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TOPIC: Blew another damn transformer on my Trane XB80
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/f883cd09a3a0b791?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 12:07 am
From: David Nebenzahl

On 4/12/2011 9:23 PM Don Klipstein spake thus:

> I have yet to look at these diagrams, but is the circuit board
> powered by this tranny shown to "board level" as opposed to "component
> level"? If so, then the board can have, probably does have, a rectifier
> not shown in the diagram.

With all the pontificating you've been doing here, Don, I would've
thought you'd at least had glanced at the wiring diagrams the OP posted,
way up there somewhere. Sheesh.

The controller is shown as a block. It most certainly has at least one
rectifier on it, as it contains electronics that no doubt requires DC
power to operate. Thought you'd have figured it out. (Not just a relay
board.)

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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 4:22 am
From: "trader4@optonline.net"

On Apr 12, 8:49 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In article <9fOdnZZQwKACfjnQnZ2dnUVZ_rmdn...@giganews.com>, Dave M wrote:
> >Don Klipstein wrote:
> >> In article <90j6ugFlu...@mid.individual.net>, Tony Miklos wrote:
>
> >>> Yes, the thread got too long. If you saw the photo, and know the
> >>> primary went open on 3 transformers, it sure looks like a problem on
> >>> the primary side. If the load was too much, those wires on the
> >>> secondary side would most likely have been at the very least
> >>> discolored from the heat.
>
> >> This makes me think the most likely causes are:
>
> >> * Improperly connecting the transformer (such as using only 1 of
> >> the 2 primaries of a 120/240V dual primary transformer)
>
> >> * DC flowing through the secondary. That can occur if the tranny's
> >> load has a fullwave rectifier with one diode open. If the fullwave
> >> rectifier has discrete diodes or a dual diode, the problem may be a
> >> bad solder joint at one of the diodes.
>
> >That's not true. an open rectifier does not allow DC current to flow
> >through the secondary. It's just 1/2 of the power line cycle. During the
> >opposite half of the cycle, no current flows in the secondary. True, it's
> >unidirectional current, but it's an intermittent current, not constant DC.
> >If your statement were true, then half-wave rectifiers wouldn't be feasible.
>
> A unidirectional pulsing waveform has a DC component.
>
> That analyzes to a sum of DC, fundamental frequency AC, and AC at
> harmonic frequencies. The average as averaged over a whole cycle is the
> DC component.
>
> It is fairly well known that a transformer driving a halfwave rectified
> load can run into core saturation problems from the DC component in the
> unidirectionally pulsing current waveform.
>
> --
> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Interesting theory. One helpful piece of info which it's quite
amazing we
still don't have is what the currents are on both sides of the
transformer.
For saturation to occur I would think the transformer would have to
be close
to fully loaded. Which it could be, given the trends to lower cost,
cheaper
components, etc.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 2:46 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 04:23:08 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

>In <rj1aq6lpg08u5m3l8tqn1q3j8vjtiun6be@4ax.com>, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>On 13 Apr 2011 09:57:33 +1000, "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
>>>"Dave M"
>>>>
>>>> That's not true. an open rectifier does not allow DC current to flow
>>>> through the secondary. It's just 1/2 of the power line cycle. During the
>>>> opposite half of the cycle, no current flows in the secondary.
>>>
>>>** So the average value is non zero and that means there is a DC component
>>>to the current.
>>>
>>>> True, it's unidirectional current, but it's an intermittent current, not
>>>> constant DC.
>>>
>>>** It will show a nice, steady reading on a DC current meter.
>>>
>>>The interesting thing is how there is no corresponding DC component in the
>>>primary current.
>>>
>>>.... Phil
>>
>>Unless the half wave rectifier is on the PRIMARY side.
>
> There won't be a rectifier feeding the primary of a transformer with DC.
>A transformer does not pass DC from one winding to another the way it does
>with AC.

I fully understand that, byt what happens if, say, the Mrs plugs her
cheap blow drier into the same circuit as the primary of the
transformer is plugged in to, and she puts the blow drier on low (it
uses a half wave rectifier to drop the power to the heater) - and you
end up with a DC component on the primary - which saturates the
primary without any increase in secondary (load) current or power.
>
> Changing AC that transformers work with to DC that electronics work with
>has to occur downstream of the transformer.
>
I am very aware of that.
>>I don't see any evidence of that on any of the diagrams I saw, but is
>>there something else on this furnace circuit? By code there cannot be
>>- but we don't know know this to be the case - or what is on the
>>circuit if there is.
>
> I have yet to look at these diagrams, but is the circuit board
>powered by this tranny shown to "board level" as opposed to "component
>level"? If so, then the board can have, probably does have, a rectifier
>not shown in the diagram.

Again, fully aware that the circuit board WILL have a rectifier which
is not shown on the diagram, and better than 95% chance it is full
wave bridge rectifier. There are precious few solid state control
devices that run on AC.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 3:06 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 04:22:15 -0700 (PDT), "trader4@optonline.net"
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Apr 12, 8:49 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>> In article <9fOdnZZQwKACfjnQnZ2dnUVZ_rmdn...@giganews.com>, Dave M wrote:
>> >Don Klipstein wrote:
>> >> In article <90j6ugFlu...@mid.individual.net>, Tony Miklos wrote:
>>
>> >>> Yes, the thread got too long. If you saw the photo, and know the
>> >>> primary went open on 3 transformers, it sure looks like a problem on
>> >>> the primary side. If the load was too much, those wires on the
>> >>> secondary side would most likely have been at the very least
>> >>> discolored from the heat.
>>
>> >> This makes me think the most likely causes are:
>>
>> >> * Improperly connecting the transformer (such as using only 1 of
>> >> the 2 primaries of a 120/240V dual primary transformer)
>>
>> >> * DC flowing through the secondary. That can occur if the tranny's
>> >> load has a fullwave rectifier with one diode open. If the fullwave
>> >> rectifier has discrete diodes or a dual diode, the problem may be a
>> >> bad solder joint at one of the diodes.
>>
>> >That's not true. an open rectifier does not allow DC current to flow
>> >through the secondary. It's just 1/2 of the power line cycle. During the
>> >opposite half of the cycle, no current flows in the secondary. True, it's
>> >unidirectional current, but it's an intermittent current, not constant DC.
>> >If your statement were true, then half-wave rectifiers wouldn't be feasible.
>>
>> A unidirectional pulsing waveform has a DC component.
>>
>> That analyzes to a sum of DC, fundamental frequency AC, and AC at
>> harmonic frequencies. The average as averaged over a whole cycle is the
>> DC component.
>>
>> It is fairly well known that a transformer driving a halfwave rectified
>> load can run into core saturation problems from the DC component in the
>> unidirectionally pulsing current waveform.
>>
>> --
>> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Interesting theory. One helpful piece of info which it's quite
>amazing we
>still don't have is what the currents are on both sides of the
>transformer.
> For saturation to occur I would think the transformer would have to
>be close
>to fully loaded. Which it could be, given the trends to lower cost,
>cheaper
>components, etc.

As I posted in an earlier post (not sure what values I used, but I'll
run a scenario anyway), assuming a 2 ohm winding, a 2 volt DC
component will cause 1 AMP of current to flow in the winding. IF that
coil happens to be the primary of a 40va transformer, The full load
current on that transformer is about 350ma, so the probability that 1
amp of current in the primary, with no AC voltage applied, would have
more than saturated the core is pretty good.
Add the quiescent current of the primary, and you have a saturated
core. And that's just a 2 volt DC component on a 115 volt primary.

If the primary is 4 ohms instead of 2, you have half an amp with 2
volts, or 1 amp with 4 volts.

Doesn't take much to put 2 volts DC across a 115 volt line.

See http://sound.westhost.com/articles/xfmr-dc.htm for more
information from someone who may have a bit more credibility than you
guys may give me.

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TOPIC: Yamaha StagePas300
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 4:17 am
From: Ron

Yamaha StagePas

Did I read somewhere that it's inadvisable to use metal bodied jacks on
the amplifier module outputs as the left and right grounds are at
differing potentials?

Or did I imagine that?

Ron(UK)

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 5:29 am
From: "N_Cook"

Ron <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
news:eJGdnZL4h_LfGzjQnZ2dnUVZ8h6dnZ2d@bt.com...
> Yamaha StagePas
>
> Did I read somewhere that it's inadvisable to use metal bodied jacks on
> the amplifier module outputs as the left and right grounds are at
> differing potentials?
>
> Or did I imagine that?
>
> Ron(UK)

That is the 500 has an inverted channel, 300 is nomal,
circuits etc on eservice for both.
the 300 PA units are , AFAICS, the same as the 500 including overlay numbers
just scaled component ratings , detailed in that manual.
As it happens moving from bench testing a 300 PA to powering properly in the
chassis.
Check the state of the fans while at it, see thread a week ago "white
coating ..."

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 7:56 am
From: "N_Cook"

Beware of topside solder (double sided board) of drain of Q7109 , crosslink
to Q7103 , both powerFET. Have to remove large C2124 rather than removing
the 30uH to get to that solder point
R3114 , not labelled on overlay of the 300 is 1K , not 470R as the 500

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 11:16 am
From: "Gareth Magennis"

"Ron" <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
news:eJGdnZL4h_LfGzjQnZ2dnUVZ8h6dnZ2d@bt.com...
> Yamaha StagePas
>
> Did I read somewhere that it's inadvisable to use metal bodied jacks on
> the amplifier module outputs as the left and right grounds are at
> differing potentials?
>
> Or did I imagine that?
>
> Ron(UK)

Yes, I said that.

But particularly metal right angle jacks that are almost bound to end in
disaster.

Gareth.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 11:53 am
From: Ron

On 13/04/2011 19:16, Gareth Magennis wrote:
>
>
> "Ron" <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:eJGdnZL4h_LfGzjQnZ2dnUVZ8h6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Yamaha StagePas
>>
>> Did I read somewhere that it's inadvisable to use metal bodied jacks
>> on the amplifier module outputs as the left and right grounds are at
>> differing potentials?
>>
>> Or did I imagine that?
>>
>> Ron(UK)
>
>
>
> Yes, I said that.
>
>
> But particularly metal right angle jacks that are almost bound to end in
> disaster.
>
>
> Gareth.

Ah thanks Gareth, I checked the circuit diag and yes the two amps are
'out of phase' I`ve been asked a couple of times to make short link
cables with right angled jacks for the 'docked' amp to its own speaker.
I`ll have to warn customers in future.

Ron

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 1:20 pm
From: "Gareth Magennis"

"Ron" <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
news:BKednfpR2PqgbDjQnZ2dnUVZ7sadnZ2d@bt.com...
> On 13/04/2011 19:16, Gareth Magennis wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Ron" <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
>> news:eJGdnZL4h_LfGzjQnZ2dnUVZ8h6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Yamaha StagePas
>>>
>>> Did I read somewhere that it's inadvisable to use metal bodied jacks
>>> on the amplifier module outputs as the left and right grounds are at
>>> differing potentials?
>>>
>>> Or did I imagine that?
>>>
>>> Ron(UK)
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I said that.
>>
>>
>> But particularly metal right angle jacks that are almost bound to end in
>> disaster.
>>
>>
>> Gareth.
>
> Ah thanks Gareth, I checked the circuit diag and yes the two amps are 'out
> of phase' I`ve been asked a couple of times to make short link cables with
> right angled jacks for the 'docked' amp to its own speaker. I`ll have to
> warn customers in future.
>
> Ron

I don't quite understand how such designs ever make it to production.

Gareth.

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TOPIC: Servis M6712W (washing machine)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 5:22 am
From: PeterD

On 4/12/2011 5:59 PM, Jack00 wrote:
> I have this machine which works fine until at the end of the cycle it
> makes a ticking noise which is very annoying. Does anyone have a
> solution?
>
> Thanks

Earplugs...

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TOPIC: Help to identify capacitor please
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 1:22 am
From: Markt

'Phil Allison[_2_ Wrote:
> ;2627576']"Markt"-
>
> 'Phil Allison:-
>
> ** Its a 330 nF cap rated at 250 volts DC - a very poor choice by the
> maker.-
>
> I take it that you mean the working voltage is to low, what voltage
> would be appropriate?-
>
>
> ** Film caps rated for continuous use across the AC supply are special
> types - known as class X1 or class X2
>
> They are AC voltage rated, usually at 150 or 275 volts and carry logos
> from
> agencies like UL.
>
>
> ...... Phil

Thanks again Phil

I have seen X1 & X2 caps in the R.S. and Farnell books thanks for the
advice.

Mark

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TOPIC: LG refrigerator model LBN2251#** problems
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 7:48 am
From: nesesu

On Apr 11, 5:20 pm, klem kedidelhopper <captainvideo462...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 11, 11:53 am, nesesu <neil_sutcli...@telus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 10:08 pm, Geoff <y...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > klem kedidelhopper <captainvideo462...@gmail.com> wrote in news:dd664d3b-
> > > 3c48-492b-b116-20f9a8e7e...@v10g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > > The refrigerator section is running at about 46 degrees and the
> > > > freezer is at 42. We cleaned all the dust out of the back and there
> > > > doesn't seem to be any improvement. I am an electronics technician
> > > > however I don't know too much about refrigerators. All the food is
> > > > spoiling and I' hope that someone can please point me in the right
> > > > direction to troubleshoot this thing. We had a GE for 22 years and
> > > > against my better judgment had to get rid of it because my wife didn't
> > > > like the rust on the bottom. Now we're stuck with this non functioning
> > > > pos. Thanks for any assistance. Lenny
>
> > > Could be failure of defrost system, even if compressor is running. You can
> > > check by removing the cover in the back of the freezer section, if that is
> > > how you get to the freezer coill thingies, the aluminium bits.
>
> > > This causes the ice that is there to slow the flow of air from the fans to
> > > the fridge compartments. Next step is to find out why, if this is
> > > happening.
>
> > My Maytag uses an electronic "Adaptive Defrost Controller". This PC
> > board is located in the upper right of the refridgerator compartment
> > and ceased working a couple of years ago with the exact symptoms
> > described by the OP. I had a tech come in and replace it [$150] but
> > kept the old one to see what had happened. It turned out that the bulk
> > filter cap [22uF 50V electrolytic] had gone high ESR, so I replaced it
> > with a new high ripple cap and put the board away. A week or so ago I
> > heard a buzzing like a chattering relay from the 'fridge and went a
> > pressed on the panel in the freezer that covers the evaporator and
> > felt frost on the coil so I guessed that the replacement board cap was
> > failing. I went on line to find the instruction on how to access that
> > board in my model and took it out and to the bench. Indeed tha same
> > cap was high ESR, so I replaced it and then reinstalled the board into
> > the 'fridge. Total time from start to finish of the removal, repair
> > and re-installation was about 30 minutes. Problem seems to be
> > resolved. So, if you have the same board [it seems to be used across
> > many brands], you should not need to spend $43 for a new one, just
> > replace the 22u cap with a better quality one.
> > Neil S.
>
> Hi everyone
> Thank you to everyone who has responded and nice of you to once again
> get involved in another one of my problems Neil.
> I'm trying to figure out where this board, if my machine uses the
> adaptive defrost controller might be on my model..When you open the
> refrigerator door and look up sort of on the frame there is this
> rectangular panel with separate freezer and refrigerator soft push
> button controls The book recommends "4" for each section. Right now we
> have the fridge set at 6 and the freezer which my wife set up all the
> way is now set back to 4.The fridge runs between 40 and 45 and the
> freezer is running at 45 as well. So the fridge is almost OK but we
> lost the frozen stuff. My problem is that I don't really understand
> the theory behind the operation of this machine so its very hard for
> me to try to fix it. I think of thermostats as two wire devices not a
> board. And unlike my old GE that came with a service manual and lasted
> 22 years,(it was still working when I donated it to the Boy Scouts
> because my wife complained about the rust on the bottom) I have no
> service or even parts layout for this thing.
> Can anyone shed any light on the theory part and information perhaps
> on where these parts might be located. Thanks, Lenny- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Basically, a two section type refrigerator has the refrigeration
system consisting of a compressor, a condenser outside the box to
condense the high pressure Freon into a liquid state by radiating the
heat, a capilliary to control the flow of liquid to the evaporator and
an evaporator inside the box [usually the freezer section or betwixt
the freezer and 'fridge sections] that does the actual cooling, and
some fans. In my side by side the evaporator is behind a panel in the
back of the freezer. The evaporator is very cold when running so it
accumulates any moisture in the inside air as frost on the fins, and
since it is located in the freezer, that frost will never melt on it's
own. To get rid of the frost there is a heater [usually a flexible
cable], of typically about 500W, around the evaporator and this is
turned on about every 24 hours to melt the frost and the water runs
down into a tray outside under the unit where heat from the condenser
evaporates it into the room air.
If the frost is not removed regularly, airflow is blocked through the
evaporator and proper cooling of the 'fridge/freezer stops.

Have a look at this site and see if it has information on your unit.
The link is to the adaptive controller for my fridge along with a
video of how to access it. Look for similar info on yur model.
http://www.partselect.com/PartDetail.aspx?Inventory=2061226&SourceCode=12

Good luck!
Neil S.

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TOPIC: Found: Schematics (ftp).
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 11:39 am
From: flipper

On Sat, 09 Apr 2011 20:15:58 +0100, Baron <baron@linuxmaniac.net>
wrote:

>Ian Field Inscribed thus:
>
>>
>> "Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
>> news:4acvp6p9m64l24a5g8rgve1iv5dgunv99t@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 22:01:19 +0100, "Ian Field"
>>> <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>ftp://81.200.26.182/radio/RADIO/?????
>>>
>>> Chuckle:
>>> <ftp://81.200.26.182/index.htm>
>>> which Google translates to:
>>> My ftp-server is only adequate for all people!
>>>
>>> However, if you use HTTP instead of FTP, you get a
>>> partly finished and badly translated Joomla CMS page:
>>> <http://81.200.26.182>
>>>
>>> Thanks, maybe.
>>
>> Unfortunately it seems like Russia is the best place to find free
>> schematics, so it shouldn't come as a complete surprise that some of
>> the schematics are in Russian.
>>
>> I sampled some of the PDFs and found that some are in English, in some
>> cases it doesn't matter what language the text is in - a schematic is
>> a schematic and there are times when a Russian one is better than
>> nothing at all.
>
>Chrome will offer to translate it for you !

It didn't on my machine.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 12:10 pm
From: Baron

flipper Inscribed thus:

> On Sat, 09 Apr 2011 20:15:58 +0100, Baron <baron@linuxmaniac.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Ian Field Inscribed thus:
>>
>>>
>>> "Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4acvp6p9m64l24a5g8rgve1iv5dgunv99t@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 22:01:19 +0100, "Ian Field"
>>>> <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>ftp://81.200.26.182/radio/RADIO/?????
>>>>
>>>> Chuckle:
>>>> <ftp://81.200.26.182/index.htm>
>>>> which Google translates to:
>>>> My ftp-server is only adequate for all people!
>>>>
>>>> However, if you use HTTP instead of FTP, you get a
>>>> partly finished and badly translated Joomla CMS page:
>>>> <http://81.200.26.182>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, maybe.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately it seems like Russia is the best place to find free
>>> schematics, so it shouldn't come as a complete surprise that some of
>>> the schematics are in Russian.
>>>
>>> I sampled some of the PDFs and found that some are in English, in
>>> some cases it doesn't matter what language the text is in - a
>>> schematic is a schematic and there are times when a Russian one is
>>> better than nothing at all.
>>
>>Chrome will offer to translate it for you !
>
> It didn't on my machine.

Chrome translated everything in HTML to English for me, though I must
admit that it doesn't work with PDF's.

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 12:29 pm
From: flipper

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:10:49 +0100, Baron <baron@linuxmaniac.net>
wrote:

>flipper Inscribed thus:
>
>> On Sat, 09 Apr 2011 20:15:58 +0100, Baron <baron@linuxmaniac.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Ian Field Inscribed thus:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4acvp6p9m64l24a5g8rgve1iv5dgunv99t@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 22:01:19 +0100, "Ian Field"
>>>>> <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>ftp://81.200.26.182/radio/RADIO/?????
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuckle:
>>>>> <ftp://81.200.26.182/index.htm>
>>>>> which Google translates to:
>>>>> My ftp-server is only adequate for all people!
>>>>>
>>>>> However, if you use HTTP instead of FTP, you get a
>>>>> partly finished and badly translated Joomla CMS page:
>>>>> <http://81.200.26.182>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, maybe.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately it seems like Russia is the best place to find free
>>>> schematics, so it shouldn't come as a complete surprise that some of
>>>> the schematics are in Russian.
>>>>
>>>> I sampled some of the PDFs and found that some are in English, in
>>>> some cases it doesn't matter what language the text is in - a
>>>> schematic is a schematic and there are times when a Russian one is
>>>> better than nothing at all.
>>>
>>>Chrome will offer to translate it for you !
>>
>> It didn't on my machine.
>
>Chrome translated everything in HTML to English for me, though I must
>admit that it doesn't work with PDF's.

Oh, html. Yes. I thought you meant it was translating the FTP
directory entries for you.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 1:28 pm
From: Baron

flipper Inscribed thus:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:10:49 +0100, Baron <baron@linuxmaniac.net>
> wrote:

Snipped:

>>>>> I sampled some of the PDFs and found that some are in English, in
>>>>> some cases it doesn't matter what language the text is in - a
>>>>> schematic is a schematic and there are times when a Russian one is
>>>>> better than nothing at all.
>>>>
>>>>Chrome will offer to translate it for you !
>>>
>>> It didn't on my machine.
>>
>>Chrome translated everything in HTML to English for me, though I must
>>admit that it doesn't work with PDF's.
>
> Oh, html. Yes. I thought you meant it was translating the FTP
> directory entries for you.

Sorry after re-reading my original comment, I see it wasn't clear. :-(

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 1:29 pm
From: "Ian Field"

"John Robertson" <spam@flippers.com> wrote in message
news:QMWdnamO3dPMFALQnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Ian Field wrote:
>> ftp://81.200.26.182/radio/RADIO/?????
>
> Indonesian?
>
> Looks like someone left his computer a bit too open...

There was an ftp full of apps that I got about 4 days of downloading
sessions before they shut me out - fortunately I'd got almost everything I'd
added to the queue, so I only had to delete about half-dozen entries before
getting on to stuff from the next address on the list.

Recently discovered Napalm ftp search engine, much better than Filewatcher
or Globalfilesearch - HDD free space is vanishing fast.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 1:35 pm
From: "Ian Field"

"Baron" <baron@linuxmaniac.net> wrote in message
news:io50sq$sla$1@dont-email.me...
> flipper Inscribed thus:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:10:49 +0100, Baron <baron@linuxmaniac.net>
>> wrote:
>
> Snipped:
>
>>>>>> I sampled some of the PDFs and found that some are in English, in
>>>>>> some cases it doesn't matter what language the text is in - a
>>>>>> schematic is a schematic and there are times when a Russian one is
>>>>>> better than nothing at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>Chrome will offer to translate it for you !
>>>>
>>>> It didn't on my machine.
>>>
>>>Chrome translated everything in HTML to English for me, though I must
>>>admit that it doesn't work with PDF's.
>>
>> Oh, html. Yes. I thought you meant it was translating the FTP
>> directory entries for you.
>
> Sorry after re-reading my original comment, I see it wasn't clear. :-(

ftp://193.140.41.75/Drivers/Scanner_Drivers/GENIUS_I/OCR/DISK1/RC-HLP.EXE

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 1:48 pm
From: flipper

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:28:21 +0100, Baron <baron@linuxmaniac.net>
wrote:

>flipper Inscribed thus:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:10:49 +0100, Baron <baron@linuxmaniac.net>
>> wrote:
>
>Snipped:
>
>>>>>> I sampled some of the PDFs and found that some are in English, in
>>>>>> some cases it doesn't matter what language the text is in - a
>>>>>> schematic is a schematic and there are times when a Russian one is
>>>>>> better than nothing at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>Chrome will offer to translate it for you !
>>>>
>>>> It didn't on my machine.
>>>
>>>Chrome translated everything in HTML to English for me, though I must
>>>admit that it doesn't work with PDF's.
>>
>> Oh, html. Yes. I thought you meant it was translating the FTP
>> directory entries for you.
>
>Sorry after re-reading my original comment, I see it wasn't clear. :-(

No problem.

Btw, wander around that site and he's got all sorts of WWII stuff.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 12:15 pm
From: LSMFT

What do cell companies mean by that? Are they saying mobile to land
line is NOT free? Are they this crooked?

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 12:29 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:15:52 -0400, LSMFT wrote:

> What do cell companies mean by that? Are they saying mobile to land
> line is NOT free? Are they this crooked?

Cell Provider?

And what does this have to do with the repair of electronics?

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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 2:30 pm
From: LSMFT

Meat Plow wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:15:52 -0400, LSMFT wrote:
>
>> What do cell companies mean by that? Are they saying mobile to land
>> line is NOT free? Are they this crooked?
>
> Cell Provider?
>
> And what does this have to do with the repair of electronics?
>
>
>
Well it's better than that chicken writing in the previous message.

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