| asdf <asdf@nospam.com>: Aug 01 04:04PM On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:12:17 +0100, Ian Field wrote: > - I noticed the rectifier/reservoir electrolytic was starting to bulge. > First one of those I've seen fail in quite a while. Its nearly always > the secondary side caps. Capacitor bulging aside, most (all?) PC CD/DVD players have a small hole in the front tray cover where a thin wire/hairpin can be pushed to open the tray manually. Not sure about stand alone players though. |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jul 31 01:52PM -0400 In article <sbqqpbhi3udu1fqdhvuhdlv65v80qib9gh@4ax.com>, Jeff > (-12dB). The iPhone 4 rx signal dropped 100 times (-20dB) > to 288 times (-24.6dB). That's a 6 to 18 times worse signal > drop for the iPhone 4... " if the iphone was 18x worse, it would not have sold anywhere near as well as it did. people don't buy crappy phones. there were fewer dropped calls with the iphone 4 than the previous iphone 3gs. at the time, the iphone 4 was the best selling iphone to date and sold quite well for the few years it was offered for sale. once the whole antennagate bullshit blew over, nobody even thought about it. it was yet another manufactured problem which was concocted by gawker media for the traffic, just like the iphone 6 bendgate and hairgate nonsense. what comes around goes around, and now gawker media is bankrupt. haters gotta hate. > instead of "bars". So, I had to use the test results from the > Anantech article. A friend has an iPhone 4 that he's not using, so I > could probably repeat my test given sufficient inspiration. no need to jailbreak to get dbm > >> the situation. > >that explains everything. > Even honesty has a price tag. you've admitted your anti-apple bias which makes what you say not honest. |
| Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>: Jul 31 10:26PM On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:44:02 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > Well, you're certainly entitled to an opinion. Personally, I prefer > opinions based on repeatable tests, measurements, numerical results, > and calculations. Jeff, This nospam guy is actually one of the smarter ones here, along with Rod Speed and the smartest guy here, who is David Empson. The problem though, with nospam, is that his only playbook is verbatim what Apple Marketing feeds him. He has no other repertoire. > Note that all the phones > used in my test showed about a 9 dB drop in receive signal from a > death grip Where, for others' benefit, 9 decibels is 3db times 3 which is 1/2 times 1/2 times 1/2 the signal strength, which is 0.125 the original signal strength (or around 1/8th the original signal strength if I did the math correctly). > implementation, bad parts, bad metering, or just having a bad day. I > assume that this has something to do with your defense of Apple, but I > lack the wisdom to make the connection. Jeff - you have to understand that nospam thinks *exactly* like Apple Marketing thinks. Thousands of times, he finds the absolute worst example he can find in Android land, to compare with Apple. For example, he tries to compare $50 Android phones to $800 Apple phones, and then says that the Android phones stink. Or, he picks the absolutely most expensive Android phone he can find on the planet, to compare with the iPhone, and says conclusively that iPhones cost exactly the same as Android phones. In fact, I have a recent thread where I compare PERFORMANCE of a $300 Android phone to the iPhone 6, and he pooh poos that because I didn't use the absolutely most expensive Android phones on the planet to make my performance tests. At first you wonder why he thinks like Apple Marketing, but then you just get used to it once you understand that: a. He buys only on cachet (so anything bad about Apple is a threat) b. He buys based on fear (so anything outside the walled garden is scary) c. He can only think of the single solution Apple Marketing gives him Once you realize *everything* he says is imbued by those three tenets, then you realize why he sounds exactly like Apple Marketing sounds. > Even honesty has a price tag. The funny thing about nospam, Jeff, is that you can be honest with him, but he will *never* be honest with you. If you (or I) have a favorable datum about Android versus iOS, we speak it out, and weigh it proportionately. Nospam is the consummate Apple marketing guy. He is so afraid of facts, that he will *never* speak anything out against Apple, even though he surely must be aware of the huge flaws. At first I couldn't understand his duplicity. I thought it was stupidity. But he's duplicitous because of the three things I said: a. He's *protecting* his purchase decision (at all costs!) b. He's *protecting* against anything *outside* the walled garden c. He's *protecting* against the one-button-mouse mentality that Apple Marketing has and always has had. So nospam will *never* see both sides of the coin. Never. And even if he did - he'd never admit it. On the other hand, you: a. Buy by price:performance so performance is just a set of numbers which is nothing to fear b. Buy what works for you with the equipment you use, and not necessarily only one brand of equipment c. Try every solution that makes sense, and not just the single-button-mouse solution that one manufacturers' marketing team specifies Until you understand these three things, you'll never understand why nospam writes what he writes (nor most of the other Apple Aficianados). a. They care only about style b. They are fearful of anything not told to them by Apple Marketing c. They can only think of one-button-mouse style solutions proposed by Apple Marketing (which only work inside the walled garden). Anything outside those three areas, they "just give up". In fact, they're so used to "just giving up", that it's not funny in that is so different than your mental makeup. |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jul 31 06:58PM -0400 In article <nnltv2$7if$1@news.mixmin.net>, Aardvarks > most expensive Android phone he can find on the planet, to compare with the > iPhone, and says conclusively that iPhones cost exactly the same as Android > phones. more of your lies and ignorant trolling. i've never tried to compare a $50 android phone with an $800 iphone, ever. what i said was that similar specs have comparable prices, and they do. phones with similar specs to an iphone are something like a samsung galaxy s7 or note 5. you're also ignoring that apple and google have different business models, something you refuse to acknowledge, let alone even begin to understand. you're also ignoring all of the android phones that are *more* expensive than the iphone. the initial price doesn't make matter a whole lot anyway because people will pay far more than the difference in price in a couple of months of service fees. you're a troll, who spews nothing but hate. |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jul 31 11:17PM > The funny thing about nospam, Jeff, is... > Nospam is the consummate Apple marketing... > So nospam will *never* see... "I'm not obsessed or anything"... : ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jul 31 04:41PM -0700 On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:52:14 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> drop for the iPhone 4... " >if the iphone was 18x worse, it would not have sold anywhere near as >well as it did. people don't buy crappy phones. Without the rubber cover, which is now epidemic, the iPhone 4 was 6 to 18 times worse in signal loss compared to various cell phones. With the rubber cover, it's about the same as most other smartphones. At the time when I ran the test, rubber covers for the newly released iPhone 4 were not available. I can repeat the test if I can borrow an iPhone 4 from a friend. So can you. It's quite easy but there are a few tricks. Bug me if you want details. >there were fewer dropped calls with the iphone 4 than the previous >iphone 3gs. True for AT&T because, as I previously indicated, AT&T would disconnect if the carrier was lost for only a few seconds. That was later increased which hid any disconnects caused by carrier loss. You can test how it works with any cell phone. Make a call and then put the phone inside a shielded box (microwave oven will do) for varying amounts of time. Last time I did this on VZW, I could disappear for a bit less than 2 minutes, and continue my call from where I left off. I just tried it on VZW at home. I called my house phone from my ancient LG VX8300 cell phone. I then put it inside the microwave oven. After 2 minutes, I was still connected. However, I'm not sure if the signal went to zero. I could see that the phone showed zero bars through the oven door, but the VX8300 will still work showing zero bars. I'll see if I can find a weaker signal location and a better shielded box later in the week. It's easy enough for you to try the same thing. Note that it doesn't matter what phone you use. You're testing how the cell site responds to a loss of carrier. Any phone will suffice. >at the time, the iphone 4 was the best selling iphone to date and sold >quite well for the few years it was offered for sale. Yep, and sales is of paramount importance. Everything else, including quality, repairability, product life, and even price are of secondary importance. If it sells, it must be good (for the company). >once the whole antennagate bullshit blew over, nobody even thought >about it. I thought about it. I really hate to agree with you, but the antennagate thing had nothing to do with Apple. Apple's only contribution was designing a phone that highlighted a bad setting by AT&T in their cell sites. The problem disappeared when the rubber bumper made the iPhone 4 act more like other phones of the period, and when AT&T tweaked their settings. As an added bonus, Apple also tweaked the relationship between receive signal level and the number of bars indicated. Later, they graciously allowed users to see the actual numbers in dBm. Prior to that, jailbreaking was required. You can read about how it was necessary to get into the field test mode in order to see numbers at: <http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/2> >it was yet another manufactured problem which was concocted by gawker >media for the traffic, just like the iphone 6 bendgate and hairgate >nonsense. Those problems were not concocted or in any way fabricated for the occasion. They were quite real. Whether they were significant or worth fixing is a very different story. These days, product lifetimes are sufficiently short that the next generation of product is already in the pipeline when the previous product is introduced. In some product areas (i.e. disk storage and SSD's), there can be as many a 3 generations in the pipeline at the same time. That means there's absolutely no incentive to fix the current product when the next generation will be released shortly. If there are any real problems, current owners are simply told to wait for the next generation to be released, which will surely have those problems solved. The reality is often quite different. >what comes around goes around, and now gawker media is bankrupt. Hardly. There are plenty of problems still left to solve. For example, how about product life and servicability? <http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fix-out-product-repairs-get-tougher-new-age-obsolescence-n614916> Did you know that your Apple products are designed for a 5 year product life? <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624> Ever wonder what Apple does with cell phones that have been returned for repair? <http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-shreds-old-iphones-to-prevent-real-parts-ending-up-in-fakes-2016-2> >haters gotta hate. That's only a problem when one hates something specific, like Apple. It's not considered a problem if one hates everything equally. Don't worry. I have plenty of bad things to say about Google and Android. >no need to jailbreak to get dbm At the time (2010), it was necessary to jailbreak an iphone in order to obtain signal strength numbers. The field test mode was also initially disabled in the iphone 4. Read the Anantech article mentioned above for a memory refresh. >you've admitted your anti-apple bias which makes what you say not >honest. Excuse me? Since when does hating something lead to dishonesty? I might hate a vendors products, possibly for good reason, and offer my opinion on the matter if asked, but I certainly would not poison my position by lying about what's wrong with their products. I might also not like a vendor due to political, social, economic, or personal reasons that have nothing to do with their products. From what I've disclosed, you would not be able to determine if it's one of those, or whether it's a quality, service, price, performance, design, or usability problem that I might have with Apple. Assumption really is the mother of all such screwups. Taking your statement at face value, are only people that offer favorable opinions of Apple allowed to comment because they're presumably the only ones that are honest? Perhaps you might want to rephrase your statement. Drivel: I found my old iPhone 3G and decided to see if it still works. I charged up the battery, turned it on, and it complained that it could not make a secure connection. Fine, that's Apple for set the date and time. Once I did that, I was deluged with about 4 years of gmail stored on the Google server. That was followed by about 200 reminders and appointments, each of which had to be individually acknowledged. When I checked for updates, it proclaimed that everything was up to date. Not too bad for an old phone. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jul 31 08:23PM -0400 In article <m9vspbp0hvep8nokt8u4n4s02d9mjpupc2@4ax.com>, Jeff > >well as it did. people don't buy crappy phones. > Without the rubber cover, which is now epidemic, the iPhone 4 was 6 to > 18 times worse in signal loss compared to various cell phones. nope > the rubber cover, it's about the same as most other smartphones. At > the time when I ran the test, rubber covers for the newly released > iPhone 4 were not available. they were available. > I can repeat the test if I can borrow an > iPhone 4 from a friend. So can you. It's quite easy but there are a > few tricks. Bug me if you want details. i don't need to borrow one since i still have mine. i had *no* problems whatsoever with reception and no tangible difference between it and the 3gs it replaced. > the phone inside a shielded box (microwave oven will do) for varying > amounts of time. Last time I did this on VZW, I could disappear for a > bit less than 2 minutes, and continue my call from where I left off. bullshit. no cell carrier keeps a call connected that long without any connection. > bars through the oven door, but the VX8300 will still work showing > zero bars. I'll see if I can find a weaker signal location and a > better shielded box later in the week. put it on defrost cycle. > It's easy enough for you to try the same thing. Note that it doesn't > matter what phone you use. You're testing how the cell site responds > to a loss of carrier. Any phone will suffice. i prefer real world tests in normal use. my iphone 4 was not significantly different than any other phone i have, whether it's other iphones, android and old school flippers, and that's in both city and fringe areas. > Yep, and sales is of paramount importance. Everything else, including > quality, repairability, product life, and even price are of secondary > importance. If it sells, it must be good (for the company). all of those are contributing factors to sales. if the product was shit quality, unreliable, etc. it would't sell well. people generally want quality stuff. the reality is that the iphone 4 was very reliable, other than the home button for early production runs, something that was easily fixed and later modified at the factory to be more reliable. > can read about how it was necessary to get into the field test mode in > order to see numbers at: > <http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/2> jailbreaking was not required to put earlier iphones into field test mode. apple removed that in the iphone 4 and then put it *back*. > Those problems were not concocted or in any way fabricated for the > occasion. They were quite real. Whether they were significant or > worth fixing is a very different story. the problem was concocted. 'holding it wrong' is something that affects every single phone, but gawker media, who had just had its ass handed to it for buying a stolen iphone 4, decided to attack apple and get its revenge. > there are any real problems, current owners are simply told to wait > for the next generation to be released, which will surely have those > problems solved. The reality is often quite different. apple often makes changes *during* product lifecycles. > ge-obsolescence-n614916> > Did you know that your Apple products are designed for a 5 year > product life? they aren't. in fact, i have a 12 year old mac mini running 24/7 as a low end server and just put an ssd in it because the hard drive was over 10 years old. > <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624> that doesn't mean they're designed for 5 year life. it means apple stops supporting products after 5 years, or 7 years as required in california, where you are. every company cuts off support after a while, often *less* than that. look at what android phone makers do, who drop support within a year or two. > for repair? > <http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-shreds-old-iphones-to-prevent-real-parts- > ending-up-in-fakes-2016-2> don't believe everything you read. apple recycles phones and even designed and built a robot named liam to do it. <http://mashable.com/2016/03/21/apple-liam-recycling-robot/> Liam is programmed to carefully disassemble the many pieces of returned iPhones, such as SIM card trays, screws, batteries and cameras, by removing components bit by bit so theyšll all be easier to recycle. Traditional tech recycling methods involve a shredder with magnets that makes it hard to separate parts in a pure way (youšll often get scrap materials commingled with other pieces). Liam separates the insides of an iPhone with robotic precision so, for example, pieces of glass and plastic wonšt be mixed in with copper. Ultimately, these components can be sold to recycling vendors that focus on specific materials, such as nickel, aluminum, copper, cobalt and tungsten (a conflict mineral), and turn them into something else that can be reused, rather than dumped in a landfill. Some of these materials take decades to decompose and leak toxic materials into the ground along the way. > That's only a problem when one hates something specific, like Apple. > It's not considered a problem if one hates everything equally. Don't > worry. I have plenty of bad things to say about Google and Android. yet you don't. > to obtain signal strength numbers. The field test mode was also > initially disabled in the iphone 4. Read the Anantech article > mentioned above for a memory refresh. they removed it in the iphone 4 and then put it back in the next update, which was a couple of weeks later, if that (i'd have to check the dates). prior to the iphone 4 it was there. > >you've admitted your anti-apple bias which makes what you say not > >honest. > Excuse me? Since when does hating something lead to dishonesty? it means what you say is heavily biased. > whether it's a quality, service, price, performance, design, or > usability problem that I might have with Apple. Assumption really is > the mother of all such screwups. except that you do lie about them, as you did above. > favorable opinions of Apple allowed to comment because they're > presumably the only ones that are honest? Perhaps you might want to > rephrase your statement. i never said that at all. every product has good and bad points. nothing is perfect. pick the best tool for the job. anyone who repeatedly cites the bad things about one company and ignores when other companies do the very same thing (or worse) is dishonest. > reminders and appointments, each of which had to be individually > acknowledged. When I checked for updates, it proclaimed that > everything was up to date. Not too bad for an old phone. so much for designing for 5 years. |
| Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jul 31 05:23PM -0700 On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 22:26:43 -0000 (UTC), Aardvarks >Speed and the smartest guy here, who is David Empson. The problem though, >with nospam, is that his only playbook is verbatim what Apple Marketing >feeds him. He has no other repertoire. I don't care. I don't pass judgment upon the writers of usenet articles, only on the content of their articles. The author could be evil incarnate, and I would still take their comments seriously. I also value their opinions based solely on their ability to substantiate them. In other words, no numbers, no tests, or no references, and it goes to recycling. >The funny thing about nospam, Jeff, is that you can be honest with him, but >he will *never* be honest with you. Not a problem. Everyone lies, but that's ok because nobody listens. >On the other hand, you: Ah, my favorite topic... me. >a. Buy by price:performance so performance is just a set of numbers which >is nothing to fear Wrong. I hardly buy anything new for myself. I buy plenty for my customers, but for myself, I buy used, refurbished, and recycled hardware. Most of my computers were machines replaced by my customers in an upgrade. Almost nothing I own was purchased new. Performance (numbers) is way down the list because it is cheaper to tolerate mediocrity and do battle with the bleeding edge of technology. >b. Buy what works for you with the equipment you use, and not necessarily >only one brand of equipment Sorta. I have a few brands that I prefer. However, even the best companies have produced defective products and probably will continue to do so erratically. There's also quite a bit of private labeling of other companies products. I do tend to favor manufacturers with which I have a working relationship, or know someone on the inside, as that makes it easier to deal with surprises and problems. >c. Try every solution that makes sense, and not just the >single-button-mouse solution that one manufacturers' marketing team >specifies Sorta. My customers also was ease of use. That makes self configuring devices, wizards, and one-button connect features attractive. For myself, they just get in the way of diving into the menus and making it do what I want. While not a single button solution, I really like the Chromebook philosophy of letting Google do everything. I can literally setup a Chromebook in minutes, and have it ready to use without the hassles of endless updates, virus scans, malware scans, bloatware, etc. Customers want easy and so do I (because we're all fundamentally lazy). >Anything outside those three areas, they "just give up". Nope. They throw money at the problem. Applecare is all about buying failure insurance. Out of warranty repairs are very expensive. Flat rate exchange instead of repair is all about inspiring a premature upgrade. Some parts are unobtainable. When I fix a PC or PC laptop, I can get cheap parts from the cannibals on eBay. I can do the same with Apple parts, but not for current model products. Incidentally, in Dec 2009, I did a price comparison between various Apple products and the closest equivalent Dell products: <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/Mac-vs-PC.xls> The 13" MacBook was a bargain at the time, but all the other Apple products were about twice the price of Dell. Prices do not include shipping, Applecare, or Dell extended service contracts. I haven't checked, but I think the situation is much the same today. >In fact, they're so used to "just giving up", that it's not funny in that >is so different than your mental makeup. Nope, they don't give up. The average Apple product user assumes that since Apple products are nearly perfect, whatever is wrong must be something they had done. Although I don't do much work on Apple products, the few that drift into my office generally start out by asking if it was anything that they had done wrong to cause the problem. There's a related problem where users are afraid to ask for help because they assume that Apple makes things so easy, that if they have a problem doing something, it must be their inability to understand, rather than something Apple did wrong. Apple... making easy things easier, and difficult things impossible. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jul 31 08:36PM -0400 In article <e73tpbhgk9sr1qrp6mo32rlhesev4npqld@4ax.com>, Jeff > products were about twice the price of Dell. Prices do not include > shipping, Applecare, or Dell extended service contracts. I haven't > checked, but I think the situation is much the same today. in some cases, apple is much cheaper. for instance, there's nothing comes close to the retina imac 5k. dell sells a similar 5k display *without* a computer for roughly what apple sells the entire imac, which now has a wide-gamut display. not only that, but it's expected to be updated in about a month or so. |
| Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jul 31 06:52PM -0700 On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 20:36:58 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> shipping, Applecare, or Dell extended service contracts. I haven't >> checked, but I think the situation is much the same today. >in some cases, apple is much cheaper. With all due respect, your unsubstantiated opinion does not do much for me. An example of equivalent PC and Apple products would be more useful than your astute pontification. Also, you seem to have an aversion to supplying numbers. A few of these would also improve your credibility. It was quite difficult to do the Dec 2009 comparison. I was recovering at home from surgery and was still somewhat drugged. It took me all day to nail down the details. Even so, there are differences between the Dell and Apple products in CPU speeds, memory types, Firewire ports, and included accessories such as the mouse and keyboard, which are options on Apple products but generally included with Dell products. Even with these differences, the ratio was still about 1:2, except for the 13" MacBook. >dell sells a similar 5k display *without* a computer for roughly what >apple sells the entire imac, which now has a wide-gamut display. not >only that, but it's expected to be updated in about a month or so. Is it really necessary that I have to do all the research? All that's necessary is for you to include a URL pointing to the two computers and displays with prices. Ok, I'll do the grunt work this time for you and see if you're right. I presume you mean the Apple 27" Retina 5K iMac computer. <http://www.apple.com/imac/specs/> The screen is 5120 x 2880. B&H has it for $1,900. <http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1190403-REG/apple_mk472ll_a_27_imac_with_retina.html> I'll also assume that you're referring to the Dell XPS 27 Touch All-In-One Desktop: <http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/xps-27-2720-aio?stp=1> The screen is 2560 X 1440 or 1/4th that of the Apple display. Prices vary from $1,700 to $2,700. So, you're correct that Apple is indeed cheaper than Dell for roughly equivalent computers and with a better built-in monitor. Apparently, some things have changed at Apple in the last 7 years. I'll try to be more careful when making price comparisons in the future. I'll probably update the spreadsheet as time permits. Of course, this has nothing to do with any alleged wi-fi range differences between Apple and Android products, which was the original topic of this discussion. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jul 31 10:18PM -0400 In article <449tpbpvbu5civ5o77ioc33cdvcd3ag56h@4ax.com>, Jeff > >in some cases, apple is much cheaper. > With all due respect, your unsubstantiated opinion does not do much > for me. i substantiated it. > An example of equivalent PC and Apple products would be more > useful than your astute pontification. useful to whom and for what task? for some tasks, apple is the *only* choice. for others, windows is the only choice. for most tasks, things are fairly close, but mac users are generally more productive. > Also, you seem to have an > aversion to supplying numbers. A few of these would also improve your > credibility. i did supply numbers. > keyboard, which are options on Apple products but generally included > with Dell products. Even with these differences, the ratio was still > about 1:2, except for the 13" MacBook. you neglected a few differences, such as that mac os x is equivalent to windows ultimate, not home. > necessary is for you to include a URL pointing to the two computers > and displays with prices. Ok, I'll do the grunt work this time for > you and see if you're right. i assumed someone familiar with product pricing would know the status quo. > B&H has it for $1,900. > <http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1190403-REG/apple_mk472ll_a_27_imac_wit > h_retina.html> that's the middle model, but you can always configure to order. $1799 for the base model: <http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/imac> and as i said, the imac is due for an update, expected in a month or so, which means the above specs are about to change. > <http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/xps-27-2720-aio?stp=1> > The screen is 2560 X 1440 or 1/4th that of the Apple display. > Prices vary from $1,700 to $2,700. you assume wrong. i specifically said the dell 5k display, which has the same 5120 x 2880 resolution and is $2k msrp: <http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&c s=04&sku=up275k3> that display was originally $2500, but then apple came out with the imac 5k and dell had to cut its price. street price is $1500ish these days, except that's only the display. you still need a computer that can drive that 5k display, which means a dual video card and dual cables because one single displayport currently can't support 5k. > some things have changed at Apple in the last 7 years. I'll try to be > more careful when making price comparisons in the future. I'll > probably update the spreadsheet as time permits. ok. > Of course, this has nothing to do with any alleged wi-fi range > differences between Apple and Android products, which was the original > topic of this discussion. there aren't any significant differences in normal everyday use. he's trolling. |
| Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jul 31 08:21PM -0700 On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 22:18:14 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >i did supply numbers. No, you didn't. You did in your previous posting, but only after I guessed wrong as to what you were comparing. >i assumed someone familiar with product pricing would know the status >quo. Actually, I'm not familiar with current retail PC or Mac pricing. I don't buy machines for my customers very often. Prices change so often that I have requote bids several times before the actual purchase. If I need prices, I get them at as near to the time of purchase as possible. >i specifically said the dell 5k display, which has the same 5120 x 2880 >resolution and is $2k msrp: ><http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=up275k3> Sorry, but I thought you were comparing the price of equivalent computers with build in displays, not comparing an Apple all in one iMac, with a component system from Dell. Your point about pricing is still correct, but it would be helpful if you would be more specific about what you're comparing. >> differences between Apple and Android products, which was the original >> topic of this discussion. >there aren't any significant differences in normal everyday use. Prove it. I supplied two very easy methods where you can test that assertion using commonly available software (iperf and jperf) that will run on most any device. I can run the test for you if you can't seem to load one program on your Mac desktop or laptop, change one setting in your router, and load one lousy app on your tablet. However, I don't see why I should run it for you. I suspect that you would not accept my results and conclusions as you did in my iPhone 4 death grip test. The problem is that you don't really know for sure what will happen. Well, neither do I. I've run the test many times, but never side by side comparing the range for various client devices. It's always been to optimize something in the router, usually for highest throughput, not for maximizing range. >he's trolling. So am I. Sometimes trolling is useful. I'm tired of unsubstantiated assertions from all sides. Time to test the various claims. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
| Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>: Aug 01 05:54AM On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 18:58:09 -0400, nospam wrote: > you're also ignoring that apple and google have different business > models, something you refuse to acknowledge, let alone even begin to > understand. Anytime Google wants to subsidize a phone for me, I'm perfectly happy. In fact, my Android phone doesn't even have a Google ID, and it works just fine. I wonder what would happen if I removed the iCloud account from an iOS device. |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Aug 01 02:11AM -0400 In article <nnmo64$3cp$1@news.mixmin.net>, Aardvarks > I wonder what would happen if I removed the iCloud account from an iOS > device. nothing. you don't even need one in the first place. |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Aug 01 02:13AM -0400 In article <nnmo64$3cp$1@news.mixmin.net>, Aardvarks > Anytime Google wants to subsidize a phone for me, I'm perfectly happy. and for that subsidy, google gets to track and data mine you, even though you think you're avoiding it. you're not. |
| Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de>: Aug 01 01:03PM +0200 Am 31.07.2016 um 04:59 schrieb Aardvarks: > That's a PERFECT test! > My hypothesis is that the iOS devices will drop in half the distance that > the Android devices will drop - but that remains to be seen in the test. You will want to test different device orientations as well. Reception might (from my experience: does) differ depending on device orientation (e.g.: with the back facing in the AP direction, with the top/bottom/left/right sides facing the AP). Additionally, reception will differ as well depending on how/where you put your hands (for an extreme example see the old iPhone4 Antennagate, where bridging the different antenna segments of the frame could lead to a dramatical decrease of signal strength), which hand you're using (a ring on one hand might influence the readings), whether there's a protective cover on the phone (and of which type, ...), ... Obviously, you will need to test several devices for each device model (in order to rule out issues with a specific device), and different models altogether. Lot's of influencing factors, that you want to take into consideration. Best of luck, Michael |
| "Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com>: Jul 31 10:32PM +0100 "juanjo" <juanjo@benages.eu> wrote in message news:nnl2ac$62f$1@dont-email.me... >> Get a charger that does not over-charge. > The battery at 3.8 volts is not over-charged, it is normal for a lithium > battery to go over 4 volts when fully carged Put a diode in series with the battery lead. A regular silicon diode drops 0.7V, Shottky-barrier drops about half that. You could even put a shorting switch across the diode so you can suck the battery dry. Its a bodge - but its cheaper than replacing the game. Most current lithium cells must not exceed 4.2V, some older types must not exceed 4.1V - a few modern types need 4.3V. The exact right charging voltage for lithium cells is critical - they tend to vent with flaming gas if overcharged! |
| "Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com>: Jul 31 08:44PM +0100 <thekmanrocks@gmail.com> wrote in message news:053e931d-7bd0-40c6-b4d0-fd8d0d25677d@googlegroups.com... > Engineered to fail... I'm thinking just a crap quality cap on the BR, its usually the secondary side caps that fail. It was rescued from the bin room at the flats, so I don't know its history. Occasionally the tray would eject and retract immediately, so you have to grab the DVD quick - apart from that, it worked fine. So far I've found a replacement cap, but not got around to lifting the PCB out. For all I know, someone could've already re capped the secondary side. |
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