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TOPIC: CRT vertical deflection -- bad solder joints?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 28 2011 4:15 am
From: Mike Tomlinson

In article <fa3b18fc-cf26-4f79-8899-e45f302cb1e6@l14g2000pre.googlegroup
s.com>, Sean Hamilton <seanhamilton@gmail.com> writes

>Is it likely that bad solder joints would cause vertical foldover in a
>mid-90s CRT television?

Yes, but it's more likely to be a bad cap.

> However, the problem seems more
>like a bad capacitor

Yes.

> -- but they all seem fine, at least with visual
>inspection.

Visual inspection is not enough. You need an ESR meter.

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Mike Tomlinson

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 28 2011 3:08 pm
From: whit3rd

On Monday, March 28, 2011 4:15:45 AM UTC-7, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
> In article <fa3b18fc-cf26-4f79-8899-e45f302cb1e6@l14g2000pre.googlegroup
> s.com>, Sean Hamilton <seanha...@gmail.com> writes
>
> >Is it likely that bad solder joints would cause vertical foldover in a
> >mid-90s CRT television?
>
> Yes, but it's more likely to be a bad cap.

> Visual inspection is not enough. You need an ESR meter.

Maybe not; the ESR issues crop up mainly in high-performance
low voltage power supplies (like computers); the vertical
sweep circuit doesn't need a low-ESR capacitor. It will
take (and work well with) just about any capacitor with
adequate voltage rating and capacity.

The capacitor is inexpensive; just replace it with a new one,
don't bother with testing the old unit.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 28 2011 5:51 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"whit3rd" <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:157d392f-817a-4788-b72b-5198c68bb1af@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com...
> On Monday, March 28, 2011 4:15:45 AM UTC-7, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
>> In article <fa3b18fc-cf26-4f79-8899-e45f302cb1e6@l14g2000pre.googlegroup
>> s.com>, Sean Hamilton <seanha...@gmail.com> writes
>>
>> >Is it likely that bad solder joints would cause vertical foldover in a
>> >mid-90s CRT television?
>>
>> Yes, but it's more likely to be a bad cap.
>
>> Visual inspection is not enough. You need an ESR meter.
>
> Maybe not; the ESR issues crop up mainly in high-performance
> low voltage power supplies (like computers); the vertical
> sweep circuit doesn't need a low-ESR capacitor. It will
> take (and work well with) just about any capacitor with
> adequate voltage rating and capacity.
>
> The capacitor is inexpensive; just replace it with a new one,
> don't bother with testing the old unit.

I think you are missing the point of what he was saying regarding ESR. This
parameter is a valid test of the 'goodness' of any electrolytic capacitor,
regardless of its ESR pedigree. Even 'normal' electrolytics have a
relatively low ESR when they are properly functional. As they fail, that
figure will increase, and that is readily spotted with an ESR meter. As to
the OP's actual problem, whilst bad joints in vertical output stages in CRT
televisions were common, this more often lead to initially intermittent, and
finally permanent frame collapse, than geometry problems like foldover,
which the OP said was the problem he had. My money would be 100% on it being
a bad cap, or possibly the feed resistor to the output IC having gone high.
This was also a relatively common problem on many chassis, and could cause a
severe foldover, usually at the bottom of the screen where the deflection
drive current needed to be at its highest.

Arfa

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TOPIC: Followup on PC built outside the case
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/0d2154667b5db60e?hl=en
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Date: Mon, Mar 28 2011 6:48 am
From: chuck

On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 23:01:09 -0700, D <none@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 3/25/2011 9:08 AM, Meat Plow wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:07:13 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>
>>>> My gut feeling is that when you get it in a case, properly grounded and
>>>> cooled, it will be fine.
>>>
>>> Ditto. I've seen this with other products. They fail to work correctly
>>> outside the case or cabinet, for no obvious reason, but (after hours of
>>> frustrating troubleshooting) they work correctly when put back.
>>
>> That would be my advice also. Get it mounted proper in a case and see
>> what happens. Not only the proper grounding but the proper airflow over
>> the devices.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Thanks for the continued input everyone. Most recent developments: I
>again tried the Win 7 on my new SATA, but with a known-good PSU, and it
>froze in about 15 minutes. So it's not the PSU. After this, I loaded a
>32 bit copy of XP Pro on an IDE drive, and the machine has run for about
>4 hours without a freeze (I should add I loaded Win 7 previously on this
>same drive, and it froze like it did on the SATA). During the time the
>machine has been running fine under XP Pro, the PC has been surfing the
>internet on one monitor, while continuously playing .VOB videos on VLC
>with the audio muted on a remote plasma (like the older build this one
>is to replace, I use the computer for general PC use as well as for a
>HTPC), while also playing a 2 hour MP3 on Winamp. One possible
>conclusion from this that either the PC, or the video card, does not
>like 64 bits. Reading the reviews of the board on Newegg, many people
>seem to be running Win 7 64 bit with no problem, so I'm guessing it's
>not that the MOBO has a problem with that OS. Am I correct that it would
>be unlikely for either the RAM or the CPU to be intolerant of 64 bit Win 7?
>
>BTW, ran Memtest for ~ 3 hours. No errors.
>
>I'm considering replacing the vid card, since it seems a very likely
>suspect. I'm not a gamer (though this gear should be up to it), so I
>don't need anything tooooo drastic (read, EXPENSIVE). As JL suggested,
>I'm wondering about the PCI E 2.0 slots. Also, I've been using a X16
>slot (MOBO also has X8 slots). Could the Vid card be the culprit? And
>opinions on this card for my applications:
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814131350
>
>Thanks again for the replies!
>
>Dan

On the Dell that I previously mentioned, playing Winamp while using IE
results in a blue screen within a 1/2 hour . On Friday I updated all
drivers and firmware and ran Dell's self diagnostics; still computer
blue screens when using Winamp. It also crashes when streaming audio
using Real Player though it might take an hour or so. Chuck

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TOPIC: Marshall JCM 2000, 1998
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Date: Mon, Mar 28 2011 6:50 am
From: "N_Cook"

Added a 12V 1.5 inch fan at the Tx. Using the unused heater tag for main
mount of the fan to solder a solder tag then that bolted to the fan.
Setting fan at 20 degrees to the horizontal and cutting and fitting a
shroud from that red impregnated cardboard stuff to direct the flow into one
side , up, over top and back out the other side between windings and bobbin.
As secondary side gets hotter than primary , fan positioned mainly on that
side
Air flow checked using a joss stick. Perhaps next time using some DC from
the amp rather than bridge rect and cap off the heater supply as light
current drops in the diodes bring it down to less than 9V . Retained the
template for the shroud for the next one of these to attend to.

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Date: Mon, Mar 28 2011 7:03 am
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TOPIC: Magnavox ZV450MW8A Remote Control Fix?
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Date: Mon, Mar 28 2011 10:56 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Guv Bob wrote:
>
> I have had this DVD/VCR combo unit for over 3 years now, and would like to find out if anyone has found a 3rd party remote control that can be used with it, or if the factory has a remote with upgraded software.
>
> The device is top quality and the manual is excellent, but the remote is so complicated and non-intuitive that if you don't use it every day, you have to go back to the manual, even after this long time.
>
> The manual does leave out some basic steps -- like how to set the record speed (which they call "mode"). I'm fairly good with electronics (servicing industrial electronics is my business) and took me a good year before I could make basic settings without looking it up.
>
> Most of the features can't be done from the device and must be done via the remote control which is cryptic. It has way too many buttons, even for a combo unity, and has tiny labels that can't be read in a darkened room. If you hit a wrong button, sometimes it is impossible to figure out how to return the device to normal use without digging out the manual again. My manual is well worn and has many notes scribbled in it now.
>
> One problem is that when you are using the timer, you have to turn the device off and on with a button other than the ON/OFF button. If your lovely wife comes in and used ON/OFF, it disables the timer, and must be reset again with the special non-ON/OFF button.
>
> It is a real shame that such a fine device from a good manufacturer has such a poor user interface. A better designed remote would completely change the usability.

Wrong newsgroup. This is a test equipment newsgroup. You want
news:sci.electronics.repair.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

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TOPIC: Viewsonic G810 with weird horizontal problem
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/fb407eb5e24f82b2?hl=en
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Date: Mon, Mar 28 2011 1:02 pm
From: "Eike Lantzsch, ZP6CGE"

Hi:

I have a Viewsonic G810 CRT monitor on the bench with a weird horizontal
problem.
I'll start at the beginning.
The picture started to wiggle horizontally. Sparks could be heard close
to the HV section. Eventually there was a bright vertical line then the
screen went dark.

Cause: A 4-pin connector was completely fried. It connects two blue and two
grey wires, which are slung in an 8 around the neck of the CRT and the
yoke.
Also the horizontal transistor 2SC5411 was fried.

The flyback, which was the first suspect, is OK however.

Now to the weird problem:

When switched on, the picture shows briefly on the screen. It is a bit
murky.
It also is masked on the left from top to bottom by a curved black zone
about an inch from the edge.
On the right it is masked with a curved black zone, but this one is
running from the right screen edge into the middle like a tsunami wave
covering real estate. Then something switches off the cathode ray. HV is
still present.
Switching the monitor off and on repeats the phenomenon.

Disconnecting the connector with the blue and grey wires reduces the
picture to a bright vertical line.

Mind: the picture is not squeezed in the horizontal direction - geometry
is OK but the dark zones mask the picture.

I never before saw thelike and have no idea what may be wrong.
I thought I connected back everything correctly but I may be wrong.
Is somebody out there with a hint for me - short of trashing the old
monitor and to get myself a new LCD one.

Kind regards
Eike Lantzsch

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Date: Mon, Mar 28 2011 1:45 pm
From: "Ian Field"

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:imfd5k$6fl$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> The odd thing is, while the motor runs OK with NiMh cells,
>>>> it [sic] cuts out if the charger is plugged in -- that doesn't
>>>> happen with NiMh cells fitted.
>
>>> I'm a bit confused as to what the /exact/ problem is. Could you
>>> clarify? What exactly is "it" that cuts out? The charging? The motor?
>
>> The motor cuts out.
>
> Thanks.
>
> That's got me scratching my head. Why should the battery type have any
> effect whatsoever on whether the charger powers the motor?
>
> Does the motor run when no battery is installed?

Maybe someone else could try that experiment in case the improper load makes
the charging circuit go phut.

Having found a selection of AA NiCds in the bits box I charged them all and
staged "battery races" - that is put 2 cells in the shaver at a time until
the low voltage shutdown trips, each time eliminating the cell that gave up
and putting the winner back in the charger ready for the semi-finals.

The final 2 cells give a reasonable running time but it seems a bit
sluggish.

So I tried running down a pair of NiMh cells and recharging them - so far so
good.

It turns out that plugging in the charger only makes the motor cut out when
the batteries are fully charged - which actually isn't a problem.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 28 2011 3:57 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> It turns out that plugging in the charger only makes the
> motor cut out when the batteries are fully charged --
> which actually isn't a problem.

Dr Land wins again... "We already know the answers -- we haven't asked the
right questions."

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Date: Mon, Mar 28 2011 2:16 pm
From: "Gareth Magennis"

"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:immshl$pk5$1@dont-email.me...
> The manual is now on eservice but Yam considers the amps as non-component
> level repair, uses ST P14NF12FP powerFET. Would anyone know where the
> schema
> for them is? not too complex to determine myself, but just in case if
> anyone's been there before. The Stagepas 500 is also on e-s , the amp cct
> is
> included on that one, but not similar. Probably get another of these in
> next
> week to repair
>
>

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Date: Mon, Mar 28 2011 7:33 pm
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