Digest for sci.electronics.repair@googlegroups.com - 22 updates in 8 topics

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>: Apr 02 11:42PM -0400

> > As far as I know, they dropped support for every product that used that
> > terminal, as well.
 
> Send them to Fluke. Betcha you will be pleasantly surprised.
 
Fluke used to sell replacement battery packs, so there was no
warranty. These did not damage anything, they simply loose the ability
to take a charge of the decades. The problem is that you can not use
the meter from AC, since the battery powered version has an inverter
that needs the NiCads on the input side to operate. Look at the
schematic of a model 8050, and read the manula where it warns you not to
use that version with dead or missing battery packs.
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>: Apr 03 12:11AM -0400

John Robertson wrote:
 
> http://en-us.fluke.com/support/warranties/
 
> My 1980s vintage Fluke test gear 9100s, 9010s, etc., is long past their
> lifetime warranty.
 
 
Otherwise, they would still have to support old vacuum tube based
equipment that they built in 1948. They don't even list the manual for
my Fluke 8050 meters. Luckily, several free archive sites have it in
PDF.
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Apr 02 09:38PM -0700

On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 23:42:14 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>that needs the NiCads on the input side to operate. Look at the
>schematic of a model 8050, and read the manula where it warns you not to
>use that version with dead or missing battery packs.
 
Thanks. You just explained why my 8050a was acting rather oddly on
AC. When I replaced the battery pack, it magically started working
correctly. I was guessing a loose wire or component, but never
suspected that anything required a working battery:
<http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=fluke+8050a+battery>
I guess I should have read the manual.
 
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>: Apr 03 12:57AM -0400

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> suspected that anything required a working battery:
> <http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=fluke+8050a+battery>
> I guess I should have read the manual.
 
 
You're welcome. I wish the Fluke 8920/8921/8922 true RMS meters (20
MHz upper limit) were as easy to repair and calibrate. I used one at
Microdyne, so I bought one for myself a few years ago. Being able to set
0 dB where you want it, makes gain calculations easy.
John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Apr 02 10:47PM -0700

On 04/02/2016 9:11 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> equipment that they built in 1948. They don't even list the manual for
> my Fluke 8050 meters. Luckily, several free archive sites have it in
> PDF.
 
True enough, Fluke (for one) doesn't appear to mind that folks post
their older technical manuals for obsolete equipment. I've hosted their
manuals for almost two decades with no issues at all (Fluke 9010 and
9100 stuff). Data I/O is another, in fact most of the respectable
technical tools company seem to implicitly support the dissemination of
their older info to keep these devices running...
 
John :-#)#
 
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jurb6006@gmail.com: Apr 03 07:42AM -0700

Glad my 8050A doesn't have batteries.
jurb6006@gmail.com: Apr 03 07:47AM -0700

>"I wish the Fluke 8920/8921/8922 true RMS meters (20
>MHz upper limit) were as easy to repair and calibrate."
 
Holy chit, 20 MHz ? I don't even want to know what those things cost.
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>: Apr 02 11:30PM -0400


> > Have you seen these adapters?
 
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/171829811403
 
> I have. Sadly, it was the south end where the color-coding never took, not the north end.
 
 
I bought them for the workbench, i really don't care that they are
color coded like other adapters I have that are the wrong voltage. A
cable connected to a 0-20V 3A HP 6253A power supply on the bench lets me
power almost any DC powered device to see if it works, or to repair the
ones that don't. No need to modify an existing supply, just to see if
something works. :)
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>: Apr 02 10:22PM -0700

> the closest thing to a super-conductor at any reasonable operating
> temperature as exists in nature, much better than copper (or gold),
> and so such fuses ought to be considered.
 
** Silver is only 6% more conductive than copper, has the same tempco of resistance and a lower melting point. A silver or copper wire fuse increases its resistance by at least 4 times before opening.
 
OTOH, a tin fuse with a far lower melting point than either, increases in resistance by less than double before opening. Often made as a flat strip with a neck in the middle, they are semi slow-blow too.
 
Fine for loudspeakers.
 
 
.... Phil
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>: Apr 02 10:30PM -0700

Trevor Wilson wrote:
 
> increases, as current increases. It acts as a non-linear resistor. The
> ONLY place for a fuse is before filter capacitors in an amplifier. In
> the DC lines, or the speaker lines, fuses introduce distortion ...
 
** On the DC lines there is always lots of 100Hz ripple AND *half wave* signal voltage imposed on the wiring and filter cap ESR - which the PSRR of the amp rejects anyhow.
 
 
> This is electronics 101.
 
** Only on planet Wilson.
 
 
.... Phil
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>: Apr 03 12:13AM -0400

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
 
> > A loose count? ;-)
 
> Freudian slip. I'm only being chased by a few loose women.
> Remind me to have a talk with my proof reader.
 
 
Be happy that you don't live near 'The Villages'.
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Apr 02 09:31PM -0700

On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 00:13:05 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
 
>> Freudian slip. I'm only being chased by a few loose women.
>> Remind me to have a talk with my proof reader.
 
> Be happy that you don't live near 'The Villages'.
 
This one in Florida?
<https://www.thevillages.com>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Villages,_Florida>
I'm old enough to collect socialist security, but not quite old enough
to want or need a retirement community. If it's anything like a US
version of "Midsomer Murders", where homicidal geriatric players act
like testosterone powered teenagers, it's not for me. I'm quite happy
to continue my life of decadence and debauchery without being
surrounding by a community of like minded individuals.
 
 
 
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>: Apr 03 12:51AM -0400

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> like testosterone powered teenagers, it's not for me. I'm quite happy
> to continue my life of decadence and debauchery without being
> surrounding by a community of like minded individuals.
 
 
They brag about their golf courses, amateur radio clubs and computer
clubs, along with about 100 other private clubs. The place is crawling
with old women looking for a man. I live about 10 miles away, and I hate
to even go to the grocery store. When a woman calls you a youngster,
and you are in your mid 60s, it's time to flee!
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>: Apr 03 12:47AM -0400

> cannot put more than 80psi into it, so they remain
> as backup sources. Someday I will stop this tank
> nonsense and just buy a small electric compressor.
 
 
I have a portable compressor from Harbor Freight, and a 240 VAC 60
gallon industrial compressor and tank in my garage. If I cant reach
something with 100 feet of air hose, I use the portable compressor. I
like to clean the dust and crud out of equipment before it goes into the
shop or into my house.
 
This is the type of portable I have. I caught it on sale for $40.
Then the 60 gallon compressor was given to me when a business moved and
it already had a pair of three phase compressors with 120 gallon tanks.
 
<http://www.harborfreight.com/1-3-hp-3-gallon-100-psi-oilless-air-compressor-97080.html>
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>: Apr 03 12:31AM -0400

> activities my expectant folks were engaged in
> back in the late '60s, and some choice names
> my Dad coined me post-toddler-hood.
 
 
I had health problems from an early age, so I spent a lot of time
reading and experimenting since I couldn't play in any sport. I was born
in the early '50s, when poorly trained doctors continued to prescribe
DES to pregnant women in the false belief that it prevented
miscarriages. It caused many health issues in the children, like my life
long problem with infections. The last one required a trip to the
hospital. I was also born with poor eyesight, and have worn glasses
since elementary school. I now have to sit about 12 inches from a 24"
monitor to see what I'm typing. :(
 
I taught Boolean Algebra to myself, to be able to write software to
track the C band birds. tHe program asked for your Latitude & Longitude,
then it printed out a two page report with the Azimuth and Elevation for
every bird you could see from your location. The program let you enter
your name, so the report stated, Prepared by:----- ---- to make people
think it came from an engineering service.
 
The Commodore 64 didn't have several functions I needed, so I had to
create them, as well. I always enjoyed a challenge, and often got what
others had given up on. That is why I have seen so many odd conditions
in equipment, in the last 55 years.
 
I was a Nerd, long before it was cool. :)
bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>: Apr 02 03:03PM -0400

LCD display having issues:
 
http://tinyurl.com/jovnnra
 
Dead pixels, corroded/dirty ribbon cable contacts, or something else?
whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>: Apr 02 02:47PM -0700

On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 12:03:51 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
> LCD display having issues:
 
> http://tinyurl.com/jovnnra
 
> Dead pixels, corroded/dirty ribbon cable contacts, or something else?
 
Doesn't look like dead pixels, more likely a logic corruption. The wrong letter, maybe just
a weak bit in whatever holds the program memory. Start looking at the power supply
(hey, it's a WEAK bit, could just be low battery).
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Apr 02 04:23PM -0700

On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 14:47:35 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
 
>Doesn't look like dead pixels, more likely a logic corruption. The wrong letter, maybe just
>a weak bit in whatever holds the program memory. Start looking at the power supply
>(hey, it's a WEAK bit, could just be low battery).
 
I agree. Check the power supply voltage.
 
My guess(tm) is that the display has a COB (chip on board) that has a
broken wire bond and the display needs to be replaced. Just touching
the blob of epoxy is sometimes enough to trash a wirebond and missing
pixels cannot be produced by data errors between the synth and the
display.
 
1601 displays are quite common and cheap, but not with EL
backlighting. If you're going to replace it with an LED backlighting
version, you'll need to:
1. Check the thickness of the display as they do vary and may not
fit.
2. Disarm, disconnected, and possibly remove the EL high voltage
power supply.
3. Find a way to power the backlighting. Some run on 5.0V, some
bring out just the diodes and need a series resistor, and I ended up
with one that wants 4.4VDC.
 
I thought it was easy, but it took me several evenings to replace the
display:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/Korg_DSS-1/>
 
 
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com>: Apr 02 11:24PM -0500

bitrex wrote:
 
> LCD display having issues:
 
> http://tinyurl.com/jovnnra
 
> Dead pixels, corroded/dirty ribbon cable contacts, or something else?
Yes, that looks like a ribbon-zebra-LCD contact problem. Carefully
dismantling the assembly, cleaning the LCD and ribbon contacts and then
getting it back together is risky, but then it isn't working now, so not
that much to lose.
 
Jon
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>: Apr 03 12:14AM -0400

Gunther Heiko Hagen wrote:
 
> > Then explain why Florida has started farming hops instead of oranges,
> > in many places.
 
> For export, of course.
 
 
Wrong! They are being sold to micro breweries in the United States.
Johann Klammer <klammerj@NOSPAM.a1.net>: Apr 02 08:18PM +0200

On 04/02/2016 05:04 AM, Clark Higgins wrote:
 
> I just noticed that my router reports a constant barrage of hits from:
 
> [DoS attack: Teardrop] attack packets in last 20 sec from ip [153.224.226.205], Friday, Apr 01,2016 19:58:28
 
> Any idea what's going on?
 
do you know anyone in japan?
 
```
$ whois 153.224.226.205
[ JPNIC database provides information regarding IP address and ASN. Its use ]
[ is restricted to network administration purposes. For further information, ]
[ use 'whois -h whois.nic.ad.jp help'. To only display English output, ]
[ add '/e' at the end of command, e.g. 'whois -h whois.nic.ad.jp xxx/e'. ]
 
Network Information:
a. [Network Number] 153.224.128.0/17
b. [Network Name] OCN
g. [Organization] Open Computer Network
m. [Administrative Contact] JP00009614
n. [Technical Contact] JP00009427
p. [Nameserver] ns-kg001.ocn.ad.jp
p. [Nameserver] ns-kn001.ocn.ad.jp
[Assigned Date] 2014/09/04
[Return Date]
[Last Update] 2014/09/04 15:11:04(JST)

Less Specific Info.
----------
NTT COMMUNICATIONS CORPORATION
[Allocation] 153.128.0.0-153.253.255.255
 
More Specific Info.
----------
No match!!
```
Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid>: Apr 02 07:58PM +0100

On 02/04/16 04:04, Clark Higgins wrote:
 
> I just noticed that my router reports a constant barrage of hits from:
 
> [DoS attack: Teardrop] attack packets in last 20 sec from ip [153.224.226.205], Friday, Apr 01,2016 19:58:28
 
> Any idea what's going on?
 
The fact that your router is reporting it means that your routers
firewall is working. So no real panic.
 
However, if it still is going on, probably easiest to acquire a
different IP address from your ISP connection. This may be as simple as
restarting your router, but obviously if you have a static / sticky
address then this won't apply.
 
--
Adrian C
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