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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 5:41 pm
From: Keith

All:
I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the smoke smell. Is there a way I can
get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you.

Keith Lee

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:31 pm
From: dplatt@radagast.org (Dave Platt)

>All:
> I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the
>smoke smell. Is there a way I can
>get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you.

Tobacco-smoke tar is one of the more difficult gunks to remove
(Consumer Reports used to use it as their "difficult" contaminant,
when testing glass cleaners). Unfortunately, washing the exterior of
the cabinet and the tube leaves you with an uneasy choice... cleaners
which are strong enough to strip the tobacco tar, may mar the plastic
case or (perhaps) whatever anti-glare coating was placed on the front
of the tube.

Fresh air and sunlight is probably your best bet. The UV in sunlight
helps break down the tobacco tar and the volatile materials which
cause the odor, and the heat helps volatize what's left and let it
blow away. I remember reading of one service outlet which had a
standard practice, when they got in a tape deck or receiver which
smelled of cigarette smoke - they'd take off the cover and leave it
out in the noonday sun for several days before working on it.

This isn't the right time of year for lots of sunlight, alas, and
opening up the interior of a flat-screen TV to allow sunlight to
penetrate the insides may not be feasible.

My guess is your best bet, at this point, is to clean the exterior of
the cabinet with a general-purpose liquid household cleanser (test it
in an inconspicuous spot on the back to make sure it's not damaging
the surface), and clean the glass front with whatever sort of glass
cleanser the manufacturer recommends. Don't spray liquid on it, or
use a soaking-wet rag to use the cleaning... just dampen a clean rag
and then wipe... you don't want to get liquid into the interior.

Then, put it in your garage, aim a big fan at it, and blow air on it
for several days... dissipate as much of the odor as you can that way.

--
Dave Platt <dplatt@radagast.org> AE6EO
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== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 6:35 pm
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 01:41:53 +0000 (UTC), Keith
<keithdlee2000@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the smoke smell. Is there a way I can
>get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you.
>
>Keith Lee

I've seen one TV stink when new out of the box. I think it was a
fairly large Vizio, but I don't recall the model number. Near as I
can guess(tm), it's lint and styrofoam from the packing material
getting into parts of the PCB that are getting hot. Ignite some
packing and styrofoam and compare the stench with the TV.

The smell went away after a few days. I tried opening the back and
removing the crud with an air hose, which turned into a waste of time
because the lint was baked into the components and would not move.

Some options:
1. If it's really a new TV, then it shouldn't stink. Exchange it for
a different unit. That's what warranties are for.
2. Open the back and clean up whatever is stinking. If you happen to
have a $3000 FLIR infrared imager, you'll be able to see what's
getting hot or smoking.
3. Let it cook for a few days and see what happens. It will either
fix itself, burn down the house, or create a warranty issue. Check
your homeowners insurance to see if damage from flaming HDTV's are
covered. Everything else should be covered by the manufacturers or
the stores warranty.

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== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 10:25 pm
From: Wes Newell

On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 01:41:53 +0000, Keith wrote:

> I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the
> smoke smell. Is there a way I can
> get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you.

If you're talking about tobacco smoke smell (or any kind really), try
Awesome Orange cleaner. It works better than anything I've ever used to
get tobacco stains and smells off anything. I wouldn't use it on the
inside though. If the smell is inside, remove the components, spray,
wash, and dry them and re-install.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 8 2010 12:25 am
From: "N_Cook"

Keith <keithdlee2000@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:idmnp1$glo$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> All:
> I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the
smoke smell. Is there a way I can
> get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you.
>
> Keith Lee

Assuming the smoke source is now gone, I've not tried this though. "shake n'
vac" or Bentonite or whatever that microporous volcanic mineral is. Scatter
inside, leave for a few days, take outdoors and blow it out.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 7:37 pm
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 03:24:03 +0900, "Michael Kennedy" <mike@nospam.com>
wrote:

>Well I didn't know the regulations, but I was told by the post office here
>in Japan that no lithium battery Coin cell included or lead acid batteries
>are allowed in Air Mail.

Specific energy of TNT = 4.18*10^6 Joules/kg

A Li-Ion battery will produce about 300 watt-hrs/kg
300 watt-hrs/kg * 3600 joules/watt-hr
= 1.08*10^6 Joules/kg

A Li-Ion pile, with 1/4th the power of the same weight of TNT, is
rather impressive. I can see why the authorities are concerned.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-ion>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent>

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# 831-336-2558
# http://802.11junk.com jeffl@cruzio.com
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 7 2010 10:33 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
>
> In article <BsWdnYXxd-xFz2PRnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > I have an electronic battery tester - an expensive device. This gives
> > > a instantaneous readout of the capacity in amp.hours. If you don't
> > > know what it should be it is fairly useless.
>
> > Instantaneous? Right. It gives an WAG. Battery testers have been
> > around for generations. Just because they add a little electronics
> > doesn't make them magic.
>
> You don't half talk rubbish. Battery testers used to be large devices.
> This is the size of a DVM. And gives an accurate readout of the overall
> battery condition. Not just its voltage or how much current it can
> deliver. It's invaluable for quick testing of a lead acid battery.

Then explain how it can determine the Ah rating. it sounds like it
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> > Does your car battery tell you the discharge
> > rate to achieve the marked Ah rating?
>
> It's also a standard in the UK. 20 hour rate.

So you can leave your headlights on for 20 hours with no problems?

--
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