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lsmartino <luismartino76@gmail.com>: Jan 16 07:39AM -0800

El martes, 15 de diciembre de 2015, 15:34:55 (UTC-4:30), John-Del escribió:
> This has an ESMT logo and F25L32QA on one line and D301W on another. Googling only returns hits for programmers that can read and write to it, but no place to buy and no info for a sub. Anybody have any ideas? Even Alibaba returns zero hits (odd).
 
Is this of any help? It is a listing for the EEPROM you are lloikg for at Aliexpress. They sell a lot of 20 at just 12.54 US$
 
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-shipping-F25L32QAS1DM-package-SOP8-F25L32QA-ensure-original/1090533_32475780867.html
 
And just in case, here is the dataseet for the EEPROM:
 
http://www.esmt.com.tw/DB/manager/upload/F25L32QA%282S%29.pdf
 
Good luck!
Look165 <look165@numericable.fr>: Jan 16 05:42PM +0100

Any 2532 memory should be OK
 
Just check the frequency (100MUz) and the casing !
 
But it's a very old "museum" component.
 
 
lsmartino a écrit :
Randy Day <randy.day@sasktel.netx>: Jan 15 11:01AM -0600

In article <n7aii3$idd$1@dont-email.me>, ham789@netzero.net says...
 
[snip]
 
> All his samples were rigid.
> Unknown whether he could make the bottom section springy enough
> to effect a pushbutton spring.
 
One of the guys at the makerspace brought
in some NinjaFlex 3D filament. It is quite
flexible, and a test cube was quite spongy.
I have no data on how durable it would be
in the OP's application, though.
 
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Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jan 15 11:15AM -0800

On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 17:11:25 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
 
>Although it's made for making flex molds, it's also the right stuff
>for making fairly hard rubber buttons, gaskets, shock mounts, seals,
>etc.
 
Oops. The Devcon Flexane 94 is probably too hard and stiff for your
rubber button that has to bend and act as a spring:
<http://oi65.tinypic.com/14xdmo3.jpg>
Something more like RTV (silicone rubber) will be more flexible. I
have a Shore A Durometer (rubber hardness meter) and can measure a few
random rubber buttons and see what's appropriate. Well, the assorted
TV remote controls run 53 to 60. Various other rubber buttons vary
from 50 to 65. All my music keyboards have hard plastic buttons, so
that's not going to work.
 
I found a part I had made using Flexane 94, which shows 85, so that's
much to hard to flex. I don't have something handy that will work,
but I'll do some catalog searching this weekend. Offhand, I would
suspect that bathroom caulk, rain gutter seal, or other commonly
available silicone rubber compound might work but might also be too
soft (typically 25 to 30 durometers). Structural silicone might be
harder. Digging:
<http://www.siliconeforbuilding.com/pdf/structuralglazing/Data_Sheet_SSG4000_UltraGlaze.pdf>
Argh... only 39.
 
These might help:
"Using Silicone Caulk as a Mold Material"
<http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1472166/using-silicone-caulk-as-a-mold-material>
 
Durometer Hardness Scales:
<http://www.paramountind.com/pdfs/paramount_durometer_scale_guide.pdf>
 
MasterBond Adhesive hardness:
<http://www.masterbond.com/properties/hardness>
 
 
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dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt): Jan 15 11:30AM -0800

In article <EI2my.44923$Wj7.3205@fx33.am4>,
 
>Is there a tried and trusted way of adding a conductive contact pad?
 
For what it's worth: I've had pretty good luck restoring conductive
pads using a product called Neolube #2. It's a water/alcohol
suspension of extremely fine graphite, with a small amount of a
thermoplastic resin (possibly cellulose acetate?) as a binder. It can
be applied with a fine brush or Q-tip.
 
I recently purchased a bunch of surplus Kenwood UHF mobile radios.
About half of them had intermittent or non-working keys on the molded
keypads. The pad sheet had originally been made with some sort of
sprayed-on or molded-on conductive coating, and I could see where it
had been worn off the keys in question (the rubber was shiny and I
could actually see the shapes of the corresponding PC-board traces).
 
Cleaned with alcohol, painted on a couple of thin coats of Neolube,
and they work fine.
 
I can't swear as to how long it will hold, but Neolube seems to have a
respectable "grip" on the surfaces I've painted it onto. Its info
sheet is interesting... they talk about how its carbon is so pure than
neutron activation of contaminants isn't an issue, and so it's rated
for use in nuclear reactors.
"Gareth Magennis" <sound.service@btconnect.com>: Jan 15 08:38PM

"Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message news:20160115082713.452@kylheku.com...
 
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
> ---
 
 
> Thanks, might give that a go.
 
Look, you quoted Jeff without using the correct > characters,
*including his signature*, and put your reply after the signature!
 
Without the > characters, it looks like your posting is a plagiarism
of Jeff.
 
When I went to reply to you, your entire reply disappeared, because
your reply looks like an extension of Jeff's signature, and a proper news
client removes everything after the "-- " signature mark when you reply. I
had
to copy and paste the above from the terminal.
 
Please use Usenet correctly or FOAD.
 
 
 
 
 
 
I would direct your juvenile rantings to Microsoft instead.
It is they who have made Live Mail do this, and they won't fix it.
 
 
Most of us seem able to cope with this though.
John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Jan 15 12:48PM -0800

On 01/15/2016 11:30 AM, Dave Platt wrote:
> sheet is interesting... they talk about how its carbon is so pure than
> neutron activation of contaminants isn't an issue, and so it's rated
> for use in nuclear reactors.
 
I can't find a distributor in Canada for Neolube, however MG Chemicals
makes a product for renewing rubber contracts:
 
http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/prototyping-and-circuit-repair/circuit-repair/rubber-keypad-repair-kit-8339/
 
Available in Vancouver from Main Electronics and RP Electronics.
 
Not cheaper than the US stuff...
 
In the US you can get it from Micro-Mart:
 
http://www.micromark.com/neolube-2-fl-oz,8383.html
 
John :-#)#
 
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dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt): Jan 15 01:19PM -0800

In article <a4ednQUhGuOXxgTLnZ2dnUU7-eGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 
>I can't find a distributor in Canada for Neolube, however MG Chemicals
>makes a product for renewing rubber contracts:
 
The lawyers might have something to say about enforceability in that
case :-)
 
>In the US you can get it from Micro-Mart:
 
>http://www.micromark.com/neolube-2-fl-oz,8383.html
 
That's where I got mine.
 
Warning: for a tools junkie, the Micro-Mark catalog is dangerous.
whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>: Jan 15 02:22PM -0800

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 2:47:08 AM UTC-8, mike wrote:
 
> There's a guy who shows up at local ham radio swapmeets and sells
> radio attachment gizmos.
> He has a 3D printer and claims to be willing and able to make custom gizmos.
 
It ain't quick, but you could digitize the shape of an ideal key set, get a 3D print of
its upper and lower surfaces (actually, just the lower surface is critical, the upper
can be done with hand tools), and mold your own key sheet.
If left-side and right-side match, you can (with care) dupe a left-side sheet,
building molds by (if necessary) bronzing the model item.
 
It'd be easier to get an off-the-shelf product, but most manufacturers (google on
"elastomer kepad" aren't big on stocked items.
 
<http://www.eecoswitch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/ElastomerKeypads.pdf>
 
So, are there any similar keypads on any items that have spare-parts departments?
"Gareth Magennis" <sound.service@btconnect.com>: Jan 15 10:39PM

"whit3rd" wrote in message
news:316ad299-e7a3-4c21-a2bb-29605ef4b3f4@googlegroups.com...
 
On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 2:47:08 AM UTC-8, mike wrote:
> radio attachment gizmos.
> He has a 3D printer and claims to be willing and able to make custom
> gizmos.
 
It ain't quick, but you could digitize the shape of an ideal key set, get a
3D print of
its upper and lower surfaces (actually, just the lower surface is critical,
the upper
can be done with hand tools), and mold your own key sheet.
If left-side and right-side match, you can (with care) dupe a left-side
sheet,
building molds by (if necessary) bronzing the model item.
 
It'd be easier to get an off-the-shelf product, but most manufacturers
(google on
"elastomer kepad" aren't big on stocked items.
 
<http://www.eecoswitch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/ElastomerKeypads.pdf>
 
So, are there any similar keypads on any items that have spare-parts
departments?
 
 
 
 
 
 
Yes, that is exactly the question here.
 
I need to cannibalise a contemporary keypad assembly that has conductive
pads at least 5mm diameter.
 
Failing that, I need to make my own rubber knobs, and somehow incorporate
conductive rubber 5mm pads to operate the PCB switch pads.
 
 
 
I don't think this is actually possible in any kind of reasonable
time/effort scale.
 
 
 
Gareth.
Look165 <look165@numericable.fr>: Jan 15 11:53PM +0100

First, clean the PCB with domestic alcool or the good old KF from
Siceront KF (Now F2).
Second, rip the keys contacts with fine abrasive so it is clean.
Third apply some (silver) conductive ink (Microworks for instance).
 
It's done (let dry 10mn).
 
I did it for a TV remote control and it works perfectly.
 
The more simple is often the best !
 
Contacts are around 0.1 ohm !
 
Gareth Magennis a écrit :
Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com>: Jan 16 06:53AM

> I would direct your juvenile rantings to Microsoft instead.
> It is they who have made Live Mail do this, and they won't fix it.
 
Using Live Mail even though it sucks and you know it is *your* choice.
Why *should* they fix it when hordes of lemmings will use a free piece
of crap as-is? You're the reason they won't fix it.
 
The responsibility for conforming to Usenet guidelines is yours alone;
you can't deliberately use some program you know is broken and blame
it on the programmers.
 
*That* is juvenile; a seven-year-old can easily be found who has a more
sophisticated view of the world than this.
N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Jan 16 10:32AM

On 15/01/2016 08:24, N_Cook wrote:
 
> What is the minimum resistance/mm of gap required?
 
Is it simple on/off contacts or is change of R monitored for key "action"
N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Jan 15 05:43PM

Removed the 2 sub base eye shaped pieces and loads of screws.
The two leg struts will separate with a blade but the split extends no
further with the size of blade I'm (so far) prepared to lever with, 2
seaparate the 2 main sections of the ring casing.
Model number 1012?, 700 0050 ?
"Gareth Magennis" <sound.service@btconnect.com>: Jan 16 12:12AM

"N_Cook" wrote in message news:n7batt$gku$2@dont-email.me...
 
Removed the 2 sub base eye shaped pieces and loads of screws.
The two leg struts will separate with a blade but the split extends no
further with the size of blade I'm (so far) prepared to lever with, 2
seaparate the 2 main sections of the ring casing.
Model number 1012?, 700 0050 ?
 
 
 
 
 
New one, warranty, 60 quid.
Clearly not designed to be repaired.
 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/JBL-Radial-Black-Euro-PSU/dp/B000K20L4I
 
 
 
 
Gareth.
N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Jan 16 08:38AM

On 16/01/2016 00:12, Gareth Magennis wrote:
 
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/JBL-Radial-Black-Euro-PSU/dp/B000K20L4I
 
> Gareth.
 
Elsewhere I read
"To further disassemble the unit, you have to remove the mesh screen on
the back side of the unit, then you can access the screws that hold the
two halves of the donut together. I was able to do that by prying on the
bottom edge with a knife. The screen is glued in place and has some
little tabs as well."
I think I can interpret what that means, and will reattack later today
N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Jan 16 10:30AM

The pedastal stuff with obvious screws is just a blinder.
On the upright rear face of the donut, warm and remove a piece of chrome
trim at the bottom. Get a dart point in the corner after heating the
perforated metal grill with hot air and prize off. Go around the the
whole mesh like that and when that is removed 18 large screws hold the 2
main parts of the donut casing together.
Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com>: Jan 14 11:00PM

> So, the operating system is W2K, the copies boot up fine, they just
> won't run the Baker code.
 
Can you describe what you're doing? So this is a sector-level backup.
So, the serial volume ID is the same, right?
 
C:\Users\kaz>dir
Volume in drive C is Local Disk
Volume Serial Number is 5E2C-F3E2
^^^^^^^^^ <-- this
 
How are you booting the copies? Are you swapping hard drives into the
same AWA unit? If so, it could be that the software is licensed to the
hard drive serial number. (Not the above Windows volume ID).
John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Jan 15 10:15AM -0800

On 01/14/2016 3:00 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
 
> How are you booting the copies? Are you swapping hard drives into the
> same AWA unit? If so, it could be that the software is licensed to the
> hard drive serial number. (Not the above Windows volume ID).
 
It turns out I just wasn't waiting long enough for the IDE copier to
finish the job. I now have working backup/archive drives. If there is a
serial number it has been copied over.
 
Thanks for getting back to me though!
 
John :-#)#
 
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Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com>: Jan 15 06:24PM

> It turns out I just wasn't waiting long enough for the IDE copier to
> finish the job.
 
Why not? What is the nature of the feedback you get from the copier
about progress/completion, and how did you eventually realize the
mistake?
John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Jan 15 11:21AM -0800

On 01/15/2016 10:24 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
 
> Why not? What is the nature of the feedback you get from the copier
> about progress/completion, and how did you eventually realize the
> mistake?
 
I wasn't that familiar with my copier - just bought it, and the
operators manual does not tell you much about the operation of it.
Nothing on the error messages, nor did it mention that it shows "Copying
Down, power Down" 12 HOURS after it shows 100% copying 40GB drives.
 
It is a CSC HDS4000 IDE drive copier.
 
I've asked the factory if they have any more info on the duplicator that
they are willing to share, but considering that this was made in the 90s
they may not have anything left other than the operators manual PDF.
 
John :-#)#
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N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Jan 15 05:40PM

For holding, through grommets, reverb tank to steel chassis, so not the
usual small ones for DSP boards etc. You cannot reinsert, blind, as the
4 splay bits are permanently splayed out.
Find a metal plate with holes the size to push each rivet in, to close
back the 4 splays, then old soldering iron and hotmelt glue the 4 together.
Reinsert through grommets and chassis, then the closer rivet, with more
force than usual to break the hotmelt .
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