Digest for sci.electronics.repair@googlegroups.com - 11 updates in 7 topics

N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Feb 08 02:35PM

A talk given by a local expert on LC devices, Matthew Proctor,
Southampton University, from the Q&A after the talk, my query
 
I've brought along , what I often see in repairing electronic stuff,
black bleeding within a 7-segment LC display. All I know is the problem
seems to develop from being excessively cold or hot and I'm
assuming the 2 glass plates cleave apart , then the LC bleeds across
but I've never found out why the numbers fail to register anything
although there is LC everywhere?
All such LC displays have polarizors in them , light going in
through one and out through another . If we remove the LC
from the situation entirely all you get is something that light
cannot go through. You can only get this birefringent
effect with 2 glass plates , normally coated with some kind of
plastic , stick them close to one another , the gap can go up to
about 0.5mm if your lucky. In a TV they are usually about 5 micron
or so. As you say , in this numeric LC display, the plates have
moved apart slightly and the LC is no longer ordered properly.
You get something that is cloudy again, its not birefringent.
You have small area htere where the LC is lined up but lots
of these microdomains where there is no order as to the direction
of the domains and the light is scattered . The LC is no longer
being aligned by the polymer and what you have instead is something
that is not doing anything significant to the light and you
have 2 polarizors and so black.
I forgot to say how thick this layer is . It has to be carefully
controlled depending on what colour you want to come through.
If you change the thickness of that layer a bit, then you'll change the
colour of the light that comes through it. If you poke a LCD with a finger
and see rainbow fringing that is what is happening there, you are
flexing the display, changing the thickness , and changing the
wavelength of light its letting through, as you have RG and B light
behind it.
With large flat pieces of glass on laptop screens , how can they
guarantee absolutely rigorous separation, until you poke your
finger at it, anyway, it seems impossible?
They are very very good engineers, very good at what they do.
The things we make in the lab , tend to sag in the middle ,
so about 2 microns thinner than at the edges. Something we ar
einvestigating
as its often ignored in hte literature. Really thin, tiny electrodes ,
so carefully designed to get these things working. Generally
on new monitors these days, you will not get a single pixel breaking
for years.
Leif Neland <leif@neland.dk>: Feb 08 01:52PM +0100


> TV sucks in this country. they do not have their HDTVC shit together. Half
> the time it is overscanned and you lose half the picture or you get a 20"
> picture on a 32" screen.
 
I also hate when they have a 16:9 source, then put it into a 4:3 frame
with their station logo at the top, and dark gray bars at top and
bottom.
Then when it is wiewed on a 16:9 screen, there is also black bars at
the sides.
 
Often I can't zoom to get the original 16:9 to fit the entire screen,
because of subtitles burned into the video stream in the lower dark
gray bar.
 
(
 
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Pat <pat@nospam.us>: Feb 08 08:49AM -0500

On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 13:52:52 +0100, Leif Neland <leif@neland.dk>
wrote:
 
>because of subtitles burned into the video stream in the lower dark
>gray bar.
 
>(
I usually see that sort of thing when the original material is SD or
they are sending it over a low bandwidth channel. In those cases, it
makes sense to me because at least it shows the material in the
correct aspect ratio. An example here (US) is the local PBS station.
They run an HD main channel plus a bunch of SD subchannels. When they
put an HD show on one of the subchannels, it gets displayed at a
reduced size in the middle of the screen. They put logos around the
edge because they are static and use almost no bandwidth, but the show
itself can't be shown full size with the limited bandwidth available
on the subchannel.
senderj@hotmail.com: Feb 07 04:32PM -0800

I have a Panasonic NN-GS597M microwave. When using its microwave heating function, it stops after 4 seconds regardless of the setting is H/M/L. In this 4 seconds, there is a slight "tic tic" sound near the a/c rectifier and the large transformer of the inverter (they seat close to each other). I managed to find an inverter board and replaced it, but didn't solve the problem. So it must be something else that cause the problem.
 
The rectifier board is just simple R, C, varistor and self recovering fuse, which are unlikely to have any problem. For magnetron, I've measured the resistance of the 2 leads. With my DMM at 200ohm it reads 0.3. Each lead is open to the case of the ovan. So I think the magnetron is ok. So what else can I check to resolve the problem. Please help.
 
NB. http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/micfaq.htm is where I learn the above, in case it can help others.
sender jones <senderj@hotmail.com>: Feb 07 04:48PM -0800

One more point, during this 4 seconds, the ovan is noisy as usual. But after it failed, it is quiet but the cooling fan is still turning.
c4urs11 <c4urs11@domain.hidden>: Feb 08 09:33AM

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 16:48:25 -0800, sender jones wrote:
 
> One more point, during this 4 seconds, the ovan is noisy as usual.
> But after it failed, it is quiet but the cooling fan is still turning.
 
Can this help, disregarding its fun typos?
http://ask.metafilter.com/259488/Possessed-mircowave
 
 
Cheers!
captainvideo462009@gmail.com: Feb 07 06:01PM -0800

On Thursday, October 17, 2013 at 7:55:39 PM UTC-4, Dan wrote:
> trying to sell fuses, not any giving how to read the ratings.
 
> TIA
 
> Dan
 
Jeff
You mentioned that you have a number of different breakers fitted with clip leads for testing before you install an actual fuse. I hate to repeatedly blow fuses too, but doesn't that increase the time it takes for the circuit to open, thus subjecting the equipment to possible further harm? Lenny
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Feb 07 09:58PM -0800

On Sat, 7 Feb 2015 18:01:09 -0800 (PST), captainvideo462009@gmail.com
wrote:
 
>Jeff
>You mentioned that you have a number of different breakers fitted
>with clip leads for testing before you install an actual fuse.
 
Yep.
 
>I hate to repeatedly blow fuses too, but doesn't that increase
>the time it takes for the circuit to open, thus subjecting
>the equipment to possible further harm? Lenny
 
Chuckle. That would be like comparing the old screw in electric panel
fuse with the more modern circuit breakers. Actually, the magentic
circuit breaker is faster than the thermal fuse up to about 2x rated
current.
 
However, it doesn't matter. If the power supply is shorted, blowing
the circuit breaker a bit late isn't going to make much difference as
the power supply is already fried. Whatever is blown or shorted will
probably protect the rest of the circuitry. However, if everything is
working correctly, the circuit breaker won't trip so it make no
difference how fast or slow it opens.
 
Where it might get a bit sticky is a fairly low resistance short
across the power supply output. That won't draw enough current for a
instanteous breaker trip and might cook a few devices or traces
between the power supply and the low resistance short. It's a
definite risk, which I'll gladly take, because I haven't seem much of
that. Most commonly, it has happened when I stupidly install
electrolytic caps in backwards, which hopefully will not become
chronic or epidemic.
 
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"hrhofmann@sbcglobal.net" <hrhofmann@sbcglobal.net>: Feb 07 08:18PM -0800

What the OP wants is a simple pushbutton switch, like a doorbell switch.
Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid>: Feb 07 08:23PM

>> hiiii frnd im new in this group im need schematic diagram 10203-1 b560 laptop
 
> The brand might help, but really you don't usually get schematics for computers. Fact is, the way they are, all you can do is change regulators and capacitors. Then some of them (in the words of a mobo manual I read years agho) "hang permanently when the errors introduced by dirty power corrupts the BIOS past being able to flash. If it won't boot it won't flash. One of mine locked the harddirve in error, but that model harddrive was very susceptable to that problem. (WD1600BEVT, don't buy one)
 
> You would be better off posting the problem you're having with it.
 
His machine is a Lenovo.
 
There are a few dodgy websites in Thailand / Malaysia / Vietnam that
host free recent laptop schematics (pinched from the factory?). Takes a
bit of googling.
 
Start with the word kythuatvitinh and don't do it from a Windows machine.
 
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Adrian C
jurb6006@gmail.com: Feb 07 09:42AM -0800

>"" Well, I didn't think anyone would do something so stupid. "
 
Well, over here in the states I have come to expect shit like that.
 
Now the warranty thing, these are stock units. They play them, which is alright usually as the instruments and amps get tested.
 
Of course some tests cannot be passed. Lik the last time someone told me to go fuck myself. I know I can't do that. Don't even know anyone who can.
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