** Bullshit.
>>
>>> The US and Canada are about the only ones that use a period.
>>
>>
>> ** Virtually the entire English speaking world uses the period.
>>
>> Countries where a comma is used to mark the radix point include:
>>
>> Albania, Andorra, Argentina, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium, Bolivia,
>> Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Canada
>> (French-speaking), Costa Rica, Croatia (comma used officially, but both
>> forms are in use elsewhere), Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic,
>> Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Estonia, Faroes, Finland,
>> France, Germany, Greece, Greenland, Guatemala, Honduras, Hungary, Indonesia,
>> Iceland, Italy, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg (uses both
>> separators officially), Macedonia, Moldova, Netherlands, Norway, Nicaragua,
>> Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia,
>> South Africa (officially, but dot point is commonly used in business, even
>> though South Africa used to be in the British Empire, which is considered to
>> be strange by quite a few people in Britain), Slovenia, Spain, Sweden,
>> Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, Uruguay, Venezuela, Vietnam.
>>
> Did you collect country names at random?
> Netherlands uses the comma only in text,
> never to indicate fractions.

But we're not talking about fractions; we're talking about decimals.

Or are those terms equivalent in your country?

--
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with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

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== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 23 2010 7:36 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Brenda Ann wrote:
>
> "Phil Allison" wrote in message news:8l30juF9omU1@mid.individual.net...
> > ** Do not use a comma for the decimal point - it is way too confusing.
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Most of the world uses a comma as a decimal point.
>
> ** Bullshit.
>
> >The US and Canada are about the only ones that use a period.
>
> ** Virtually the entire English speaking world uses the period.
>
> ..... Phil
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Countries where a comma is used to mark the radix point include:
>
> Albania, Andorra, Argentina, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium, Bolivia,
> Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Canada
> (French-speaking), Costa Rica, Croatia (comma used officially, but both
> forms are in use elsewhere), Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic,
> Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Estonia, Faroes, Finland,
> France, Germany, Greece, Greenland, Guatemala, Honduras, Hungary, Indonesia,
> Iceland, Italy, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg (uses both
> separators officially), Macedonia, Moldova, Netherlands, Norway, Nicaragua,
> Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia,
> South Africa (officially, but dot point is commonly used in business, even
> though South Africa used to be in the British Empire, which is considered to
> be strange by quite a few people in Britain), Slovenia, Spain, Sweden,
> Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, Uruguay, Venezuela, Vietnam.

Brenda, you're wasting your time trying to converse with Phil. He is
a mentally ill character in Australia, who frequently stops taking his
medication.

--
For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off
scientist!!!

== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 23 2010 8:10 pm
From: Sjouke Burry

David Nebenzahl wrote:
> On 11/23/2010 6:35 PM Sjouke Burry spake thus:
>
>> Brenda Ann wrote:
>>
>>> "Phil Allison" wrote in message news:8l30juF9omU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> ** Do not use a comma for the decimal point - it is way too confusing.
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Most of the world uses a comma as a decimal point.
>>> ** Bullshit.
>>>
>>>> The US and Canada are about the only ones that use a period.
>>>
>>> ** Virtually the entire English speaking world uses the period.
>>>
>>> Countries where a comma is used to mark the radix point include:
>>>
>>> Albania, Andorra, Argentina, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium, Bolivia,
>>> Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Canada
>>> (French-speaking), Costa Rica, Croatia (comma used officially, but both
>>> forms are in use elsewhere), Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic,
>>> Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Estonia, Faroes, Finland,
>>> France, Germany, Greece, Greenland, Guatemala, Honduras, Hungary, Indonesia,
>>> Iceland, Italy, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg (uses both
>>> separators officially), Macedonia, Moldova, Netherlands, Norway, Nicaragua,
>>> Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia,
>>> South Africa (officially, but dot point is commonly used in business, even
>>> though South Africa used to be in the British Empire, which is considered to
>>> be strange by quite a few people in Britain), Slovenia, Spain, Sweden,
>>> Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, Uruguay, Venezuela, Vietnam.
>>>
>> Did you collect country names at random?
>> Netherlands uses the comma only in text,
>> never to indicate fractions.
>
> But we're not talking about fractions; we're talking about decimals.
>
> Or are those terms equivalent in your country?
>
>
Decimal is a type of fraction.
That still does not explain the random selection of country's,
unless one really likes to conduct a shitty discussion.

== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 23 2010 8:25 pm
From: "Brenda Ann"

"Sjouke Burry" wrote in message
news:4cec9045$0$8923$703f8584@textnews.kpn.nl...
>>> Countries where a comma is used to mark the radix point include:
>>>
>>> Albania, Andorra, Argentina, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium,
>>> Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Canada
>>> (French-speaking), Costa Rica, Croatia (comma used officially, but both
>>> forms are in use elsewhere), Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech
>>> Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Estonia,
>>> Faroes, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Greenland, Guatemala,
>>> Honduras, Hungary, Indonesia, Iceland, Italy, Kazakhstan, Latvia,
>>> Lithuania, Luxembourg (uses both separators officially), Macedonia,
>>> Moldova, Netherlands, Norway, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Poland,
>>> Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia, South Africa (officially,
>>> but dot point is commonly used in business, even though South Africa
>>> used to be in the British Empire, which is considered to be strange by
>>> quite a few people in Britain), Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland,
>>> Turkey, Ukraine, Uruguay, Venezuela, Vietnam.
>>>
>> Did you collect country names at random?
>> Netherlands uses the comma only in text,
>> never to indicate fractions.
>
> But we're not talking about fractions; we're talking about decimals.
>
> Or are those terms equivalent in your country?
>
>
Decimal is a type of fraction.
That still does not explain the random selection of country's,
unless one really likes to conduct a shitty discussion.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The list is not random, and is found on many sites regarding finance, etc.
The site this particular list is from is:

http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Decimal_separator#Comma_countries

== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 23 2010 8:30 pm
From: David Nebenzahl

On 11/23/2010 8:10 PM Sjouke Burry spake thus:

> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>
>> On 11/23/2010 6:35 PM Sjouke Burry spake thus:
>>
>>> Netherlands uses the comma only in text,
>>> never to indicate fractions.
>>
>> But we're not talking about fractions; we're talking about decimals.
>>
>> Or are those terms equivalent in your country?
>>
> Decimal is a type of fraction.

Technically, yes. But if you say (or write) "fraction", most English
speakers expect something in the form x/y, not x.y or x,y.

In other words, decimals are special cases of fractions, with their own
formatting.

--
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with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

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== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 23 2010 8:42 pm
From: "Phil Allison"

"Brenda Ann" is an another ASD fucked IDIOT "
>
> "Sjouke Burry" wrote in message
>>>> Countries where a comma is used to mark the radix point include:
>>>>
>>>> Albania, Andorra, Argentina, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium,
>>>> Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Canada
>>>> (French-speaking), Costa Rica, Croatia (comma used officially, but both
>>>> forms are in use elsewhere), Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech
>>>> Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Estonia,
>>>> Faroes, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Greenland, Guatemala,
>>>> Honduras, Hungary, Indonesia, Iceland, Italy, Kazakhstan, Latvia,
>>>> Lithuania, Luxembourg (uses both separators officially), Macedonia,
>>>> Moldova, Netherlands, Norway, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru,
>>>> Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia, South Africa
>>>> (officially, but dot point is commonly used in business, even though
>>>> South Africa used to be in the British Empire, which is considered to
>>>> be strange by quite a few people in Britain), Slovenia, Spain, Sweden,
>>>> Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, Uruguay, Venezuela, Vietnam.
>>>>
>>> Did you collect country names at random?
>>> Netherlands uses the comma only in text,
>>> never to indicate fractions.
>>
>> But we're not talking about fractions; we're talking about decimals.
>>
>> Or are those terms equivalent in your country?
>>
>>
> Decimal is a type of fraction.

** Bollocks #2

> That still does not explain the random selection of country's,

** Noting *random* about that selection of NON English speaking countries

- you lying pile of ASD fucked dung.

.... Phil

== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 23 2010 9:06 pm
From: Smitty Two

In article <4cec9045$0$8923$703f8584@textnews.kpn.nl>,
Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> wrote:

> That still does not explain the random selection of country's,
> unless one really likes to conduct a shitty discussion.

I guess those are the same countries where the plural of country is
country's.

== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 24 2010 12:15 am
From: "N_Cook"

Brenda Ann <newsgroups@fullspectrumradio.org> wrote in message
news:K9udnSQtW4kL2XHRnZ2dnVY3gomdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
> "Phil Allison" wrote in message news:8l2pujF1hkU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
> "Steve Sousa"
> >
> > I have a tube radio to repair. It's output valve is an ELL80 (two EL95
in
> > one tube) and was broken at the base and the socket showed signs of
> > overheat and cold solder joints. I have the valve on order but when
> > checking the output transformers (it has 2) onde of them has a primary
> > resistance of ~900ohm and the other ~4000 ohm.
>
>
> ** Assuming the transformers are the same size and do the same job, the
one
> with the 4000 ohm primary is stuffed.
>
>
> > I measured the turns ratio using a signal generator at 1khz and got 45,6
> > and 46,0
>
>
> ** Do not use a comma for the decimal point - it is way too confusing.
>
>
>
> ..... Phil
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
> Most of the world uses a comma as a decimal point. The US and Canada are
> about the only ones that use a period.
>

If the 4000 ohm one is shot then it should vary considerably with heating
and knocking. Hot air gun and a mallet. What is the amp ? (sorry if included
in the unread usual threaded diahrhoea)

== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 24 2010 12:47 am
From: "N_Cook"

If the 900 ohm one was shot then it implies some shorted turns that is
unlikely to change with heat and/or vibration

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