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Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net>: Dec 02 05:43PM > <http://www.dansdata.com/goop.htm>   > Just about any reputable brand of thermal transfer grease sold in bulk > for general eectronics use will do fine if properly applied.   I want to thank everybody for their answers to my question. It looks like Dan put a lot of effort into creating the above web page, which compares thermal compounds. My takeaway from both that page and this discussion is that there is little measurable difference between commercial grade compounds.   Dan mentions Cooler Master on his page. Cooler Master offers a 200G tub of compound under the SKU of RG-ICFN-200G-B1. It seems to meet the needs of my business. It apparently comes with a credit card applicator to use instead of a syringe.   FWIW, all of the hundreds (thousands?) of motherboards and coolers that I've worked on over the years (decades) always used grey compound. Not one of them ever used zinc oxide.   There's the right way, the wrong way, and the Intel way of doing things. Doing it the Intel way works for me. Intel coolers come with a square of grey compound pre-applied. Intel warranty exchanges come with a syringe of grey compound when applicable.   Delta once had me swap out a few Dell motherboards at the local airport. The new motherboards each came with a syringe of grey compound. They also came with a pad coated with a chemical to remove the old compound in a single step process. Whatever was in that pad was corrosive enough to immediately start burning my bare skin.   Such are the hazards of service work. I always keep lots of vinyl, latex, nitrile gloves around these days. Never again will any chemical touch my bare skin.   In lieu of hazardous-to-your-health pads I use ArctiClean in my business. ArcticClean uses a two step process. In the first step a mild corrosive is applied. It smells of oranges and is probably acetic acid. In the second step a neutralizing agent is applied to stop the acidic reaction.   --   ( \_/ ) (='-'=) Don Kuenz (")_(")

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Dec 02 12:50PM -0800 On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 17:43:44 +0000 (UTC), Don Kuenz   >FWIW, all of the hundreds (thousands?) of motherboards and coolers that >I've worked on over the years (decades) always used grey compound. Not >one of them ever used zinc oxide.   <http://www.buildcomputers.net/cpu-thermal-paste.html> The gray goo is some kind of metal (aluminum or silver) to provide the thermal conductivity. The white stuff is a ceramic (aluminum oxide or zinc oxide). Note the thermal conductivities: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_thermal_conductivities> W/m*K Metallic Silver 406 - 430 Metallic Aluminum 205 - 250 Aluminum Oxide 26 - 40 Zinc Oxide 21 The huge differences don't translate into spectacular differences in final CPU temperature. That's because the thin layer of thermal compound is tiny part of the thermal circuit. You could use butter instead, and it will still sorta work. The thermal resistances are in the range of 0.01 to 0.10 C/W. It's like building a 120VAC resistance wall heater and then asking how much will the temperature drop if I insert a very small value resistor in series. It's barely noticeable.   80-way Thermal Interface Material Performance Test (14 pages) <http://archive.benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=150&Itemid=62>   Gotta run, I'm late. Also think about packing density, heat sink warping, ductility, galling, viscosity, and re-usability.   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net>: Dec 03 03:42AM > <http://archive.benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=150&Itemid=62>   > Gotta run, I'm late. Also think about packing density, heat sink > warping, ductility, galling, viscosity, and re-usability.   Thank you Jeff for making me rethink my choice. Upon reflection it now seems that Tgrease 2500 ( http://tinyurl.com/puj96hs ) best fits my needs. It's silicon free and white (zinc?) with a thermal conductivity of 3.8 W/mK. It comes in commercial sizes from 10cc to 10kg.   Intel may special order its grey compound directly from 3M or Dow. It wouldn't be the first Intel part that's not available through retail channels.   There's a controversy surrounding Arctic Silver 5's thermal conductivity. The company claims 8.7 W/mK but another lab measured it at 0.94 W/mK. So it seems that Tgrease works better than the storied Arctic Silver 5.   --   ( \_/ ) (='-'=) Don Kuenz (")_(")

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Dec 02 08:56PM -0800 On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 03:42:43 +0000 (UTC), Don Kuenz   >> Gotta run, I'm late. Also think about packing density, heat sink >> warping, ductility, galling, viscosity, and re-usability.   I blew the clutch on my car. Wiped most of the day arranging for a clutch transplant. It's now 8:30PM and I'm in the office trying to catch up with promised work.   >seems that Tgrease 2500 ( http://tinyurl.com/puj96hs ) best fits my >needs. It's silicon free and white (zinc?) with a thermal conductivity >of 3.8 W/mK. It comes in commercial sizes from 10cc to 10kg.   What I basically said was that it really doesn't matter. Like real resistors, the thermal resistances between a heat source and the ambient air add to yield the total thermal resistance between the CPU die and the ambient air. If you want real numbers, I can supply them. Suffice to say that the thermal resistance of the other components of the puzzle are much larger than the thermal resistance of the thermal grease. Off the top of my head, I think the typical P4 CPU is about 0.5C/W and the common heat sink (without the fan) about 2C/W. In between is the thermal goo, with optimistically about 0.05 C/W. Since they all add up together, the contribution of the 0.05 C/W is trivial. I could cut it to maybe 0.005 C/W by using diamond dust, and the total thermal resistance will have hardly changed.   So, why all the fuss about the thermal grease? Because if there are any voids, air gaps, misalignment, warp, or gaps between the CPU and the heat sink, the thermal resistance goes from 0.05 C/W to something 10 or 100 times as large. Then it becomes really significant.   >Intel may special order its grey compound directly from 3M or Dow. It >wouldn't be the first Intel part that's not available through retail >channels.   Magic sauce. My guess is that it's more important for it to be environmentally correct, worker safe, and of course, cheap.   >The company claims 8.7 W/mK but another lab measured it at >0.94 W/mK. So it seems that Tgrease works better than the storied Arctic >Silver 5.   Dunno. It's tricky to measure. The solvent in the Arctic Silver goo does evaporate with time, which will certainly chance the thermal conductivity.   More insanity: <http://www.overclock.net/t/1369042/poll-how-many-of-you-ever-used-toothpaste-as-thermal-paste>   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Dec 02 09:00PM -0800 On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 05:53:37 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"   >Mica also has the advantage of being non-conductive.   It's not very flat and needs thermal goo on BOTH sides of the insulator.   >You would never want to use conductive thermal grease //by itself// when >attaching a device directly to a metal heat sink. At least, I don't think so.   I don't see why not. I commonly mount TO220 devices directly to a heat sink with only a little thermal goo in between. The thermal goo isn't going to act as a gap filler, but does help deal with uneven and rough surfaces.   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

John-Del <ohger1s@aol.com>: Dec 03 04:48AM -0800 On Wednesday, December 3, 2014 12:00:21 AM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote: . > heat sink with only a little thermal goo in between. The thermal goo > isn't going to act as a gap filler, but does help deal with uneven and > rough surfaces.     Probably referring to metal cased semis where the metal case is electrically connected to the device and needs an electrical barrier (like mica and plastic washers) to isolate it electrically. Years ago it was more common to find metal backed T0-220s or T0-3s that needed mica or silicon rubber. Today most semis are encapsulated and only need thermal goo to mount.

Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>: Dec 03 11:47AM -0500

Ken <Ken@invalid.com>: Dec 02 12:31PM -0600 I have a HP Touchsmart 300-1020 computer that has no video and no audible error code. The PS seems to be providing proper power for much of the MB, its fans, its DVD, and HD. It has a APP78-CF mother board that uses an AMD Athlon II x2 4200+ processor in an AM3 socket. I first searched for some documentation on the processor since there is no heat being generated by it, and that would mean it was not running. But it is not available as far as I could find. (Years ago such info was easily found on smaller processors.) My purpose was to determine where the clock pulse was and to determine if the processor voltages were present. I probed the MB and found the core voltages around the periphery of the socket, so I think the processor is getting the proper voltages. There is a clock generator chip on the MB (SLG8LP625T) and a search for the pinouts also came up empty. I did determine it needed 3.3 volts however, and it appears to have it. Probing the clock generator chip with my scope leads me to believe that the chip is not running, as there are no active leads on it.   So my question is: Does the clock generator chip free run, or is it enabled by some lead? Years ago it was free running on older MBs. I do not intend to try to replace the chip, but I would like to know if it has what is needed before I give up on the MB.

"Maynard A. Philbrook Jr." <jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net>: Dec 02 04:46PM -0500 In article <m5l0il$sa2$1@dont-email.me>, Ken@invalid.com says... > enabled by some lead? Years ago it was free running on older MBs. I do > not intend to try to replace the chip, but I would like to know if it > has what is needed before I give up on the MB.   Check your power switch and circuit ?   Jamie

Ken <Ken@invalid.com>: Dec 02 08:15PM -0600 Maynard A. Philbrook Jr. wrote: >> has what is needed before I give up on the MB.   > Check your power switch and circuit ?   > Jamie   If you mean does the power switch turn on power? The answer is Yes. If you mean something else, please elaborate. I can turn on and turn off power, the processor does not seem to be running.

jurb6006@gmail.com: Dec 02 07:07PM -0800 There is like a method to PC TShooting.   Pull all the cards except video. If it has onborard video pull any video card and hook monitor to built in video. try another power supply.   IF IT DOES NOT BEEP :   Remove all cards including video. Remove all drives, even the USB card reader. Remove ALL RAM. Try another power supply.   One of those three actions should make the mobo beep. If not, the mobo itself as well as the processor are in question and at that point if it isn't too old you got so many options.   Make a new build, reregister the same OS, use the old RAM and drives, case all that shit.   Find a way to determine for sure if it is the processor, mobo or both. If not both, replace the bad one and you are all set. It CAN be both. I have seen where a processor shorted out and burned its socket, which is not replacable. So that is that.   But generally it is one or the other. usually there is only one main problem with anything. It may have caused more, but...   NOW, I forgot to mention something, when you pull all the cards and shit, remove the CMOS battery after that. Then try it again. See, WHEN IT BEEPS is what tells us what is wrong.   AND, in case you caught a BIOS virus (been there done that) when you see "CMOS CHECKSUM FAILURRE, DEFAULTS LOADED" is usually when you got it really fixed. Been there a few times. (when will I ever learn just to say NO when someone wants to touch my PC ?)   That's pretty much the scoop. Much more requires equipment, training, all kinds of shit.   And BTW to the people who say "CHECK THE POWER SUPPLY VOLTAGES CHECK THE POWER SUPPLY VOLTAGES !" I say this, "Just change the fucking power supply". Now if that is not possible at the moment, DO look up the pinout fo the ATX PS and check the voltages. but I like to knoiw quicker, just plug a new one in and let it hang off the side or whatever. You get a display, beeps, whatever, then you know.   Bout it for now. Get thorugh that and keep us "posted"...

Ken <Ken@invalid.com>: Dec 03 06:23AM -0600 > quicker, just plug a new one in and let it hang off the side or > whatever. You get a display, beeps, whatever, then you know.   > Bout it for now. Get thorugh that and keep us "posted"...   I appreciate your suggestions, but this MB has everything built in and things like the video card cannot be removed. I agree that most often the problem is one item, and that is why I was trying to determine if the clock generator should be free running. I have cleared CMOS and some of the other suggestions you made along with removing the MB from the unit and inspecting for damaged components. Everything points to the processor chip not running even though it has the voltages it requires. I tried another processor and again there was no activity by it.   My hope was that someone would have some insight to the clock generator chip, as that would tell me if the problem was it or before it. Thanks for your suggestions.

chuck <chuck@deja.net>: Dec 03 09:57AM -0600 >That's pretty much the scoop. Much more requires equipment, training, all kinds of shit.   >And BTW to the people who say "CHECK THE POWER SUPPLY VOLTAGES CHECK THE POWER SUPPLY VOLTAGES !" I say this, "Just change the fucking power supply". Now if that is not possible at the moment, DO look up the pinout fo the ATX PS and check the voltages. but I like to knoiw quicker, just plug a new one in and let it hang off the side or whatever. You get a display, beeps, whatever, then you know.   >Bout it for now. Get thorugh that and keep us "posted"...     You are spot on about just changing the power supply instead of testing voltages. Voltages will check fine on some Dell computer power supplies but the computer won't boot. The problem is the power supply. My guess is that the supply fails when current draw increases on start up.

"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com>: Dec 03 01:41AM "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message news:m5kg3k$nbo$1@dont-email.me... > in, on the (likely faulty) assumption they would supply a low-impedance > path for errant voltages?   > Of course not! I shouldn't have written that! I'm making a fool of myself!   Personally, I never leave batteries in anything that I'm working on with a soldering iron. Just employ normal good workshop practice of having a resistively grounded wrist strap to a conductive bench mat. In my experience, the chances of damaging CMOS inputs these days is very small, given that they pretty much universally have protection diodes fabbed into the chip, and usually some external R, positioned close to the chip.   Arfa

"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com>: Dec 03 01:55AM "John-Del" <ohger1s@aol.com> wrote in message news:e072f4cf-9d6d-4edb-8b94-1ee6a3e1eabb@googlegroups.com... > But Mr. S is clearly no newbie. If he says it's not jammed, it's a fairly > safe assumption that the tactile feedback of his play button is the same > as the rest of the buttons on the machine.   In servicing, it's a rule to never assume anything. It depends a lot on the exact type of switch and how the outer 'user' button is implemented. Some of the buttons have very little 'snap-action' feel to them, and the majority of the return force on the user button comes from its plastic flexible hinge, rather than from the switch itself. In those cases, it is perfectly possible for the switch to collapse, but for the button not to feel much, if any, different from normal or from any of the others. With some other types, the travel of the switch plunger is so small on a correctly operating one, that a collapsed one feels little different. Also, bear in mind that these switches do not normally collapse spontaneously. Instead, they wear, until one day, the last little bit of movement expires, and the switch goes short. The switch will then feel absolutely no different today when it no longer works, than it did yesterday when it did work ...   Yes, you are right that William is "no newbie", but by the same token, he is not a 'current' engineer, and may not be able to feel the subtle differences that we are talking here, without understanding the way his unit is put together, and the failure mechanisms involved in these switches.   Arfa

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net>: Dec 03 07:10AM -0800 "Arfa Daily" wrote in message news:c4ufw.97892$MG6.5033@fx33.am4...   > the subtle differences that we are talking here, without understanding > the way his unit is put together, and the failure mechanisms involved > in these switches.   Which you have explained very well.   PS: I am very capable of feeling subtle differences -- especially in a product I have used many times.

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net>: Dec 03 07:13AM -0800 > As soon as I find the service manual (which I'll be looking > for this morning), I'll let you guys know. (I'm sure you're > waiting with bated breath.)   Found it, and have "released" the lid. Unfortunately, the bottom of the unit gets in the way of it swinging back, so //that's// going to have to come off.   Nothing is ever simple. I just keep telling myself "It's kaput, so what difference does it make?"

effoff@mailinator.com: Dec 02 02:52PM -0800 > http://judge-james-j-lombardi.wasarrested.com/hacker > http://judge-james-j-lombardi.wasarrested.com/phantom-shitter > http://judge-james-j-lombardi.mediafetcher.com/news/top_stories/worldrecord   Mark W. Decker has been BLOWING both Judge James J. Lombardi and Judge Arthur M. Monty Ahalt who, in return, have been porking Decker's three daughters named Libby, Audrey & Hannah Decker!   GUILTY FEDERAL BRIBER Mark W. Decker http://www.oalj.dol.gov/PUBLIC/ARB/DECISIONS/ARB_DECISIONS/SOX/06_104.SOXP.PDF   http://tinyurl.com/markwdecker - his BIGGEST LIE yet!   http://tinyurl.com/libbydecker http://tinyurl.com/audreydecker http://tinyurl.com/hannahdecker     Belfort Instrument Company 727 South Wolfe Street - hide quoted text - Baltimore, MD 21031   Ebosswatch.com rating with Belfort Instrument Company http://www.ebosswatch.com/Reviews/Mark-W.-Decker/1412568293 Rated by his peers as "Unfavorable" in 7 different job categories   And now Belfort Instrument Company (dba DigiWx AWOS, Gamma Scientific, UDT Instruments, Advanced Retro, RoadVista, KR Acquisition Corporation) finds itself in United States Bankruptcy Court as evidenced by: http://www.amrcaseinfo.com/pdflib/1631_15463.pdf   Belfort Instrument Company financials are so BAD that CEO Bruce R. Robinson has his primary residence in a trust as noted at: http://www.city-data.com/bernalillo-county/P/Paa-Ko-Drive-2.html   You might ask "Why would someone put their home in a Trust?" at: http://belfort-instrument-company.pissedconsumer.com/belfort-instrument   "Belfort's owners have "valuables" (like their homes) held in a trust to prevent creditors (in this case, the bank that lent Belfort Instrument Company all that money) from seizing their personal home(s) when Belfort can't pay back the business loans. In the case of Belfort Instrument Company, this was a smart move (some might consider this a sneaky move also) because I pulled Belfort's credit reports from the 3 main credit bureaus and Belfort is currently delinquent and "past due" with several creditors by more than 90 days and in some cases 120 days. This means the money isn't coming in fast enough from sales to pay for the company's debts. I even found notes that some of Belfort's creditors are on a "cash only basis" meaning Belfort needs to cough up money for goods and services (raw materials) before another company will even sell them those goods and services. This is NOT a pretty picture. This has been going on for years. If you would be inclined to buy finished product from Belfort, you may find a company which doesn't stand behind that product because they went out of business. Info from Dun & Bradstreet indicates turnover in this very small privately-held company at the managerial and executive level so people's heads are probably rolling there and it is likely only a matter of time before this business is no more!   So who was driving these companies into the hole...... because there is a common theme here...... his name is Mark W. Decker...... and he lives at: 289 Long Point Road, Crownsville, MD 21032-1853. Call for a personal appointment if you'd like to see how he can drive your organization off a cliff!   Wanker Mark W. Decker Shatters World Masturbation Record http://mark.w.decker.mediafetcher.com/news/top_stories/worldrecord.php   ATTENTION: Mark Wilson Decker is apparently posing as a photographer based upon his Workface, LinkedIn, Posterous, Twitter About.me, BigSight, Ziki, tBlog and Wordpress profiles --- just goes to show you how sneaky AND creepy he really is! He's an unemployed fired POS!   WHAT WOULD MARK W. DECKER BE TRYING TO HIDE???   Well, have a LOOK at this: Two federal cases that specifically mention Mark W. Decker: U.S. Department of Labor Case # 2006-SOX-57 U.S. Department of Labor Case # 2006-SOX-81   According to: http://www.mombu.com/aviation/civil-aviation/t-faa-dol-osha-fdic-doj- investigating-belfort-instrument-digiwx-awos-10453477.html   Mark Wilson Decker was investigated for:   "FAA is investigating Belfort Instrument President Mark W. Decker and Digiwx AWOS Tech M. Tylor Burton for bribing federal FAA officials." "DOL is investigating Belfort Instrument President Mark W. Decker for retaliating after suing a former employee who ratted Decker Pecker out under a federal whistleblower protection program." Did Bruce R. Robinson, Nicholas C. Kaufman, Debra S. Alascio Lange, Ralph F. Petragnani and M. Tylor Burton aid in this conspiracy?   And there is MORE: All the info contained herein has been published in some form since at least 2005. Mark Wilson Decker gave up any legal right (he may now be asserting) a long time ago that this info is injurious to him or his family since the statute of limitations to bring a libel lawsuit is 1 year in each of the 50 U.S. states.   <brob...@utilipoint.com> wrote:   Three little w h o r e s, Three little w h o r e s, See how they s u c k, See how they f u c k, Their daddy feels them up all day, Their daddy probes their c u n t s all day, Their days pimps them out all nite, They're three D e c k e r w h o r e s!   Somebody is censoring this stuff; the truth must hurt!   Onze afternoon, i wasz catchin a snooze in my backyard on a sunny day. Much to my surprize, i lifted my hat and found my neighborz Jenn Racey unzipping my pants. Shez gestured to me with herz indexes finger over herz slender lips to be quiet. I say figures okay, she then unzipped my pants and reached in and tuggzed on my big black mamba! Immediatelzly, my blacks a mamba becomes engorged with hot burstz of human excitementz. With a big tugz with both of herz handz, Jennifer Lynn Racey pluckz me black mamba to a full erctionz! Shez then opened herz mothz and slipsz it over my full manhoodz. She gagz and coughz a bit but begins herz suckin action upz and downz! She repeatedlyz goez faster and faster untilz i feelz my venemouz black mamba release a massive explozion into herz mouth. At first, shez triyz to swallow it but my venomouz fluidz keepz jaculating in herz mouth. Then, she pullz herz head awayz with herz handz still clenched on my black mamba. She coughz and gagz a minute over the concretes but then placez herz lips back on myz black mamba. Once aginz, she jerks it hard withz both handz. Again, I'z begin to release a strong venemouz fluid at a fullz flow into herz small mouth. Myz black mamba squirmz in herz handz as i release all of my venemous fluid from myz snake into herz mouthz. i'z kannotz waitz til my neighbor Jennifer Lynn Racey sneaks back over to my house for zome afternoonz delight. Next timz, me thinks i shall let my black mamba go hogwildz in herz anuz. If she suckz me this good next time, i shall let myz snake ezcape in herz anuz andz give her zome my brotherly love. Myz black mamba has neverz felt so good after Jennifer Lynn Racey wrapped herz lipz around the big headz on meez mamba!   Mark W. Decker has a boat named Spoony: http://www.boatinfoworld.com/registration.asp?vn=96438   What do you think the chances are that he has already "spooned" and felt-up all three of his daughters (Audrey, Hannah and Libby Decker) aboard his boat with his "vessel" which he has a propensity to play with.... even in public! Let's see if this causes Mark Kacucha some legal trouble:   Belfort President Mark W. Decker (U.S. Naval Academy alumnus), let me tell you about this lowlife. Starts the workday between 9-10AM by checking work and personal email. Come 11-11:30AM, he's ready to go to the local gym to work out. Gets back in the office around 1PM and only then decides to take a lunch break as if the gym work- out didn't count for a lunch break. By 1:30PM, he's checking work and personal email and maybe making a few entires in his family diary which he keeps at work on the company hard drive. Come 3-4PM, he's getting anxious and is looking to wrap up his workday so he can go home and coach soccer league for one of his three daughters. Needless to say, all thru-out his "playful" workday, one gets to see all his dirty nasty habits including:   1) scratching his balls, 2) stroking his c o c k, 3) farting (and then asking someone else if they farted), 4) belching, 5) biting his fingernails, 6) picking his nose (and eating the choice boogies), 7) scratching his ass, 8) picking at his toenails 9) coughing (he has a chronic productive cough... yuck) 10) he has kidney stones (and urinates with pain)   Now keep in mind that this is a US Naval Academy graduate (Class of 1979) who's motto is "don't do as I do" but "do as I say!" Makes complete sense because he superiors in the U.S. Navy recognized his lack of leadership very early on. That's why Lt. Decker didn't last in the U.S. Navy and decided to enter the corporate world where he could use his skills of conniving, lying, denying, concealing, deceiving, and making things up!   Let's get this straight, he been with at least three different companies over the past dozen years, all where he had a hand in running them into the ground. Doesn't a midshipman know how to steer a boat to prevent it from running into the ground? He's been with:   1) Unc, Inc. 2) Mentor Technologies 3) Belfort Instruments   And now there appears to be evidence that he either resigned or was fired from Belfort Instrument Company for "poor performance." Seems like he spent four years trying to sell DigiWx and DigiWx AWOS and was a miserable failure at all of it while dragging down the finances for the rest of the Belfort company. It's easy to conclude that Mark W. Decker is "all that and a bag of chips" along with some "s h i t" salza on the side!   How many freakin passes does this lowlife (who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth) get? What kind of role m o d e l is he for his three daughters Audrey, Hanna, and Libby Decker? And how about his wife Jennifer Racey who decided to keep her maiden name (maybe because she knew about the lowlife she married).   Why do we have lowlifes like Mark W. Decker around? This guy thinks he the best thing since sliced bread. He doesn't think his s h i t stinks and he doesn't think too highly of woman in general either. Wonder how he'll explain that one to his three daughters one day?   Mark W. Decker (the "w" stands for "wiener" which he scratches) Jennifer L. Racey (probably wife) 289 Long Point Road (assessed value of $968,280 as of 1/1/05) Crownsville, MD 21032-1853 DOB: January 7, 1957 according to http://anybirthday.com SSN: 212-60-0049   And then we have this: Hannah, Audrey & Libby Decker (daughters) were found dead in a second family home owned by Ralph P. Decker, Mary Ann Decker, Mark W. Decker and Jennifer L. Racey according to land records available from the Maryland State Department of Assessments and Taxation. No immediate cause of d e a t h was available. The second family home is located at: 11 Silverwood Circle SILVERWOOD Unit 3, Building 11, SC 3, Annapolis, MD 21403.   No explanation was available about how Hannah, Audrey & Libby Decker ended up in this second family home versus the other family home at 289 Long Point Road, Crownsville, MD 21032-1853 which is noted as being the family's primary residence according to land records available from the Maryland State Department of Assessments and Taxation.   And then this: COCK Scratching Belfort Digiwx President Mark W. Decker http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilber...-20070812.html   Pecker Scratching Belfort Digiwx AWOS President Mark W. Decker: PREPARE A PROPOSAL FOR THIS CUSTOMER   Dilbert: WHY ME?   Pecker Scratching Belfort Digiwx AWOS President Mark W. Decker: YOU WERE WALKING BY. I HAD IT IN MY HANDS   Dilbert: WE CAN'T WIN THIS BUSINESS. WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT PRODUCTS OR EXPERTISE.   Pecker Scratching Belfort Digiwx AWOS President Mark W. Decker: JUST SAY WE DO. WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT LATER   Dilbert: THEY KNOW WE DON'T. AND WE'D STILL BE THE MOST EXPENSIVE BIDDER.   Pecker Scratching Belfort Digiwx AWOS President Mark W. Decker: BID LOW. WE'LL MAKE IT UP WITH CHNAGE ORDERS AND UNEXPECTED ESSENTIAL UPGRADES.   Dilbert: IN OTHER WORDS, I'VE BEEN RANDOMLY ASSIGNED TO CREATE LIES FOR A PROPOSAL WE CAN WIN FOR A SERVICE WE CAN'T PERFORM.   Pecker Scratching Belfort Digiwx AWOS President Mark W. Decker: YOU MAKE COMPETING SOUND BAD.   Just a typical day at Belfort Instrument Digiwx AWOS company with the likes of Pecker Scratching Belfort Digiwx AWOS President Mark W. Decker, Resident MURDERER Debra S. Alascio Von Lange (aka Debra Lange), Jowl, Belly & Ass Ralph F. Petragnani, and the other THREE STOOGES: William C. Gordon, Bruce R. Robinson and Nicholas C. Kaufman.   Lastly, we have this: Belfort Instruments Digiwx has t-shirts emblazoned with the phrase: "The Wright Brothers Relied on Us"   American history seems to tell a very different story!   There is a press release with President Mark W. Decker name on it as the contact at: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2003/6/prweb67805.php   Mr. Decker says "The Wright Brothers monitored these (i.e. Belfort's) instruments as they prepared for their famous flight on December 17th, 1903."   THIS IS COMPLETE BULL-SHIT (Mark W. Decker style)   Here is what the Wright Brothers really wrote on December 17, 1903:   "We had a 'Richard' hand anemometer with which we measured the velocity of the wind. Measurements made just before starting the first flight showed velocities of 11 to 12 meters per second, or 24 to 27 miles per hour. Measurements made just before the last flight gave between 9 and 10 meters per second. One made just after showed a little over 8 meters."   And then there is that indisputable picture of: WILBUR WRIGHT USING A RICHARD'S ANEMOMETER (picture) http://wings.avkids.com/Book/Wright/history1_19012.html   Belfort Instrument Company President Mark W. Decker is trying to re-write history to include mention of Belfort and/or Friez. This is a shame and a sham! Buy anything except Belfort Instrument Digiwx AWOS from Bruce R. Robinson and company.   MARK WILSON DECKER (Class of 1979 U.S. Naval Academy) http://www.e-yearbook.com/yearbooks/ United_States_Naval_Academy_Lucky_Bag_Yearbook/ 1979/Page_167.html   Mark came all the way across town to attend Canoe U. Plebe year he became a news column regular from a starting position on the varsity soccer team and co- captain of the plebe lax team. Youngster year brought endless hours of study and a permanent nickname, " Max." He strove to max all he did and was involved in everything from hang gliding to " 4 pts. " and stars and strips. His home became the refuge for many youngster autos and drunk classmates, none the less the welcome mat was always out, and the hospitality was deeply appreciated. Second class year saw the dawning of the star fleet command of which Max was the CO. Even though Mark had female pussy connections in nearly every college in Maryland and Virginia, his 20-10 was primarily focused on the Ivy Leagues. Whether commanding a squadron or managing a corporation, you can bet Max will maximize and run it into the ground.   Last but not least: Path: g2news1.google.com!... From: George Orwell > Newsgroups: md.annapolis Subject: Mentor Technologies Mark W. Decker liked playing pocket pool Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:07:29 +0200 (CEST) Mail-To-News-Contact: Organization:   I saw where Mark W. Decker is now working at Belfort Instrumentation as I always wonder where he went after skipping out of Dodge City just barely when he left Mentor Technologies. If he hadn't left in 2001, Decker would have been shown the exit after his dismal performance at Mentor. The thing I will always remember about Decker was his passion for playing pocket pool, the kind one plays when they have something nasty growing in their crotch out of control. I

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"Maynard A. Philbrook Jr." <jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net>: Dec 02 04:44PM -0500 In article <6tjp7a931epgpifkh7ic8rh6988d02ad1q@4ax.com>, etpm@whidbey.com says... > blow drier into the back of the computer. After a few minutes it > started up. So what device fails when cold? > Eric   Try replacing the Power Supply!   Jamie

Jeff Layman <JMLayman@invalid.invalid>: Dec 02 05:06PM On 02/12/2014 01:17, Phil Allison wrote:   > http://www.effectrode.com/magnetic-delay/binson-echorec-memory-system/   > BTW:   > The wire cannot be "Constantan" cos like most resistance wire it is non magnetic.   Good catch!   I wonder if the original wire was, or was based on, the wire originally used in magnetic wire recorders. That was about the same diameter as a human hair, and trying to machine it must have been a hell of a challenge. Also having an iron content must have made it susceptible to corrosion. There is a quite interesting webpage here which covers the subject: http://www.smecc.org/wire_recorder_care_&_repair.htm   That mentions cleaning and lubricating the wire with our old friend - WD-40!   --   Jeff

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>: Dec 02 01:20PM -0800 Jeff Layman wrote: Phil Allison wrote:   > Good catch!   > I wonder if the original wire was, or was based on, the wire originally > used in magnetic wire recorders.     ** That is my conclusion too.   It was readily available at the time, the diameter was a tad under 0.1mm and it was made from a magnetic grade of stainless steel.   AFAIK, Binson were to only maker to use this idea.     .... Phil

Beloved Leader <Kim_Jong_Il@volcanomail.com>: Dec 02 10:19AM -0800 On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:33:27 PM UTC-5, Bill F wrote: > http://www.troublecodes.net/GM/ > -- > Bill Freeman   Thanks for that link. I have the Y-code V-8, fed by a Rochester QuadraJet. To help keep the environment clean, GM covered all the places where adjustments could be made with steel plugs. A Dremel Mototool opened them up. The tools used to make those adjustments are scarce as hen's teeth. I made an adjustment tool from some brass shim stock.   I bought the plug-in "scanner", really a plastic handle holding a paper clip, years ago, well before there was an Internet. The important part was getting the manual, with the codes decoded.   Thanks again.

Beloved Leader <Kim_Jong_Il@volcanomail.com>: Dec 02 10:21AM -0800 > There might be a Saturn forum on a web site or something.   http://www.saturnfans.com/, for one. I'm sure there are others.   Thanks to you and to everyone else for the help.

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