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TOPIC: TVs compatible, from one continent to the next??
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 1:51 am
From: mm

For 60 years, USA tv signals and European ones, etc. were not
compatible.

Did they make digital tvs compatible from the US to Europe to Asia to
Australia, etc?

I think they should have. If not, is it only the 50 versus 60
vertical scan rate that was the problem?

I don't think I've read anything about this.

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 4:58 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> Did they make digital TVs compatible from
> the US to Europe to Asia to Australia, etc?

The following gives an indirect answer...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_terrestrial_television

...which appears to be "no". There is no law of nature that prohibits a
multi-voltage, multi-standard receiver, but there is a law of economics --
there's little or no demand for one, as it would be useful only to people
who travelled a lot.

As for a single-inventory non-portable "universal" receiver... It would cost
more than a set that received only the local standard, so, again, you have
economics working against a multi-standard receiver.

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 5:09 am
From: Smitty Two

In article <1ncgi6pik5hl6cph01cq1v69l3b7u19mma@4ax.com>,
mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> For 60 years, USA tv signals and European ones, etc. were not
> compatible.
>
> Did they make digital tvs compatible from the US to Europe to Asia to
> Australia, etc?
>
> I think they should have. If not, is it only the 50 versus 60
> vertical scan rate that was the problem?
>
> I don't think I've read anything about this.

The North and South American standard is NTSC, which transmits 30 frames
per second, while PAL, used in Europe, is 25 frames per second. The
switch to digital didn't affect that.

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 5:21 am
From: "Dave Plowman (News)"

In article <prestwhich-D23460.05094208012011@mx02.eternal-september.org>,
Smitty Two <prestwhich@earthlink.net> wrote:
> The North and South American standard is NTSC, which transmits 30 frames
> per second, while PAL, used in Europe, is 25 frames per second. The
> switch to digital didn't affect that.

Digital is neither NTSC or PAL. Those are exclusively analogue. It rather
annoys that DVDs are labelled as NTSC and PAL when what they're referring
to is a region.

--
*He who laughs last, thinks slowest.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 5:48 am
From: Andrew Rossmann

In article <1ncgi6pik5hl6cph01cq1v69l3b7u19mma@4ax.com>, NOPSAMmm2005
@bigfoot.com says...
>
> For 60 years, USA tv signals and European ones, etc. were not
> compatible.
>
> Did they make digital tvs compatible from the US to Europe to Asia to
> Australia, etc?
>
> I think they should have. If not, is it only the 50 versus 60
> vertical scan rate that was the problem?
>
> I don't think I've read anything about this.

It wasn't just a 60Hz/50Hz scanrate issue. NTSC is 525 lines (480 of
picture), versus 625 lines (576 picture) for PAL. They also use
different methods of modulating the color in the signal. SECAM is
similar to PAL, but the color was different yet again.

It depends a bit on how you will view the signals. The basic HD formats
(720p, 1080i) seem to be the same everywhere, so connecting an HD
receiver (satellite or cable or similar) or something like BluRay or
upconverting DVD would be somewhat universal.

Many electronics these days have universal power supplies, and can
handle 110-220V@50-60Hz.

The hard part is if you want to use an antenna. Frequencies and even the
way the digital signal is modulated will vary from country to country,
not to mention the differneces in SD format.

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law!!
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== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 6:19 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> The North and South American standard is NTSC,
> which transmits 30 frames per second, while PAL,
> used in Europe, is 25 frames per second. The
> switch to digital didn't affect that.

Digital TV has its own formats and standards. It is NOT a "digitization" of
NTSC or PAL.

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 6:41 am
From: Smitty Two

In article <ig9rp2$q8o$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

> > The North and South American standard is NTSC,
> > which transmits 30 frames per second, while PAL,
> > used in Europe, is 25 frames per second. The
> > switch to digital didn't affect that.
>
> Digital TV has its own formats and standards. It is NOT a "digitization" of
> NTSC or PAL.

Nevertheless, European TV is still 25 fps, and US TV is still 30 fps, is
it not? Or am I more confused than normal today?

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 7:07 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

>> Digital TV has its own formats and standards. It is NOT
>> a "digitization" of NTSC or PAL.

> Nevertheless, European TV is still 25 fps, and US TV is
> still 30 fps, is it not? Or am I more confused than normal
> today?

The latter, probably. Check with the Wikipedia article to get an idea of
what the actual formats are.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 10:01 am
From: Allodoxaphobia

On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 04:51:12 -0500, mm wrote:
> For 60 years, USA tv signals and European ones, etc. were not
> compatible.
>
> Did they make digital tvs compatible from the US to Europe
> to Asia to Australia, etc?
>
> I think they should have.

Who are these "they"?

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 10:19 am
From: "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"

mm wrote:
> For 60 years, USA tv signals and European ones, etc. were not
> compatible.

Sort of. Multisystem TV's Were common in the 1980's. There were only 4 systems
of video, although there there were lots of ways to transmit them.

They were NTSC (60Hz, 3.57mHz color carrier), 50Hz PAL, 60Hz PAL, and 50Hz
SECAM. There also was 405 line UK TV (dropped in the early 1980's) and
NTSC 4.43 (same signal, color carrier moved to make cheaper playback equipment).

I still have a 1985 Sharp TV set that will play both NTSC versions, All PAL
versions, and SECAM from anywhere except France. I had a 14 system VCR that
would play and record French SECAM and a different TV set to play it on.

My kids use a 21 inch 4:3 CRT that is simialr, except that it does not
have a French tuner. It added component and S-video instead.

> Did they make digital tvs compatible from the US to Europe to Asia to
> Australia, etc?

I also have had VCRS that included digital TV standards converters. They
were multisystem VCRs with the conversion feature added on top.

But digital TV was not needed, analog TV's played the signals fine. It was
just a matter of adding the correct hardware.

> I think they should have. If not, is it only the 50 versus 60
> vertical scan rate that was the problem?

The color carrier. NTSC used a phase modulated color carrier at 3.5mHz. PAL
used a similar carrier at 4.43mHz. To fix a problem noticed in NTSC signals
the BBC adopted the practice (which was in the proposed NTSC spec but
dropped to save money) of alternating the phase every other line, hence
the name PAL (Phase Alternating Line).

TV sets which would lock on 50Hz or 60Hz signals as appropriate were not
a technical issue and by 1980 almost all made would anyway.

SECAM used a different decoding method, but those chips were easily found,
and it was common to see TV sets and VCRS that would play/record SECAM signals
broadcast using PAL over the air standards. Eastern Europe (Warsaw Pact
countries), most Arab countires, China, and the USSR used some form of SECAM
encoded signals with PAL frequencies.

The French used a different channel spacing, and AM sound, which made
their SECAM signals impossible to tune with the correct tuner. It also made
Eastern European TVs worthless in France and vice versa.

> I don't think I've read anything about this.

You either must have head your head under a rock, or live in the US and never
traveled out of there.

Note that I had several multisystem TV sets, VCRS (BETA and VHS), and even
a portable combination AM/FM/SW receiver and TV set that looked like a
Star Treck tri-corder, all puchased in the 1980's in Philly.

Geoff.

--
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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to misquote it.

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Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 2:39 am
From: adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham)

Jeroni Paul <JERONI.PAUL@terra.es> wrote:

> On 2 ene, 19:34, adr...@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian
> Tuddenham) wrote:
> > I have a three year old Canon A420 which has been working perfectly
> > until last week. Now pictures are coming out grossly over-exposed,
> > although they look satisfactory on the LCD screen right up to the point
> > where the release button is pressed.
> >
> > Moving from light to dark subjects, the system adjusts the image on the
> > screen to the changes in light level in a normal manner. Holding the
> > release button half way down 'freezes' a satisfactory picture, but then,
> > after pressing it the rest of the way, the stored result is whited-out.
> >
> > By deliberately choosing dark subject matter or something which needs
> > flash, I can force the correct exposure. The picture then appears to
> > have a fine horizontal line structure imposed on it.
>
> Given all your described sympthoms I would say it is the CCD sensor
> starting to fail. It is showing some dark rows across the pictures,
> typical of problems with these sensors. These dark rows make the
> camera think the picture is darker than it is and increases exposure
> to compensate. When you see the picture on its LCD live it is not
> analyzing all the rows but a small fraction and these failing rows
> have no impact at all, so it appears to work properly. But when you
> take the photo it processes all the information.

That sounds quite possible - especially as the sensor had been exposed
to very cold conditions for the first time and I now discover that
sensor faults were not unknown in early versions of this model.

> I think the sensor will have to be replaced (if worth) but meanwhile
> you can lower the exposure manually as you did as a workaround.

I've sent it away for repair and the quote was for a 'replacement lens
unit' (which presumably includes the sensor).

> Consider also that overexposed photos may be corrected to some degree
> with an editing program that can correct brightness/contrast. I get
> quite good results with MS Office photo editor, my camera has a
> tendency to take pictures too dark mainly under artificial light and I
> fix some of them before printing.

Most pictures were so severely 'crushed' that no recovery was possible -
I did manage to use one but it was a struggle.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 2:52 am
From: "N_Cook"

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a point rather than a line so it punctures through the silver? plating of
the tipping contact, into ther base metal. Then an irregular surface to trap
contamination etc inside the pit . Regular format like standard toggle
sw would have the fixed contacts appearing as a line because orthogonal to
the casing rather than 45 degree set.
By X wing I mean this external appearance
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:OPXHa_CHLpMgiM:
rather than
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:jrpyuMl8iMi8tM:

Who designs these things? probably graphic artists or media consultants
because the X appearance looks good.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 5:27 am
From: "N_Cook"

For anyone else coming across these variants - WUT Pat No 168524 proudly
embossed on the side.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 4:45 am
From: "Arfa Daily"

"PeterD" <peter2@hipson.net> wrote in message
news:a52fi6htrc69tmdk5mcdhjpnqijs1gj07q@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:59:37 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:58:21 -0600, Jeffrey Angus wrote:
>>
>>> Customer brings in a lap top. "Won't boot"
>>>
>>> So you do the usual amount of diagnostics and knock a little sense back
>>> into the machine.
>>>
>>> Being nosy of course, you check out the pictures folder to see what
>>> their kinks are.
>>>
>>> Oh, my definitely a bozo no no there.....
>>>
>>> So what do you do?
>>> (Some answers giving below are tongue in cheek for the humor impaired.)
>>>
>>> Act like nothing happened?
>>>
>>> Congratulate them on their tastes?
>>>
>>> Wipe the drive with something like bcwipe and give it back to them?
>>>
>>> Spin up the drive separately and bang it against the desk repeatedly
>>> until you knock a head loose?
>>>
>>> Make copies for yourself?
>>>
>>> Hand it over to the local police?
>>>
>>> Give it back to the customer and turn them in after a few weeks?
>>>
>>> Charge the customer extra and demand payment to keep quiet?
>>>
>>> The two things that bother me the most are the police have a terrible
>>> track record on anonymous and the lawyers like to claim that YOU put it
>>> there.
>>>
>>> So, what to do?
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>>I'll assume you found some child porn. If it were me I would hand it over
>>to the cops.
>
> Assuming child porn, he may not have an option, but be required to
> hand it over or face possible legal concequences. Consider this, a
> week later, the guy is busted for something else, and the porn is
> discovered... What are the odds that he will say "Wasn't on my
> computer before I took it to ABC for service, they must have dropped
> that suff on the drive, not me!" and when the authorities come to you,
> what are you going to say? You didn't report it? That's a crime in
> many places. You didn't do it? Try to prove it!
>
>> Can't say I really hate much about the world but child abuse
>>and those who do the abuse would be 1 of the few things I hate.

I talked to a friend of mine who does computer service, about this. He says
that virtually every machine he sees has 'dubious' material on it, but he
disputes that the argument that "the stuff was put on there by the guy that
repaired it" would ever wash, as he says that there are download dates and
so on, deeply embedded in the files, that any forensic computer expert
working for the police, could easily dig out. and use to prove exactly when
the material was placed on the machine. However, he says that in all the
years that he's been doing it, he has never seen a machine come in for
repair, with CP on it.

Arfa

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 6:13 am
From: PeterD

On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 15:20:48 -0700, D Yuniskis
<not.going.to.be@seen.com> wrote:

>On 1/7/2011 2:44 PM, PeterD wrote:
>>>...
>>
>> Assuming child porn, he may not have an option, but be required to
>> hand it over or face possible legal concequences. Consider this, a
>> week later, the guy is busted for something else, and the porn is
>> discovered... What are the odds that he will say "Wasn't on my
>> computer before I took it to ABC for service, they must have dropped
>> that suff on the drive, not me!" and when the authorities come to you,
>> what are you going to say? You didn't report it? That's a crime in
>> many places. You didn't do it? Try to prove it!
>
>IANAL. But, ...
>
>Technically, the burden of proof that you *did* it lies with
>the authorities (though that doesn't mean to say you're not
>going to be in for a lot of headache, etc.).

Current law enforcement in the USA no longer works that way. You are
required to prove your are innocent or else you are considered guilty.
>E.g., you can
>*kill* an intruder in your house, here -- but, be prepared
>to spend a year in the court system defending your actions
>(and who knows how much exposure to civil suits you might have!)
>
>[note that you are still, potentially, in this predicament
>even if you didn't *know* there was something "illegal" on
>the machine]
>
>Proving you were unaware of it can be tricky.

Proving you didn't put the porn on the customer's computer would be
nearly impossible. The assumption will be that you are guilty in most
locations.

Generally speaking convictions are so easy (because of the emotional
aspect mostly) that proof needed is minimal. It is NOT worth the risk.

> Most systems
>track accesses to files -- in several different ways. Some
>filesystems track "last access time". Many applications
>maintain MRU lists. And, presentation layers might also.
>
>I.e., if you used *his* machine to view *his* files, the
>machine can attest to the fact that "someone looked at this"
>at some particular time (he can then claim you had physical
>possession of the device at the time in question).
>
>Of course, you can cook all of this data in the machine
>and make it *claim* anything you want (i.e., last accessed
>20 years ago -- before the laptop was even manufactured! :< ).
>Though you then leave yourself open to suspicion for simply
>*knowing* how to do these things!
>
>However, if you have *told* anyone about this, then you (and
>they!) are complicit.
>
>I stand by my original comment: *looking* is your first mistake!
>When you're in business, you are always at increased risk for
>"problems" because you typically deal with a variety of people
>about which you know very little (this is why I only service
>computers of friends/neighbors/relatives).

Looking was a major blunder. Violated ethics and privacy laws. That we
can easily agree on!

>
>>> Can't say I really hate much about the world but child abuse
>>> and those who do the abuse would be 1 of the few things I hate.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 6:15 am
From: PeterD

On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 12:45:45 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>
>
>"PeterD" <peter2@hipson.net> wrote in message
>news:a52fi6htrc69tmdk5mcdhjpnqijs1gj07q@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:59:37 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:58:21 -0600, Jeffrey Angus wrote:
>>>
>>>> Customer brings in a lap top. "Won't boot"
>>>>
>>>> So you do the usual amount of diagnostics and knock a little sense back
>>>> into the machine.
>>>>
>>>> Being nosy of course, you check out the pictures folder to see what
>>>> their kinks are.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, my definitely a bozo no no there.....
>>>>
>>>> So what do you do?
>>>> (Some answers giving below are tongue in cheek for the humor impaired.)
>>>>
>>>> Act like nothing happened?
>>>>
>>>> Congratulate them on their tastes?
>>>>
>>>> Wipe the drive with something like bcwipe and give it back to them?
>>>>
>>>> Spin up the drive separately and bang it against the desk repeatedly
>>>> until you knock a head loose?
>>>>
>>>> Make copies for yourself?
>>>>
>>>> Hand it over to the local police?
>>>>
>>>> Give it back to the customer and turn them in after a few weeks?
>>>>
>>>> Charge the customer extra and demand payment to keep quiet?
>>>>
>>>> The two things that bother me the most are the police have a terrible
>>>> track record on anonymous and the lawyers like to claim that YOU put it
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> So, what to do?
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>I'll assume you found some child porn. If it were me I would hand it over
>>>to the cops.
>>
>> Assuming child porn, he may not have an option, but be required to
>> hand it over or face possible legal concequences. Consider this, a
>> week later, the guy is busted for something else, and the porn is
>> discovered... What are the odds that he will say "Wasn't on my
>> computer before I took it to ABC for service, they must have dropped
>> that suff on the drive, not me!" and when the authorities come to you,
>> what are you going to say? You didn't report it? That's a crime in
>> many places. You didn't do it? Try to prove it!
>>
>>> Can't say I really hate much about the world but child abuse
>>>and those who do the abuse would be 1 of the few things I hate.
>
>I talked to a friend of mine who does computer service, about this. He says
>that virtually every machine he sees has 'dubious' material on it, but he
>disputes that the argument that "the stuff was put on there by the guy that
>repaired it" would ever wash, as he says that there are download dates and
>so on, deeply embedded in the files, that any forensic computer expert
>working for the police, could easily dig out. and use to prove exactly when
>the material was placed on the machine. However, he says that in all the
>years that he's been doing it, he has never seen a machine come in for
>repair, with CP on it.
>
>Arfa

One major issue here is that we still have many investigators who are
so computer illertate that they can't find this type of information.
Things are getting better however and they will eventually be able to
understand computers, file information, etc.

But it still presents a major risk to the service people, and (as
mentioned) looking was a major fuck-up on the technican's part.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 6:05 am
From: bok118@zonnet.nl (Gerard Bok)

On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 06:24:12 -0800, Smitty Two
<prestwhich@earthlink.net> wrote:

>A friend is being coerced by circumstance into learning a bit of
>electronics, and has need for a basic scope.

For basics, I would advice him to run a soundcard-as-scope
program on his PC. Freeware widely available and suitable for
basic stuff.
Let him note the limitations he observes and that will give him
his 'shopping list' when buying a real scope.

>Requirements are minimal, dual trace would be nice but
>we aren't talking about stratospheric frequencies or many bells and
>whistles.

See ? :-)

--
Kind regards,
Gerard Bok

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 6:30 am
From: SRAVANTHI LOVE

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 6:40 am
From: Bruce Esquibel

Chris F. <zappyman@hotmail.com> wrote:

> but now the bloody IC's have blown again. The supply voltage to the IC's is
> a solid 25V (pos. and neg.), well within the 50V max. supply voltage the
> IC's are rated for. Both IC's are properly heatsinked, though they seem to

Hate to sound like Joe Obvious, but where did you get the 50V max from and
is that max for each input voltage or a potential across them?

The one thing that jumps out with the above is, +25 and -25 gives a working
voltage of 50V, if you see what I mean.

Just saying, even if each leg was only a volt high (instead of +24/-24),
given the amount of current those things draw, probably adds up to a few
watts of less heat it has to get rid of.

Just throwing a thought out.

-bruce
bje@ripco.com

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 7:51 am
From: "Chris F."

> Hate to sound like Joe Obvious, but where did you get the 50V max from and
> is that max for each input voltage or a potential across them?
>
> The one thing that jumps out with the above is, +25 and -25 gives a
> working
> voltage of 50V, if you see what I mean.
>

Never thought of that. It actually specifies +/- 20V on the board itself,
however I was measuring this with the convergence board disconnected - not
sure what the actual voltage is while under load, and now I'd have to
replace the IC's again to find out.
Not sure if I want to gamble another $50 on this thing or not.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 7:14 am
From: "(PeteCresswell)"

Per klem kedidelhopper:
>I just was given two 36 volt Dewalt drill batteries that would not
>take a charge. I opened them up and found what looks like the charger
>unit built right into the battery pack. These batteries are about the
>size of C batteries but a little bigger. They measure about 3.2 volts
>apiece. I know that these are li-on cells because there are 8 monitor
>wires going into the charger unit. One pack has one bad battery and
>the other has several bad ones. I also have a set of these type of
>batteries that came out of a laptop. The shame of it is I really can't
>do anything with any of these good cells because I have no way to
>recharge any of these. Does anyone know of a generic charger for li-on
>cells or some way that I can recharge these? Thanks, Lenny

If they are DeWalt DC9360's, what looks like a charger unit is
for cell protection. Each cell's voltage is monitored, and the
pack is shut down before it can be drained to the point where
cells are damaged. Might have more functionality to somehow
work with an external charger, but I am unaware of it.

The cells are A123's and I *think* they are a variation on the
Lithium chemistry that is not subject to bursting into flame
if/when things go wrong.

I charge mine with a DeWalt charger dedicated to DC9360
batteries. Can't recall the price, but it was quite reasonable.

For chargers that will do individual cells, look to the model
airplane suppliers.
--
PeteCresswell

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