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Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>: Jan 03 08:02PM In article <smagaapbev4em643p3knr1pa2h9rb7htnh@4ax.com>, Jeff >screwing up. The more one writes, the easier it is for someone else >to find an error, omission, or logic fault. Rather than be caught >making a mistake, it is much easier to not present a targets.   Or, of course, being inconsistent within a post. It's late, one is tired, and so on. Much easier to make a short post than make a longer one be coherent.   -- HAL 9000: Dave. Put down those Windows disks. Dave. DAVE!

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"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net>: Jan 03 09:04AM -0800 "polygonum" wrote in message news:cgqhchFmufhU1@mid.individual.net... On 03/01/2015 15:03, William Sommerwerck wrote:   >> component.   > One might argue that is the case for the 100-component circuit referred to > in the EE Times article.   One //might not// argue that. The LED lamp is made of discrete components that are manufactured separately, and individually soldered in place.

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jan 03 10:07AM -0800 On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 07:05:05 -0800, "William Sommerwerck" >news:goheaa5ogri9rn4tms95m5edkuhq25oidd@4ax.com...   >> Nothing profound has ever been said on one line.   >Including that statement?   Of course. Everything I write has a hidden meaning, hidden agenda, hidden target, or hidden oxymoron.   The problem here is that while I respect the rights of every person to have an opinion in accordance with freedom of speech, I don't really care what that opinion might be. I'm interested in the reasoning behind that opinion, the logic used to arrive at the opinion, and possibly some examples of why that opinion is correct and others wrong. I'll then weight all the sides of the discussion, relative to my needs, and make my own decision. Circumventing this logic process by merely offering an opinion is a waste of time and bytes.   Also, the proliferation of one-line comments on the web and Usenet make me suspect that the literacy of those involved is deficient. I can speculate endlessly as to the reasons for this deterioration in literacy. One of the more interesting causes is coupled with another problem. Posters with questions often supply as little information as possible and require interrogation in order to extract the facts. One-liners and lack of info are symptoms of the same problem, fear of screwing up. The more one writes, the easier it is for someone else to find an error, omission, or logic fault. Rather than be caught making a mistake, it is much easier to not present a targets.   "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"? (Abraham Lincoln).   It's also possible that the perpetrators of one-liners are stuck in a write only mode, where they care little about those that might read the comments. That would class them only slightly better than a spammer that doesn't read the newsgroup before or after posting their junk. If this is the problem, I suggest that people posting anything first consider a simple litmus test. If you don't like reading what you're about to post, then don't post it.     -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Layman <JMLayman@invalid.invalid>: Jan 03 06:17PM On 03/01/15 10:57, Tim Lamb wrote:   >> 35 years old? That thing must have been belt driven.   > Philips brought out a bayonet fitting CFL late '70's. Very heavy for > pendant drops!   Still using a Phillips CFL bought around 1985, rated at 18w, and about a dozen cm in diameter. Works well, with no obvious loss of light once warmed up, although it was used only for 3 or 4 years when first bought, and not used again until a couple of years ago. As you say, it's pretty heavy!   --   Jeff

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jan 03 10:19AM -0800 >> That also begs the question "Why did Arfa Daily post the article"? My >> This also begs the question "Why did I write this long rant when I   ><http://afterdeadline.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/25/begging-the-question-again/?_r=0>   Please put carrets around URL's so that the Usenet server doesn't reformat it by wrapping the lines.   If your one-line comment is about my use of "begs the question", you're correct that mine was not the correct usage. It should have been "raises the question" as described in: <http://begthequestion.info> My appologies. I'll instruct my proof reader to check for such grammatical errors.     -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>: Jan 04 05:20AM +1100 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote >> devices 50 and 60 years old that have never been serviced that >> continue to work. Members of this group probably own them. > This is a category error.   No.   > Yes, we all have 'n' year old electronic devices, because > we have thrown away the ones that have failed.   And yet cars are in fact MUCH more reliable now even tho they have a lot more components than they used to have.   Same with other stuff like TVs etc too.

Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com>: Jan 03 06:23PM On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 10:19:37 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:   > Please put carrets around URL's so that the Usenet server doesn't > reformat it by wrapping the lines.   Please spell carats correctly and cease the apostrophe abuse so that we don't have to wrap your lines...

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>: Jan 04 05:43AM +1100 William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote   >> Much more likely he doesn't actually >> have a fucking clue about the basics. > Are you any relation to Joshua Speed?   No idea, I've never done the genealogy that comprehensively.   I do know that I am not related to quite a few other Speeds in my country even tho it is a rather uncommon name. > Arfa is an intelligent and knowledgeable person.   He clearly isn't on that particular question.   He didn't even notice that cars are MUCH more reliable than they used to be even tho they have vastly more components than they used to have. In spades with computer cpus and memory alone.

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jan 03 10:54AM -0800 On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 07:10:25 -0800, "William Sommerwerck" >> business because there will be no replacement sales. Reliability is >> bad for (consumer) business.   >What about lighting for new buildings?   It's strictly a question of selling price.   Joe Sixpack is not going to tolerate $8 "60 watt" lamps in his house. He wants cheap, at any cost, even if it blows up every few years. I've noticed that most of the homes that I see that have all LED lighting, also have a hybrid car, grid tied solar systems, and other energy conservation devices. They tend to be affluent but not very good at calculating the alleged savings or comparing with alternatives. When I do this for them, some don't want to hear the bad news. They'll pay any price, to save a few pennies. Seriously expensive LED lighting is not a problem for this market.   However, the rest are tightwads or just plain cheap. They look at the store shelf and see $1 CCFL lamps next to $10 LED lights. My guess is they'll buy the $1 lamp and wait for the price of LED's to drop. I saw this happen at the local hardware store. The flooring manager said that when he puts the two types of lights next to each other, the sales of CCFL lamps go up and LED's drop. When he separates them, putting the LED's in a garish impulse buy display near the cash register, CCFL sales drop, and LED's go up. The bottom line is that Joe Sixpack wants cheap lights, and the only way the industry is going to supply those is to cut corners, which show up as increased infant mortality and lifetime failures.   However, high reliability lighting (towers, airports, buildings, etc) are in a different class from Joe Sixpack. You don't find those lights at the hardware store or supermarket. They're industrial specialty items, with high quality LED's, and high prices to match. Reputation is a big thing in such markets, so anything designed to fail prematurely is not going to last very long.   >From my perspective, the cost savings outweigh the "premature" failures.   That totally depends on how you rate lifetime. I get about 2 years on most of my commodity CCFL lights. I haven't blown out enough lights to produce useful statistics, but mostly I break them from impact damage, or something in the electronics burns out, usually with a puff of smog and a noxious smell. A capacitor would be my guess from the smell.   However, these are not the best CCFL lights. Why would this company advertise that their CCFL lamps have 2.5 to 6.6 times the lifetime of ordinary CCFL lamps? <http://www.ccfllamps.com/_en/02_technology/01_detail.php?fid=3> Is it because their lamps are better, or because the ordinary CCFL lamps have been cost reduced to produce a shorter lifetime? Dunno, but I suspect the latter.   LED's are probably similar. You can get those that last forever, and those that are cost reduced to blow up just after the warranty expires. If you do the math, my guess is the price/performance ratio is about the same.     >Like most people, Arfa doesn't like high-K lighting. I switched to 5000K CFLs, >and though it took a couple of weeks to adjust, I much prefer light that >more-closely resembles daylight, and is subjectively brighter.   It's been a while, but I recall that he could not adjust to LED lighting. He's not the only one. The neighboring architects office has two people that claim eyestrain from the replacement LED lighting. Their section of the office uses ordinary fluorescent tubes and incandescent desk lamps. (I once suggested kerosene lamps with predictable results).   I've done some testing on myself to see what works best. 6000K daylight LED lighting seems best for doing fine detail work. 2700-3000K is much easier on my eyes for reading, but I have trouble focusing on detail and fine print. I use both where appropriate.   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Jan 03 11:03AM -0800 On 01/03/2015 7:10 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote: >> business because there will be no replacement sales. Reliability is >> bad for (consumer) business.   > What about lighting for new buildings?   My son-in-law is working on that problem. They manufacture light pipes that bring outside light sources - the sun, high intensity electric, etc. - and transport that throughout buildings (up to 50 feet) using light pipes that drop it down everywhere needed. They are having great fun with this!   <http://www.suncentralinc.com/>     -- (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the newsgroup) John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Jan 03 11:05AM -0800 On 01/03/2015 10:23 AM, Adrian wrote: >> reformat it by wrapping the lines.   > Please spell carats correctly and cease the apostrophe abuse so that we > don't have to wrap your lines...   OK, guys, when we turn into language police then examples of Godwin's Law aren't far behind...   (ducking)   John ;-#)#   -- (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the newsgroup) John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Jan 03 11:14AM -0800 On 01/03/2015 7:00 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:   > That's logically correct. But I have 40 to 50 year old Sony and KLH > products that work fine. Whereas Sony stuff from the last 15 years is > gradually falling apart.   And I have a lovely Phillips reel-to-reel tape player (1960s) that has had all the internal drive belts and idler tires turn to goo...a real pain to get running again! If I ever get around to it. The electronics all appear just fine.   Not to mention one of my first jobs in the 60s was scrapping rotted foam sound insulation from the inside cases of IBM punch card printers, etc. - around 1967 as I recall.   So, what can fail often has little to do with electronics, there is all that support stuff that goes bad after its BBD (Best Before Date).   John :-#)#   -- (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the newsgroup) John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jan 03 11:20AM -0800 On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 19:51:18 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"   >I see a lot of LED traffic lights with groups of dead LEDs.   I haven't. Locally, we have some LED traffic and street lights. I have yet to see one malfunction. However, it might be simply because the traffic department is good about quickly replacing any failures. Most LED lights include a remote monitoring feature.   I'm not sure what might be causing the failures that you've observed. Any sign of overheating? Power glitches? Bullet holes?   Los Angeles Saves Millions With LED Street Light Deployment <http://www.forbes.com/sites/justingerdes/2013/01/25/los-angeles-saves-millions-with-led-street-light-deployment/> After 36 months of initial operation, for instance, high-intensity discharge (HID) fixtures in Los Angeles recorded an average failure rate of 10%; the average failure rate for LED fixtures, according to the latest figures, is 0.2% (189 of 98,000 installed).   >The one >closest to me is on the fourth red LED lamp in the last couple years and >already has some groups that are quite dim.   Got an IR temperature gun? Get as close as you can and get a temperature reading. My guess(tm) is that it's running hot, even with some blown lights.   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>: Jan 03 02:21PM -0500 On 1/3/2015 1:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > daylight LED lighting seems best for doing fine detail work. > 2700-3000K is much easier on my eyes for reading, but I have trouble > focusing on detail and fine print. I use both where appropriate.   I have a bunch of Luxo desk lamps that have a 100 W incandescent surrounded by a 22W circular fluorescent. They're by far the easiest thing on the eyes that I've ever used.   Cheers   Phil Hobbs   -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics   160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510   hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>: Jan 04 06:30AM +1100 Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote > process by merely offering an opinion is a waste of time and bytes.   > Also, the proliferation of one-line comments on the web and Usenet > make me suspect that the literacy of those involved is deficient.   That line can't explain why some like Churchill specialised in stinging one liners. Hard to claim his literacy was deficient.   > literacy. One of the more interesting causes is coupled with another > problem. Posters with questions often supply as little information > as possible and require interrogation in order to extract the facts.   That has always been a problem. Plenty just don't understand that 'it doesn't work anymore' isnt every useful for working out why it doesn't.   > One-liners and lack of info are symptoms > of the same problem, fear of screwing up.   I don't buy that with one liners with people like Churchill.   > The more one writes, the easier it is for someone > else to find an error, omission, or logic fault.   Yes.   > Rather than be caught making a mistake, > it is much easier to not present a targets.   I don't believe that is the reason for one liners or the lack of detail with a fault either.   > "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than > to speak out and remove all doubt"? (Abraham Lincoln).   Another one liner.   > posting their junk. If this is the problem, I suggest that people > posting anything first consider a simple litmus test. If you don't > like reading what you're about to post, then don't post it.   Some of us prefer Ab's one liner to your para just above.

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>: Jan 04 07:04AM +1100 "Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message news:bncgaaducg27p8egusu1fqmjk94feamr09@4ax.com... > putting the LED's in a garish impulse buy display near the cash > register, CCFL sales drop, and LED's go up. The bottom line is that > Joe Sixpack wants cheap lights,   Yes.   > and the only way the industry is going > to supply those is to cut corners,   No, most obviously with the change from incandescent torches to LED torches.   > which show up as increased infant mortality and lifetime failures.   No, most obviously with the change from incandescent torches to LED torches.   And with cars in spades. MUCH more reliable than they used to be.   > specialty items, with high quality LED's, and high prices to match. > Reputation is a big thing in such markets, so anything designed > to fail prematurely is not going to last very long.   Same with systems like Amazon and ebay where its so easy to see how long things have lasted.   And you get the short life problem even with the brand name high end items too. Have a look at logitech mice for example. The microswitches fail with monotonous regularity, multiple clicking when you only intended a single click. That's been going on for more than a decade now even with their most expensive mice selling for $100 each with 5 or 7 year warrantys where its in the manufacturer's interest to fix the problem because they have to wear the replacement under warranty.   Your claim that logitech deliberately designs them to fail like that just can't fly with warrantys like that.   >> From my perspective, the cost savings outweigh the "premature" failures.   > That totally depends on how you rate lifetime. I get > about 2 years on most of my commodity CCFL lights.   I'm currently seeing more than 10 out of mine and that one is used every single day.   > I haven't blown out enough lights to produce useful > statistics, but mostly I break them from impact damage,   Those don't count.   > <http://www.ccfllamps.com/_en/02_technology/01_detail.php?fid=3> > Is it because their lamps are better, or because the ordinary CCFL > lamps have been cost reduced to produce a shorter lifetime?   Or they have put more effort into a decent design.   > Dunno, but I suspect the latter.   > LED's are probably similar. You can get those that last forever,   And virtually all of the lowest power indicator leds do just that.   > and those that are cost reduced to blow > up just after the warranty expires.   I don't believe that that last is even possible.   The reality with the cheapest shit from china is that you're lucky if all of them work out of the box.   > If you do the math, my guess is the > price/performance ratio is about the same.   Fraid not with my CFLs.

Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net>: Jan 03 09:11PM On 03/01/15 10:13, Tim Watts wrote:   > Or is there a really simple 2 pin current regulator on a chip available?   > Old style 0.2" 20mA LEDs weren't that bothered, but I'm not au fait with > high power Crees and the like.   Anyone?

Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx>: Jan 03 09:49PM On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 10:19:37 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:   > Please put carrets around URL's so that the Usenet server doesn't > reformat it by wrapping the lines.   I don't think you mean 'carrets' (sic) [that would be 'carets']   But I'm not sure what the right term is - I call them 'diamond brackets'.   Sorry about omitting them - as I often do, I remembered it after I pressed the button!   -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £30a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor

Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx>: Jan 03 09:50PM On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 18:23:51 +0000, Adrian wrote:   >> reformat it by wrapping the lines.   > Please spell carats correctly and cease the apostrophe abuse so that we > don't have to wrap your lines...   ITYM 'carets'!       -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £30a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor

BV BV <bv8bv8bv8@gmail.com>: Jan 03 12:12PM -0800 THE SUPERIORITY OF THE MOTHER IN ISLAM #1- From Abu Hurairah -radiallaahu anhu- who said: A man came to the Messenger of Allah -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- and said: 'O Messenger of Allah who from the people is the most deserving of my good companionship?   The Messenger -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- replied:   'Your mother.'   The man said: 'then who?'   The Messenger -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- replied:   'Your mother.'   The man said: 'then who?'   The Messenger -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- replied:   'Your mother.'   The man said: 'then who?'   The Messenger -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- said:   'Your father.'   [In another narration: '. . . . . the next closest relative then those closest after them.']   [Collected in 'Adab al-Mufrad' no.3, Tirmidhi and 'Irwaa al-Ghaleel' 829/2232, declared Hasan by Albaani.]   In another narration: 'A man came to the Prophet of Allah -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- and said: 'What do you order me with?' The Messenger -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- said:   'Be good to your mother.'   [Collected by 'Adab al-Mufrad' no. 6]   [Collected by Bukhari in 'Kitaab al-Adab' in the second chapter: 'Who from the people is the most deserving of my good companionship?' and also collected by Muslim in 'Kitaab al-Birr wa Silat wal Adab']   Imam Nawawi said in his explanation of this hadeeth:   'The Scholars have said: the reason for the superiority of the mother is due to her becoming tired on your account, her compassion, her serving you, suffering hardship while being pregnant with you, then giving birth to you, then suckling you, then bringing you up, serving you, nursing you and other things.'   [Taken from the 'Sharh Saheeh Muslim' 16/80]   Ibn Hajr quotes Ibn Battaal in the explanation of this hadeeth:   Ibn Battaal said: 'Malik was asked: my father requests me to do something but my mother prevents me from it.'   Imam Malik answered:   'Obey your father and do not disobey your mother.'   ['Fath ul Bari'10/402]   #2- 'Asma bint Abu Bakr said: 'My mother came to me and she is a Mushrikah (Non-Muslim) at the time of the Messenger of Allah -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam-, so I asked the Messenger of Allah -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- about this and I said to him: 'My mother has come to me, and she is asking for me to be good to her, should I keep good relations with my mother?   The Messenger of Allah -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- said: 'Keep good relations with her.'   [Collected by Bukhari, Muslim and in the wording mentioned by Abu Dawud: 'Asma -radiallaahu anha- said: '... and she hates Islam.' 'Saheeh Targhib wa Tarhib' p.657 no. 2500]   Ibn Uayainah said: Allah -Azza wa Jall- revealed:   << Allah does not forbid you from dealing justly and kindly with those who did not fight against you on account of religion >>   [al-Mumtahina: 8] regarding her.   [Collected by Bukhari in 'Adab al-Mufrad' no. 25, declared Saheeh by Albaani in 'Saheeh Abu Dawud' (1468)]   #3- It is narrated from Talha bin Muaaweeyah as-Sulamee -radiallaahu anhu- who said: I came to the Prophet -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- and said: 'O Messenger of Allah! Indeed I want to participate in Jihad in the path of Allah.'   The Prophet -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- said: 'Is your mother alive?'   I said: 'Yes.'   The Prophet -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- said:   'Stay at her feet, for there is Paradise.'   [Collected by Tabraani and Albaani declared it Saeeih li Ghayreehi in 'Saheeh Targhib wa Tarhib' 2/2484 p.649]   In a similar narration from Muaaweeyah bin Jaahimah where the Prophet -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- said:   'Stick to your mother, since indeed Paradise is at her feet.'   [Collected by Ibn Majah, Nisa'i and Albaani declared it Hasan Saheeh in 'Saheeh Targhib wa Tarhib' 2/2485]   In a similar hadeeth the Prophet -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- asked: 'Do you have parents?'   I said: 'Yes.'   The Prophet -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- said:   'Stick to them, since indeed Paradise is under their feet.'   [Collected by Tabrani and Albaani declared it Hasan Saheeh in 'Saheeh Targhib wa Tarhib' no. 2485]   #4 - From Ibn Umar -radiallaahu anhu- who said: 'A man came to the Prophet -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- and said: 'Indeed I have committed a major sin, is there any repentance for me?'   The Prophet -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- said: 'Do you have a mother?'   He answered: 'No.'   The Prophet -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- said: 'Do you have an aunt (mother's sister)?'   He answered: 'Yes.'   The Prophet -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- said:   'Then be good to her.'   [Collected by Tirmidhi, and declared Saheeh by Albaani and in the wording collected by Ibn Hibban and Hakim: 'Do you have parents?' 'Saheeh Targhib wa Tarhib' p.658 no. 2504]   #5- From al-Mughirah bin Shaybah -radiallaahu anhu- from the Prophet -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- who said:   'Indeed Allah has prohibited you from being disobedient to your mothers, and burying your daughters alive, to withhold from what Allah has allowed, claiming something which you do not have the right to claim. And Allah dislikes gossiping and excessive questioning, and wasting wealth.'   [Collected by Bukhari]   #6- From al-Miqdam bin Ma'adi Karb al-Kindi on the authority of the Prophet -sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam- who said:   'Indeed Allah orders you to fulfill the rights of your mothers, then to fulfill the rights of close relatives then those who are after them.'   [Collected in 'Silsilah Sahihah' No.1666]   From the Athaar of the Salaf   #7- From Sa'id bin Abu Burdah from his father who said: Ibn Umar -radiallaahu anhu- said: he was making Tawaaf and he saw a man making Tawaaf while carrying his mother saying:   Indeed I am like her submissive camel   Even if her ride becomes startled I will not become startled and run away   I carry her since she carried me more, do you think that I have paid her back O Ibn Umar?   He said: No, not even one breath while giving birth.   [Taken from 'Akhbar as-Salaf' p.268, 'Mukarim al-Akhlaaq' p.225, and 'Adab al-Mufrad' No.11and authenticated by Albaani]   #8- From Abu Hazim: that Abu Huraira -radiallaahu anhu- did not perform Hajj until his mother died.   [Collected in 'Mukarim al-Akhlaaq' p.80, taken from 'Akhbar as-Salaf' p.268]   #9- From Muhammad who said: 'There was a date palm which bore one thousand dates, so Usamah bin Zayd -radiallaahu anhu- went to these dates and cut them off the tree due to their beauty. He was asked about it, so he said: Indeed my mother mentioned to me that she would love to have them, and there is nothing from the Dunya that my mother wants and I have the capability of getting except that I will get it for her.'   [Collected in 'Mukarim al-Akhlaaq' p.225, taken from 'Akhbar as-Salaf' p. 268]   #10- From Ibn Abbas -radiallaahu anhu- that a man came to him and said: 'I proposed to a woman but she refused to marry me, someone else proposed to her and she liked him and married him. I became jealous over her and I killed her, can I repent from this?'   Ibn 'Abbas asked: 'Is your mother alive?'   He answered: 'No.'   Then Ibn Abbas said: 'Repent to Allah -Azza wa Jal- and come close to Him as much as you can.'   The narrator said: I went and asked Ibn 'Abbas -radiallaahu anhu-: 'Why did you ask him whether his mother was alive?'   Ibn Abbas -radiallaahu anhu- answered:   'Indeed I do not know of an action closer to Allah -Azza wa Jal- than being good to one's mother.'   [Collected by Bukhari in 'Adab al-Mufrad' no.4, declared Saheeh by Albaani in 'Silsilah as-Sahihah' 2799]   #11- From Abu Hazim that Abu Murrah, the freed slave of Umm Hani the daughter of Abu Taalib informed him that he rode with Abu Hurairah to al-Aqeeq where his land was. When he entered his land he yelled at the top of his voice: 'O my mother Assalamu alaykum wa Rahmatullaahi wa Baraktuhu'   She replied: 'Wa alayka assalam wa Rahmatullaahi wa Baraktuhu'   He said: 'May Allah have mercy upon you as you brought me up when I was small.'   She said: 'O my son, and likewise to you, may Allah reward you with goodness and may He be pleased with you, as you look after me while I am old.'   [Collected by Bukhari in 'Adab al-Mufrad' No.14, and Albaani declared it to have a Hasan Isnad]   #12- From 'Atta that a person's mother took an oath from him that he should not pray except the obligatory prayer and not to fast except Ramadan, 'Atta said:   'Obey her!'   [Collected in 'al-Birr' by Ibn al-Jawzi p.67, taken from 'Akhbar as-Salaf' p.269]   #13- From Humaid who said: When Umm Eyaas bin Muaaweeyah died, Eyaas cried, it was said: 'What makes you cry?' He said: 'I used to have two doors open towards Paradise and one of them has been closed.'   [Collected in 'al-Birr' by Ibn al-Jawzi p.68, taken from 'Akhbar as-Salaf' p.269]   #14- Muhammad bin al-Munkadir said: 'I spent the night massaging my mother's leg and Umar spent the night praying. His night would not make me happier than my night.'   [Collected in 'al-Hileeyah' 3/150, taken from 'Akhbar as-Salaf' p.269]   #15- From Jafar bin Sulayman who said: Muhammad bin al-Munkadir used to place his cheek on the floor, and then say to his mother: 'place your foot upon it!'   [Collected in 'Mukarim al-Akhlaaq' p.226, taken from 'Akhbar as-Salaf' p.270]   #16- From Ibn 'Awn who said: 'Muhammad bin Sireen used to when he was with his mother lower his voice and speak slowly.'   [Collected in 'Mukarim al-Akhlaaq' p.226, taken from 'Akhbar as-Salaf' p.270]   #17- From al-Hasan that a man said to him: 'Indeed I made Hajj and indeed my mother has given me permission to perform another Hajj.' So al-Hasan said: 'To sit with her at her table is more beloved to me than your Hajj [i.e. optional Hajj].'   [Collected in 'Mukarim al-Akhlaaq' p.227, taken from 'Akhbar as-Salaf' p.270]   #18- From Hisham who said: Hafsah bint Sireen used to ask for Allah's mercy upon her son Huthayal and say: He would go and get reed and stalks to make a fire, he would peel them and gather them in the summer time, so when it was lit it would not produce smoke. When it came to winter time he would come and sit behind me while I prayed and he would light a small fire so that I could feel the warmth from it and so that the smoke from it would not bother me. I used to say to him, O my son it is night time go to your wife, and he would say: 'O mother I know what you want.'   She continued: 'If I did not continue saying it to him perhaps he would be there till the morning time!'   [Collected in 'al-Birr' by Ibn al-Jawzi p.53, taken from 'Akhbar as-Salaf' p.270]   #19- From 'Ali bin al-Hussain that it was said to him that you are from the best amongst the people but I do not see you eating with your mother?   He answered: 'I fear that, if I eat with her, my hand might precede her eye upon some food, so I would have been disrespectful to her!!'   [Collected in 'al-Birr wa Silaah' p.82, taken from 'Akhbar as-Salaf' p.270]   #20- From Mansoor who said: 'It has been said that the mother receives three quarters of al-Birr [being good to her].'   [Collected in 'al-Hileeyah' 5/42, taken from 'Akhbar as-Salaf' p.271]   #21- From Abu Bakr bin 'Aeeyash who said: 'I was sitting with Mansoor in his house, and his mother came and she was harsh and said: 'O Mansoor, Ibn Hubayrah wants you to be a judge and you refused!?' Mansoor did not raise his eyes up to look at her and his beard would touch his chest due to lowering his head.'   [Collected in 'al-Birr' by Ibn al-Jawzi p.53, taken from 'Akhbar as-Salaf' p.271]   #22- From al-Hasan bin Nuh who said: 'Khamas used to work using plaster every day for two small coins, and when the evening would approach he would buy a piece of fruit with that and bring it to his mother!'   [Collected in 'al-Hileeyah' 6/212, taken from 'Akhbar as-Salaf' p.271]   #23- From Mughira who said: 'Talq bin Habeeb used to help his mother with her work.'   [Collected in ash-Shuyb/7543, taken from 'Akhbar as-Salaf' p.271]   #24- From Hafsa bint Sireen who said: 'Umm Muhammad bin Sireen was a woman from the Hijjaz, and she loved dyed clothing. When Muhammad would buy her clothing he would buy her the softest material that could be found, and if it was close to Eid he would have her clothing dyed.'   [Collected in 'Tabaqaat' by Ibn Sa'd 7/228 taken from 'Akhbar as-Salaf' p.271]   #25- 'Amr bin Ubayr used to visit Khamas, he would greet him with Salaams and sit with him and his companions. So his mother said to him: 'Indeed I see this person and his companions and I dislike them, and I am not impressed by them so do not sit with them.' 'Amr and his companions came to him and he came close to them, and said: Indeed my mother dislikes you and your companions so do not visit me.'   [Collected in 'al-Hileeyah' 6/212, taken from 'Akhbar as-Salaf' p.272]

"David Farber" <farberbear.unspam@aol.com>: Jan 03 11:19AM -0800 Ron D. wrote: > DSL modem with wireless capabilities. > Their modems limit the 10baseT ports to 100 mb/s and the wireless > ports to 300 mb/s. I have a RAID server on a Gigabit ethernet.   Hi Ron D,   Sorry for the delayed reply. You packed a lot of good information in there. My configuration, which was working at one point, is like this:   Starting from the coaxial wire from the wall: The coax goes to the ISP provided Cisco cable modem. My ISP now prohibits customer owned modems so that's why I'm using theirs and not my Netgear box.   The ethernet cables wired from the ISP provided cable modem to my previous cable modem which is a Netgear cable modem gateway. The model number is CG814WG v3. I only want to take advantage of the wireless capability of the Netgear device as there is already a cable modem in place.   From the Netgear box, there is an ethernet cable going to my Airlink 101 wireless router into the WAN port and that functions without any problem.   As I said before, I cannot get internet access from the Netgear box when the default ip address/gateway is 192.168.0.1. After some experimenting within the *Netgear gateway/setup menu*, the ip address for the Netgear gateway flips to the ip address that is assigned by the ISP (that's what I see when I run ipconfig in XP). But once that happens, I am unable to access the Netgear setup menu but I am able to get internet access.   Ideally, I'd like to return to the condition where each router/gateway has its own ip address, be able to access both devices' (Netgear and Airlink) setup menu, and get internet access.   Thanks for your reply.   -- David Farber Los Osos, CA

mike <ham789@netzero.net>: Jan 03 12:01PM -0800 I changed providers and had issues especially during the changeover when I wanted to switch back and forth. Finally figgered it out. Put the ISP modem in IP passthru mode. It doesn't do anything but take the ISP input and stuff it into the output. I do all the wired and wireless routing in MY router plugged into the modem.   The modem shows up in two places. The External IP address presented by the ISP and the configuration address at 192.168.15.1 presented to the WAN port on my router. I can configure my router at 192.168.1.1 and the modem at 192.168.15.1. My router is responsible for DHCP, but I use address reservation so everybody has a stable IP address. Another secret is to use a specified destination MAC address for your IP passthru instead of automatic.   Got rid of all the multiple natting and address mixups that I had. Now, I can plug stuff in and out at most every level and it just works without any address conflicts.   When I was considering switching to FIOS, I was assured by the guru that I didn't need their modem at all. I could plug mine directly into the FIOS box on the wall. Have not tried it tho.

larrymoencurly@my-deja.com: Jan 03 10:33AM -0800 On Thursday, January 1, 2015 12:27:16 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jan 2015 03:34:02 -0800 (PST), larrymoencurly@my-deja.com > wrote:   On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:17:23 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > in architectural design on the side.   > >What would you have told him if his major had been art history?   > I'll answer if you tell me why my answer might be useful or relevent.   Art history is not exactly a major with a high rate of return in the job market, and graduates often have less than no vocational skills. And because neither students nor employers like the major, why encourage its study?   > History of Consciousness graduates have also found positions > outside academic institutions as researchers, writers, > filmmakers, curators, organizers and administrators.   They can't go back to calling all those majors "humanities"?

larrymoencurly@my-deja.com: Jan 03 10:39AM -0800 On Thursday, January 1, 2015 7:47:43 AM UTC-7, Robert Macy wrote: > their day jobs, but Jay quit his. With NO way back, he becme a bit > successful, where as all his friends, having a 'lifeline' never went very > far in comedy. [as related by Jay Leno]   Are you saying Jay Leno should have kept his day job, and maybe the late night TV tragedy he ran for two decades would have never happened?

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