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Today's topics:

* Hickock CRO-5000a - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/b6a1f1fdf9eeca5e?hl=en
* Direct drive cassette motor drive - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/eaf51540646fe4a7?hl=en
* Mystery apparatus. - 11 messages, 8 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/332e35425da184d2?hl=en
* OT: suspicious "official" software, part 2 - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/ef10877805bc1e51?hl=en
* Hello World! - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/628f263e3df2b65a?hl=en
* How do we put icons in two places on ipad home screens? - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/99ee296d77b656d1?hl=en

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TOPIC: Hickock CRO-5000a
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/b6a1f1fdf9eeca5e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 27 2014 6:23 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"



jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Laziness is a virtue.


Only to the shiftless.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.




== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 1:16 pm
From: jurb6006@gmail.com


Old guys told me about that. These were people who could DO something. They said when you get a guy who's energetic and stupid, you got problems. When you got a guy who is lazy and smart, then you get things done.

Many times I have figured out quicker ways to do something, especially in troubleshooting. Even moreso in the actual repairs. Of course I am not the only one and alot of my ideas were done before.

Things like this make fucking money, and that's what I did. I didn't waste my time on all the bullshit. I outperformed everyone in this fucking town and I got witnesses. All because I am lazy and smart. I do not do unnessecary bullshit.

The scope is obviouly not worth much. If it can be brought into usable condition in about a half an hour fine. That's provided it doesn't need anything more expensive than a dollar or two.

So I should hold up the show waiting for a response from someone who probably doesn't want to fuck around, just wants to sell the manual with information I want in it, and tell him that instead of buying his product he should just tell me what is in it.

Is that what you're telling me ?

You know what I want to know, did I fuck your olady or somethiing or are you like this to everyone ?

Yes, I did not and am not going to message that person and tell him to read the fucking manual THAT HE WANTS TO SELL to me. I would have to lose half a brain to be so obtuse to do shit like that.

I don't need your fucking kind of help. Just click elsewhere and save yourself the time.





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TOPIC: Direct drive cassette motor drive
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/eaf51540646fe4a7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 27 2014 10:37 pm
From: Charlie+


On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 09:00:17 +0000, N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote as
underneath :

>Capstan drive , motor and conventional belt, contrarotating different
>size spindles, 1.89 and 2.09 mm. But FF/REW and spool take up is a
>second, 2 wire motor, with no slip clutch, cog to cog to cog, reversible
>via jockey swing-arm assembly . The first drive cog is different to all
>I've ever seen with teeth about 3 times longer than usual, usual pitch.
>Long teeth for some give/reduced noise?
>There is a hall sensor under the (normal direction drive) take up spool,
>is that used not just to sense a stop/jam but to give a variable feed to
>the main motion motor. Even then it has to be more drive than exactly
>required , by some degree, so does design allow for the motor to be used
>as a sort of slip clutch, as a DC motor not precise stepper motor
>Yamaha rare heavy ghetto blaster AST C10, 1989, otherwise just (just -
>hah-hah, horrible topology puzzle to get there) needs the rubber bands
>changing to silicone rubber bands ( futile exercise replacing with
>contemporaneous neoprene bands and no known suppliers who state they
>stock newly manufactured flat bands)

NC - What are you on??!! C+





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TOPIC: Mystery apparatus.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/332e35425da184d2?hl=en
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 27 2014 10:46 pm
From: "David Farber"


A friend of mine passed along a couple of photos of something that looks
like some sort of jig, perhaps turntable related. He hasn't seen it or used
it in so long that he can't remember what it is. Any ideas?

http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-1.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-2.jpg

Thanks for your reply.
--
David Farber
Los Osos, CA






== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 12:05 am
From: N_Cook


On 28/02/2014 06:46, David Farber wrote:
> A friend of mine passed along a couple of photos of something that looks
> like some sort of jig, perhaps turntable related. He hasn't seen it or used
> it in so long that he can't remember what it is. Any ideas?
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-1.jpg
> http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-2.jpg
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>

A sliding cup missing from the rod part ? What weights , hung for test
purposes yardarm-like, on the rod part will bring the cylinder to
horizontal ?




== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 2:09 am
From: Adrian C


On 28/02/2014 06:46, David Farber wrote:
> A friend of mine passed along a couple of photos of something that looks
> like some sort of jig, perhaps turntable related. He hasn't seen it or used
> it in so long that he can't remember what it is. Any ideas?
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-1.jpg
> http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-2.jpg
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>

It's a monitor audio stylift.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM-0-FiuqRU

--
Adrian C







== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 7:30 am
From: dave


On 02/28/2014 02:09 AM, Adrian C wrote:
> On 28/02/2014 06:46, David Farber wrote:
>> A friend of mine passed along a couple of photos of something that looks
>> like some sort of jig, perhaps turntable related. He hasn't seen it or
>> used
>> it in so long that he can't remember what it is. Any ideas?
>>
>> http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-1.jpg
>>
>> http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-2.jpg
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your reply.
>>
>
> It's a monitor audio stylift.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM-0-FiuqRU
>

Jeez, more unicorns.




== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 7:36 am
From: John Robertson


On 02/28/2014 2:09 AM, Adrian C wrote:
> On 28/02/2014 06:46, David Farber wrote:
>> A friend of mine passed along a couple of photos of something that looks
>> like some sort of jig, perhaps turntable related. He hasn't seen it or
>> used
>> it in so long that he can't remember what it is. Any ideas?
>>
>> http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-1.jpg
>>
>> http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-2.jpg
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your reply.
>>
>
> It's a monitor audio stylift.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM-0-FiuqRU
>

Ah, this gizmo:

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=472866

John :-#)#

--
(Please post followups or tech inquiries to the newsgroup)
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(604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
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"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."




== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 8:14 am
From: dave


On 02/28/2014 07:36 AM, John Robertson wrote:
> On 02/28/2014 2:09 AM, Adrian C wrote:
>> On 28/02/2014 06:46, David Farber wrote:
>>> A friend of mine passed along a couple of photos of something that looks
>>> like some sort of jig, perhaps turntable related. He hasn't seen it or
>>> used
>>> it in so long that he can't remember what it is. Any ideas?
>>>
>>> http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-1.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-2.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your reply.
>>>
>>
>> It's a monitor audio stylift.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM-0-FiuqRU
>>
>
> Ah, this gizmo:
>
> http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=472866
>
> John :-#)#
>

I feel sorry for people who can't work a tone arm without mechanical
help. Clue, use your "pinkie" finger as a miniature monopole (for
stability). Pivot your other fingers. Lowish light beyond the arm is
very helpful for finding the quiet parts on the platter and placing the
stylus. I never had the patience for damped cuing levers. Not bragging,
just sharing.




== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 11:34 am
From: dplatt@coop.radagast.org (David Platt)


> A friend of mine passed along a couple of photos of something that looks
> like some sort of jig, perhaps turntable related. He hasn't seen it or used
> it in so long that he can't remember what it is. Any ideas?
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-1.jpg
> http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-2.jpg

Ummph. This does ring a bell... in fact I think I had one much like
it many decades ago, as part of an AR turntable setup.

If I'm right, it's an automatic tonearm raiser accessory, for use with
manual turntable/tonearm systems such as the AR XA which had none
built-in. It's designed to lift the tonearm off of the record once
the whole side of the record has been played and the stylus enters the
lead-out groove.

You place the base of it on the turntable plinth, between the tonearm
pivot and the edge of the platter. You position it so that the
tonearm will contact it only when the stylus is in the leadout
groove, and set the height adjustment so that the point of contact
with be above the pivot in the center of the weighted rod.

Before playing a side of the album, you "flip" it into the "armed"
position... in photo 2, you would rotate the weighted arm clockwise by
just over 1/2 turn. The weighted section will be just past the
upright position, stopped from falling down (further clockwise) when
the long rod contacts the adjustment screw at the bottom.

When the tonearm finishes playing the LP, it will move into the
leadout groove, and the tonearm shaft will contact the (delicately
balanced) weighted section and gently push it back counter-clockwise
past vertical. The weighted section then continues to drop, the rod
rotates counterclockwise up under the tonearm shaft, and lifts the
tonearm off of the record.

Yeah, it's a klugy idea... but if I remember properly (it's been 40
years) it does actually work if properly set up and aligned.

Now, I could be wrong... this could be part of an aftermarket
"anti-skate" system for the turntable arm... but since I don't see a
hole in the end of the long rod into which a thread would fit (to go
over to the back of the turntable counterweight) I tend to think not.







== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 11:58 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"


David Platt's explanation is correct. I remember the device. I think our store
sold it.





== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 2:26 pm
From: Michael Black


On Fri, 28 Feb 2014, David Platt wrote:

>> A friend of mine passed along a couple of photos of something that looks
>> like some sort of jig, perhaps turntable related. He hasn't seen it or used
>> it in so long that he can't remember what it is. Any ideas?
>>
>> http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-1.jpg
>> http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-2.jpg
>
> Ummph. This does ring a bell... in fact I think I had one much like
> it many decades ago, as part of an AR turntable setup.
>
> If I'm right, it's an automatic tonearm raiser accessory, for use with
> manual turntable/tonearm systems such as the AR XA which had none
> built-in. It's designed to lift the tonearm off of the record once
> the whole side of the record has been played and the stylus enters the
> lead-out groove.
>
My Lenco L-133 turntable bought towards the end of 1978 had that function
built in. I had to manually place the arm and then move the lever to
lower the arm, but when the record ended, the arm automatically rose, and
the motor turned off. I always thought it was a great feature, though I
had at least one record where it didn't work, the record just kept going
around in circles with the needle in the groove.

Michael




== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 3:10 pm
From: dave


On 02/28/2014 02:26 PM, Michael Black wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2014, David Platt wrote:
>
>>> A friend of mine passed along a couple of photos of something that looks
>>> like some sort of jig, perhaps turntable related. He hasn't seen it
>>> or used
>>> it in so long that he can't remember what it is. Any ideas?
>>>
>>> http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-1.jpg
>>>
>>> http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-2.jpg
>>>
>>
>> Ummph. This does ring a bell... in fact I think I had one much like
>> it many decades ago, as part of an AR turntable setup.
>>
>> If I'm right, it's an automatic tonearm raiser accessory, for use with
>> manual turntable/tonearm systems such as the AR XA which had none
>> built-in. It's designed to lift the tonearm off of the record once
>> the whole side of the record has been played and the stylus enters the
>> lead-out groove.
>>
> My Lenco L-133 turntable bought towards the end of 1978 had that
> function built in. I had to manually place the arm and then move the
> lever to lower the arm, but when the record ended, the arm automatically
> rose, and the motor turned off. I always thought it was a great
> feature, though I had at least one record where it didn't work, the
> record just kept going around in circles with the needle in the groove.
>
> Michael

You can get the AR-XA turntable to run backwards by simply spinning it
backwards while turning on the power. That's the turntable I honed my
tonearm lifting finesse on, vs the Rek-o-kuts and Grays of early '60s
combo operation (these tracked at 4 plus grams so they had little
inclination to fly away if you misjudged your grab.)






== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 4:04 pm
From: "David Farber"


John Robertson wrote:
> On 02/28/2014 2:09 AM, Adrian C wrote:
>> On 28/02/2014 06:46, David Farber wrote:
>>> A friend of mine passed along a couple of photos of something that
>>> looks like some sort of jig, perhaps turntable related. He hasn't
>>> seen it or used
>>> it in so long that he can't remember what it is. Any ideas?
>>>
>>> http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-1.jpg
>>>
>>> http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixiter/images/Electronics/Mystery-device-2.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your reply.
>>>
>>
>> It's a monitor audio stylift.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM-0-FiuqRU
>>
>
> Ah, this gizmo:
>
> http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=472866
>
> John :-#)#

Hi everyone,

Thanks for all the terrific answers and links!

--
David Farber
Los Osos, CA







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TOPIC: OT: suspicious "official" software, part 2
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/ef10877805bc1e51?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 10:14 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"


I'm looking for specific answers, not trying to start a general discussion.

I've recently received update information from HP (about video drivers for my
4530s notebook), and Intel (via Microsoft), about video drivers for my ASUS
mobo. The former are new drivers for the 3000-series graphics system in the
CPU and the discrete AMD graphics system. The latter is a new driver for the
CPU's 4000-series graphics system.

The odds are pretty good these are safe, and won't leave me with unbootable
bricks. But I've had problems with "official" software over the years, one of
them recently.

Does anyone have experience updating their systems with these or related
drivers?

Thanks in advance.

"We already know the answers -- we just haven't asked the right questions."
-- Edwin Land





== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 10:19 am
From: N_Cook


On 28/02/2014 18:14, William Sommerwerck wrote:
> I'm looking for specific answers, not trying to start a general discussion.
>
> I've recently received update information from HP (about video drivers
> for my 4530s notebook), and Intel (via Microsoft), about video drivers
> for my ASUS mobo. The former are new drivers for the 3000-series
> graphics system in the CPU and the discrete AMD graphics system. The
> latter is a new driver for the CPU's 4000-series graphics system.
>
> The odds are pretty good these are safe, and won't leave me with
> unbootable bricks. But I've had problems with "official" software over
> the years, one of them recently.
>
> Does anyone have experience updating their systems with these or related
> drivers?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> "We already know the answers -- we just haven't asked the right questions."
> -- Edwin Land


If it ain't broke, don't poke




== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 10:36 am
From: dave


On 02/28/2014 10:14 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
> I'm looking for specific answers, not trying to start a general discussion.
>
> I've recently received update information from HP (about video drivers
> for my 4530s notebook), and Intel (via Microsoft), about video drivers
> for my ASUS mobo. The former are new drivers for the 3000-series
> graphics system in the CPU and the discrete AMD graphics system. The
> latter is a new driver for the CPU's 4000-series graphics system.
>
> The odds are pretty good these are safe, and won't leave me with
> unbootable bricks. But I've had problems with "official" software over
> the years, one of them recently.
>
> Does anyone have experience updating their systems with these or related
> drivers?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> "We already know the answers -- we just haven't asked the right questions."
> -- Edwin Land

I'd find a more active MsgBd than this one. I never install "updates"
until there's been enough time for bad ones to get noticed. Just about
anything has a bulletin board/forum these days. Especially ASUS and
other relatively hi-end and popular stuff. The ownership loves to talk
about the goodies.





== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 11:12 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"


"N_Cook" wrote in message news:leqjv4$91i$1@dont-email.me...

> If it ain't broke, don't poke.

Good advice. But in the case of the 4530s, it is "broke". Switching between
integral and discrete graphics has never worked properly, and many, many
owners have complained about it.






== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 11:13 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"


"dave" wrote in message
news:2pmdnZJ8cY6sSo3OnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@earthlink.com...

> I'd find a more active MsgBd than this one.

Good suggestion. Thanks.







== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 2:55 pm
From: Adrian C


On 28/02/2014 18:14, William Sommerwerck wrote:
> I'm looking for specific answers, not trying to start a general discussion.
>
> I've recently received update information from HP (about video drivers
> for my 4530s notebook), and Intel (via Microsoft), about video drivers
> for my ASUS mobo. The former are new drivers for the 3000-series
> graphics system in the CPU and the discrete AMD graphics system. The
> latter is a new driver for the CPU's 4000-series graphics system.
>
> The odds are pretty good these are safe, and won't leave me with
> unbootable bricks. But I've had problems with "official" software over
> the years, one of them recently.
>
> Does anyone have experience updating their systems with these or related
> drivers?

If it's a newish laptop, could be worth doing. However, if the machine
been in the market sometime the updates could be related to something
minor. Maybe something related to bad game compatability. There should
be a document within the update that you can read to determine if any
fixed issues are relevant. The trouble is that some auto update
mechanisms (especiallly from MS) don't allow these documents to be read
prior to making the update.

It is possible to make yourself a 'system restore' point, or
alternatively make a restorable image of the PC OS, or a good backup of
your important data before doing so. HP don't have the best record of
getting drivers right first time - I suspect many come straight from the
device manufacturers with minimal HP quality control.

Failing system restore, you can boot up in safe mode and remove duff
drivers without much grief.

If you want much less grief, skill up on linux and ditch windows. Being
unecessarily overengineered and complicated is not clever, given the
basic tasks most people use their technology for.

--
Adrian C







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TOPIC: Hello World!
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/628f263e3df2b65a?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 10:48 am
From: Keshet Israel


Namaste & Shalom! Anyone out there? -<><




== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 28 2014 11:19 pm
From: John Robertson


On 02/28/2014 10:48 AM, Keshet Israel wrote:
> Namaste & Shalom! Anyone out there? -<><
>

Not so'es you'd notice! Just us old timers who can't give up on Usenet...

John :-#)#

--
(Please post followups or tech inquiries to the newsgroup)
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(604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
www.flippers.com
"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."




== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 1 2014 4:47 am
From: amdx


On 3/1/2014 1:19 AM, John Robertson wrote:
> On 02/28/2014 10:48 AM, Keshet Israel wrote:
>> Namaste & Shalom! Anyone out there? -<><
>>
>
> Not so'es you'd notice! Just us old timers who can't give up on Usenet...
>
> John :-#)#
>

It's sad that many providers are dropping Usenet or as I call them
Newsgroups.
I spend as much or more of my computer time on Newsgroups as I do on
other computer activities. There are a lot of useful forums out there
also. Yahoo groups can be good but I find registering with each Yahoo
group a pain. I find Yahoo seems to have difficulty with passwords.
Mikek




== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 1 2014 7:48 am
From: John Robertson


On 03/01/2014 4:47 AM, amdx wrote:
> On 3/1/2014 1:19 AM, John Robertson wrote:
>> On 02/28/2014 10:48 AM, Keshet Israel wrote:
>>> Namaste & Shalom! Anyone out there? -<><
>>>
>>
>> Not so'es you'd notice! Just us old timers who can't give up on Usenet...
>>
>> John :-#)#
>>
>
> It's sad that many providers are dropping Usenet or as I call them
> Newsgroups.
> I spend as much or more of my computer time on Newsgroups as I do on
> other computer activities. There are a lot of useful forums out there
> also. Yahoo groups can be good but I find registering with each Yahoo
> group a pain. I find Yahoo seems to have difficulty with passwords.
> Mikek

I belong to a couple of Yahoo groups and my browser (Firefox) keeps the
password stored for when I open the page. Check your cookie settings and
if needed, allow Yahoo.com to be able to plant them...

John :-#)#

--
(Please post followups or tech inquiries to the newsgroup)
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(604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
www.flippers.com
"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."




== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 1 2014 10:09 am
From: jurb6006@gmail.com


>"Not so'es you'd notice! Just us old timers who can't give up on Usenet... "

Actually there are alot of people using it for binaries, downloading new movies and shit. But really, I think whether you do that or not, we all enjoy the lack of notariety. I get no spam pout of this, in fact never have.

I like not being a "market".

And people can whine all they want "I can't post pictures (of the growth on my ass or my ugly fucking grandkid) so what's the point ?".

That IS the point.

You want to inundadte people with shit like that, of course there is facebook and a plethora of blogs all over the place that welcome that inane shit all day long. Stupid shit asbout what you had for dinner and if your olady farted.

Not Usenet. These people will tear you up for anything like that. OPf course fukum, but that's besides the point.





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TOPIC: How do we put icons in two places on ipad home screens?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/99ee296d77b656d1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 1 2014 10:39 am
From: Liam O'Connor


On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 23:34:48 -0500, nospam wrote:

> how many of those could you reliably establish a connection and then do
> something with it?
>
> merely showing up in a list doesn't mean much if it's not usable.

This is a good and valid point.

I had also spoken (complained) to two people about this,
one of whom is actually my ISP, who said that he gets
frustrated when a customer can't connect to his wall and
ceiling mounted access points that he installs in the larger houses.

I trust his experienced judgement when he said he called them
iCrap. It was also his view that the iPad/iPhone equipment had
lousy radios (he called them "radios").

However, it would be nice to find a study that shows what
the true decibels of gain are for the iPad radio/antenna
combination, transmit power, and receive sensitivity.

Does Apple publish those numbers?




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