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TOPIC: ALBATROSS GETS SMACKED DOWN AGAIN ABOUT JOBS IN BREVARD!!!!!!!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/5a11b10e351f2d2d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 18 2011 10:28 pm
From: Alias
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:00:24 -0600, Lucky wrote
(<news:itjhn6$tkn$1@dont-email.me>):
> Meat Plow wrote:
>=20
>> Lots of people have jobs in Brevard. What's your excuse again?
>=20
> How come you are still hounding a street guy? When Alien has your CV=20
> down to the finest detail?
>=20
> Emmett is himself. He actually is who he is.
>=20
> If Emmett is unworthy of you, then how do you explain Emmett's basic=20
> honesty in standing and defending his real self, while you pretend to b=
e=20
> someone other than who you actually are?*
>=20
> *see Alien
Yeah, MeatPlow (aka William Malone Griffith, Junior from North Canton,
Ohio) has constructed an online persona that is diametrically opposed
to his reality.
He says he's got a girlfriend. But he's been caught looking for
long-lost relatives using the screen name 'BlancoBear'. And using that
same screen name to surf gay porn, specifically at BearPorn.com, which
you can ascertain for yerself by trying to sign up with that screen
name... it's already taken. By Willy. Little wonder, though. He can't
even buy a Happy Ending hand job from a woman who works at a massage
parlor that specializes in doing just that. Women reject him, even
when money is involved, even with minimal physical contact. So his
claim of having a girlfriend is laughable. He'll have to post proof to
convince anyone otherwise (and pictures of you and yer sisters
together don't count, Willy. I know what all of them look like.).
He claimed in 2003 that he owned an IT consulting company that pulled
in over $10,000,000.00 per year. The reality is that he runs a small
fixit shop where he repairs computers, kitchen appliances, and guitar
amps. It grosses around $40,000.00 per year, and after taxes and
expenses, he's taking home just a bit more than $25,000.00 per year.
He claimed in 2003 that he was a majority stockholder in his 'family
company', Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation, and made large sums of money
from this stock ownership. But the reality is that OKOC is on its last
legs. It's barred from soliciting investors in Tennessee, it's under
investigation in Ohio and Kentucky, it's already had a few lawsuits
against it, and there are 13 lawsuits still pending. All because the
principles of the company committed securities fraud. Please note that
in 2003, William Malone Griffith, Jr. claimed to be one of those
principles, he claimed to handle the finances for the company... so if
that's true, he had a very large hand in the financial fraud that took
place. The company no longer owns any oil assets or oil wells, it no
longer does any of its own drilling, it exists as a shell corporation
for the sole purpose of defrauding investors. Things are so bad at
OKOC that his sister Christine H. Griffith-Vick (Christine Vick), who
worked for OKOC for more than 20 years, jumped ship to become a
Realtor, at possibly the absolute worst time in history to become a
Realtor. So things are pretty bad at OKOC.
He claimed that he regularly made half-million dollar bank deposits.
But the reality is that he's never had more than $30,000 in liquid
assets at any given time in his life. And he'd kill for that amount
now, as a few hundred dollars is a large sum to him right now.
He claimed to be so rich that he owned his own home, but the reality
is that he rents his shitshack from David S. and Joan R. Shaner, the
owners of 308 10th Street NE, North Canton, OH 44720-2023. And he can
barely make the rent each month. Several months he's had to ask for an
extension from David and Joan.
He has admitted that he cannot afford a landline telephone. But he
somehow always manages to find the cash to splurge for the latest
cellular phone... first the Blackberry, then the Droid, and now the
iPhone. And yet he harangues Emmett Earl Gulley, II about him getting
a modest, basic phone. Hypocritical, since he's thrown money away on
several phones, rather than buying a decent phone and using it, while
avoiding the temptation to have the latest status-symbol douche-phone.
He can't really afford to throw money away on status symbols. He
should just accept the fact that he's a lowly loser in life and deal
with it.
He's got $8666.97 in unpaid credit card bills, for which FIA Card
Services and Bank Of America successfully sued him in 2009. But even
after 2 years, Willy's not been able to pay the money back. And the
interest and charges just keep piling up, as his credit score circles
the drain.
He has posted in sci.electronics.repair, asking for advice on fixing
his 8 year old GMC with 80,000 miles, with an Atlas engine that's worn
out (not sure why the idiot's posting to an electronics repair
newsgroup for advice on fixing an engine's bad rod bearings, but
MeatPlow's a fucking retard, so that explains a lot of it). These
engines are in the GMC TrailBlazer / Envoy / Rainier / Bravada / 9-7x,
and are being discontinued due to high construction costs of the
engine and some problems with them. He cannot afford a mechanic to fix
his losermobile, so he's got to do it himself. If he WERE the
successful businessman he claims to be, his time would be more
valuable than the few hundred dollars it would take to fix the
problem, and he'd take it to a mechanic to get it fixed.
But we all know he's not a successful business man. He's a bitter,
mentally-tormented loser who only attacks Emmett Earl Gulley Jr. on a
regular basis because Emmett scares him. He sees himself when he looks
at Emmett, or what could be himself if just a few things more go wrong
in his life.
So in a futile attempt to forestall the inevitable, he attacks Emmett,
thinking that he can drive the 'bad luck' demons from his life, and he
won't end up in the exact same situation as Emmett... broke, jobless,
homeless, with little hope of getting back on his feet before old age.
But he's too stupid to realize that in his doing so, he's actually
accelerating the inevitable. He's focusing his time and effort on
fighting with Emmett, rather than fixing the problems in his life. So
those problems grow.
And now, to compound his problems, he's got me to contend with. And if
he thinks I'm just posting to usenet, he's sadly mistaken. By the time
I'm done, every single adult in his area will know to avoid his
business. He'll see his income slowly dwindle to nothing. And he will
end up exactly like Emmett Earl Gulley, II of Melbourne, FL.
It takes very little of my actual time or money to do so, you see.
People in call centers in India work for peanuts, and my income allows
me the luxury of taking an abusive asshole like William Malone
Griffith, Jr. down to teach him a valuable life lesson. Namely, 'treat
others as you would want to be treated, and if you can't do that, be
completely anonymous in yer abuse'. I've stripped the second option
from him, and he appears to be too stupid to implement the first
option without first losing everything.
And when that day comes that he loses everything, when he finds
himself with nothing and nowhere to go, that day will be just the
beginning. He'll have at least another 10 years of online harassment,
defamation and libel to contend with, just as he's dealt to Emmett.
Every employer will know to not hire him, no one will frequent any
business he tries to start, he'll be excommunicated from society.
He'll find getting back on his feet to be a nearly insurmountable
task, just as Emmett does.
Except he's 16 years older than Emmett. 16 years behind Emmett should
he slip into that situation. 16 years lost, that he won't have to
attempt a comeback.
And we can all sit back and laugh at his expense. Just as he now
laughs at Emmett.
It will be the epitome of poetic justice, of karma come full-circle to
kick William Malone Griffith, Jr. square in the ass.
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WHO IS MEATPLOW from Alt.Usenet.Kooks (AUK)?
The obese, abusive, ugly, snaggle-toothed, gay 'bear' biker retard
who likes to surf gay porn sites as 'BlancoBear' while wearing only
assless chaps:
William Malone Griffith, Jr. (aka Milt, aka MeatPlow, aka BlancoBear)
308 10th Street NE
North Canton, OH 44720-2023
Evidence:
--------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/5650f8e1e7dedefa
Message-ID: <fc5167ee7ad8e6f64bbe528026c00d98@rip.ax.lt>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/e52ffbb346f5b76=
4
Message-ID: <ac995ab01f76a177f4012486eb671c0e@rip.ax.lt>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/a94a2a11df601e39
Message-ID: <f6ccd46e74bff6e99d49781388db38c7@rip.ax.lt>
--------------------
MeatPlow personal info:
--------------------
Birthdate: Oct 3, 1955
Amateur Radio callsign N8NCX
Technician Plus
(2 meter, 6 meter)
--------------------
Photo of MeatPlow in Belden Village Music store:
--------------------
(Note the guitars in the background, the planet-sized head,
the rotten-Chiclet-teeth, and general look of retardation)
http://www.productwiki.com/william-malone-griffith-ii/lists/
http://images.productwiki.com/upload/images/william_malone_griffith_ii_av=
atar_1_0-150-150.jpg
He's got his father's nose and eyes:
http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/kentucky/guestbook.aspx?pid=3D2527782
http://mi-cache.legacy.com/usercontent/guestbook/photos/2005-09/6966764.j=
pg
--------------------
MeatPlow email addresses:
--------------------
wgriffit at neo.rr.com (neo =3D North East Ohio)
mhywattt at yahoo.com
mhywatt at yahoo.com
--------------------
MeatPlow admits to being from Ohio:
--------------------
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.17.23.07.01@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.17.23.09.38@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
--------------------
MeatPlow's brushes with the law:
--------------------
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/crim/crim_display_docket_main?pass_case_no=
=3D11543&pass_case_type=3DVBD&pass_case_year=3D2002&pass_first_name=3DWil=
liam&pass_last_name=3DGriffith
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/civil/civil_display_docket_main?case_year_=
no=3D2009-3533&litigant_txt=3DGriffith
--------------------
MeatPlow quotes:
--------------------
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.18.22.21.28@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I have no shame here in Usenet."
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.20.01.22.52@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I'd bet $200.00 of that Keiser money you still have that you will
leave before me."
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.25.00.08.32@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"You know i have a legal team who specializes in internet law. And I
won't hesitate to get them in on the action."
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.25.00.16.43@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I haven't changed nor do I plan on it any time in the near future.
And yes I am bullet-proof as I have proved it."
MeatPlow visits a massage parlor for a Happy Ending massage.
But they refused to give him a Happy Ending his second time there.
That explains why he's gay, he can't even PAY for HAND JOBS from
women.
http://www.clreviews.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3D11679
"One time I got a HE, and the 2nd time I didn't. I was asked if I was
there both times and said I was. That's is why I didn't know if I said
something wrong the 2nd time which made me not get a HE."
Well, at least we know what he does with his weekends.
--------------------
Oh, William, what would yer family say if they learned yer secrets?
Mother:
.-----------------------------.
| Catherine & Angelo Griffith |
| |
| 4760 Echovalley St. NW |
| North Canton, OH 44720-7504 |
| 330-494-5785 |
'-----------------------------'
Sister:
.------------------------------.
| Pamela L. & Roger R. Werling |
| { son Todd E. Werling } |
| { son Chris (Kennesaw, GA) } |
| { son Keith } |
| { son Easton } |
| { son Zakary } |
| { daughter Camella } |
| |
| 7704 Bisque Court |
| Fort Wayne, IN 46825-3501 |
| 260-489-6086 |
'------------------------------'
Sister:
.-----------------------------------------------.
| Cheryl J. & Jason 'Sparky' Humberto E. Rivera |
| { daughter Christina } |
| { daughter Rosalio (North Canton, OH) } |
| { daughter Maria (North Canton, OH) } |
| { son Len Gray (Ft. Worth, TX) } |
| |
| 5225 Echo Valley St. NW |
| North Canton, OH 44720-9702 |
|-----------------------------------------------|
| Belden Village Music |
| 6787 Wales Ave NW |
| North Canton, OH 44720 |
| beldenvillagemusic.com |
| 330-497-9292 |
|-----------------------------------------------|
| Rosalio B & Maria I Rivera |
| 444 Wales Rd. NE |
| Massillon, OH 44646-5875 |
| 330-833-4291 |
|-----------------------------------------------|
| PO Box 35093 |
| Canton, OH 44735 |
'-----------------------------------------------'
Sister:
.----------------------------------------.
| Carol L. & Ric A. Campbell |
| { son Richard } |
| { son Christopher (North Canton, OH) } |
| { son Brandon (=E2=80=A0 30 May 1996) } |
| { daughter Erin } |
| |
| 6794 William Tell Ave NW |
| North Canton, OH 44720-6546 |
| 330-497-7980 |
| 330-499-5107 |
|----------------------------------------|
| PO Box 36473 |
| Canton, OH 44735 |
'----------------------------------------'
Sister:
.-----------------------------------.
| Christine H. & Shelton M. Vick |
| { son Matthew } |
| |
| 3915 Harvard Ave NW |
| Canton, OH 44709-1538 |
| 330-493-5645 |
|-----------------------------------|
| Re/Max Edge Realty |
| North Canton / Massillon / Canton |
| Realtor Christine H. Vick |
| |
| 6929 Portage St. NW |
| North Canton, OH 44720-6535 |
| 330-236-5100 |
| 888-830-6509 (fax) |
| 330-904-0883 (cell) |
| www.MyOhioHomeFinder.com |
| MyOhioHomeFinder@gmail.com |
'-----------------------------------'
Sister:
.-----------------------------.
| Angela C. & Mark Warshefski |
| |
| 11 SE 12th St. |
| Pompano Beach, FL 33060 |
| 954-785-4716 |
|-----------------------------|
| 4760 Echovalley St. NW |
| North Canton, OH 44720-7504 |
| 330-942-0584 |
'-----------------------------'
Cousin:
.---------------------.
| Eddy Dailey |
| |
| Bergholz Super Mart |
| 861 Washington St. |
| Bergholz, OH 43908 |
| 740-768-1018 |
'---------------------'
Cousin:
.---------------------.
| Donna L. Dailey |
| |
| 524 5th St |
| Bergholz, OH 43908 |
| 740-768-2416 |
|---------------------|
| Bergholz Super Mart |
| 861 Washington St. |
| Bergholz, OH 43908 |
| 740-768-1018 |
|---------------------|
| Bergholz, OH EMT |
'---------------------'
Cousin:
.--------------------.
| Bill & Joyce Leas |
| { son Billy } |
| |
| 243 2nd St |
| Bergholz, OH 43908 |
'--------------------'
Niece:
.----------------------------.
| Rachel & Adam T. Livengood |
| { son Lukas } |
| { daughter Lauren } |
| |
| 6342 Palmer Dr. NW |
| Canton, OH 44718 |
| 330-497-7754 |
'----------------------------'
Izzatchoo, or yer dead daddy?
.---------------------------------.
| William M. Griffith |
| |
| between 3rd and 4th St |
| between Monroe and Lincoln Ave. |
| Bergholz, OH 43908 |
| 740-768-2539 |
'---------------------------------'
What would yer landlord for 308 10th St. NE,
North Canton, OH say if they learned yer secrets?
.-----------------------------.
| David S. and Joan R. Shaner |
| |
| 2095 Waterbury Dr. |
| Uniontown OH 44312 |
| 330-699-4042 |
'-----------------------------'
What would the employees at yer family's
business say if they learned yer secrets?
.--------------------------------.
| Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation |
| aka Ohio Oil & Gas Exploration |
| |
| 5112 Portage St. NW |
| Canton, OH 44720-6856 |
| (330) 494-8810 |
| (330) 497-7980 |
|--------------------------------|
| 110 E. Lowry Lane |
| Lexington, KY 40503 |
| (800) BUY 4 OIL |
| (800) 289-4645 |
| (859) 223-5656 |
| (859) 223-5946 |
| (859) 276-0699 (fax) |
| (859) 276-3500 |
| (859) 276-4080 |
|--------------------------------|
| http://www.ohiokentuckyoil.com |
| oilstrike@insightbb.com |
| admin@ohiokentuckyoil.net |
'--------------------------------'
William Malone Griffith, II's grovelfest of an apology for being a
fucktard stauker:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/browse_thread/thread/8d75=
3c94bd612f4e
http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/3859383/meat_plow_exposed
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/c9fccf0d1ab26ace
Message-ID: <3n4c2e.bi4.17.1@news.alt.net>
Title: Apology to Charles Novins
The witnesses to this abject, groveling apology:
Angela Griffith =3D Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski, William Malone
Griffith, Jr.'s sister
Catherine Griffith =3D William Malone Griffith, Jr.'s mother
Julia M. Griffith =3D ?
Cheri Griffith =3D Cheryl J. Griffith-Rivera, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister
Justin Griffith =3D ?
Kristy Griffith =3D Christine H. Griffith-Vick, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister
-----
Questions yet to be answered:
Who are Julia M. Griffith and Justin Griffith?
Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski came all the way from Pompano Beach,
Florida to witness and sign MeatPlow's apology letter?
Or did William Malone Griffith, Jr. forge the witness signatures,
which would indicate some level of insincerity in the apology?
If William Malone Griffith, Jr. did indeed forge the witness
signatures, is his family cognizant of him using them in this way?
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
The exit is -.
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thataway
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TOPIC: OT -- switching heating elements
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/2359de19aee3537a?hl=en
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== 1 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 3:26 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"
"Jeffrey Angus" <jangus@suddenlink.net> wrote in message
news:itjqdb$9f2$1@dont-email.me...
> On 6/18/2011 10:20 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>>> I should have explained that I went to remove the element without
>>>> opening the breaker -- on the assumption that no engineer in his
>>>> right mind would leave one side of the heating element powered.
> As to why it only opens one side of the circuit, that's simple,
> it only requires one switch to open a series circuit. It takes
> two to remove power. Hence the coupled dual-pole breakers
> on the source (breaker) panel.
Jeffrey, that's a tautological answer. I'm looking for an engineering and/or
safety justification for not providing a dual-pole switch within the oven.
(The economic "justification" is obvious.)
== 2 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 3:40 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:9659ggFle2U1@mid.individual.net...
> On 19/06/2011 1:20 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>> We still need an answer to the original question... Why?
> I think it's perfectly normal for appliances to switch only one pole
> of the power supply, that pole being the live one. Same with power
> points and light switches. I don't think I've seen an appliance with
> a double power power switch.
I have have. I've owned two of the classic GE/B&D toaster ovens, and they
switched both sides of the line when you opened the door. This is a good
safety precaution. My current B&D toaster oven does not remove the power
when the door is opened.
With respect to this particular oven, something "live" was NOT being
switched. How do you explain the spark, otherwise? The 208V or 240V are
(presumably) taken from across two phases (or whatever you want to call
them -- we needn't rehash that argument), one of which is not switched. The
oven's "metalwork" is grounded/"neutraled" so that a short from the
heating-element circuit to the metal will trip the breaker -- which it did.
> What's not normal, and dangerous, is for the neutral wire to be the
> one switched. Either the oven is miswired internally, is miswired to
> the mains supply, or the mains supply is miswired. Whichever it is
> needs to be fixed.
If I understand multi-phase wiring, the 240V is taken from across two
phases. Connecting or disconnecting the neutral would have no effect on that
voltage.
In single-phase systems, it would, of course, be foolish to switch just the
neutral. This would leave the hot "hot", and open the possibility of
electrocution from hot to ground, such as a plumbing fixture.
Yet again, an example of how a simple question becomes a tsimmes.
== 3 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 5:20 am
From: Rich Webb
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 03:40:55 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
>If I understand multi-phase wiring, the 240V is taken from across two
>phases. Connecting or disconnecting the neutral would have no effect on that
>voltage.
>
>In single-phase systems, it would, of course, be foolish to switch just the
>neutral. This would leave the hot "hot", and open the possibility of
>electrocution from hot to ground, such as a plumbing fixture.
>
>
>Yet again, an example of how a simple question becomes a tsimmes.
Residential wiring is, AIUI, typically "anti-phase" rather than multiple
(usually three) phase. One phase of the 3-phase distribution from the
substation is dropped with a center-tapped service transformer. The
center is earthed (at one point) and that becomes the neutral for the
120 volt services. 240 volt service doesn't have a neutral; both sides
are "hot" with respect to earth ground, so in the situation described
you'd expect to see 120 V to ground on the heater element.
Presumably, what you're seeing meets UL requirements. Perhaps (just
speculating here) the intent is that the oven should have an on-off
switch that does isolate both sources, and a thermostatic switch that
cycles on only one?
Also: tsimmes; I learned a new word! ;-)
--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
== 4 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 5:52 am
From: "Wild_Bill"
Did AP sell you the part?
Have you RTFM?
Would you prefer that the part not be available?
Will you be working on other appliances without removing the power?
Is what normal?
--
Cheers,
WB
.............
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:itjhi0$sjn$1@dont-email.me...
>I just had to replace the bottom element in my GE oven, and discovered --
>to
> my great surprise -- that one side of the element is always "hot" -- that
> is, it has voltage on it. I will be calling Appliance Park next week and
> verbally tearing someone a new oven cavity.
>
> Is this normal? And if it is, is it for some reason other than saving
> money?
>
> --
> "We already know the answers -- we just haven't asked the right
> questions." -- Edwin Land
>
>
== 5 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 7:52 am
From: nesesu
On Jun 18, 8:42 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
> On 19/06/2011 1:20 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>
> >>> I should have explained that I went to remove the element without
> >>> opening the breaker -- on the assumption that no engineer in his
> >>> right mind would leave one side of the heating element powered.
>
> >> Are you stupid? NOTHING gets worked on while connected to power.
>
> > "Foolish" might be more apt than "stupid". And people commonly work on
> > powered TVs and other electronic equipment -- with proper precautions, of
> > course.
>
> > We still need an answer to the original question... Why?
>
> I think it's perfectly normal for appliances to switch only one pole of
> the power supply, that pole being the live one. Same with power points
> and light switches. I don't think I've seen an appliance with a double
> power power switch.
>
> What's not normal, and dangerous, is for the neutral wire to be the one
> switched. Either the oven is miswired internally, is miswired to the
> mains supply, or the mains supply is miswired. Whichever it is needs to
> be fixed.
>
> Sylvia.
We are talking at cross purposes here. In the UK and Australia, the
240V has one side neutral and the other 'hot' while in North America
the 240V is both sides hot and centre neutral. In my stove the oven
thermostat is the typical single pole switch in one side of the
element circuit, but both sides pass through the 'oven function'
selector switch that offers 'OFF', 'Bake', 'Broil' and 'Clean'. When
that switch is OFF then the element is dsconnected from both hot
feeds.
In Canada, a heating thermostat for controlling 240V space heaters
[permanently connected] may be a single pole type, but if it has an
'OFF' position marked, it MUST open both circuits.
Neil S.
== 6 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 8:10 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"
From: "Rich Webb" <bbew.ar@mapson.nozirev.ten>
> Residential wiring is, AIUI, typically "anti-phase" rather than multiple
> (usually three) phase. One phase of the 3-phase distribution from the
> substation is dropped with a center-tapped service transformer. The
> center is earthed (at one point) and that becomes the neutral for the
> 120 volt services. 240 volt service doesn't have a neutral; both sides
> are "hot" with respect to earth ground, so in the situation described
> you'd expect to see 120 V to ground on the heater element.
That was my general assumption.
> Presumably, what you're seeing meets UL requirements. Perhaps
> (just speculating here) the intent is that the oven should have an on-off
> switch that does isolate both sources, and a thermostatic switch that
> cycles on only one?
I'm not sure whether UL requirements have any direct connection with
/consumer/ safety. * The UL evaluation is more "generic" -- is this device
likely to catch on fire, or start a fire? Is it inherently unsafe to use?
etc, etc, etc
The user manual says the owner should not perform any service on the oven --
but if s/he does, the power should be first disconnected at the breaker.
The Calrod(tm) heating elements are nichrome wires sealed in a metal tube
full of magnesium oxide. The probability of the wire shorting to the metal
tube is extremely small. But if the user lifted the hinged bottom element to
clean under it (which is not "service" in the manual's sense -- you are not
told to shut off the power), s/he would be grabbing a live element, with
possibly fatal results.
> Also: tsimmes; I learned a new word! ;-)
For those unfamiliar with it, it means "stew", in both the literal and
figurative senses.
* To clarify... On a segment of "I've Got a Secret" that involved a giant
boa constrictor, Steve Allen said "Would you believe it? This snake is
perfectly safe. <beat> You're in terrible danger, but the snake is safe!"
== 7 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 8:11 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"
"nesesu" <neil_sutcliffe@telus.net> wrote in message
news:4f1a18f6-e12a-42b6-a55f-87f3c19ef5b2@q14g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> We are talking at cross purposes here. In the UK and Australia, the
> 240V has one side neutral and the other 'hot' while in North America
> the 240V is both sides hot and centre neutral. In my stove the oven
> thermostat is the typical single pole switch in one side of the
> element circuit, but both sides pass through the 'oven function'
> selector switch that offers 'OFF', 'Bake', 'Broil' and 'Clean'. When
> that switch is OFF then the element is dsconnected from both hot
> feeds.
I hadn't thought of the selector switch. Good point.
Needless to day, the oven switch was in the Off position.
== 8 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 8:53 am
From: "Arfa Daily"
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:itkitt$h2$1@dont-email.me...
> "Jeffrey Angus" <jangus@suddenlink.net> wrote in message
> news:itjqdb$9f2$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 6/18/2011 10:20 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>
>>>>> I should have explained that I went to remove the element without
>>>>> opening the breaker -- on the assumption that no engineer in his
>>>>> right mind would leave one side of the heating element powered.
>
>> As to why it only opens one side of the circuit, that's simple,
>> it only requires one switch to open a series circuit. It takes
>> two to remove power. Hence the coupled dual-pole breakers
>> on the source (breaker) panel.
>
> Jeffrey, that's a tautological answer. I'm looking for an engineering
> and/or
> safety justification for not providing a dual-pole switch within the oven.
> (The economic "justification" is obvious.)
>
>
So what other justification do you think you are looking for ? It works.
It's perfectly safe until some fool works on it 'live' in the expectation
that he's going to be safe, and it saves money on the build cost of the
appliance. When the equipment is used 'closed up' in its normal operational
configuration, the manufacturer has no legitimate safety concerns beyond
that. Also, given the way American society sues at the drop of a hat, I'm
pretty sure that the manufacture will have his arse covered in that doing it
this way meets any and all safety regulations that might apply.
Sorry, but I can only echo Mr Angus's sentiments that working on such
equipment without fully isolating it first, is highly irresponsible,
especially for someone of your usually pedantic persuasion, who I'm sure
would normally be shouting "never assume anything !!" at anyone else who
posted a similar story here ...
Arfa
== 9 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 9:42 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"
"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:zXoLp.2426$Zv3.76@newsfe26.ams2...
>> (The economic "justification" is obvious.)
> So what other justification do you think you are looking for?
I guess I'm looking for a groveling "Gee-ee, we're stupid" apology from GE.
> It works. It's perfectly safe until some fool works on it 'live' in the
expectation
> that he's going to be safe, and it saves money on the build cost of the
> appliance.
As another poster pointed out, there are ovens with both sides switched at
the "bake" selector.
> Sorry, but I can only echo Mr Angus's sentiments that working on such
> equipment without fully isolating it first, is highly irresponsible,
> especially for someone of your usually pedantic persuasion, who I'm sure
> would normally be shouting "never assume anything !!" at anyone else who
> posted a similar story here ...
Criticism accepted... But in this case I might very well have taken "anyone
else's" side.
== 10 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 10:20 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"
Let's let this drop.
I got an extremely useful response -- one I didn't expect -- about some
ovens "properly" disconnecting the AC at the oven-mode selector. This gives
me something useful to discuss with GE.
Thank you all for your interest and help.
== 11 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 10:55 am
From: klem kedidelhopper
On Jun 19, 12:42 pm, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgee...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Arfa Daily" <arfa.da...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>
> news:zXoLp.2426$Zv3.76@newsfe26.ams2...
>
> >> (The economic "justification" is obvious.)
> > So what other justification do you think you are looking for?
>
> I guess I'm looking for a groveling "Gee-ee, we're stupid" apology from GE.
>
>
>
> > It works. It's perfectly safe until some fool works on it 'live' in the
> expectation
> > that he's going to be safe, and it saves money on the build cost of the
> > appliance.
>
> As another poster pointed out, there are ovens with both sides switched at
> the "bake" selector.
>
> > Sorry, but I can only echo Mr Angus's sentiments that working on such
> > equipment without fully isolating it first, is highly irresponsible,
> > especially for someone of your usually pedantic persuasion, who I'm sure
> > would normally be shouting "never assume anything !!" at anyone else who
> > posted a similar story here ...
>
> Criticism accepted... But in this case I might very well have taken "anyone
> else's" side.
Interestingly I also own a GE stove and coincidentally my bake element
developed a hot spot one day and "exploded" open and also needed to be
replaced. I never even thought of the possibility that only one side
of the 240 was being switched off from the control unit when I
replaced it, Like you William I just would have expected such a design
to be both impractical as well as unsafe. However I did unplug the
stove first, but just purely from habit, ( and because I really don't
like working on live circuits, unless there is no other alternative).
So in all honesty I made the same assumption that you did with the
exception that my stove was unplugged.
The model number of my stove is JBP64 and it is almost ten years old.
GE was nice enough to provide a service page with their appliances,
(at least they were still doing it at the time we purchased this
model), and it included a schematic. I just looked at it and
incredible as it may seem, sure enough L2 is directly connected to one
side of both the bake and broil elements!
I've never forgotten the words of one of my teachers many years ago
when I was in electronics school. He never seemed to tire of reminding
us to "never assume that the power is off". And I try very hard not
to. Good advice when you run into something unexpected like this. Lenny
== 12 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 12:29 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"
"klem kedidelhopper" <captainvideo462009@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:57d4ccef-84f8-42ef-a4be-10becef02288@n28g2000vbs.googlegroups.com...
> Interestingly I also own a GE stove and coincidentally my bake element
> developed a hot spot one day and "exploded" open.
Quite by chance, I saw it burning. I thought it was a bit of food. Near the
"socket"?
> The model number of my stove is JBP64 and it is almost ten years old.
Mine's from a (probably) related series, JBP26, and a year or two older.
> GE was nice enough to provide a service page with their appliances,
> (at least they were still doing it at the time we purchased this
> model), and it included a schematic. I just looked at it and
> incredible as it may seem, sure enough L2 is directly connected to one
> side of both the bake and broil elements!
> Thanks for the confirmation. I'm still going to call GE. You will be
quoted.
== 13 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 12:30 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"
> I've never forgotten the words of one of my teachers many years ago
> when I was in electronics school. He never seemed to tire of reminding
> us to "never assume that the power is off". And I try very hard not
> to. Good advice when you run into something unexpected like this.
Also applies to guns... Always assume the weapon is loaded.
== 14 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 1:39 pm
From: PlainBill@yawhoo.com
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:57:14 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
>I just had to replace the bottom element in my GE oven, and discovered -- to
>my great surprise -- that one side of the element is always "hot" -- that
>is, it has voltage on it. I will be calling Appliance Park next week and
>verbally tearing someone a new oven cavity.
>
>Is this normal? And if it is, is it for some reason other than saving money?
That is common. The resistance element is encapsulated in a
protective sheath. You cannot remove the heating element without
removing the back of the appliance. I would wager the appliance was
shipped with a warning label indicating it should be removed only by
qualified servicers.
Also, recall if either a mechanical or solid state double pole relay
were used, one side could fail (contacts welded or SCR shorted) and
you would never know the difference.
There are titles for those who work on appliances without first
ensuring it is disconnected. "The Dear Departed" is one. "Candidate
for a Darwin Award" is another. I prefer 'Fool".
PlainBill
== 15 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 1:54 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"
<PlainBill@yawhoo.com> wrote in message
news:6tmsv6t6b0f46pn2ufmhj3mnokpskrb765@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:57:14 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
> <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
>> I just had to replace the bottom element in my GE oven, and discovered --
to
>> my great surprise -- that one side of the element is always "hot" -- that
>> is, it has voltage on it. I will be calling Appliance Park next week and
>> verbally tearing someone a new oven cavity.
>> Is this normal? And if it is, is it for some reason other than saving
money?
> That is common. The resistance element is encapsulated in a
> protective sheath. You cannot remove the heating element without
> removing the back of the appliance. I would wager the appliance was
> shipped with a warning label indicating it should be removed only by
> qualified servicers.
You don't have to take off the back of the oven. You can remove the element
in situ. Just undo two 1/4" hex-head screws, pull out the base of the
element a bit, and pull off the friction-fit connectors.
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TOPIC: Guitar Pickups Coil Ringing Test Electric Testing PUP
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/3f84b39bfef04db0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 5:45 am
From: "Wild_Bill"
I know there are at least a few participants here who have guitars, so I was
wondering if anyone here has attemped a Ringer Test (inductor Q) on guitar
pickups.
I haven't tried the pickup in a guitar, so I don't know if it plays OK, or
not. I disassembled it to install a 4-conductor shielded cable (with coils
split) instead of the single coax lead (coils wired in series).
The combined DC resistance of the 2 coils is about 13k ohms.
I have a used Epiphone humbucker here which I removed the cable from, and
figgered I try ringing the coils (separately) with a Sencore Z-Meter LC77.
I remembered that the Z-Meter manuals specifically state that these testers
work with inductors with powdered iron/ferrite-type cores (not steel such as
power transformers), so I removed the steel screws, but the coils still only
have 4 rings.
So the bobbins are removed from the frame plate and magnet, and have no
screws in them.. which should just be a plastic bobbin with hundreds of
turns of very fine wire on them (one turn would be ~5").
The wire size is probably about 40 gage, not sure about that, but very fine
wire anyway.
This pickup isn't important (not rare/valuable), since I bought a couple
just for studying and experimentation.
Any enlightening thoughts would be appreciated. <-- that's not a weather
condition or a skin treatment.
--
Cheers,
WB
.............
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TOPIC: Blocking 425-336-8351 Robot Caller Parasite
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 6:01 am
From: "Wild_Bill"
I was gonna mench, there was a device marketed in the 80s, I think, that
wouldn't even ring your phone until the caller entered a 3-digit number.. it
might'a been the AES company.
No outgoing message, that I recall, it required all callers to know the
owner, and call from a touchtone phone, IIRC.
Maybe it was before the 80s.. quite a while before caller ID was available.
--
Cheers,
WB
.............
"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
news:h40qv61un9p4749uso1q3rn89du4o3gil6@4ax.com...
>
> Such a device exists. However, it says something like "punch 1 for
> voice, 2 for fax, 3 for modem, and 4 for answering machine". I have a
> really ancient one from AES that does this, but it's pre-programmed,
> and the messages cannot be modified.
>
> Also, "Telebouncer".
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/250702052073>
> and others:
> <http://www.jfteck.com>
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/130533727162>
>
> About 10 years ago, I threw together a home IVR system that almost
> worked. It would grab and store the caller ID, but not ring the phone
> no matter how many times the caller would ring. However, if the same
> caller ID called back within about 3 minutes, the phone would ring
> normally. I would tell my friends and accomplises to call twice. The
> problem was that many callers didn't have caller ID active. I also
> missed some important calls.
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
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TOPIC: VANDHUTANGAYA, VANDHUTANGAYA
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/ba491d6d1f62aa33?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 6:03 am
From: hemaaruchamy hemalatha
http://123maza.com/65/Claws470/
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TOPIC: misted C electrolyte
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/c9c9924698735c42?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 6:05 am
From: "Wild_Bill"
At -32F that will be some really cold ice.
--
Cheers,
WB
.............
"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:960s03Fu1kU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>>
>> Indeed. But that's not what Mike said.
>
>
> ** Fair enough.
>
> Guess us engineering types are not used to seeing obsolete Fahrenheit
> temps used in electronics.
>
> Boiling water = 212 F
>
> Freezing water = -32F
>
> and paper burns at Fahrenheit 451 ....
>
>
>
> .... Phil
>
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TOPIC: flyback
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/273b5787d226bb6e?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 18 2011 1:36 pm
From: "Vince Schmitt"
Hi!
I need to know the draw # for a flyback transformer for an RCA Chassis
CTC203AAA9.
Thank yoy
Vince
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 12:46 pm
From: "hrhofmann@att.net"
On Jun 18, 3:36 pm, "Vince Schmitt" <vschmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!
> I need to know the draw # for a flyback transformer for an RCA Chassis
> CTC203AAA9.
> Thank yoy
> Vince
What do you mean "the draw"
Do you mean a schematic showing the windings and terminal numbers, or
the current levels going through the transformer when the TV is
operating????
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 4:16 pm
From: John-Del
On Jun 18, 4:36 pm, "Vince Schmitt" <vschmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!
> I need to know the draw # for a flyback transformer for an RCA Chassis
> CTC203AAA9.
> Thank yoy
> Vince
Database shows part number 244229 for your chassis version, but TCE
TVs have had issues with the numbers on the original fly needing to be
researched. Do you have the original and are the numbers legible?
John
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TOPIC: Request transistor cross reference
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/6d311b79499b89d6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 10:28 am
From: jjb_at_northstate_dot_net@foo.com (kaplanB)
kaplanB had written this in response to
http://www.electrondepot.com/repair/Re-Request-transistor-cross-reference-127437-.htm
:
Dave M wrote:
-------------------------------------
I appreciate the thoroughness of your questions.
Of the three transistors, two test bad and one as a PNP (out of the
circuit). They are all the same.
I've tested the same transistors on the other working elements and they
test as PNP (in circuit).
The data you quote is a redaction from the actual data sheet which I have
a copy of. However, nowhere
on the Shindenge Electric T30G40 data sheet does it say this is a NPN or a
PNP.
I have not found a suitable PNP substitute yet.
Thank you.
Kap
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TOPIC: SAMSUNG Power problem LN40A530
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 1:25 pm
From: PlainBill@yawhoo.com
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:50:26 -0700 (PDT), benitos <pothier@cae.ca>
wrote:
>On 17 juin, 15:37, PlainB...@yawhoo.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:16:53 -0700 (PDT), benitos <poth...@cae.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi having a SAMSUNG LN40A530P1 television that takes very long time to
>> >get an image /sound.
>>
>> >After checking the capacitors on the power supply board , there is no
>> >"pop-up" on the top and they all mesured good (value & ESR).
>>
>> >I check on the web and many people are talking about the 1000uF/10V
>> >that are border line , should be rate at 16V instead of 10V but
>> >again , they seem to be good.
>>
>> >Any idea ?
>>
>> It may not be a problem with the power supply itself. Most TVs have a
>> mixture of LDO analog and bucking (PWM) regulators on the main board.
>> This might be a bad LDO regulator, but it's far more likely that it's
>> a bad cap on the output of a bucking regulator.
>>
>> PlainBill
>
>Are you talking about the board with all the input RCA jacks , doesn`t
>seem to have any caps on this board.
>
>Or is it the board with all the connections for the LAMP .
>
>On this unit , there are the power supply , input and inverter board.
>
>Thanks
Believe me, there are caps on the main board, and voltage regulators.
You may not recognize them, but they are there.
PlainBill
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