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N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: May 12 02:56PM +0100

Owner switched on, blue led came on as normal , but between that and 20
seconds grabbing guitar lead, had blown the mains fuse, no input, usual
load. No problem in previous use, may be a drop in volume , as for the
last month had to use 6 instead of 4 on the volume, but uses different
cabs so cannot be certain of that.
Both IRFP27N60K ohmic low all round. With trade mark ground off 8pin
SMPS supervisor, from combined effort here a few years ago, probably
IR2153 ,if like the other flavors of these amps.
Any view as to what would cause this sort of failure? and pre-emptive
mod around the supervisor circuit?
I don't like the great thick slabs of ceramic insulator pads, should be
used on bathroom splash-backs IMHO , not heat conductors.
The main amps not checked over yet.
N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: May 12 04:30PM +0100

1 of 3 of each n and p type paralleled audio powerFETs gone ohmic all
round, IRFP240 and IRFP9240.
So a month ago 1 failed then the other soon after, both failing safe and
non-functional? then both going shorted at the last power-up?
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: May 11 08:30PM -0700

>8 years ago and I misplaced one of the screws, but if you want the other
>two, they're yours. I'm on the east coast so it'll be a week.
>John
 
Thanks. Got the screws today. They fit nicely in the 8060A. However,
there's a bit of an oddity here.
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/Fluke%208060a/Fluke-screws.jpg>
The Model 85 screws fit in the 8060A, but the original screws (as
borrowed from an 8024A) are a bit different. Notice the double
spiral, the different pitch, and that the 8024a screw is a bit larger
diameter. Which style does your 8060A use?
 
Incidentally, when I removed the 40 pin chip from its socket, I found
that some of the socket contacts had gotten wet and started to
corrode. I've also got an offset on most scales thanks to leakage
across the PCB. Looks like I'll be replacing the socket with
something better, and giving the PCB an alcohol rubdown.
 
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
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ohger1s@gmail.com: May 12 08:15AM -0700

On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 11:30:18 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> borrowed from an 8024A) are a bit different. Notice the double
> spiral, the different pitch, and that the 8024a screw is a bit larger
> diameter. Which style does your 8060A use?
 
The screws from my IBM 8060A are the double helix. The screws I sent you did not actually come from my 85, but from a newer 77. When asking around if anyone had any dead Flukes (trying to locate that p-jfet for my 85), I was given a 77 that was blasted by a microwave oven. The 77 didn't have the jfet I needed so I ended up fixing the 77 and returning it to the donator as a gift, but not before swapping the screws with some generic screws I had as payment :). Those I sent to you because there were three and I only had two from the 85. Whew!
 
 
> corrode. I've also got an offset on most scales thanks to leakage
> across the PCB. Looks like I'll be replacing the socket with
> something better, and giving the PCB an alcohol rubdown.
 
When I removed the chip from the socket, I found there was no corrosion evident but two of the tangs in the socket came apart, so I ordered a new socket and put the repair on hold until it arrives.
 
John
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: May 11 08:15PM -0700


> Q5 is: how to label wires that is of what material n print substance ?
 
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/Label%20Makers.jpg>
Make me rich and it's all yours. I had to label what I would guess
was about 500 cables at an ISP many years ago. The two Kroy machines
will print on shrink tube, which I decided was the easiest and best
way.
 
> is there a preferred tape and ink ?
 
All inks fade, rub off, or take too long to dry. What you want are
Kroy thermal transfer labels for marking wires.
<http://www.kroy.com/thermal/index.htm>
 
> we tried 3M 33 and the felts bought at Wal but the ink fell off ...
 
After the ink falls of, the pressure senitive glue will either melt or
evaporate. Then, the black electrical tape will fall off. Same thing
happens with most other sticky tapes when they get hot.
 
> masking tape is visually borderline gack .....coating the area with linseed..
 
Masking tape has the amazing ability to ossify and fall off, leaving
the ultimate sticky mess behind on the wire.
 
> any ideas ?
 
Yeah. Since I know you're not going to run out and spend a pile of
money on a proper thermal label maker, I have a cheaper trick that
I've used with good success. Make your label on a cheap thermal label
maker, such as Dymo LetraTag:
<http://www.dymo.com/en-US/letratag-plus-lt-100h-silver-label-maker>
I have 3 of them, not counting the one's I dropped, threw against a
brick wall, or ran over with my Subaru. Make sure you use the plastic
labels, not the paper labels.
<http://www.dymo.com/en-US/lt-plastic-labels-1-2-in>
Print whatever and stick the label on the wire. Then, wrap it with
Scotch transparent tape. 3/4" wide if possible. It thinks this is
the stuff:
<http://www.scotchbrand.com/3M/en_US/scotch-brand/products/catalog/~/Scotch-Transparent-Tape-Refill-Rolls?N=4335+3294529207+3294603591&rt=rud>
Not the translucent crap that allegedly looks clear after it's
applied, but the stuff that's clear on the roll. I'll check the
product name and number next time I visit Office Max.
 
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Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
avagadro7@gmail.com: May 12 04:46AM -0700

On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 4:18:11 PM UTC-4, Tim R wrote:
 
> Some stupid questions are easily googled. Used the term "wire marker."
 
> There are thousands of sites like this:
> http://www.cableorganizer.com/cable-identification/
 
wire markers ! a winner.
 
the Dymo is a surprise.....now what's needed at that price is a transeaver dymo...point n shoot get the wire and local schematic....then press A for the total effective schematic with problem areas.
 
at $35
mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike): May 12 01:44PM +0100

In article <c3s7jblmjis99t8ogcc29mgeloi6no88vm@4ax.com>,
>Dymo LetraTag:
>Make sure you use the plastic labels, not the paper labels.
>Then, wrap it with Scotch transparent tape.
 
Have done all these three. Great little units ...
 
Warning. Some plastic surfaces interact with labels over time.
 
I have some labels where the background has darkened, so instead
of black on white, it's black on very dark grey.
 
Weirder, black on yellow has reversed to be dull yellow on brown!
 
This is not a heat issue, the labelling is on the plastic body
of 1/4" jack plugs -- is it the plasticisers?
 
And also on a white plastic 4-way socket strip, made of flexible
plastic, same darkening. Unaffected on hard/brittle strips in the
same location.
 
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legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>: May 11 10:15PM -0500

kikisui PAD-L series PSU schematics aren't in the normal
documentation, but are floating around somewhere. Anyone with
a copy they'd care to share. Model PAD55-10L specifically,
but the series has basically the same control electronics.
 
RL
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>: May 11 12:53PM -0500

On Wed, 11 May 2016 10:25:07 -0400 (EDT), bitrex
>H when either the START switch S5 or the STOP switch S6 is turned
> ON,and goes to L when the switch set to ON is turned
> OFF."
 
OK. A confusing description of the switch functions.
 
There is some funny drawing of connections around the footswitch
socket J3, so that it's not obvious what plug-free operation is
expected. Hardwiring the output of IC3 pin 4 to J3 pin6 would
temporarily overstress the IC every time the start switch was pressed.
If this connection is expected, then a latching function could be
expected of the start switch alone.
 
Q15 is normally saturated. It should turn on shortly after application
of power and remain on. (C41 effect)
 
Without the shorted wiring in J3, both start and stop switches should
produce a temporary turn-off of Q15, allowing a longish positive-going
pulse on it's collector, and a shorter negative-going pulse on
normally-off Q16 collector (IC1-R/W).
 
If Q15 is off, with collector high for any length of time, then you
would need to check what is preventing it from turning on normally.
 
With the J3 connection, a start button push will latch Q15 low without
producing a R/W pulse, and a stop button push will unlatch Q15 to
produce a R/W pulse.
 
If that's what you see on the collectors of these two transistors,
then there's nothing wrong with this section, if amplitudes and timing
are CMOS compatible. You need to scope with high-z x10 scope
probes(~10meg z).
 
possible faults
R85 hi z
Q18 short/leaky
R87 hi z
Q17 leaky
C45, C43, C41 leaky or backwards
 
After high humidity storage, you should check higher-value resistors
for drift and all preset resistors for wiper and terminal contact.
 
You must use real 15V 4011 types for IC3, not HC or other 5V logic
types, when replacing it.
 
I'm not sure what sort of noise is expected when single stepping the
device, but with S4 in the off possition, you shouldn't hear anything.
 
RL
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