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TOPIC: Repairing flexible pcb connector track?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 7:10 pm
From: whit3rd
On Jul 29, 7:17 am, "Ian P" <elanma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In the course of doing some modifications to a very expensive Sony 3 chip HD
> camcorder I have accidentally cut through 3 tracks on the edge of a mylar?
> flexible cable.
If you're very lucky, there are redundant traces and you
can jumper to them from the nonworking conductors at the
connectors (on the non-flexing boards). Otherwise, contact
Sony for a new part (or subassembly).
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 3:55 pm
From: "Ian P"
After mulling over all the good guidance and advice I recieved in response
to my original posting I decided which method to use and this evening have
successfully repaired the cut tracks.
I went for the soldered wire jumpers over the breaks, straightforward under
normal circumstances but in this case on a small scale. I bridged four
adjacent tracks using wire 0,05mm (2 thou) diameter taken from super
flexible test lead wire. The tracks were were between 0.1 and 0.15mm wide
and the whole repaired area ended up 0.9mm wide and 4mm long.
With the right equipment, microscope etc I can now see that a repair of this
sort could be done fairly easily, I managed with a strong magnifyng glass
that I fixed in place so I had both hands free. After I fixed the first
jumper I improved my technique and was able to work one handed by using a
longer length of jumper held taught exactly in line with the track by bits
of masking tape at either end. Because of its length its really easy to
position the jumper, I also put a little bit of packing under the ribbon so
that it formed a raised surface to keep the wire in contact with the
previously tinned tracks.
I still have to test the repair but mechanically all the joints are sound
and separated from each other so I'm happy.
Many thanks to all that responded.
Ian
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 6:37 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"
"Ian P" <elanman99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8bjnv3Frf3U1@mid.individual.net...
> After mulling over all the good guidance and advice I recieved in response
> to my original posting I decided which method to use and this evening have
> successfully repaired the cut tracks.
>
> I went for the soldered wire jumpers over the breaks, straightforward
> under normal circumstances but in this case on a small scale. I bridged
> four adjacent tracks using wire 0,05mm (2 thou) diameter taken from super
> flexible test lead wire. The tracks were were between 0.1 and 0.15mm wide
> and the whole repaired area ended up 0.9mm wide and 4mm long.
>
> With the right equipment, microscope etc I can now see that a repair of
> this sort could be done fairly easily, I managed with a strong magnifyng
> glass that I fixed in place so I had both hands free. After I fixed the
> first jumper I improved my technique and was able to work one handed by
> using a longer length of jumper held taught exactly in line with the track
> by bits of masking tape at either end. Because of its length its really
> easy to position the jumper, I also put a little bit of packing under the
> ribbon so that it formed a raised surface to keep the wire in contact with
> the previously tinned tracks.
>
> I still have to test the repair but mechanically all the joints are sound
> and separated from each other so I'm happy.
>
> Many thanks to all that responded.
>
> Ian
>
Glad you got a fix ! If the flexiprint doesn't have to bend at the point
where you've repaired it - and I assume that it doesn't as you say that you
have put some strengthening behind it - you might want to coat over the
repair with some clear nail laquer, just to add a bit of 'stay still' to the
wires, and offer a bit of physical protection.
Don't know if you might have a need in the future to do any very fine work
like this again, but if you do, a stereo microscope with built in work lamp
is indispensible. You can pick them up quite cheaply on eBay. Mine came from
Farnell when they had them on offer a few years back. It takes a bit of
getting used to soldering under one, as even the finest tipped iron looks
like a wrought iron poker that the local smithy has just turned out, and the
solder looks like a steel ship hawser, but then even very fine tracks look
like roads, so it's all relative ...
Arfa
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TOPIC: Glass fibre basket retainer for 5881/6L6
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 3:07 am
From: "N_Cook"
Owner has managed to get away with dragons teeth retaining clips digging
into the glass envelope of his replacement type with no bakelite base . How
to fabricate something approximating those woven glass mesh baskets that go
over the envelope and then a pair of springs down to the chassis or any
other ideas other than replacing with based envelope types ?
Incidently the first thing I did was undo the screws of the dragons teeth in
hope of relieving some of the teeth force before removing the valves , but
was that the correct approach?
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 6:02 am
From: Meat Plow
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 11:07:31 +0100, N_Cook wrote:
> Owner has managed to get away with dragons teeth retaining clips digging
> into the glass envelope of his replacement type with no bakelite base .
> How to fabricate something approximating those woven glass mesh baskets
> that go over the envelope and then a pair of springs down to the chassis
> or any other ideas other than replacing with based envelope types ?
>
> Incidently the first thing I did was undo the screws of the dragons
> teeth in hope of relieving some of the teeth force before removing the
> valves , but was that the correct approach?
Make something like Marshall used. Metal cap and springs.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 6:20 am
From: "N_Cook"
Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2010.07.31.13.02.48@hahahahahahahah.nutz...
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 11:07:31 +0100, N_Cook wrote:
>
> > Owner has managed to get away with dragons teeth retaining clips digging
> > into the glass envelope of his replacement type with no bakelite base .
> > How to fabricate something approximating those woven glass mesh baskets
> > that go over the envelope and then a pair of springs down to the chassis
> > or any other ideas other than replacing with based envelope types ?
> >
> > Incidently the first thing I did was undo the screws of the dragons
> > teeth in hope of relieving some of the teeth force before removing the
> > valves , but was that the correct approach?
>
> Make something like Marshall used. Metal cap and springs.
I don't fancy making a pierced metal dome shape, that has to avoid the
fragile central area of the glass dome. So far I'm thinking of a length of
high temp glass sleeving knotted into a ring, slightly smaller than envelope
circumference, with a balancing "knot" on the other side. Then silicone
sleeving or springs and glass sleeving down to a pair of solder tags as
anchors. Nasty dragons teeth chips in the bottles but they survived
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 8:02 am
From: Meat Plow
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:20:52 +0100, N_Cook wrote:
> Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2010.07.31.13.02.48@hahahahahahahah.nutz...
>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 11:07:31 +0100, N_Cook wrote:
>>
>> > Owner has managed to get away with dragons teeth retaining clips
>> > digging into the glass envelope of his replacement type with no
>> > bakelite base . How to fabricate something approximating those woven
>> > glass mesh baskets that go over the envelope and then a pair of
>> > springs down to the chassis or any other ideas other than replacing
>> > with based envelope types ?
>> >
>> > Incidently the first thing I did was undo the screws of the dragons
>> > teeth in hope of relieving some of the teeth force before removing
>> > the valves , but was that the correct approach?
>>
>> Make something like Marshall used. Metal cap and springs.
>
>
> I don't fancy making a pierced metal dome shape, that has to avoid the
> fragile central area of the glass dome. So far I'm thinking of a length
> of high temp glass sleeving knotted into a ring, slightly smaller than
> envelope circumference, with a balancing "knot" on the other side. Then
> silicone sleeving or springs and glass sleeving down to a pair of solder
> tags as anchors. Nasty dragons teeth chips in the bottles but they
> survived
I think making an approximation of the Marshall device is your best bet.
They seem to not harm the glass in any I've worked on. And putting those
kind of 5881's in a jaw clamp is just plain idiotic. Especially if the
tubes hang.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 9:03 am
From: "N_Cook"
Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2010.07.31.15.03.11@hahahahahahahah.nutz...
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:20:52 +0100, N_Cook wrote:
>
> > Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:pan.2010.07.31.13.02.48@hahahahahahahah.nutz...
> >> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 11:07:31 +0100, N_Cook wrote:
> >>
> >> > Owner has managed to get away with dragons teeth retaining clips
> >> > digging into the glass envelope of his replacement type with no
> >> > bakelite base . How to fabricate something approximating those woven
> >> > glass mesh baskets that go over the envelope and then a pair of
> >> > springs down to the chassis or any other ideas other than replacing
> >> > with based envelope types ?
> >> >
> >> > Incidently the first thing I did was undo the screws of the dragons
> >> > teeth in hope of relieving some of the teeth force before removing
> >> > the valves , but was that the correct approach?
> >>
> >> Make something like Marshall used. Metal cap and springs.
> >
> >
> > I don't fancy making a pierced metal dome shape, that has to avoid the
> > fragile central area of the glass dome. So far I'm thinking of a length
> > of high temp glass sleeving knotted into a ring, slightly smaller than
> > envelope circumference, with a balancing "knot" on the other side. Then
> > silicone sleeving or springs and glass sleeving down to a pair of solder
> > tags as anchors. Nasty dragons teeth chips in the bottles but they
> > survived
>
> I think making an approximation of the Marshall device is your best bet.
> They seem to not harm the glass in any I've worked on. And putting those
> kind of 5881's in a jaw clamp is just plain idiotic. Especially if the
> tubes hang.
Another awkwardness of the Marshall ones is the tension points must be a
good inch below the bottle tops and part wrap around to avoid sliding off.
Yes underslung 2002 German Engl E320 50W combo.
First time I've come across one of these , to do anything you have to take
the whole amp to bits. Surprisingly 2 plain washers were split, probably
from using a windy-drill to torque up. Even the maker's ECC83 retainers are
an awkward bodge-up, not even fully screening.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 2:29 pm
From: Dave M
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:20:52 +0100, "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
>Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:pan.2010.07.31.13.02.48@hahahahahahahah.nutz...
>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 11:07:31 +0100, N_Cook wrote:
>>
>> > Owner has managed to get away with dragons teeth retaining clips digging
>> > into the glass envelope of his replacement type with no bakelite base .
>> > How to fabricate something approximating those woven glass mesh baskets
>> > that go over the envelope and then a pair of springs down to the chassis
>> > or any other ideas other than replacing with based envelope types ?
>> >
>> > Incidently the first thing I did was undo the screws of the dragons
>> > teeth in hope of relieving some of the teeth force before removing the
>> > valves , but was that the correct approach?
>>
>> Make something like Marshall used. Metal cap and springs.
>
>
>I don't fancy making a pierced metal dome shape, that has to avoid the
>fragile central area of the glass dome. So far I'm thinking of a length of
>high temp glass sleeving knotted into a ring, slightly smaller than envelope
>circumference, with a balancing "knot" on the other side. Then silicone
>sleeving or springs and glass sleeving down to a pair of solder tags as
>anchors. Nasty dragons teeth chips in the bottles but they survived
>
You can buy the spring retainer clamps (similar to the Marshall, et al.
clamps) from Antique Electronic Supply (www.tubesandmore.com) for $1.95
USD each. A pittance compared to the value of the labor needed to
manufacture a kluge in your shop, even with international 1st class
postage.
See them in the Vacuum Tube Accessories area.
http://www.tubesandmore.com/scripts/foxweb.dll/catalog@d:/dfs/elevclients/cemirror/ELEVATOR.FXP?PAGE=SUBCAT&SEARCH_TREE01=VTUBEACC&SEARCH_TREE02=04_SHIELDS
Cheers,
Dave M
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TOPIC: hissing sound coming from behind woofer on one side AR11
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 4:43 am
From: Ron
On 31/07/2010 01:35, Arfa Daily wrote:
> Also, the source sounds suspicious, you must admit ? I mean, dmanzaluni
> ? That must be "the man's a loony", mustn't it ? And the nic.
> Ripanykhazov. "Rippin' ya clothes off" maybe ?
Rip her knickers off, Shirley ;)
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== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 8:04 am
From: Amanda Ripanykhazov
On Jul 30, 5:41 pm, Meat Plow <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:03:39 -0700, Amanda Ripanykhazov wrote:
> > Thank you for your confidence everyone: If I wanted to wind everyone up,
> > dont you think I would have found a funnier way of doing it than this?
>
> Not if you're just not too funny in the first place.
>
> > If someone can get me a way of posting a wav file to a NG, let me know
> > and I will stick a microphone in front of the speaker and post whatever
> > it records
>
> > Meanwhile I will take the speaker out and report back if/when I have a
> > result
>
> But you've already subbed the speaker and the hiss went away or so I
> thought I had previously read.
Call me an old cynic and obviously I am not a technical expert but
doesnt simple logic mandate that when you sub a speaker and the sound
goes away, all it means is that (what I thought blindingly obvious
from the symptoms and there being no apparent logical connection
between the source and the hissing, which was why I posted here:
Because "The problem is that you are describing something that doesn't
seem to make any sense, or have any obvious explanation" so I wondered
whether anyone had come across it before) the sound wasnt coming from
the source? Or did I have to add that when i put the speaker back
again, the sound came back?
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 9:30 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"
Call me an old cynic and obviously I am not a technical expert but
doesnt simple logic mandate that when you sub a speaker and the
sound goes away, all it means is that (what I thought blindingly obvious
from the symptoms and there being no apparent logical connection
between the source and the hissing, which was why I posted here:
Because "The problem is that you are describing something that doesn't
seem to make any sense, or have any obvious explanation" so I wondered
whether anyone had come across it before) the sound wasnt coming from
the source? Or did I have to add that when i put the speaker back
again, the sound came back?
Your speakers are passive devices. They cannot make any sort of sound on
their own.
If hissing is coming from one of them (but not the other, when driven from
the same amp), the speaker must be therefore be the source of the hiss. But
as there is nothing in the speaker that could, by itself, create sound, then
the speaker must be altering or distorting its input to produce the hiss.
However, you say that the presence or level of the hiss is not related to
the program material.
This makes no sense. The logical conclusion is that A: you are grossly
mis-describing the symptoms, or B: this is a troll.
I think it's B. I really don't have any more time for this tsuris/tsimmes.
Take your pick.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 10:45 am
From: Jamie
Amanda Ripanykhazov wrote:
> On Jul 30, 5:41 pm, Meat Plow <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:03:39 -0700, Amanda Ripanykhazov wrote:
>>
>>>Thank you for your confidence everyone: If I wanted to wind everyone up,
>>>dont you think I would have found a funnier way of doing it than this?
>>
>>Not if you're just not too funny in the first place.
>>
>>
>>>If someone can get me a way of posting a wav file to a NG, let me know
>>>and I will stick a microphone in front of the speaker and post whatever
>>>it records
>>
>>>Meanwhile I will take the speaker out and report back if/when I have a
>>>result
>>
>>But you've already subbed the speaker and the hiss went away or so I
>>thought I had previously read.
>
>
> Call me an old cynic and obviously I am not a technical expert but
> doesnt simple logic mandate that when you sub a speaker and the sound
> goes away, all it means is that (what I thought blindingly obvious
> from the symptoms and there being no apparent logical connection
> between the source and the hissing, which was why I posted here:
> Because "The problem is that you are describing something that doesn't
> seem to make any sense, or have any obvious explanation" so I wondered
> whether anyone had come across it before) the sound wasnt coming from
> the source? Or did I have to add that when i put the speaker back
> again, the sound came back?
check for electrical devices adjacent to the speaker, inside and outside
of the wall. Your speaker coil maybe in the path of an induced magnetic
field from a device near by..
etc..
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 12:25 pm
From: nesesu
On Jul 31, 9:30 am, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> Call me an old cynic and obviously I am not a technical expert but
> doesnt simple logic mandate that when you sub a speaker and the
> sound goes away, all it means is that (what I thought blindingly obvious
> from the symptoms and there being no apparent logical connection
> between the source and the hissing, which was why I posted here:
> Because "The problem is that you are describing something that doesn't
> seem to make any sense, or have any obvious explanation" so I wondered
> whether anyone had come across it before) the sound wasnt coming from
> the source? Or did I have to add that when i put the speaker back
> again, the sound came back?
>
> Your speakers are passive devices. They cannot make any sort of sound on
> their own.
>
> If hissing is coming from one of them (but not the other, when driven from
> the same amp), the speaker must be therefore be the source of the hiss. But
> as there is nothing in the speaker that could, by itself, create sound, then
> the speaker must be altering or distorting its input to produce the hiss.
> However, you say that the presence or level of the hiss is not related to
> the program material.
>
> This makes no sense. The logical conclusion is that A: you are grossly
> mis-describing the symptoms, or B: this is a troll.
>
> I think it's B. I really don't have any more time for this tsuris/tsimmes.
> Take your pick.
There is a slight possibility that there is an issue with the
crossover in this speaker that de-stabilizes the driving amplifier,
causing an HF oscillation in the amp, yet the amp IS stable with the
other speaker.
I worked on an Pioneer amp that was marginally stable and would
oscillate depending on the load. The clue it was oscillating was a
'sizzle' in the speaker and the overload lamp was always lit. Other
than that it appeared to work fine to the owners old ears, although
there was a slightly perceptable clipping distortion on louder
passages. A slight adjustment of the R-C feedback in the amp returned
the rock solid stability and eliminated the perceived 'hiss'.
That system had been to two 'professional' shops; one said there was
nothing wrong and the other said it could not be repaired.
Neil S.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 6:42 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"
"Ron" <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
news:jKydnVWRZZH1kcnRnZ2dnUVZ7teonZ2d@bt.com...
> On 31/07/2010 01:35, Arfa Daily wrote:
>
>> Also, the source sounds suspicious, you must admit ? I mean, dmanzaluni
>> ? That must be "the man's a loony", mustn't it ? And the nic.
>> Ripanykhazov. "Rippin' ya clothes off" maybe ?
>
> Rip her knickers off, Shirley ;)
> --
Ah yes, Ron ! Well spotted ... :-)
Arfa
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TOPIC: Mits model CS 35707 - IC 6F01 still available?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 2:15 pm
From: stokesbr@cox.net
I haven't even looked at the set, but my coworker says the picture
suddenly lost all red color. A little research and I found this is not
uncommon with this set, including the diode addition fix. I'm not
ready to order parts, but if this is what I need, I can't locate this
part anywhere. Search of web and this group came up empty. Anyone here
know of a cross reference part or where to purchase the original?
Thankyou for your time.
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TOPIC: 125 VAC motor won't start
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 3:18 pm
From: a453
Hi all I have a pump with a 2HP 125 V AC motor. All of a sudden the
motor wont start anymore. If I switch it on it just does a humming sound
and then thermal protection kicks in.
If I initiate the rotation of the motor by hand when the power is on the
motor does start working. The curious thing is that I can make it run
clockwise or counterclockwise by simply initiating the rotation by hand.
My guess is then that some electronic component that "tells" the motor
the direction in which to rotate is now broken and the motor "does not
know" any more wheter it must rotate clockwise or counterclockwise....
What should look in the electronics to try fix the motor? Condensers?
Diodes?....
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 4:08 pm
From: Archon
On 7/31/2010 6:18 PM, a453 wrote:
>
> Hi all I have a pump with a 2HP 125 V AC motor. All of a sudden the
> motor wont start anymore. If I switch it on it just does a humming sound
> and then thermal protection kicks in.
>
> If I initiate the rotation of the motor by hand when the power is on the
> motor does start working. The curious thing is that I can make it run
> clockwise or counterclockwise by simply initiating the rotation by hand.
>
> My guess is then that some electronic component that "tells" the motor
> the direction in which to rotate is now broken and the motor "does not
> know" any more wheter it must rotate clockwise or counterclockwise....
>
>
> What should look in the electronics to try fix the motor? Condensers?
> Diodes?....
Start capacitor most likely, they fail fairly often, if its a pool pump
a good pool supplies shop may have them.
JC
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 5:30 pm
From: Jamie
a453 wrote:
>
> Hi all I have a pump with a 2HP 125 V AC motor. All of a sudden the
> motor wont start anymore. If I switch it on it just does a humming sound
> and then thermal protection kicks in.
>
> If I initiate the rotation of the motor by hand when the power is on the
> motor does start working. The curious thing is that I can make it run
> clockwise or counterclockwise by simply initiating the rotation by hand.
>
> My guess is then that some electronic component that "tells" the motor
> the direction in which to rotate is now broken and the motor "does not
> know" any more wheter it must rotate clockwise or counterclockwise....
>
>
> What should look in the electronics to try fix the motor? Condensers?
> Diodes?....
if you have a capacitor on the motor or near by in the circuit? try
replacing it.. If you don't have a starting cap, then you may have a
stuck centrifugal switch in side the motor, that is normally located at
the rotor end where the wires go in..
They do make some set ups with external time delay relays that
connects the start winding, this done at times if the motor needs to be
reversed. Most cheaper ones use a bi-metal relay..
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 6:47 pm
From: whit3rd
On Jul 31, 3:18 pm, a453 <a...@a453.nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
> Hi all I have a pump with a 2HP 125 V AC motor. All of a sudden the
> motor wont start anymore. If I switch it on it just does a humming sound
> and then thermal protection kicks in.
Probably this is a motor with a centrifugal start switch; there's an
'extra' winding that only kicks in at slow revs (or on a cold start)
to get it started in the right direction.
If you're comfortable disassembling the motor, look for springloaded
arms on the rotor, and a push-plate that rubs a rod. That rod
is the switch actuator, look for dirt on the contacts.
There's sometimes a start capacitor in series with the switch,
it's the second suspect if cleaning the switch doesn't solve the
problem.
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TOPIC: SMT rework
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 5:38 pm
From: "Herman"
I am looking to buy a hot air SMT rework station. Only for occasional use.
I like the idea of the vacuum pencil and the hot tweezers. What would be
the recommended tips for general use for ICs and resistors etc. I do not
need to do the PLLC size chips. Price $300 max or so.
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TOPIC: Isopropyl Alcohol for Cleaning Flux
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 5:44 pm
From: "Paul E. Schoen"
"GregS" <zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com> wrote in message
news:i2kovd$d95$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu...
>
> I also remember fellow in our section, working on something new, computer
> "terminal monitors". There was some kind of problem, and he was taking
> some
> boards into the mens room to wash them off. i guess they worked after
> that.
Long ago (1980?) I remember having problems with leakage on a board that
stored voltages in polystyrene capacitors using CMOS switches and op-amps,
but the voltage would bleed off too quickly to be useful as a "memory". We
tried all sorts of flux removers and it still didn't work well enough. But I
had an idea that it might be ionic contaminants such as salt, so I took a
board into the mens room and scrubbed it with hand soap and flushed it with
hot water. Then I dried it with a heat gun, and "voila" it worked like a
champ rather than a chump.
I have had good results with isopropyl alcohol as a flux remover, applied
with a stiff "acid" brush with bristles cut short. It does leave a white
residue. But then I follow with a spray of detergent, scrubbing once again,
and the heat gun to dry it thoroughly. You need to be careful about
overheating, so I hold the board by hand on the edges and move the hot air
around. My fingers will hurt before I overheat the board. Seems to work very
well.
Paul
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 5:50 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"
> I remember having problems with leakage on a board that
> stored voltages in polystyrene capacitors using CMOS
> switches and op-amps, but the voltage would bleed off too
> quickly to be useful as a "memory". We tried all sorts of
> flux removers and it still didn't work well enough. But I had
> had an idea that it might be ionic contaminants such as
> salt, so I took a board into the mens room and scrubbed
> it with hand soap and flushed it with hot water. Then I dried
> it with a heat gun, and "voila" it worked like a champ rather
> than a chump.
Interesting observation.
Question... Wouldn't distilled water alone flush off ionic contaminants?
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 5:58 pm
From: "Paul E. Schoen"
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:i32gbp$hnm$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> I remember having problems with leakage on a board that
>> stored voltages in polystyrene capacitors using CMOS
>> switches and op-amps, but the voltage would bleed off too
>> quickly to be useful as a "memory". We tried all sorts of
>> flux removers and it still didn't work well enough. But I had
>> had an idea that it might be ionic contaminants such as
>> salt, so I took a board into the mens room and scrubbed
>> it with hand soap and flushed it with hot water. Then I dried
>> it with a heat gun, and "voila" it worked like a champ rather
>> than a chump.
>
> Interesting observation.
>
> Question... Wouldn't distilled water alone flush off ionic contaminants?
Probably. But there may be some sort of oily residue that will be removed by
the detergent. And hot water from the tap is much cheaper. It may be good to
do a final rinse with distilled or deionized water. I have heard that some
people stack their boards in a dishwasher. But my method works for me and is
is very practical for small quantities.
Paul
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