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Bill Sudbrink <bill@umsa7.ums.edu>: Aug 28 05:56PM

>do with a JW-3203, JW-3204 or JW-3205. If you have one or more to
>sell, please email:
 
>8bill8 at umsa7 dot umd dot edu
 
I forgot to add, remove the "eight" digits and translate "dot"s and
"at"s.
 
Bill Sudbrink <bill@umsa7.ums.edu>: Aug 28 05:53PM

Hi,
 
I need a few BUD Industries JW-3202 series enclosures. I could make
do with a JW-3203, JW-3204 or JW-3205. If you have one or more to
sell, please email:
 
8bill8 at umsa7 dot umd dot edu
 
By the way, what is with these web sites that offer available stock
of parts and components (there are a couple of sites that offer these
enclosures) but ignore requests for quotes? Are they just not interested
unless you want to buy their whole inventory? Are they some sort of
scam?
 
Thanks,
Bill Sudbrink
Allodoxaphobia <knock_yourself_out@example.net>: Aug 28 07:12PM

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:56:51 +0000 (UTC), Bill Sudbrink wrote:
 
>>8bill8 at umsa7 dot umd dot edu
 
> I forgot to add, remove the "eight" digits and
> translate "dot"s and "at"s.
 
Wll, yah! That was obvious from the true rendereing
of your From: header in the posting.
amdx <nojunk@knology.net>: Aug 29 10:11AM -0500

On 8/28/2015 2:12 PM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
>> translate "dot"s and "at"s.
 
> Well, yah! That was obvious from the true rendering
> of your From: header in the posting.
 
Not a true rendering note, umd vs ums.
 
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N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Aug 29 08:24AM +0100

Unused for a year and then switching on , nasty magnetisation type noise
and "B" 1.2 amp thermal breaker trips out.
This disengages mains Tx secondary middle from ground , via a triac
system crowbar fashion.
Selecting DDT disabled, then amp runs ok. I tried running on a variac at
60% mains, with DDT enabled , to see if it would run and then probe
difference between A and B channels. Ran ok,so turned up variac
progressively, but now even at 100% , amp runs normally.
So presumably a cap somewhere got reformed, how to track down which one?
Other than ESR meter on caps/replacing all,probing for A/B differences,
anyone aware of where a failing cap or more generally zener , opamp or
whatever may lie, in the DDT processing section?
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>: Aug 29 02:33AM -0700

N_Cook wrote:
> and "B" 1.2 amp thermal breaker trips out.
> This disengages mains Tx secondary middle from ground , via a triac
> system crowbar fashion.
 
 
** Nonsense - the triacs are used in a speaker protection crow bar.
 
The power amps use PSU centre taps as speaker outputs - like some QSC amps.
 
 
> Other than ESR meter on caps/replacing all,probing for A/B differences,
> anyone aware of where a failing cap or more generally zener , opamp or
> whatever may lie, in the DDT processing section?
 
** What happened is that ch B produced a large DC offset when switched on, probably due to bad contacts on the many push fit connectors OR maybe a leaky coupling electro somewhere - THEN the triac crow bar activated and shorted the output.
 
 
... Phil
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>: Aug 28 01:17PM -0400

"dusty" <dusty@dot.com>: Aug 28 01:07PM -0500

> There are even DTV converters that have HDMI outputs, they even allow
> recording if you attach a USB flash drive to them.
> Michael
 
That's a great suggestion.
Thank you
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Aug 28 01:51PM -0700


>32 inch Insignia flat screen TV.
 
I guess it doesn't have a model number. Could you be a little less
vague?
 
>My big feet tripped over the antenna cable, ripping out
>the input where the cable screws on.
 
Next time, use a push on F connector or adapter. It's a common
problem. Power cords and phono jacks are protected by easily
disconnecting.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=push+on+f+connector+adapter&tbm=isch>
 
>I attached a link to some pictures.
>https://www.dropbox.com/sh/610z20tqny4wocy/AABqKX-ycqKAAsRqYXoykuVEa?dl=0
>Thanks for any information.
 
I think anyone that knows which end of the soldering iron to grap can
probably put Humpty Dumpty back together again. It's mostly a matter
of your carrying the TV to the repair person or shop, removing the
shield can, doing whatever it takes to resolder the connector, putting
it back together, and check for other common problems (i.e. bulging
caps). I would guess about 30-45 mins work and testing, assuming you
don't need any other repairs. All your photos are out of focus and
too far away, so I can't be more specific. Looks like the center pad
might have ripped off, so there will be some PCB trace work involved.
For cost, just ask for how much shop time costs.
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"dusty" <dusty@dot.com>: Aug 28 06:00PM -0500

> >32 inch Insignia flat screen TV.
> I guess it doesn't have a model number. Could you be a little less
> vague?
 
model # NS-L32Q-10A
 
> too far away, so I can't be more specific. Looks like the center pad
> might have ripped off, so there will be some PCB trace work involved.
> For cost, just ask for how much shop time costs.
 
Inside the shiny square box, where the connector is ripped out,
the small circuit board is broken in several places. Sorry the
pictures weren't better. I'll call around and see if someone can
fix it. I wouldn't be surprised if I have to drive 100 miles to find
someone who can fix it.
 
Those slip on connectors are a good idea.
 
 
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Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Aug 28 04:39PM -0700

>> I guess it doesn't have a model number. Could you be a little less
>> vague?
 
>model # NS-L32Q-10A
 
You can buy the tuner can and just drop (or solder) it in place.
Search eBay and other sources for the number on the tuner.
 
Or, just replace the entire board:
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/371414946277>
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/281659047280>
or others for more money.
 
>Inside the shiny square box, where the connector is ripped out,
>the small circuit board is broken in several places. Sorry the
>pictures weren't better.
 
If the board is cracked, it might be possible to epoxy it back
together, and solder the traces back together. However, if the traces
and cracks extend under components, there may be othe damage. Since
this might easily be a waste of time, it's probably best to replace
the tuner can, or the entire board.
 
>I'll call around and see if someone can
>fix it. I wouldn't be surprised if I have to drive 100 miles to find
>someone who can fix it.
 
Have the replacement main board shipped to you via UPS, USPS, Fedex,
etc. Much easier than driving 100 miles. I don't think there will be
any soldering if your replace the entire main board. Just connector
juggling. Be sure to take a photo of what it looks like before you
start as mixing up connectors, shields, brackets, and hardware is not
a good idea.
 
>Those slip on connectors are a good idea.
 
Yep. I wish they made something similar for RJ45 (ethernet)
connectors. Good luck with the repair.
 
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"dusty" <dusty@dot.com>: Aug 29 02:05AM -0500

> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
wow, eBay has everything. I'll order a board after I check the
exact part number I need. I ordered some slip connectors.
You've helped me a lot, I appreciate it very much.
 
Thank you
Dusty
Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com>: Aug 28 06:51PM


> ** There are certainly many SMPSs with start up modes that create brutal current surges for the switching mosfet or mosfets. The electros on the secondary side of the switching tranny present a near short until charged and there has to be some effective means built into the circuitry to limit peak currents until this happens.
 
> Using a variac, it is sometimes possible to find a setting where the PSU attempts to start, surges repeatedly, but cannot successfully run - likely because the secondary voltage does not rise enough for the control loop to stabilise.
 
> Reckon it is wise to avoid lingering at such a setting.
 
Television sets (with CRT) really don't like brownouts either.
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