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Today's topics:

* Test Li Ion Batteries? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/7f8288ba4f888f5c?hl=en
* PAT testing damage (UK) - 10 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/eec67008cac87457?hl=en
* 2nd broken ceramic top on Kitchenaid Superba KESC307 range - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/5a46a0f5b7139874?hl=en
* Kenmore 110.24722300 broken tub - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/fcdb82af4fdb52eb?hl=en
* Is there a fuse on a Samsung SV4000? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/d375f8c622c671d0?hl=en
* Sony XR C5300R car radio - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/07d1220935688803?hl=en

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TOPIC: Test Li Ion Batteries?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/7f8288ba4f888f5c?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 28 2011 9:52 am
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 07:46:21 -0700 (PDT), KenO <kenitholson@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>"If you just want to test the battery itself, I use: <http://
>www.westmountainradio.com/content.php?page=CBA> which produces nifty
>graphs instead of a single number."
>
>Since you have a number of these old Toshiba Li Ion packs, have you
>run CBA tests on any or all the working ones?
>http://www.westmountainradio.com/product_info.php?products_id=cba_software

Nope. I'm mostly interested in unpackaged Li-Ion and LIPO unpackaged
batteries for model airplane and robotic use. Also, I've tested some
cell phone batteries and tested for some oddities, such as NiMH
batteries that actually increase in capacity on initial charge. It
takes a long time to test a battery properly, so I don't do it often.
The bigger the battery, the longer it takes to discharge.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 28 2011 1:05 pm
From: mike

KenO wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Thanks for your comments. Hopefully my previous posts have answered
> why I want to test Li Ion battery packs.
>
> "I've taken packs that wouldn't run a laptop for 10 minutes and tested
> them at lower current. I got almost ALL of the original watt-hours
> out. I've switched to testing individual cells for internal
> resistance." Hope you have some experience with the Toshiba Li Ion
> battery packs!
>
> Have done some searches but have not found any info on the pack
> connectors.
>
> Ken
I have a similar need for older toshiba packs.
Problem with lithiums is that they degrade whether
you use 'em or not. Most battery packs you can find today
were manufactured about the same time as the laptop.
It's unlikely that you'll find anything newer than
10 years old for a 15 year old laptop.
I think the only viable alternative is to have the
pack rebuilt with new cells.
There are people who do that, but it ain't cheap.

It is possible to rebuild them yourself.
I bought used spot welder for the purpose.
New cells with tabs cost more than a new pack.
I tried to use cells from a different good pack.
It's a crap shoot depending on the controller design.
Some lose their brains when you remove power and it's all over.
Others remember the previous capacity, so the new battery won't
last much longer than the old one.
I've only found one battery pack with a pic processor in it.
I managed to reset the pic and recovered it.

In my experience, you can buy a newer laptop with a usable battery
at a garage sale cheaper than you can buy a used/bad battery for
an older laptop. Even if you do have to buy a battery, it'll be
a newer vintage.

AS for the pack connectors, there's almost nothing that can be done
from the outside...by design...they don't want people blowing themselves up
and suing them.
There's data/clock pins that access half of the chip to readout status.
There's a different isolated bus inside the pack that can be used to program
the parameters into the chip. You have to take it apart, and build an
interface.
But you still have no idea the data format of what numbers to put in.
There's a vendor who will send you the code for a hefty fee per battery.

To get batteries apart, you clamp them in a vise along the seam.
Use a sharp wood chisel and a lightwieght hammer. Smack it along the seam.
You want high peak force to snap the seam without a lot of mass to penetrate
the pack. It's easy to damage the cells or the circuit board, cause the
plastic is thin
and sits right on 'em. You can't just pull the plastic apart,
you have to break the joint.
And they're typically glued in, so getting the cells out of the plastic
can be a challenge. Be careful where you pry, cause there are thermistors
and thermal fuses buried in there.

Bottom line, unless you have a LOT of packs to fix, give it up.
Have someone who knows what they're doing, recell it.
Or better yet, go to a few garage sales and get a better laptop.
People are decommissioning some mighty fine laptops to make room
for their shiny new ipad.

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TOPIC: PAT testing damage (UK)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/eec67008cac87457?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 28 2011 10:05 am
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 09:45:18 +1000, "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au>
wrote:

>"Jeff Liebermann is a Clueless Idiot "
>>
>> Note that we don't have PAT testers in the USA.
>
>** Shame on you.

It wasn't my decision. We have the best government and regulatory
agencies that money can buy.

>> As part of our
>> governments War on Industry, we trust the outsourced manufacturures in
>> China to produce consumer appliances that electrocute only a modest
>> number of users. We also enjoy the protection of a litigatory
>> environment, that inspires massive recalls if one defective appliance
>> is found on the theory that if one is defective, then the entire
>> production run is also likely to be defective. We also have various
>> testing and certification labs, that will guarantee that an appliance
>> design will not kill the user or initiate a fire, even if the
>> appliance doesn't work. With these protections in place, there's no
>> need for PAT testing.
>
>** Got NOTHING to do with PAT testing !!!

Not even a little bit?

>PAT testing is all about the possibility that electrical equipment may
>become unsafe after a period of use, due to wear and tear, accidental damage
>and water ingress.

That's not a problem in the USA. We have the worlds best throw away
society. Our tools and electrical equipment are never allowed to get
old enough to become dangerous. No self respecting government
employee would even consider using a used tool or machine. At the
first sign of wear or damage, the device is immediately thrown away,
err... recycled, and replaced with a brand new Chinese replacement.
This may also explain why the USA is nearly bankrupt.

>It is only *required* to be done were equipment is of a portable kind and
>provided for staff and others to use in a work environment.

In the USA, workers and staff are largely expendable. In some cases,
the tools and equipment are worth more than the operator. I don't see
much reason for an expensive PAT tester, when simply replacing the
operator will probably be cheaper.

>For example, hire businesses have to regularly PAT test any electrical items
>they rent to folk.

Yeah, that makes sense. The tools and equipment that isn't recycled
or stolen, usually ends up at the local rental yards. I recently had
to rent a chain saw with a big 36" bar. While not electrical, it
would not have passed even a cursory safety inspection. Instead of
mandating PAT testing, perhaps it might be better to give the money
back to the businesses so they can afford to buy new equipment?

>It's an idea dreamt up by bureaucrats - and rather pointless since
>electrical faults and damage occur at ANY time and PAT testing does nothing
>to prevent that.

But, if it saves one life, it must obviously be worth the cost and
effort. That's also the logic here in the USA, particularly in the
drug and product liability industry. If there's only one victim among
millions of perfectly safe users, that's sufficient grounds for
extorting substantial sums from the vendors and enriching the legal
establishment. The search for victims has even extended to TV
advertising by law firms.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 28 2011 10:10 am
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:04:30 +0100, "Gareth Magennis"
<sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote:

>As for the bulging caps, it would surely take some power to do this, which I
>guess could not come from a PAT tester, though if they were zapped by one,
>subsequent use of the unit with its own power supply may cause further
>damage?

Just a minor note... It takes some time for bulging caps to develop.
It's unlikely that there's enough energy in a wall wart to destroy the
caps during a PAT test. It's also not over voltage that kills the
caps. It's the ripple current through the cap that causes the
heating. A cap, with a fixed DC voltage applied, will not blow
(unless the dielectric is perforated). More likely, the caps were
defective and blown for many months prior to the PAT test.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 28 2011 3:35 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:17:12 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

>WOT A FUCKING ASS !!!!!

We know.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 28 2011 3:38 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:39:28 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

> troll.

We know

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 28 2011 5:34 pm
From: Monster

Meat Plow <mhywattt@yahoo.com> wrote in
<news:4spdom.9iq.19.1@news.alt.net>:

> On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:17:12 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:
>
>>WOT A FUCKING ASS !!!!!
>
> We know.

We know.

> --
> Live Fat Die Broke, Leave A Pustulent Corpse

Still not dead from a coronary, fatass? Miracles do happen.

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WHO IS 'MEAT PLOW' from Alt.Usenet.Kooks (AUK)?

The obese, abusive, ugly, snaggle-toothed, giant-headed, gay 'bear'
biker retard who likes to surf gay porn sites as 'BlancoBear' while
wearing only assless chaps:

William Malone Griffith, Jr.
(aka Milt, Meat Plow, BlancoBear, Meat@petitmorte.net, Tripp)
308 10th Street NE
North Canton, OH 44720-2023

Some of this sick fuck's best work, and comments from others about
him:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.buzzard.rules/msg/f630759d6303a19d
Message-ID: <SFexc.17128428$Of.2846155@news.easynews.com>

Willy claims to be a member of SPUTUM (Subgenius Police, Usenet
Tactical Unit, Mobile), but subgenius doesn't even BEGIN to describe
Willy...
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.net-people/msg/b42fac45ef5210f9
Is yer CapsLock on, Willy?

Evidence that Meat Plow is William Malone Griffith, II:
--------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/5650f8e1e7dedefa
Message-ID: <fc5167ee7ad8e6f64bbe528026c00d98@rip.ax.lt>

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/e52ffbb346f5b764
Message-ID: <ac995ab01f76a177f4012486eb671c0e@rip.ax.lt>

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/a94a2a11df601e39
Message-ID: <f6ccd46e74bff6e99d49781388db38c7@rip.ax.lt>

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/ef80aad2e7db945d
Message-ID: <2abe74de52d65b6046cc0bdd3c108d86@rip.ax.lt>
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Meat Plow personal info:
--------------------
Birthdate: Oct 3, 1955

Amateur Radio callsign N8NCX
Technician Plus
(2 meter, 6 meter)
--------------------

--------------------
Photo of MeatPlow in Belden Village Music store (his sister's music
store):
(Note the guitars in the background, the planet-sized head,
the rotten-Chiclet teeth, and general look of retardation)
http://www.productwiki.com/william-malone-griffith-ii/lists/
http://images.productwiki.com/upload/images/william_malone_griffith_ii_avatar_1_0-150-150.jpg

Photo of William Malone Griffith, Jr. from uffnet.com:
(Note that it's the same person as in the photo above)
http://www.uffnet.com/library/headlines/images/news1376621745xlb.jpg

He's got his father's nose and eyes:
http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/kentucky/guestbook.aspx?pid=2527782
http://mi-cache.legacy.com/usercontent/guestbook/photos/2005-09/6966764.jpg
--------------------

Meat Plow email addresses:
--------------------
http://web.archive.org/web/20010305113423/http://www.k1hk.org/ugb_archive3.html
"Bill N8NCX wgriffit@neo.rr.com"

wgriffit at neo.rr.com (neo = North East Ohio)
mhywattt at yahoo.com
mhywatt at yahoo.com
--------------------

Meat Plow admits to being from Ohio:
--------------------
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.17.23.07.01@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.17.23.09.38@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
--------------------

Meat Plow's brushes with the law:
--------------------
1}
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/crim/crim_display_docket_main?pass_case_no=11543&pass_case_type=VBD&pass_case_year=2002&pass_first_name=William&pass_last_name=Griffith

2}
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/civil/civil_display_docket_main?case_year_no=2009-3533&litigant_txt=Griffith
--------------------

Meat Plow quotes:
--------------------
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.18.22.21.28@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I have no shame here in Usenet."

Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.20.01.22.52@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I'd bet $200.00 of that Keiser money you still have that you will
leave before me."

Meat Plow describes his high-powered legal team:
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.25.00.08.32@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"You know i have a legal team who specializes in internet law. And I
won't hesitate to get them in on the action."

Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.25.00.16.43@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I haven't changed nor do I plan on it any time in the near future.
And yes I am bullet-proof as I have proved it."

Meat Plow visits a massage parlor for a Happy Ending massage.
But they refused to give him a Happy Ending his second time there.
That explains why he's gay, he can't even PAY for HAND JOBS from
women.
-----
http://www.clreviews.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11679
"One time I got a HE, and the 2nd time I didn't. I was asked if I was
there both times and said I was. That's is why I didn't know if I said
something wrong the 2nd time which made me not get a HE."

Well, at least we know what he does with his weekends.
-----

Meat Plow losing his connection to reality, insinuating that he's law
enforcement:
Message-ID: <pan.2011.07.02.00.58.38@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I could be LE posing as Meat Plow. It can't be dis-proven."

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Oh, William, what would yer family say if they learned yer secrets?

Mother:
..----------------------------.
Catherine & Angelo Griffith

4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-494-5785
'----------------------------'

Daughter:
..----------------------------.
Julia M. Griffith

308 10th Street NE
North Canton, OH 44720-2023
'----------------------------'

Sister:
..----------------------------------------.
Pamela L. & Roger R. Werling
{ son Todd E. Werling (Ft. Wayne, IN) }
{ son Chris (Kennesaw, GA) }
{ son Keith (Ft. Wayne, IN) }
{ grandson Easton }
{ grandson Zakary }
{ granddaughter Camella }

7704 Bisque Court
Fort Wayne, IN 46825-3501
260-489-6086
'----------------------------------------'

Sister:
..----------------------------------------------.
Cheryl J. & Jason 'Sparky' Humberto E. Rivera
{ daughter Christina }
{ daughter Rosalio (North Canton, OH) }
{ daughter Maria (North Canton, OH) }
{ son Len Gray (Ft. Worth, TX) }

5225 Echo Valley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-9702
----------------------------------------------
Belden Village Music
6787 Wales Ave NW
North Canton, OH 44720
beldenvillagemusic.com
330-497-9292
----------------------------------------------
Rosalio B & Maria I Rivera
444 Wales Rd. NE
Massillon, OH 44646-5875
330-833-4291
----------------------------------------------
PO Box 35093
Canton, OH 44735
'----------------------------------------------'

Sister:
..---------------------------------------.
Carol L. & Ric A. Campbell
{ son Richard }
{ son Christopher (North Canton, OH) }
{ son Brandon († 30 May 1996) }
{ daughter Erin }

6794 William Tell Ave NW
North Canton, OH 44720-6546
330-497-7980
330-499-5107
---------------------------------------
PO Box 36473
Canton, OH 44735
'---------------------------------------'

Sister:
..----------------------------------.
Christine H. & Shelton M. Vick
{ son Matthew }

3915 Harvard Ave NW
Canton, OH 44709-1538
330-493-5645
----------------------------------
Re/Max Edge Realty
North Canton / Massillon / Canton
Realtor Christine H. Vick

6929 Portage St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-6535
330-236-5100
888-830-6509 (fax)
330-904-0883 (cell)
www.MyOhioHomeFinder.com
MyOhioHomeFinder@gmail.com
'----------------------------------'

Sister:
..----------------------------.
Angela C. & Mark Warshefski

11 SE 12th St.
Pompano Beach, FL 33060
954-785-4716
----------------------------
4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-942-0584
'----------------------------'

Cousin:
..-------------------------.
Eddy Dailey

Bergholz Super Mart
861 Washington St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-1018
-------------------------
Bergholz Financial Corp.
dba SuperMart
PO Box 545
524 Garfield St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
'-------------------------'

Cousin:
..--------------------.
Donna L. Dailey

524 5th St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-2416
--------------------
Bergholz Super Mart
861 Washington St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-1018
--------------------
Bergholz, OH EMT
'--------------------'

Cousin:
..-------------------.
Bill & Joyce Leas
{ son Billy }

243 2nd St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
'-------------------'

Niece:
..---------------------------.
Rachel & Adam T. Livengood
{ son Lukas }
{ daughter Lauren }

6342 Palmer Dr. NW
Canton, OH 44718
330-497-7754
'---------------------------'

Izzatchoo, or yer dead daddy?
..--------------------------------.
William M. Griffith

between 3rd and 4th St.
between Monroe and Lincoln Ave.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-2539
'--------------------------------'

What would yer landlord for 308 10th St. NE,
North Canton, OH say if they learned yer secrets?
..----------------------------.
David S. and Joan R. Shaner

2095 Waterbury Dr.
Uniontown OH 44312
330-699-4042
'----------------------------'

What would the employees at yer family's
business say if they learned yer secrets?
..-----------------------------------------.
Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation
aka Ohio Oil & Gas Exploration (defunct)
aka Ohio Kentucky Coal Company (defunct)

5112 Portage St. NW
Canton, OH 44720-6856
(330) 494-8810
(330) 497-7980
-----------------------------------------
110 E. Lowry Lane
Lexington, KY 40503
(800) BUY 4 OIL
(800) 289-4645
(859) 223-5656
(859) 223-5946
(859) 276-0699 (fax)
(859) 276-3500
(859) 276-4080
-----------------------------------------
http://www.ohiokentuckyoil.com
oilstrike@insightbb.com
admin@ohiokentuckyoil.net
'-----------------------------------------'

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Oh, but wait, Ohio Oil & Gas Exploration is no longer incorporated in
Ohio:
Daddy Griffith's petrol exploration company (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:384125

Nor are any of the other businesses yer daddy started. You let them
all fail:
Daddy Griffith's stables (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:377966

Daddy Griffith's motel business (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:377965

Daddy Griffith's drilling company (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:347837

Daddy Griffith's metals business (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:552193

And Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation is on its last legs, inundated with
securities fraud lawsuits and EPA lawsuits. It's barred from
soliciting investors in Tennessee due to securities fraud, it's under
investigation in Ohio and Kentucky, it owns no oil assets or wells,
and it no longer does any of its own drilling. It'll be gone soon,
too.

And you've squandered everything Daddy Griffith earned from his
businesses, so yer now poor, adding insult to injury.
----------

You being poor is why you issued the following. You knew you didn't
have ten thousand dollars or so to defend yerself against yet another
lawsuit:

William Malone Griffith, II's grovelfest of an apology for being a
fucktard stauker:
==================================================
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/browse_thread/thread/8d753c94bd612f4e
http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/3859383/meat_plow_exposed
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/c9fccf0d1ab26ace
Message-ID: <3n4c2e.bi4.17.1@news.alt.net>

Title: Apology to Charles Novins

The witnesses to this abject, groveling apology:

Angela Griffith = Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski, William Malone
Griffith, Jr.'s sister

Catherine Griffith = William Malone Griffith, Jr.'s mother

Julia M. Griffith = William Malone Griffith, Jr.'s daughter

Cheri Griffith = Cheryl J. Griffith-Rivera, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister

Justin M. Griffith = ?

Kristy Griffith = Christine H. Griffith-Vick, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister

-----

Questions yet to be answered:
Who is Justin M. Griffith?

Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski came all the way from Pompano Beach,
Florida to witness and sign MeatPlow's apology letter?

Or did William Malone Griffith, Jr. forge the witness signatures,
which would indicate some level of insincerity in the apology?

If William Malone Griffith, Jr. did indeed forge the witness
signatures, is his family cognizant of him using them in this way?

Who is Deborah Ann Griffith?

-----
Who is Sherri Renee Christie, William D. Christie (age 54) and Lillie
L. Christie, and how are they associated with William Malone Griffith,
II?

1345 Bison St. NW
Massillon, OH 44647
330-833-5313 (Sherri)
330-837-4967 (William)

2524 Meadows Ave NW
Apt. 4
Massillon, OH 44647

PO Box 36221
Canton, OH 44735
-----

==================================================

It's time for a digital enema to flush this turd named William Malone
Griffith, II out of the system.

The exit is -.
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thataway

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 28 2011 5:36 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:99d9biFrpiU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Arfa Daily is Fucked in the Head "
>>
>>
>>>> The items in question, are often boom boxes that are double insulated,
>>>> and have a removable figure 8 power lead, so there is absolutely no
>>>> point in applying these tests, anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>> ** The reverse is true.
>>>
>>> Class 2 items are the most important to PAT test - as they RELY,
>>> 100%, on insulation quality to be safe.
>>>
>>> So the leakage test is ESSENTIAL !
>>>
>>
>>
>> Leakage from where to where ?
>
>
> ** My god - are YOU really a service tech ??
>
>
> FYI - you asinine pommy fuckwit:
>
> From both the AC supply pins to any exposed metal parts
>
> - including all connectors.
> -----------------------------

Yes, we know that's the theory. What I was asking was what, on a
plastic-cased boom box with no external connectors, you would consider to be
an appropriate 'exposed metal part', to test against. The FM telescopic
antenna, maybe ? And then, just for good measure, hit the thing with a flash
test as well ? Because it happens. PAT testers are dangerous items in the
hands of electricians, who do not understand electronics, and the
sensitivity of LSIs to blasts of high voltage. *That's* what I meant by
"inappropriate" PAT testing, but of course, as ever, there were you, running
off at the mouth with what bit of brain you still have that's not totally
addled, completely disengaged.

You are, Philip, a total knob-head ...

Arfa

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 28 2011 8:20 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 02:34:33 +0200, Monster wrote:

> Meat Plow <mhywattt@yahoo.com> wrote in
> <news:4spdom.9iq.19.1@news.alt.net>:
>
>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:17:12 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:
>>
>>>WOT A FUCKING ASS !!!!!
>>
>> We know.
>
> We know.

Aw....poor Alien,z,s,c,f,r,t,g,y,h,y,j,u,j,i,etc...

Those tears of failure are streaming in buckets down your
face. How does such an overwhelming defeat feel? And after
all those sleepless nights on Google and your welfare money spent
stalking? Drives you fucking crazy doesn't it :)

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 29 2011 2:09 am
From: Franc Zabkar

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 18:36:27 +0100, "Gareth Magennis"
<sound.service@btconnect.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>I have a Roland drum machine in for repair. The machine powers up and goes
>through the Operating System upgrade, up to the point the Flash is written
>to, where it fails and the unit will not boot, showing a "damaged memory"
>warning. I suspect the Flash chip is faulty.

If you can read the flash memory, then checksum its contents. You
could also inspect the contents for misspelt text strings.

Another thing to try is to lift the chip's clock pin (serial flash),
or its CS or OE pin (parallel flash). If the machine's symptoms remain
the same, then it's a good bet that the flash is bad, or its supply
has too much ripple.

>An internal inspection shows around 10 caps around the internal power
>supplies are bulging and have leaked guff onto the PCB. The 3.3v rail is at
>over 4 volts, so presumable the regulator is toast.

If the regulator is linear, then I'd say it is faulty. Otherwise, if
it is a switchmode type, then it could be a capacitor issue.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 29 2011 5:13 am
From: "Phil Allison"

"Jeff Liebermann is Off His Head "

"Jeff Liebermann is a Clueless Idiot "

>>> Note that we don't have PAT testers in the USA.
>>
>>** Shame on you.

>>> As part of our
>>> governments War on Industry, we trust the outsourced manufacturures in
>>> China to produce consumer appliances that electrocute only a modest
>>> number of users. We also enjoy the protection of a litigatory
>>> environment, that inspires massive recalls if one defective appliance
>>> is found on the theory that if one is defective, then the entire
>>> production run is also likely to be defective. We also have various
>>> testing and certification labs, that will guarantee that an appliance
>>> design will not kill the user or initiate a fire, even if the
>>> appliance doesn't work. With these protections in place, there's no
>>> need for PAT testing.
>>
>>** Got NOTHING to do with PAT testing !!!
>
>
>>PAT testing is all about the possibility that electrical equipment may
>>become unsafe after a period of use, due to wear and tear, accidental
>>damage
>>and water ingress.
>
> That's not a problem in the USA.

** You are a fucking public menace.

FOAD.

.... Phil

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 29 2011 5:20 am
From: "Phil Allison"

"Arfa Daily is Fucked in the Head "
>>
>>>
>>>>> The items in question, are often boom boxes that are double insulated,
>>>>> and have a removable figure 8 power lead, so there is absolutely no
>>>>> point in applying these tests, anyway.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ** The reverse is true.
>>>>
>>>> Class 2 items are the most important to PAT test - as they RELY,
>>>> 100%, on insulation quality to be safe.
>>>>
>>>> So the leakage test is ESSENTIAL !
>>>>
>>>
>>> Leakage from where to where ?
>>
>>
>> ** My god - are YOU really a service tech ??
>>
>>
>> FYI - you asinine pommy fuckwit:
>>
>> From both the AC supply pins to any exposed metal parts
>>
>> - including all connectors.
>> -----------------------------
>
>
> Yes, we know that's the theory.

** You did not.

> What I was asking was what, on a plastic-cased boom box with no external
> connectors,

** They nearly all have external connectors for headphones and line outs/ins
etc and even telescopic antennas.

There is no FOOL like an OLD FOOL.

And there is nothing worse than a damn liar.

And YOU are both.

.... Phil

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 28 2011 2:20 pm
From: cj

Thanks for the replies. I guess I'll be getting rid of this range. I
definitely agree the ceramic is easy to clean. We have a gas range now
and I loathe cleaning it.

CJ

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TOPIC: Kenmore 110.24722300 broken tub
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 28 2011 3:15 pm
From: nucleus

FYI, i did this from the INSIDE of the plastic tub, where the
water pressure is positive and did NOT remove the tub from
the machine.

On Jul 27, 7:14 am, Jstein <stein.je...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I may try the welding you described if my silicone does not hold.

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TOPIC: Is there a fuse on a Samsung SV4000?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 28 2011 4:58 pm
From: Amanda Ripanykhazov

On Jul 22, 2:59 am, Adrian C <em...@here.invalid> wrote:

> 1. Put the item away,
> 2. Flip Burgers for a week,
> 3. Buy a new one ...
>
> --
> Adrian C

OK Adrian, you were right in principal, I was naive

Samsung list it but don't sell it. I would imagine they sold off their
stocks of these VCR parts years ago

I wonder to whom?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 29 2011 3:38 am
From: "N_Cook"

First of these looked as though a failure of the tuner block. Owner bought
another one for spares, removable front display missing.

This one has exactly the same fault symptom so more likely a problem with
the front panel (or improbable same tuner fault on 2 separately acquired
units).
Tuner will go into auto strongest signal search and store in memory and also
readout follows manual input of frequency and stores in memory but at no
point does the audio come through to the output amp.
Pressing the presets shows the frequencies but no audio. Injecting local
modulated RF in there and audio is outputed and stays invariant on pressing
any preset so stuck on one RF tuning setting. So not a false muting problem

Some of the main chip SM solderings seemed suspect so redid the non LCD
segment ones. Cleaned the 14 pin front to interior header plug. No stuck
closed keys. It looks as though the front has been kneed at some point as
the ring around the rotary encoder button is cracked but no pcb problems
found.
The LCD clock, CE and data lines between the 14 pin header and the 64 pin
chip trace through. Not possible to scope anything on the board without
making up a one-off extender cable.
I'm assuming some data problem but what changes between sending data to and
from the tuner to load the presets and normal listening mode?
Schematics are out there for this model

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