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gthompson204@gmail.com: May 28 09:55AM -0700

I was recently given one of these, but it does not record, playback, rewind, or fast forward. I can still look through the viewfinder, zoom and focus, but nothing else. Any ideas on the problem(s)/solution(s)?
captainvideo462009@gmail.com: May 27 11:30AM -0700

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:46:05 PM UTC-4, Glenn Russell wrote:
> My vintage Sony Trinitron model KV-19TS20 goes wacky after inly a few seconds. screen has jagged lines and makes a noise that changes in pitch from low to high. Can somebody please help me?
 
Try this first. Pull the chassis and resolder anything that looks suspicious, especially around the hor. output area. Lenny
"J.B. Wood" <arl_123234@hotmail.com>: May 28 06:38AM -0400

>> in pitch from low to high. Can somebody please help me?
 
> Try this first. Pull the chassis and resolder anything that looks
> suspicious, especially around the hor. output area. Lenny
 
Hello, and that sounds like a classic horizontal sweep problem. For
whatever reason(s) the horizontal section is not generating the proper
sweep waveform and since this section also provides high-voltage to the
CRT (Picture Tube), the combined effect is evident on the screen. The
high-pitched sound is coming from the vibrating core of the horizontal
output (flyback) transformer. The flyback or horizontal output power
transistor feeding the flyback could be bad or something else like a
cold solder joint(s) might be the issue. Sincerely,
 
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RobertMacy <robert.a.macy@gmail.com>: May 28 05:32AM -0700

On Thu, 28 May 2015 03:38:45 -0700, J.B. Wood <arl_123234@hotmail.com>
wrote:
 
> output (flyback) transformer. The flyback or horizontal output power
> transistor feeding the flyback could be bad or something else like a
> cold solder joint(s) might be the issue. Sincerely,
 
If that is like the trinitron that gave me trouble, YES check the
Horizontal Sweep Section. The design there seems marginal, runs HOT, and
appears to 'kill' the output transistor, but replace its driver too while
you're in there. Why? 1. you're in there, and 2. When the output
Transistor went, it takes the driver, or at least greatly weakens it.
And, Why not rpelace it? What is saved by being cheap? PS: don't know if
related, or cause, but one of the blocking caps was leaky and had to be
replaced. I found out because the 'fix' of changing only output
transistors lasted a few months before all wonky again.
Chuck <chuck@mydeja.net>: May 28 11:06AM -0500

On Thu, 28 May 2015 05:32:24 -0700, RobertMacy
>related, or cause, but one of the blocking caps was leaky and had to be
>replaced. I found out because the 'fix' of changing only output
>transistors lasted a few months before all wonky again.
 
Make sure to resolder the horizontal driver transformer leads. If
there is an electrolytic capacitor connected to the H drive circuit,
replace it too.
 
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"J.B. Wood" <arl_123234@hotmail.com>: May 28 12:33PM -0400

On 05/28/2015 12:06 PM, Chuck wrote:
 
Hello, again, and in assuming that the OP still has a properly sized
picture with exception of the artifacts at the edges of the screen, what
may be occurring is arching due to insulation breakdown in the flyback
transformer, high-voltage rectifiers or other components that have to
withstand many kilovolts. A strong scent of ozone in the horizontal
section might be an indication. Just another consideration in addition
to those who previously provided timely troubleshooting tips. Sincerely,
 
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"Gareth Magennis" <sound.service@btconnect.com>: May 27 06:05PM +0100

"Baron" wrote in message news:mk4gc9$7fm$1@dont-email.me...
 
Phil Allison prodded the keyboard with:
 
> sudden failures in almost any electronic device - when the real
> cause is simply a bad component.
 
> .... Phil
 
+1
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Many years ago I was working for a PA Hire company. One day we had a real
"power surge".
All the lights started getting really bright, then normal again, then back
to really bright etc. It was quite a weird experience.
I seem to recall we hit the emergency Power Off button in the warehouse
after measuring the mains outlets being well above 300v.
 
Most of the office equipment got fried - photocopier, printer etc. but no
humans or any of the audio gear were hurt.
 
We called in the electricity supply company, who (they said) discovered a
bad Mains Intake Neutral connection.
They paid compensation for all the fried gear, and we all saw the funny
side.
 
 
 
 
Gareth.
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>: May 28 06:46AM +1000

On 27/05/2015 5:28 PM, N_Cook wrote:
>> shelf can deal with the energies involved.
 
> Well you survived long enough to provide this homicidal info.
> You disconnect TV aerials BEFORE lightening storms.
 
**OUCH! You are, of course, correct.
 
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"Ron D." <Ron.Dozier@gmail.com>: May 27 02:16PM -0700

I'll point you here: http://www.gryphon-inc.com/White_Papers.html
 
I've had extreme success with Powervar/ONEAC products. Like 25 years on a very critical computer system. The only failures were mechanical like fans and floppy drives. The hard drive was on 15 years before the system was upgraded. It did cost about $1K USD in the 80's for about 1000 W. Later, two other systems got the same technology.
 
Usually, the warranty and the sales receipt helps a lot. Less critical systems got the tripp-lite isobar which oneac doesn;t like either. I did see an ISOBAR fry and Trip-lite replaced the connected equipment.
 
I had an APC surge suppressor (given to me) and it's is supposed to be replaced because it causes fires. I think it's been close to 3 months now and no replacement APC. Furthermore, that APC did not protect itself. Oh maybe it did? It prevent itself from frying by blowing a thermal fuse and passing the surge to the equipment and lighting a LED.
"Ron D." <Ron.Dozier@gmail.com>: May 27 07:21PM -0700

On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 5:16:28 PM UTC-4, Ron D. wrote:
 
> I've had extreme success with Powervar/ONEAC products. Like 25 years on a very critical computer system. The only failures were mechanical like fans and floppy drives. The hard drive was on 15 years before the system was upgraded. It did cost about $1K USD in the 80's for about 1000 W. Later, two other systems got the same technology.
 
> Usually, the warranty and the sales receipt helps a lot. Less critical systems got the tripp-lite isobar which oneac doesn;t like either. I did see an ISOBAR fry and Trip-lite replaced the connected equipment.
 
> I had an APC surge suppressor (given to me) and it's is supposed to be replaced because it causes fires. I think it's been close to 3 months now and no replacement APC. Furthermore, that APC did not protect itself. Oh maybe it did? It prevent itself from frying by blowing a thermal fuse and passing the surge to the equipment and lighting a LED.
 
A whole house suppressor would not be a bad idea either.
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>: May 28 03:22PM +1000

On 28/05/2015 12:21 PM, Ron D. wrote:
>> blowing a thermal fuse and passing the surge to the equipment and
>> lighting a LED.
 
> A whole house suppressor would not be a bad idea either.
 
**For what purpose? An event that is so incredibly rare that the average
person won't see one in several life-times.
 
The whole 'surge suppressor' industry is a con. It is the only
significant profit area left for retailers of domestic electronic
equipment. Profit margins run to several hundred percent. That said: A
whole house suppressor is a reasonably economical solution to an almost
non-existent problem. It must be fitted by a qualified electrical
contractor.
 
FWIW: The only time I have ever heard of a significant surge on a power
line, was at my previous home, before I moved in. A 5kV railway bearer
fell across the 240VAC mains supply. This was in the early 1970s. It
wiped out the electronic and electrical equipment for several blocks. I
doubt that anything that can be purchased retail can protect against
such a rare event.
 
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gregz <zekor@comcast.net>: May 28 07:02AM


>> A whole house suppressor would not be a bad idea either.
 
> **For what purpose? An event that is so incredibly rare that the average
> person won't see one in several life-times.

Some time after installing a whole house suppressor, we had an instance
where power was going off and on during a storm. A loud crack downstairs,
found suppressor blown. I replaced that one but have not found any other
local supressor faulted that I know of. The model has a lower trip point
voltage to other models I've seen. When I moved in this house the power
company said a surge device was installed and if I wanted to pay monthly
charge. I sad no, but never knew of anybody removing it from the meter,
which would require power interruption.
These things will not help a direct lightning hit.
 
Greg
 
Mark Justice <mark@faux.com>: May 28 09:36AM

On Thu, 28 May 2015 15:22:28 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
 
> wiped out the electronic and electrical equipment for several blocks. I
> doubt that anything that can be purchased retail can protect against
> such a rare event.
 
Not in Florida.
I was checking a Sunbeam frying pan to see if it worked plugging it in in
the garage when kbang.
Tossed across the garage I went to see what was damaged, besides me.
 
Several outlets in the house had carbon scarring around them, the
splitter to the color T.V. was mostly vaporized with just a small piece
of circuit board with the ghostly outlines of parts no longer of the
Earth.
 
The color T.V. worked only as black and white for some weeks when the
color decided to return.
Outside a bruise or three and a short case of the stunned shakes I was
unhurt.
 
Not unusual around these parts to lose equipment due to surges coming in
through the line, YMMV
John-Del <ohger1s@aol.com>: May 28 04:31AM -0700

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 1:24:00 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
 
 
> > A whole house suppressor would not be a bad idea either.
 
> **For what purpose? An event that is so incredibly rare that the average
> person won't see one in several life-times.
 
Every summer we see TVs come in with blown bridge rectifiers and vaporized pc traces. As long as it's confined to the primary side of the power supply it's no big deal. Any fine damaged traces on the secondary means we go no further. My own TV (1991 RCA CTC169) got whacked when I was watching it. Blew everything from the SMPS primary back including circuit traces, and was left with two other issues (odd system control vol/mute function and loss of AV switching).
Tim R <timothy42b@aol.com>: May 28 05:40AM -0700

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 7:31:46 AM UTC-4, John-Del wrote:
 
> > **For what purpose? An event that is so incredibly rare that the average
> > person won't see one in several life-times.
 
> Every summer we see TVs come in with blown bridge rectifiers and vaporized pc traces. As long as it's confined to the primary side of the power supply it's no big deal. Any fine damaged traces on the secondary means we go no further. My own TV (1991 RCA CTC169) got whacked when I was watching it. Blew everything from the SMPS primary back including circuit traces, and was left with two other issues (odd system control vol/mute function and loss of AV switching).
 
Is there any difference in the robustness of the old tube TV versus the flat screen, when it comes to lightning etc.?
John-Del <ohger1s@aol.com>: May 28 06:25AM -0700

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 8:40:10 AM UTC-4, Tim R wrote:
 
 
> Is there any difference in the robustness of the old tube TV versus the flat screen, when it comes to lightning etc.?
 
Only with regard to HDMI ports, which are *very* susceptible to lightning damage. Since the newest generation now does HDMI switching in the main IC which is BGA, damage through the HDMI ports means a new main board. I recommend my customers to use the component inputs when using cable, sat, or IP TV. I haven't seen any damage yet via bluray player.
captainvideo462009@gmail.com: May 27 11:38AM -0700


> "A1 Low
 
> 0 Drive"
 
> I have the complete service manual, and although this error message is mentioned as an important one it does not elaborate on what it might be. It says to call the factory for tech assistance. I'm afraid that ship sailed long ago though. I don't know who might, or even if this unit is still supported anymore. This is admittedly an old unit but a nice one, and I'd really like to get it going. I have some old PRC77 military radios to repair and I could really use this thing. I know that there is a lithium battery inside that could be bad but the book mentions a different code for that fault. Can anyone please help me with this? Thanks, Lenny.
 
I can't find a picture for you either Jeff. There are places to download the nanual but no pictures anywhere. Very odd. Lenny.
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: May 27 11:48AM -0700

On Wed, 27 May 2015 11:38:30 -0700 (PDT), captainvideo462009@gmail.com
wrote:
 
>I can't find a picture for you either Jeff. There are places to download the
>nanual but no pictures anywhere. Very odd. Lenny.
 
If Google can't find it, it doesn't exist.
Welcome to the 21st century.
 
I guess this is the manual. Notice that's it's under the CT Systems
name, not Wavetek. Which does the front panel of yours say?
<http://www.opweb.de/en/model.php?id=9197>
I'll take a look this weekend. Bizzeee with paying work for a few
daze.
 
 
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captainvideo462009@gmail.com: May 28 05:11AM -0700


> "A1 Low
 
> 0 Drive"
 
> I have the complete service manual, and although this error message is mentioned as an important one it does not elaborate on what it might be. It says to call the factory for tech assistance. I'm afraid that ship sailed long ago though. I don't know who might, or even if this unit is still supported anymore. This is admittedly an old unit but a nice one, and I'd really like to get it going. I have some old PRC77 military radios to repair and I could really use this thing. I know that there is a lithium battery inside that could be bad but the book mentions a different code for that fault. Can anyone please help me with this? Thanks, Lenny.
 
Jeff
I think your 3000's must be the predecessors of the 3100. On my front panel in the upper left corner above the scope is a sticker (which is most likely covering up just the name Wavetek). The sticker reads "CT Systems". Then the original number 3100, that was printed on the front panel (which was not covered)is evident.
 
It must have been in the time that Wavetek became CT Systems. I guess that they didn't want to change the tooling for the front panel so they opted for the cheap way out. It's hard to believe that anyone would take over a large company with a prestigious name like Wavetek, and then simply mouse a piece of equipment like this. And then that they'd just keep on selling it as though it was a name change on a toaster. But hey, what do I know anyway?
 
I found this picture. It is of a 5100. According to the book that I have the 5100 was a later slightly improved version of the 3100. The specs may be slightly different however overall it's a very similar piece of equipment. Thanks for looking into this further. Best regards, Lenny
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wavetek-CT-systems-radio-communication-service-monitor-test-set-5100s-/251728648419?nma=true&si=Xd4GdkoPtkK3cThql4NbcjExi3c%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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