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* Videocon VLL22SBH Price in India - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Dictabelt speed - 8 messages, 3 authors
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* OT Re: CFLs - retrofitting low ESR capacitors - 6 messages, 4 authors
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TOPIC: Videocon VLL22SBH Price in India
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/f0710985293eb63d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 12:18 am
From: ritesh

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TOPIC: Dictabelt speed
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/66d145be4996768d?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 1:10 am
From: adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham)

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:08:55 +0100,
> adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) wrote:
>
> >Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
[...]
> As I understand it, the machine is something like this:
> <http://www.videointerchange.com/images/Dictabelt3.jpg>
> <http://www.gumtree.com/p/for-sale/dictaphone-timemaster-dictabelt-recorder-
>electronica/86424428>

> <http://www.dpph.nl/content/radio_tv_audio/recorders/dictaphone/
>dictaphone0711.html>

Yes

> <http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/Dictabelts/dictabelts.htm>

This was my set-up which I am now having to replace.

[...]

> Ok, I need to know the manufacturer,...

Dictaphone

> model number, ...

Any Dictabelt model

>and color of the
> belt (blue or red).

Any belt

I am constructing a playback machine for archival work, which needs to
be able to cope with any Dictabelt. There was a standard speed which
applied to all the normal models and all belts, so as to allow
interchangeability of the belts world-wide.

The basic machine was designed for 60 c/s mains, but there were
adaptations to allow the machines to run at the correct belt speeds on
50 c/s. Some special machines were also designed to run at half speed
for logging purposes . I have already encountered some belts which were
recorded on unadapted half-speed 60 c/s machines working from 50 c/s
supplies - and, no doubt, there will be others which were recorded at
different non-standard speeds for various reasons.

What I need to know is the manufacturer's specification for the standard
belt speed which was supposed to allow interchangeability between all
the machines. I can then calibrate the speed control on my machine to
show the %age speed variation from the norm, so as to deduce information
about the circumstances under which each belt was recorded.

--
~ Adrian Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 1:10 am
From: adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham)

isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:

> In article
> <1k8djs5.mfwbsv10hentqN%adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
> adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) wrote:
>
> > Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:07:40 +0100,
> > > adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) wrote:
> > >
> > > >Does anyone happen to know the official speed of a Dictabelt?
> > >
> > > Which maker and what model?
> > > They followed the same speeds at record platters.
> > > ips time
> > > 15 15 min
> > > 7 1/2 30 min
> > > 3 3/4 60 min
> > > 1 7/8 120 min
> >
> > I think you have misunderstood the type of machine I am enquiring about.
> >
> > [...]
> > > >It seems
> > > >to be around 6 inches per second or 30 belt revolutions per minute, but
> > > >there must be a proper specification somewhere.
> > >
> > > 30 rev/min = 0.5 rev/sec. At 12" per revolution, that's:
> > > 0.5 rev/sec * 12 in/rev = 6 in/sec.
> > > Close enough to 7.5 ips.
> >
> > It issignificantly below 7.5 ips. I need to know the manufacturer's
> > specifications as I am developing a playback machine for archival work,
> > where comparison between the actual speed and the 'official' speed can
> > yield useful historical information.
>
> Any chance of there being any power-line hum in the recording? If there
> is, that's your calibration. If not the fundamental, then maybe
> harmonics ...

That sometimes occurs and is very helpful as long as the machine was
running from stabilised mains supplies. Some Dictabelt machines were
battery-powered and some 'in the field' would have been run from
inverters or vibrator packs.

I need to know the manufacturer's standard speed in order to measure
the variations of individual belts from the norm.

--
~ Adrian Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 1:10 am
From: adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham)

Jeff Urban <jurb6006@gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting dilemma you got there. I searched the web but then it
> would be unreasonable to think you hadn't. I found something called a
> memobelt which was supposedly the same or similar.
>
> However in thinking about it, being a scribing machine of sorts, and
> given the time frame I would think two things, well one.....
>
> It is unlikely that the unit used a capstan.

This is a belt recording system, it was driven by being tensioned around
a pair of parallel rollers.

--
~ Adrian Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 1:11 am
From: "N_Cook"

Adrian Tuddenham <adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:1k8dan9.1l7m6azx4r8h2N%adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid...
> N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Jeffrey Angus <grendelair@aim.com> wrote in message
> > news:j623aa$22l$1@dont-email.me...
> > > On 9/29/2011 10:22 AM, N_Cook wrote:
> > > > Try posting to r.a.r.p ?
> > >
> > > That would be rec.antiques,radio+phono or is
> > > that a different group you had in mind?
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > --
> > > "Everything from Crackers to Coffins"
> >
> > yep
> >
> >
> > To OP, would that use shaded pole motor and then fixed gearing?
>
> Capacitor start/run motor with rubber idlerprimary drive; then pulleys
> and a flat belt to the final drive roller shaft - so there's plenty of
> slippage to give measurement errors.
>
> Also, the machines I have seen in the UK have 60 c/s motors adapted for
> 50 c/s, which have very low torque and a high slip frequency on load.
>
> (The only fixed gearing is between the drive roller and the leadscrew.)
>
> --
> ~ Adrian Tuddenham ~
> (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
> www.poppyrecords.co.uk

For the Kennedy material someone melded the dictaphone audio to the 24? fps
of film so if any repeat noise/clicks on the belt would then be synced to
the film and a forensically accurate timing to determine the number of shots
or echoes

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 1:21 am
From: "N_Cook"

Adrian Tuddenham <adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:1k8ehbi.1k8desl4ft1duN%adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid...
> Jeff Urban <jurb6006@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Interesting dilemma you got there. I searched the web but then it
> > would be unreasonable to think you hadn't. I found something called a
> > memobelt which was supposedly the same or similar.
> >
> > However in thinking about it, being a scribing machine of sorts, and
> > given the time frame I would think two things, well one.....
> >
> > It is unlikely that the unit used a capstan.
>
> This is a belt recording system, it was driven by being tensioned around
> a pair of parallel rollers.
>
> --
> ~ Adrian Tuddenham ~
> (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
> www.poppyrecords.co.uk

Patent number and then Is the original patent tech info available?

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 2:00 am
From: Geo

On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:31:54 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>If this is not the machine, it might be helpful if you would kindly
>disclose some additional clues such as the maker and model numbers.

Perhaps Adrian should have said that he has been working on these for
some time:-
e.g:-
http://cadensa.bl.uk/uhtbin/cgisirsi/x/0/0/5?searchdata1=CKEY6010012&library=ALL
http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/Dictabelts/dictabelts.htm

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 2:24 am
From: adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham)

N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:

> Adrian Tuddenham <adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:1k8ehbi.1k8desl4ft1duN%adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid...
> > Jeff Urban <jurb6006@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Interesting dilemma you got there. I searched the web but then it
> > > would be unreasonable to think you hadn't. I found something called a
> > > memobelt which was supposedly the same or similar.
> > >
> > > However in thinking about it, being a scribing machine of sorts, and
> > > given the time frame I would think two things, well one.....
> > >
> > > It is unlikely that the unit used a capstan.
> >
> > This is a belt recording system, it was driven by being tensioned around
> > a pair of parallel rollers.
> >
> > --
> > ~ Adrian Tuddenham ~
> > (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
> > www.poppyrecords.co.uk
>
>
> Patent number and then Is the original patent tech info available?

Loads of patents, but I don't suppose any of them would include the
meanufacturer's designated belt speed.

--
~ Adrian Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 2:24 am
From: adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham)

N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:

> Adrian Tuddenham <adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:1k8dan9.1l7m6azx4r8h2N%adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid...
> > N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Jeffrey Angus <grendelair@aim.com> wrote in message
> > > news:j623aa$22l$1@dont-email.me...
> > > > On 9/29/2011 10:22 AM, N_Cook wrote:
> > > > > Try posting to r.a.r.p ?
> > > >
> > > > That would be rec.antiques,radio+phono or is
> > > > that a different group you had in mind?
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > "Everything from Crackers to Coffins"
> > >
> > > yep
> > >
> > >
> > > To OP, would that use shaded pole motor and then fixed gearing?
> >
> > Capacitor start/run motor with rubber idlerprimary drive; then pulleys
> > and a flat belt to the final drive roller shaft - so there's plenty of
> > slippage to give measurement errors.
> >
> > Also, the machines I have seen in the UK have 60 c/s motors adapted for
> > 50 c/s, which have very low torque and a high slip frequency on load.
> >
> > (The only fixed gearing is between the drive roller and the leadscrew.)
> >
> > --
> > ~ Adrian Tuddenham ~
> > (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
> > www.poppyrecords.co.uk
>
>
> For the Kennedy material someone melded the dictaphone audio to the 24? fps
> of film so if any repeat noise/clicks on the belt would then be synced to
> the film and a forensically accurate timing to determine the number of shots
> or echoes

It is better to try to find the original specification, rather than to
deduce it from recordings which may have been altered or may not have
followed the standard in the first place.

As you can see above, it is not easy to be certain what the standard was
supposed to be, even when an actual machine is available.

--
~ Adrian Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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TOPIC: Numark Matrix 2, CD DJ desk , 2003 ?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/6d25d79c397089c2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 1:04 am
From: "N_Cook"

sheet metal work cock-up, the rear sub-chassis is 1.5mm shorter than the
front so 2 fibre washers, for padding out, so as not to strain/split the
plastic outer case

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TOPIC: req advice: problem with philips TV
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/17d85c093ed88057?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 1:13 am
From: "N_Cook"

tg <noemail@address12345.net> wrote in message
news:j62r4a$dha$1@dont-email.me...
> Philips TV 26PF5512D
> I know this is a long shot but maybe someone out there is familiar with
this
> tv and knows why it freezes up. Here are some pics to go by:
> http://www.zen187664.zen.co.uk/tv/
> The problem occurrs when using the digital freeview channels - the TV
> sometimes freezes up and won't respond to the remote control. It happens
> often when I'm going through the program list for digital freeview.(second
> picture down at the above link). Sometimes as I go up and down the program
> list the TV will suddenly freeze up, nothing works on the remote control
> except the off button and I have to switch the TV off. It takes about a
> minute for the tv to come back on properly. If I wait a whole minute
things
> are usually ok again, but if I try to rush it and switch on before then
it's
> still problematic and won't display an image - I get a black screen,
> sometimes with audio, sometimes not. I can't reproduce this problem at
will,
> it's random. Sometimes the TV is ok and other times it will freeze up.
Does
> anyone know where the problem might lie and which component I should
replace
> to cure this?
>

Bypass the internal freeview and feed in from an external set-top box? if
you can live with that

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 4:32 am
From: John Fields

On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:21:52 +0100, "tg" <noemail@address12345.net>
wrote:

>Philips TV 26PF5512D
>I know this is a long shot but maybe someone out there is familiar with this
>tv and knows why it freezes up. Here are some pics to go by:
>http://www.zen187664.zen.co.uk/tv/
>The problem occurrs when using the digital freeview channels - the TV
>sometimes freezes up and won't respond to the remote control. It happens
>often when I'm going through the program list for digital freeview.(second
>picture down at the above link). Sometimes as I go up and down the program
>list the TV will suddenly freeze up, nothing works on the remote control
>except the off button and I have to switch the TV off. It takes about a
>minute for the tv to come back on properly. If I wait a whole minute things
>are usually ok again, but if I try to rush it and switch on before then it's
>still problematic and won't display an image - I get a black screen,
>sometimes with audio, sometimes not. I can't reproduce this problem at will,
>it's random. Sometimes the TV is ok and other times it will freeze up. Does
>anyone know where the problem might lie and which component I should replace
>to cure this?

---
http://www.support.philips.com/support/sms_page.jsp?userLanguage=en&userCountry=us

--
JF

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 6:16 am
From: Sylvia Else

On 30/09/2011 8:21 AM, tg wrote:
> Philips TV 26PF5512D
> I know this is a long shot but maybe someone out there is familiar with
> this
> tv and knows why it freezes up. Here are some pics to go by:
> http://www.zen187664.zen.co.uk/tv/
> The problem occurrs when using the digital freeview channels - the TV
> sometimes freezes up and won't respond to the remote control. It happens
> often when I'm going through the program list for digital freeview.(second
> picture down at the above link). Sometimes as I go up and down the program
> list the TV will suddenly freeze up, nothing works on the remote control
> except the off button and I have to switch the TV off. It takes about a
> minute for the tv to come back on properly. If I wait a whole minute things
> are usually ok again, but if I try to rush it and switch on before then
> it's
> still problematic and won't display an image - I get a black screen,
> sometimes with audio, sometimes not. I can't reproduce this problem at
> will,
> it's random. Sometimes the TV is ok and other times it will freeze up. Does
> anyone know where the problem might lie and which component I should
> replace
> to cure this?

Without claiming any sort of expertise on this, I'd have to suspect that
the big GENESIS display chip is freezing, which in turn could be due to
noise on the power supply line. Failing decoupling capacitors?

Sylvia.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 6:55 am
From: "tg"

> Bypass the internal freeview and feed in from an external set-top box? if
> you can live with that
>
yes I can live with that no problem but I have elderly mother who can't.

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TOPIC: OT Re: CFLs - retrofitting low ESR capacitors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/4b33f31f667954a0?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 3:12 am
From: keithr

On 30/09/2011 7:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> keithr wrote:
>> On 29/09/2011 1:17 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> Arfa Daily wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **Nope. I accept that when all the planet's climatologists warn of
>>>>> a problem that they are likely to be correct.>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All ?
>>>
>>> **Near enough. 97% is as close to consensus as it gets. If 97
>>> doctors told you that if you did not alter your diet, you would get
>>> a heart attack and 3 doctors told you not to alter your diet,
>>> because you'd be fine, what would you do?
>>
>> Heres one with a fair amount of credibility who puts up a reasonable
>> theory contra to that put up by the IPCC. Whether he is right or wrong
>> is way beyond the capability of anybody here to decide, but at least
>> he is approaching the subject from a reasoned scientific perspective
>> not the screaming political one that most seem to favour.
>>
>> Global warming is a fact, the only argument is whether it is natural
>> and we cannot do anything about it or it is caused by man made
>> conditions that we can control.
>>
>> http://www.drroyspencer.com/research-articles/global-warming-as-a-natural-response/
>
> **Whilst not proof that Spencer is wrong about climate science, it is
> important to realise that Spencer is a strong proponent of 'Intelligent
> Design', rather than evolution as an explanation for the way that species
> have become diverse on this planet. A religious viewpoint such at Spencer's
> places him in rather a poor light straight off. Spencer is a believer in the
> supernatural. Not only that, but he is very active in groups that support
> the notion of a supernatural explanation of how things occur on this planet.
> Sad.
>
> Roy Spencer is (partly) paid by the Heartland Institute. The Heartland
> Institute is funded by Philip Morris (big tobacco), Olin Foundation (the gun
> lobby) and Exxon (big oil). His views are hardly surprising, given his
> employer/s.
>
> Here are some claims made by Spencer, along with some criticisms of
> Spencer's supernatural ideas:
>
> http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-sensitivity.htm
>
> http://www.skepticalscience.com/clouds-negative-feedback.htm
>
> http://www.skepticalscience.com/Dropped-stations-introduce-warming-bias.htm
>
> http://www.skepticalscience.com/ipcc-scientific-consensus.htm
>
> http://www.skepticalscience.com/few-degrees-global-warming.htm
>
> http://www.skepticalscience.com/loehle-scafetta-60-year-cycle.htm
>
> http://www.skepticalscience.com/roy-spencer-negative-feedback-climate-sensitivity.htm
>
> http://www.skepticalscience.com/satellite-measurements-warming-troposphere.htm
>
> http://www.skepticalscience.com/a-cloudy-outlook-for-low-climate-sensitivity.html
>
> http://www.skepticalscience.com/Roy-Spencers-Great-Blunder-Part-1.html
>
> http://www.skepticalscience.com/Roy-Spencers-Great-Blunder-Part-2.html
>
> http://www.skepticalscience.com/Roy-Spencers-Great-Blunder-Part-3.html
>
> http://www.skepticalscience.com/spencers-misdiagnosis-of-surface-temperature-feedback.html
>
> It is good that you've taken the time to read about the AGW issue. I trust
> that you will also take the time to read the science, from real scientists,
> who do not place their faith in the supernatural, nor take their money from
> big oil. This is an excellent place to start:
>
> www.ipcc.ch

The question is whether you have read his arguments or just the
refutations that others have written about them.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 5:08 am
From: kreed

On Sep 30, 11:55 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
> Arfa Daily wrote:
> > "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
> >news:9ek674FhoqU1@mid.individual.net...
> >> keithr wrote:
> >>> On 29/09/2011 1:17 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> >>>> Arfa Daily wrote:
> >>>>> <snip>
>
> >>>>>> **Nope. I accept that when all the planet's climatologists warn
> >>>>>> of a problem that they are likely to be correct.>
>
> >>>>> All ?
>
> >>>> **Near enough. 97% is as close to consensus as it gets. If 97
> >>>> doctors told you that if you did not alter your diet, you would get
> >>>> a heart attack and 3 doctors told you not to alter your diet,
> >>>> because you'd be fine, what would you do?
>
> >>> Heres one with a fair amount of credibility who puts up a reasonable
> >>> theory contra to that put up by the IPCC. Whether he is right or
> >>> wrong is way beyond the capability of anybody here to decide, but
> >>> at least he is approaching the subject from a reasoned scientific
> >>> perspective not the screaming political one that most seem to
> >>> favour. Global warming is a fact, the only argument is whether it is
> >>> natural
> >>> and we cannot do anything about it or it is caused by man made
> >>> conditions that we can control.
>
> >>>http://www.drroyspencer.com/research-articles/global-warming-as-a-nat...
>
> >> **Whilst not proof that Spencer is wrong about climate science, it is
> >> important to realise that Spencer is a strong proponent of
> >> 'Intelligent Design', rather than evolution as an explanation for
> >> the way that species have become diverse on this planet. A religious
> >> viewpoint such at Spencer's places him in rather a poor light
> >> straight off. Spencer is a believer in the supernatural. Not only
> >> that, but he is very active in groups that support the notion of a
> >> supernatural explanation of how things occur on this planet. Sad.
>
> >> Roy Spencer is (partly) paid by the Heartland Institute. The
> >> Heartland Institute is funded by Philip Morris (big tobacco), Olin
> >> Foundation (the gun lobby) and Exxon (big oil). His views are hardly
> >> surprising, given his employer/s.
>
> >> Here are some claims made by Spencer, along with some criticisms of
> >> Spencer's supernatural ideas:
>
> >>http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-sensitivity.htm
>
> >>http://www.skepticalscience.com/clouds-negative-feedback.htm
>
> >>http://www.skepticalscience.com/Dropped-stations-introduce-warming-bi...
>
> >>http://www.skepticalscience.com/ipcc-scientific-consensus.htm
>
> >>http://www.skepticalscience.com/few-degrees-global-warming.htm
>
> >>http://www.skepticalscience.com/loehle-scafetta-60-year-cycle.htm
>
> >>http://www.skepticalscience.com/roy-spencer-negative-feedback-climate...
>
> >>http://www.skepticalscience.com/satellite-measurements-warming-tropos...
>
> >>http://www.skepticalscience.com/a-cloudy-outlook-for-low-climate-sens...
>
> >>http://www.skepticalscience.com/Roy-Spencers-Great-Blunder-Part-1.html
>
> >>http://www.skepticalscience.com/Roy-Spencers-Great-Blunder-Part-2.html
>
> >>http://www.skepticalscience.com/Roy-Spencers-Great-Blunder-Part-3.html
>
> >>http://www.skepticalscience.com/spencers-misdiagnosis-of-surface-temp...
>
> >> It is good that you've taken the time to read about the AGW issue. I
> >> trust that you will also take the time to read the science, from real
> >> scientists, who do not place their faith in the supernatural, nor
> >> take their money from big oil. This is an excellent place to start:
>
> >>www.ipcc.ch
>
> >> --
> >> Trevor Wilson
> >>www.rageaudio.com.au
>
> > You're not by any chance a JW as well, are you Trevor ... ? :-)
>
> **I am not well regarded by Jehovah's Witness', nor by Mormans. When
> religious nutters turn up on my doorstep to push their peculiar religion
> down my throat, I feel zero compuction in stting them down, offering them a
> cup of tea and then proceding to lecture them on science and the nonsensical
> nature of supernatural beliefs. Most hurridly excuse themselves and make
> their escape.
>
> --
> Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

Thats because it isnt a corporation, with real money, media and power
behind it. If it was, he would believe anything they told him :)

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 5:22 am
From: Jeffrey Angus

On 9/30/2011 7:08 AM, kreed wrote:
> Thats because it isnt a corporation, with real money, media and power
> behind it. If it was, he would believe anything they told him:)

Sounds like Scientology would be the perfect fit then.

Jeff

--
"Everything from Crackers to Coffins"

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 7:31 am
From: kreed

On Sep 29, 7:24 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
> Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:24:35 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
> > <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
> >> * Clear, unequivocal evidence that the planet is warming at a faster
> >> rate at any time in the last 600,000 years.
>
> > Ahem...
> > <http://junksciencearchive.com/MSU_Temps/All_Comp.png>
>
> **Er, 1978 ~ 2010 is not 600,000 years. Not even close. However, this graph
> may provide a little more information:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg
>
> Not quite 600,000 years, but considerably more than 30. Here's some more
> information:
>
> http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/
>
> And:
>
> http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/Closer_Look/i...
>
> > from:
> > <http://junksciencearchive.com/MSU_Temps/Warming_Look.html>
>
> >> * Clear, unequivocal evidence that the planet is experiencing a rate
> >> of CO2 rise that is faster than at any time in the last 600,000
> >> years.
>
> > Ahem...
> > <http://www.junksciencearchive.com/MSU_Temps/UAHMSUglobe.html>
>
> **Again, a 30 year trend merely backs my claim.
>
>
>
> >> * Clear, unequivocal evidence that the rate of temperature rise has
> >> been closely linked to CO2 rise in the past.
>
> > Yep. Track volcanoes.
> > <http://junksciencearchive.com/MSU_Temps/scale2.html>
> > <http://junksciencearchive.com/MSU_Temps/scale1.html>
>
> **What are you trying to say? That the temerature of the planet is rising?
> That CO2 levels are rising? No argument from me.
>
>
>
> > Ok, I'll be the first to mention that Steven Milloy may have taken
> > money from Exxon (indirectly), but it has never been proven. Decide
> > for yourself:
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Milloy>
>
> **The data presented shows:
>
> * That CO2 levels are rising.
> * That average temperatures are trending upwards.
>
> I have no issue with that data.
>
>
>
> > Since you're so sure that AGW is a proven thing, maybe you can collect
> > the $500,000 from Milloy? Send a few dollars my way if you succeed:
> > <http://ultimateglobalwarmingchallenge.com>
>
> **I am satisfied that AGW has been shown to be the most likey explanation
> for the temperature rise that has been noted, with around 95% confidence.
> That is not 100% confidence and would likely not qualify for the money. It
> is likely that, by the time 100% confidence has been reached, several things
> will have occured:
>
> * Milloy will be dead.
> * VERY serious problems associated with global warming will be occuring and
> the planet will have descended into a state of anarchy. US Dollars will
> likely be virtually worthless. Food will be only currency of value.
>
>
>
> >> * Clear, unequivocal evidence that Solar variability fails to
> >> account for the temperature rise over the last 200 years.
>
> > Maybe. The problem is that none of the satellites are able to measure
> > planetary albedo with sufficient accuracy to make a definitive
> > determination.
>
> **Which is why measuring the rate of heat retention by the oceans is so
> important:
>
> http://www.bom.gov.au/inside/eiab/State-of-climate-2010-updated.pdf
>
> Examine the graph on page 4. The planet's oceans store vastly more heat than
> the troposphere does. The oceans are warming.
>
> We can do almost nothing in the way of measuring
>
> > albedo from the ground. The plan is for the satellite to measure how
> > much energy is reflected by the planet (which includes atmospheric,
> > ocean, ice, land, etc) and also solar output. The energy difference
> > is presumed to be what the planet absorbs. Note that all the energy
> > is not necessarily at IR (heating). Apparently it's sufficiently
> > important that NASA burned $424 million on the failed Glory launch,
> > and other global warming related birds. The current assumption that
> > solar variations do not account for the alleged rise in average
> > temperatures is based on computer models with some rather serious
> > potential errors.
>
> **Really? Which errors? We know that the Sun output has diminished
> (slightly) over the past couple of decades and yet the temperature trend of
> the Earth is still up.
>
>
>
> > There's also a rather odd problem of just what the satellites are
> > actually measuring. Temperature varies with altitude. Satellite IR
> > imagers measure through all the various layers of the atmosphere. If
> > there are clouds covering a land mass, the IR imager gets the
> > temperature of the clouds, not the ground. So, to prevent this
> > obvious anomaly, the computers are set to only read numbers where
> > there are no clouds. However, that discounts the effects of aerosols
> > and particulates (i.e. dust) in the upper atmosphere, which does a
> > marvelous job of reflecting sunlight into the IR imager. Volcanoes
> > make it really difficult to get accurate readings. Plenty of other
> > complications requiring the usual tweaks, adjustments, compensations,
> > normalization, and cherry picking. Oh well.
>
> **Which is why ocean temperature measurements are so important. It is the
> planet's oceans that contain the most heat. By a considerable margin.
>
>
>
> > What Malloy has done with the "global thermometer" mentioned above is
> > to take as much of the METAR and NOAA temperature data as possible and
> > average all of it. The theory is that if you're faced with a large
> > number of potentially erroneous data points, and don't have the means
> > to reduce the errors, averaging all the bad data together will somehow
> > result in good data. That's because the errors will tend to be in
> > random directions and hopefully cancel. Since the IPCC uses the same
> > method, one can presume it to be valid. However, I have my doubts.
>
> > Anyway, I have not attempted to debunk anything that you've offered.
> > What I've done it attempt to undermine your apparently unshakable
> > certainty in AGW and the IPCC. If I've set you on the path of
> > critical thinking and academic skepticism, then I haven't wasted my
> > time.
>
> **I do not have an "unshakable certainty in AGW and the IPCC". I accept that
> the 95% certainty of AGW is a reasonable figure. What I find irrational is
> the fact that many people seem to be clinging to the 5% uncertainty and
> hoping that a very large number of very smart scientists are wrong.
>
> Fundamentally, the way I see it is like this:
>
> * If we spend a few Bucks today to mitigate CO2 emissions, we may be able to
> avert the 95% probability of disaster.
> * If we don't spend the money today, then it is highly probable (95%
> certainty) that the cost will escalate with each passing year, to a point
> where we will be unable to fund mitigation.
> * If the scientists are wrong and we spend a few Bucks now, then it's cost
> us some money.
> * If the scientists are right and we don't spend the money, our civilisation
> will not likely survive.
>
> Make no mistake: I did not say that humans will be wiped out. Many will
> survive. Anarchy is loking like a real probability.
>

Look at the REAL threats around you. Including the ones posed by the
backers of this fear campaign. That is far more real and far more
certain than some religious "pay us tithes (carbon tax) or the gods of
the sky will unleash fire (Global warming) on you"

> --
> Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 7:35 am
From: kreed

On Sep 30, 10:22 pm, Jeffrey Angus <grendel...@aim.com> wrote:
> On 9/30/2011 7:08 AM, kreed wrote:
>
> > Thats because it isnt a corporation, with real money, media and power
> > behind it. If it was, he would believe anything they told him:)
>
> Sounds like Scientology would be the perfect fit then.
>

LOL - if they did a presentation for Trev by someone in a lab coat
pretending to look intelligent, and could "prove" that he would be
damned for eternity if he didnt get fully involved, then he would be
sucked right on :)

> Jeff
>
> --
> "Everything from Crackers to Coffins"

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 9:37 am
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 07:24:52 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

>Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:24:35 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> * Clear, unequivocal evidence that the planet is warming at a faster
>>> rate at any time in the last 600,000 years.
>>
>> Ahem...
>> <http://junksciencearchive.com/MSU_Temps/All_Comp.png>
>
>**Er, 1978 ~ 2010 is not 600,000 years. Not even close. However, this graph
>may provide a little more information:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg
>
>Not quite 600,000 years, but considerably more than 30.

I don't have a huge amount of time to take apart the graphs. So, I
selected just the one above. The first thing I noticed is that there
are no vertical grid lines, making it difficult to determine whether a
CO2 peak caused warming, or whether it was the other way around. So,
dragging out GIMP photo editor, I added vertical grid lines. I also
reversed the graph so that time goes from left to right. Today is on
the right.

<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/Vostok_Petit_data_03.jpg>

Note the circled peaks. Note that the temperature peak precedes the
CO2 rise in all 3 visible peaks. I'm not quite sure what to do about
the most recent peak. If I get ambitious, I'll grab the raw data and
expand just that section. It kinda looks like temp rise precedes CO2
again, but I can't be sure on such a wide scale.

(skipping down....)

>Fundamentally, the way I see it is like this:
>
>* If we spend a few Bucks today to mitigate CO2 emissions, we may be able to
>avert the 95% probability of disaster.

According to the trend lines, we should now be heading into another
ice age. If true and we reduce CO2 emissions, my guess is that we'll
create our own disaster.

>* If we don't spend the money today, then it is highly probable (95%
>certainty) that the cost will escalate with each passing year, to a point
>where we will be unable to fund mitigation.

True. By limiting the shrinking list of acceptable solutions, only
the most expensive CO2 reduction schemes will be left. For example,
extensive expansion of nuclear power is becoming increasingly
expensive due primarily to government oversight.

>* If the scientists are wrong and we spend a few Bucks now, then it's cost
>us some money.

"Few" bucks? I can't think of any C02 reduction scheme that is cheap.
Switching to CFL and LED lighting might be cost effective because the
cost is spread over maybe 50 years. Same with hybrid vehicles.
However, large scale reductions in CO2 reduction, such as eliminating
coal generated electricity, has huge associated costs.

>* If the scientists are right and we don't spend the money, our civilisation
>will not likely survive.

Apocalyptic predictions of the demise of civilization have
traditionally accompanied such changes. I recall reading one from the
ancient Greeks. While the risks of inaction are high, the probability
of disaster is quite low. Like the predictions of a Y2K disaster, the
modern alarmists have their limitation.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschatology>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse>

>Make no mistake: I did not say that humans will be wiped out. Many will
>survive. Anarchy is loking like a real probability.

Well, since we're doing a disaster movie here, I suggest you do a back
of the envelope calculation. If we assume that the energy consumption
and greenhouse gas production per person remains constant at today's
western world levels, what would the population of the planet need to
be in order to produce a greenhouse gas stable environment? I think
you might be amused by the result.

Incidentally, I just bought an EcoSmart LED lamp for $10 at Home
Depot. 40 watt equivalent, 9 watts consumption, 429 lumens, 3000K, 46
year life. Works with my light dimmer. The color accuracy 85 is not
very good.
<http://www.homedepot.com/buy/lighting-fans/light-bulbs/ecosmart/led-a19-40-watt-equivalent-light-bulb-39632.html>
Prices seem to be getting down to reasonable. One nice feature is
that the plastic "bulb" and aluminum base look sufficiently strong to
survive being dropped, something that CFL bulbs can't do.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 4:26 am
From: "Keith D. Lee"

All:
If you have this TV for sale; then, please email me. I am interested in buying it from you here in San
Diego, CA.

Keith

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 11:56 am
From: Bob_Villa

On Sep 30, 6:26 am, "Keith D. Lee" <keithdlee2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> All:
> If you have this TV for sale; then, please email me. I am interested in buying it from you here in San
> Diego, CA.
>
> Keith

You need to check Craig's list in your area.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 4:55 am
From: Sylvia Else

On 30/09/2011 4:59 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
> "Sylvia Else is a IDIOT"
>
>>
>>> A bonus is there is now 20% to 30% more power available on a one or two
>>> channel basis.
>>
>> And if the customer uses that ability - how long will the unit last?
>
>
> ** All internal DC supply voltages are the same at idle as it was before.
>
> If all four channels are driven, their combined power is also to same as
> before.
>
> All channels share the same heatsink.
>
> So there is no issue.
>
> Idiot.

You said that there is "20% to 30% more power available on a one or two
channel basis"

So something's different.

Sylvia.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 30 2011 5:36 am
From: bv

QUESTIONS& ANSWERS ABOUT ISLAM

How does Islam elevate the status of women?

________________________________________
According to the Qur'an, men and women are equal before God; both
created for the sole purpose of worshipping god through faith and good
deeds.

"O humankind! Be conscious of your Lord Who created you from a single
soul, and out of it created its mate, and out of the two spread
countless men and women. Be conscious of your Lord through Whom you
demand your mutual rights and honor the wombs; God always watches over
you." (Qur'an 4:1)

Islam recognizes women as individuals with specific rights. Among
these are: the right to life, the right to learn; the right to earn,
own and dispose property; the right to choose a husband; the right, as
a wife, to her pre-marriage standard of living; the right to be
treated equally; and the right to inherit. Women, like men, are
rewarded by God for a righteously led life.

Muslim women dress in a way that is modest and dignified. The purpose
of clothing is not only to protect oneself from physical elements, but
also to protect oneself from immorality and pride. Some traditions of
dress, and more generally, the treatment of women in some Muslim
countries and societies, are often a reflection of culture. This is
very often inconsistent and even contrary to Islam teachings. Prophet
Muhammad said: "The most perfect in faith among you believers is he
who is best in manner and kindest to his wife."

Why is the family so important to Muslims?

The family is the foundation of Islamic society. The peace and
security offered by a stable family unit is greatly valued and seen as
essential for the spiritual growth of its members. It is quite common
in the Muslim community to find large, extended families living
together; providing comfort, security and support to one another.

Parents are greatly respected in the Islamic tradition. Mothers, in
particular are greatly honored. God says in the Qur'an: "And we have
enjoined upon man to be good to his parents. With difficulty upon
difficultly did his mother bear him, and wean him for two years. Show
gratitude to Me and to your parents; to Me is your final
goal!" (Qur'an 31:14)

Marrying and establishing a family is very strongly encouraged. "And
among His signs is that He created for you mates from among
yourselves; that you may find peace with them. And He put between you
love and compassion. Surely in this are signs for people who
reflect." (Qur'an 30:21)

A Muslim marriage is both a sacred act and a legal agreement, in which
either the groom or the bride is free to include legitimate
conditions. Marriage customs vary widely from country to country.

Prophet Muhammad is reported to have said: "When a servant of God
marries, he completes half his faith." Marriage is the institution
upon which families are based.

Does Islam give Women equal rights?

Yes, definitely. Islam teaches equality between women and men.
However, in some Muslim countries and societies a patriarchal culture
dominates, and women are denied of their God-given rights.

Nowhere does the Qur'an state that one gender is superior to another.
God makes it clear that the only criterion for superiority is piety
and righteousness…virtues only He can judge.

"O humankind! We created you from a male and female, and made you into
nations and tribes, so that you may come to know one another. Truly,
the most honored of you in God's sight is the greatest of you in
piety. God is All-Knowing, All-Aware." (Qur'an 49:13)

Islam recognizes women as individuals with specific rights. Among
these are: the right to life, the right to learn; the right to earn,
own and dispose property; the right to choose a husband; the right to
a marriage gift; the right to retain her maiden name; the right, as a
wife, to her pre-marriage standard of living; the right to be treated
equally; the right to seek divorce; the right to inherit; and the
right to a final will.

Women, like men, are rewarded for a righteously led life.

"…Whoever does good, whether male or female, and is a believer, will
enter the Garden (of Paradise)…" (Qur'an 40:39)

What does Islam say about wives and husbands?

________________________________________
"And among His signs is that He created for you mates from among
yourselves, that you may live in tranquility with them; and He has
brought between you love and mercy. Truly, in this are signs for those
who reflect." (Qur'an 30:21)

Marriage is based on mutual love and respect. The Islamic

IF YOU WISH TO KNOW MORE ABOUT ISLAM, WE PREFER TO VISIT THE FOLLOWING
WEBSITES:

http://www.islam-guide.com

http://www.chatislamonline.org/ar

http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran

http://www.islamhouse.com/s/9661

http://www.thisistruth.org

http://www.quran-m.com/firas/en1

http://kaheel7.com/eng

http://www.knowmuhammad.com

http://www.rasoulallah.net/v2/index.aspx?lang=e

http://imanway1.com/eng

http://www.todayislam.com

http://www.thekeytoislam.com
http://www.islamland.com

http://www.discoverislam.com

http://www.thetruereligion.org

http://www.beconvinced.com

http://islamtomorrow.com

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran

http://www.quranforall.org

http://www.prophetmuhammed.org

http://www.dar-us-salam.com

http://youtubeislam.com

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