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lpardeshi81@gmail.com: Sep 19 06:39AM -0700

As the plug of induction cooker put in the socket and switch on the main MCB trips instead of fuse in the ckt board.
What should i check pls tell...
ohger1s@gmail.com: Sep 19 07:09AM -0700

> As the plug of induction cooker put in the socket and switch on the main MCB trips instead of fuse in the ckt board.
> What should i check pls tell...
 
Are you sure the induction cooker is drawing too much current, or is your breaker just weak? Put an ammeter in circuit and see what it's drawing. If it's drawing less than the breaker's rating, change the breaker. Maybe the normal draw of the cooker is higher than your breaker's trip rating.
 
If the cooker is indeed the problem, then something must drive the induction coil. Check for shorted mosfets, igbts, or triacs.
Wond <gboot.phil@gmx.com>: Sep 19 03:54PM

On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 06:39:57 -0700, lpardeshi81 wrote:
 
> As the plug of induction cooker put in the socket and switch on the main
> MCB trips instead of fuse in the ckt board.
> What should i check pls tell...
 
Did you attach the plug to the cooker yourself? How many pins on the plug?
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Sep 18 10:52AM -0700

>also has a traffic analyzer and monitor plus tons of other stuff to play
>with. Even keeps statistics on how much data is transferred on a
>daily/weekly/monthly basis.
 
Out of morbid curiosity, does the Acer utility show the connection
speed in both directions? In infrastructure mode, the connection
speed (actually the associations speed) is set by the wireless access
point and can be different in each direction. I've seen lots of
sniffers and monitors, but they always seem to show the connect speed
only in one direction, usually from the AP to the Client radio.
 
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JW <none@dev.null>: Sep 19 05:55AM -0400

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 10:52:37 -0700 Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>with. Even keeps statistics on how much data is transferred on a
>>daily/weekly/monthly basis.
 
>Out of morbid curiosity, does the Acer utility show the connection
 
Asus. :)
 
>point and can be different in each direction. I've seen lots of
>sniffers and monitors, but they always seem to show the connect speed
>only in one direction, usually from the AP to the Client radio.
 
Yes, it shows speed in both directions: TX and RX.
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Sep 19 08:44AM -0700


>Asus. :)
 
Sorry. The names are sufficiently similar that I often get them
confused.
 
>Yes, it shows speed in both directions: TX and RX.
 
Very cool. That would give me a tool to test for local interference
at one end of a wireless link without sniffing the traffic. If a
client receiver is hearing RF junk from a local source of
interference, the data rate from the wireless access point to the
local receiver will probably be much lower in that direction. In the
other direction, where the receiver does not hear any interference,
the data rate will be higher. Acer, err... Asus, did that one
correctly.
 
 
 
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Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Sep 18 11:43AM -0700


>>"How am I doing? Your turn. "
 
>I know you are a Jew, but you are a USian Jew.
 
I was born in Germany. Parents are Polish. Ancestors are mostly
Russian. I came to the USA when I was about 5 years old.
 
>That means that you got all the arrogance we got plus about 14 % more.
 
Just because we run everything, manage everything, own everything, and
control everything, doesn't mean we have to arrogant about it. Being
arrogant in public is a quick ticket to an immediate downfall,
something Jews are well aware of. We may be the smartest, best, most
powerful, and most knowledgeable, but it would stupid to mention it in
public. It tends to attract attention, something we really don't need
or want.
 
>See all the business owners you've run across in your life ? Well
>they are business owners because they were too arrogant to work
>for anyone else.
 
It's hard to be humble, but we manage. The Jewish culture from Europe
tended to favor starting a small business, rather than working for a
large corporation. Jews tend to be better at that because their
parents also ran small businesses. The benefits of watching my
parents make all the basic mistakes is incalculable.
 
>That is one of the reasons jobs are never coming back to the US.
 
Huh? Get real dude. Joe Sixpack and Soccer Moms voted with their
dollars. They want the cheapest products, period, while maintaining
the highest standard of living on the planet. Everything else is
secondary. Well, the American industry has delivered what the
consumer demanded.
 
>They wat little lambs, sheep, cattle to herd and work their money
>making machine.
 
Sure. Why else would I hire someone if I couldn't pay them less than
the money they made for me? I'm not a philanthropist and can't run at
a loss. Kinda looks like you're just jealous that Jews run the
economy. I can explain how this happened, but that would take too
long. Let's just say you don't have what it takes.
 
>5,999,999, Ed Zachary six million. And note, even if is was more
>like three million which is a more realistic estime, that doesn't
>make it right.
 
A million here, a million there. Soon, we'll be talking about real
people. (Apologies to Everett Dirksen).
 
In the US, Jews are about 2.2% of the US population (5.3 million
adults and 1.3 million children). Meanwhile, blacks are about 13%
while Hispanic/Latino are 17%. Now, ask yourself why such a small
minority of the US population seems to have such a big impact on your
paranoia?
 
>Like the WTC (...)
 
I like writing conspiracy theories, but don't like hearing them. I'll
pass, this time.
 
>I can tell that you got at least half of your knowledge by
>questioning everything.
 
Correct. I would say more than half. The trick is to not totally
freak out if you're wrong, pick up the pieces, and try again.
Eventually, you get a really good picture of how things really work,
whom to trust, what to believe, and who is lying. It's not based on
well known facts, expert opinions, authoritative proclamations, and
other wastes of my time, but rather a "feeling" that something is
wrong. The next step is to prove it, which is significantly more
difficult.
 
>Here comes this sheep who says he doesn't want your help, as
>if Webster is going to post an answer to this questions.
>Or General Electric engineers or something.
 
What have you done lately to help the sheep? Better yet, why should
you bother to help someone who can't even frame an intelligent
question or supply sufficient information for someone to provide a
useful answer? It's not because you want to help the sheep. If you
did that, all you'll do is perpetuate their lifestyle. It might be to
impress others in the forum or newsgroup, but that's unlikely because
those who are worth impressing also don't like show-offs. So, why?
It's because you would need to do some research and thinking to answer
their questions completely and accurately. In doing this research and
thinking, you will learn more about the topic, organize your thoughts,
and accumulate some knowledge. Sure, you'll make mistakes, be forced
to apologize, wreck your technical reputation, and such, but you will
learn. When the smoke clears, and the critics are long gone, you will
be far better at most everything than you were when you started.
 
>BNrainwashed people like that detract from the value of Usenet
>and the internet in general. But don't killfile them. They can be
>entertaining at ties, especially if we help.
 
Yep. May I suggest a few additional guidelines:
----------- Cut here and paste onto monitor ---------------------
1. Don't post anything that you would not consider worth reading. If
you don't like reading crap, don't post crap.
2. Try not to change the subject. It happens, but at least don't be
the culprit who does it.
3. You have a right to have an opinion. However, I don't care about
anyone's opinion unless it is substantiated by references, sources,
logic, and calculations.
4. Lose the personal insults, profanity, and cute one-liners. It
makes you sound like one of the clueless sheep you're complaining
about.
5. Say something nice once in a while. Thank people for their
assistance and corrections. Be tactful, diplomatic, and courteous. In
other words, act and be like a professional.
----------- Cut here and paste onto monitor ---------------------
 
 
 
 
 
 
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jurb6006@gmail.com: Sep 18 12:52PM -0700

>"I was born in Germany. Parents are Polish. "
 
"ARE" ? Alive ? Hope you spend time with them.
 
>"We may be the smartest, best, most
>powerful, and most knowledgeable, but it would stupid to mention >it in public. It tends to attract attention, something we really >don't >need or want. "
 
My sarcasm detector is registering here. But there is truth to what you say. There is alot not said about the history of Germany, like about the banks between WW1 and WW2. But also, Jews owned alot of businesses. I was brought up a similar way, somehow. When I was a kid my favorite present at Christmas or birthdays was books. I wasn't into stupid toys n shit like that.
 
Being studious at a young age like that does result in, I believe a better mind. My Grandfather was as Polish as they get. I used to go over on Saturdays and sometimes we went scrapping. He had his retirement, only owed a few hundred on his house, had CDs maqturing every month, and still got in his Ford Pinto ad drove it at 5 MPH scrapping, picking up those aluminum frame lawn chairs. He would strip them down and then when he had enough to literally fill the hatchback part of the car take them in. He knew how to use his mirrors. Later he started picking up TVs. We fixed a few and one Saturday I go over and he hands me some money. I asked what is this for and he told me he sold one of the TVs we had fixed together. While we were doing it, money had never entered my mind. However, later when I got to working age he said to me "Make them pay you". Meaning that, for example if "they" could get your services for $2 an hour "they" would have no shame in doing so, and such is the business world. He came up with a modification for knitting mills and the company who built them paid everything and flew him in at $500 per day to teach their engineers how to do it.
 
>"Huh? Get real dude. Joe Sixpack and Soccer Moms voted with their
>dollars. They want the cheapest products, period, while >maintaining the highest standard of living on the planet. "
 
I have been saying something like that for years. In the 1970s when they wet to Kmart and saw a Zenith TV for $269 and a Sanyo for $229 they were happy to pocket the forty bucks. I absolutely agree, and the fact is I am starting to favor protectionism. Like these compaies who threaten the government that they'll leave if the taxes go up. GO, you ain't paying anything anyway. Ad then I would slap them with company specific tariffs. You paying now. And it would no longer be open season on the US consumer, you supply mandatory warrantees and parts on anything that costs over a hundred bucks. California used to have a law something like that until enough bribe, err lobby money got paid, and some places in Europe do have such laws. As much as I am against more laws, I favor something like that. It is ridiculous when a buddt of mine bought a new Samsung DLP and it broke under warranty ad threy said parts were no longer available. Then the state attorney general told him not to try to sue on his own or he would be excluded from a future class action lawsuit, which never happened.
 
Still enjoying that forty bucks folks ? That forty bucks also sent Zenith to Mexico. Their sales went up 4 % and profits like tripled or something like that.
 
>"Correct. I would say more than half. "
 
There is almost like a miniseries in the new Outer Limits about a guy who gets cold fusion to work and makes booms, and is an evil motherfucker. I think the name is "Final Exam" and it runs into other episodes including a Woman who builds a time machine and goes back and kills murderers before they commit the murder. Used to be available on hulu for free, not sure now but if you think you might be interested I'll find out and dig around the back of my head for all the episode names. They were not aired sequentially. They were a nice diversion and brought up some moral issues.
 
>"What have you done lately to help the sheep? "
 
Less and less. I am to the point of advocating a mass reduction in world population.
 
>"2. Try not to change the subject. It happens, but at least >don't be the culprit who does it. "
 
The subject is out the wodow. Seriously I had to look up at the title bar of my browser (which some don't have anymore another gripe I got) to find out this is about counterfeit batteries.
 
>"5. Say something nice once in a while."
 
OK, you generally try to help people here and have a pretty wide knowledge base. Sometimes you give an opinion but I find that usually those are well thought out, not flippant etc.
 
On the other hand, some Europeans and Australians have a superiority complex.
 
Until they get into a war.
 
The joke about France, old guy was at the airport and didn't have a visa, they asked if he had ever been there before ad didn't he have a visa ?". He said something to the effect that he was in the army and when he got there, there were no Frenchmen around to show it to. Go ahead with your attitude up there in England or down under, and when some Muslim assholes attack you we might just show you that we are too stupid to shoot straight. After all, these assholes are on the internet every day calling us barbarians because we got guns.
 
>"Be tactful, diplomatic, and courteous. In
>other words, act and be like a professional. "
 
I do that at work,, this is Usenet.
"Gareth Magennis" <soundserviceleeds@outlook.com>: Sep 18 10:16PM +0100

"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
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>>"How am I doing? Your turn. "
 
>I know you are a Jew, but you are a USian Jew.
 
I was born in Germany. Parents are Polish. Ancestors are mostly
Russian. I came to the USA when I was about 5 years old.
 
>That means that you got all the arrogance we got plus about 14 % more.
 
Just because we run everything, manage everything, own everything, and
control everything, doesn't mean we have to arrogant about it. Being
arrogant in public is a quick ticket to an immediate downfall,
something Jews are well aware of. We may be the smartest, best, most
powerful, and most knowledgeable, but it would stupid to mention it in
public. It tends to attract attention, something we really don't need
or want.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Wow, just Wow.
 
 
Gareth.
"Gareth Magennis" <soundserviceleeds@outlook.com>: Sep 18 11:33PM +0100

"Gareth Magennis" wrote in message
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"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
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>>"How am I doing? Your turn. "
 
>I know you are a Jew, but you are a USian Jew.
 
I was born in Germany. Parents are Polish. Ancestors are mostly
Russian. I came to the USA when I was about 5 years old.
 
>That means that you got all the arrogance we got plus about 14 % more.
 
Just because we run everything, manage everything, own everything, and
control everything, doesn't mean we have to arrogant about it. Being
arrogant in public is a quick ticket to an immediate downfall,
something Jews are well aware of. We may be the smartest, best, most
powerful, and most knowledgeable, but it would stupid to mention it in
public. It tends to attract attention, something we really don't need
or want.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Wow, just Wow.
 
 
Gareth.
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Sep 18 07:37PM -0700


>>"I was born in Germany. Parents are Polish. "
 
>"ARE" ? Alive ? Hope you spend time with them.
 
Sorry. Bad choice of words. They are both dead.
 
>There is almost like a miniseries in the new Outer Limits about a
>guy who gets cold fusion to work and makes booms, and is an evil
>motherfucker. I think the name is "Final Exam"...
 
There's more here than you might suspect. While I was quite young, my
favorite diversion was reading comic books. I would routinely get
thrown out of the local drug store for reading comic books off the
rack without buying at least one. Learning to speed read was an
obvious result.
 
I continued my habit of reading comic books long after growing up and
reading other types of books. Over the years, I noticed a change. In
the older books, the businessman was either the hero, or the victim of
the bad guy. At worst, the super-hero was there to protect the
businessman from evil. Scientists were also there to do all kinds of
cool things with brilliant inventions.
 
Then, it slowly changed. The businessman suddenly became the villain.
The great scientist became the mad scientist, evil genius, or insane
lunatic. Over the years, details were added, such as the businessman
making or inheriting tons of money, which immediately turned him to
the dark side. Meanwhile, the victims became archetypical nobodies,
who have never done anything remarkable in their lives, and are easily
susceptible to the machinations of the bad guy. The characters were
often color coded by their abilities or IQ to make sure they were
properly classified by the reader.
 
It made me sick to read this rubbish, so I gave up on comic books in
about 1980 and sold my collection. However, I couldn't resist reading
an occasional comic book and found that they had morphed into "action"
stories, which largely mirror today's "action" movies. Is life so
boring that we have to resort to ludicrous exaggerations of reality?
When was the last time we had a real street chase scene where the
participants destroyed everything in their paths?
 
So, what's wrong here? The Outer Limits was in the 1950's and was
before the trend to vilify businessmen and scientists. I guess it
could be considered ahead of its time. It wasn't hugely successful in
the 1950's mostly because few people swallowed the pitch line. We
were the greatest country after winning WWII and nobody is going to
tread on our arrogant self-image. Today, The Outer Limits still has
its following, is considered a cult classic, and has people like you
offering its messages as some kind of morality lesson. Were someone
able to make cold fusion work, they would be (in my never humble
opinion) a hero, worthy of the highest acclaim, not because they made
it work, but because they ignored all the nay sayers who said it
couldn't work. They would certainly not be a bomb builder and evil
scientist in the comic book and The Outer Limits traditions.
 
>On the other hand, some Europeans and Australians have a superiority complex.
 
Only if they're also Jewish.
 
>>"Be tactful, diplomatic, and courteous. In
>>other words, act and be like a professional. "
 
>I do that at work,, this is Usenet.
 
In the last 20 years, the internet, and in some areas Usenet, have
become the new reality. It is possible to go through an entire day
without leaving the computer. Everything is done on the internet. I
just got done buying cannibalized electronic parts and pieces on eBay.
If the prediction that we will all become "knowledge workers" is for
real, the internet will be your work. Try to act accordingly or you
will find that how you make your bed, is how you will sleep in it.
 
 
 
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jurb6006@gmail.com: Sep 18 08:54PM -0700

>"Sorry. Bad choice of words. They are both dead."
 
In my case Dad is gone but ma is still here. I really wish there was more to talk about but there isn't. She is not into talking politics or electronics which is about it for me.
 
>"Learning to speed read was an obvious result. "
 
I used to be pretty good but the eyesight does not allow it anymore. Actually I can read paper more easily then a computer screen but I am simply not up to printing everything. Thought I did print the Protocols Of The Learned Elders OF Zion. Forgery or not, they got something to say. Like, I am an atheist but I read Revelations. More than once. My Father read the Bible and the Book Of Mormon cover to cover. The Mormons came to the house once. ONCE. In fact the Jehovah's Witnesses came to the house once. ONCE. He knew more than they did about their books. But then once he retired, I still went to work and he sat there and needed something to do. And he invited them in and gave them a cup of coffee and all that, but they did not come back often.
 
>"...and found that they had morphed into "action"
>stories, which largely mirror today's "action" movies..."
 
I can't stand new movies and most of the TV shows. All fluff, not much plot and some of them look like they gave the camera to a ten year old. Even switching it to mono (if you even have that option) might not make the dialog intelligible. It helps. But even back in the 1960s 1970s mt Grandfather used to bitch that the music was too loud on the movies.
 
>"Today, The Outer Limits still has
>its following, is considered a cult classic, and has people like >you offering its messages as some kind of morality lesson."
 
Not really, but it raises questions. The episode where the broad goes back in time and kills killers before they kill, think about that. Though fiction, think about that. And that is for us humans to think about, not just judges and lawyers and politicians. You go back in time and kill those who WILL be guilty to save the innocent, is that moral ?
 
In fact Gene Rodenberry got that subject up quite a bit, somewhat in TOS but alot more in TNG. Shame he died but he was born in the 1920s or some shit and was about ready. Rest in peace.
 
>">On the other hand, some Europeans and Australians have a >superiority complex.
 
>Only if they're also Jewish. "
 
As far as I can tell, not really. They seem to be jealous of our gu rights. They call us all kinds of names. Like we are cowards for carrying a gun and shit like that. And of course with the statistics. Fact is you take about five cities out of it we got lower murder rates than they do. There are alot of assholes in this country, alot in the inner cities, and then we got gang wars. they got good education and they watch their kids and can see when they stat going wrong. Here, Daddy is at work and Mommy is at the bar. When they don't get that guidance in the first five tears or so, there is no fixing that. I knew how to read and write and basic math before I ever went to school. Now teachers bitch that the kids don't even know their color and basic shapes. And that is because these n----s of every color do not teach them anything they just put them in a car seat and go smoke a joint.
 
I got nothing against pot, I like it alot, but when you have kids they come first.
 
>"Were someone able to make cold fusion work, they would be (in my >never humble opinion) a hero, worthy of the highest acclaim, not >because they made it work, but because they ignored all the nay >sayers who said it couldn't work. They would certainly not be a >bomb builder and evil scientist in the comic book and The Outer >Limits traditions. "
 
Actually I have done a few things like that, but nothing of that scale of course. But the dude had a test in front of him in class and is had a question on it that read "Explain why cold fusion cannot work" and after a little though he walked out, and then planted a bunch of bombs at the school and pretty much held it hostage. Four hours of intertwined plots, I can relate all of it if you really don't want to watch it but really, you might want to just get some bagels and lox and watch them. Four one hour parts. I thought it as good as any Star Trek I had ever seen and I saw them all until Abrams took over and run it into the ground.
 
>"Try to act accordingly or you will find that how you make your >bed, is how you will sleep in it. "
 
Yeah but some people just have it coming.
adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham): Sep 19 09:30AM +0100


http://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/duracell-alkaline-batteries-seem-to-ha
ve-a-bad-rap/msg1027983/#msg1027983
 
A relative of mine imported the first batch of Duracell rechargeables
into the UK and gave ma a dozen of them to test. I left six of them on
a bedroom window sill and put six of them into a battery-operated tape
recorder where they would get moderate use.
 
Within three months, the cells in the tape recorder began leaking and
had to be thrown away. I then checked the cells on the window sill and
found they were leaking too.
 
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JW <none@dev.null>: Sep 19 05:51AM -0400

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 14:58:48 -0000 (UTC) Roger Blake
<rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote in Message id:
 
>On 2016-09-18, JW <none@dev.null> wrote:
>> I don't like your opinions, they are less than worthless.
 
>You are a liar, a coward, and a weakling.
 
Ditto for you.
"Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com>: Sep 16 10:25PM +0100

"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
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> I've bought Duracell AA alkalines that leaked withing a week or three
> after installation. No leaks in the package seen, although I'm not
> surprised.
 
IME: They're no less likely to leak than cheap brands if left in equipment
for a long time.
 
The real disappointment is they don't last significantly longer than the
pack of 6 Kodak Extralife from the £ store.
Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com>: Sep 16 05:49PM -0400

In article <6ukotb9h93r3q5ea1hjr0m0jejffg7c5j9@4ax.com>,
 
> I've bought Duracell AA alkalines that leaked withing a week or three
> after installation. No leaks in the package seen, although I'm not
> surprised.
 
Jeff-
 
My experience over the years is that any Alkaline cell can leak and ruin
whatever it is in.
 
I have switched to "Energizer Ultimate Lithium" AA and AAA cells. They
claim to have more capacity to justify higher cost. Perhaps they do,
but my main concern is leakage. So far, I have not had any leak. Do
you have an opinion?
 
Fred
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Sep 16 01:20PM -0700


>http://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/duracell-alkaline-batteries-seem-to-have-a-bad-rap/msg1027983/#msg1027983
 
... and the batteries that don't leak explode when shorted:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/Duracell/index.html>
 
I've bought Duracell AA alkalines that leaked withing a week or three
after installation. No leaks in the package seen, although I'm not
surprised.
 
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"Gareth Magennis" <soundserviceleeds@outlook.com>: Sep 17 12:03AM +0100

wrote in message
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>"
>A quick check shows there is no evidence whatsoever in the OP link to
>suggest that these batteries are indeed Duracell in genuine >packaging. "
 
Is that to say you concur that they are counterfeit ?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Look, I haven't the time or inclination to wade through your pages of
waffle,
but yes, Counterfeit is a definite probability.
 
As is trolling. i.e. trying to discredit something or other via a
newsgroup.
 
 
Don't buy it.
"Gareth Magennis" <soundserviceleeds@outlook.com>: Sep 16 10:56PM +0100

"JW" wrote in message news:hnjotbt9nofrij5epr9s6nhshbr07vt2p3@4ax.com...
 
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/duracell-alkaline-batteries-seem-to-have-a-bad-rap/msg1027983/#msg1027983
 
 
 
 
 
 
A quick check shows there is no evidence whatsoever in the OP link to
suggest that these batteries are indeed Duracell in genuine packaging.
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Sep 16 10:57PM -0700

On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:49:44 -0400, Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com>
wrote:
 
>> surprised.
 
>My experience over the years is that any Alkaline cell can leak and ruin
>whatever it is in.
 
Agreed. I have a fair collection of flashlights that were ruined by
junk batteries. However, I don't keep records and have no data on
which cells are the culprits, or how long one can expect them to last
before leaking. Mostly, I use Costco Kirkland brand, which seems
better than most, but still eventually leaks.
 
>claim to have more capacity to justify higher cost. Perhaps they do,
>but my main concern is leakage. So far, I have not had any leak. Do
>you have an opinion?
 
They're very good batteries, but also rather expensive.
<http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?368072-Test-Review-of-Energizer-Ultimate-Lithium-AA>
In AA, these are $2/ea versus about $0.40/ea for Kirkland AA alkaline.
 
Where possible, I prefer to sustitute rechargeable NiCd or NiMH
batteries for alkaline, or purchase something that runs on LiIon. So
far, the Eneloop NiMH cells, which have a very low self discharge
rate, seem the best compromise between performance, life, self
discharge, and cost at about $2/ea.
 
--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com>: Sep 17 06:40AM +0800

On 17/09/2016 3:59 AM, JW wrote:
> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/duracell-alkaline-batteries-seem-to-have-a-bad-rap/msg1027983/#msg1027983
 
We used to buy them all the time and they never leaked when fully
discharged but nowadays they do. Caused me lots of problems with various
bits of kit. they must have changed the construction or suppliers.
Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>: Sep 17 05:24AM

Here is a summary of what I know about the T-Mobile and Verizon plans to
give you a "free" iPhone 7 32GB when you do two things:
a. You trade in *any* iPhone 6
b. You keep your service for the next two years
 
Here are the Verizon phone numbers:
http://www.tomsguide.com/faq/id-2346970/talk-real-person-verizon-wireless-customer-service.html
https://www.800-numbers.net/verizon/
a. 800-922-0204
b. 800-256-4646
c. 800-526-3178
 
Here are the T-Mobile phone numbers:
http://www.tomsguide.com/faq/id-2346088/talk-real-person-mobile-customer-service.html
http://www.t-mobile.com/contact-us.html
a. 877-453-1304
b. 877-778-2106
c. 844-270-0187
 
Here is a description of the Verizon trade in deal:
a. https://www.verizonwireless.com/
b.
http://www.verizon.com/about/news/get-next-gen-iphones-next-gen-network-available-verizon-lte-advanced-beginning-friday-september
 
Here is a description of the T-Mobile trade in deal:
a. https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-32234
b.
http://www.t-mobile.com/offer/apple-iphone-deals.html?icid=WMD_TM_Q316NPI_4BWFR9S6IA85960
 
There are three key concerns:
1. TRADEIN COSTS:
2. UNLOCK STATUS:
3. PHONE STATUS (vs SERVICE STATUS):
 
1. TRADEIN COSTS:
Verizon and T-Mobile both have the same iPhone 6 requirements
a. The iPhone 6 must turn on
b. It must not be visibly damaged (e.g., no cracked screen)
c. The water-damage sticker must be white (not red)
d. The iPhone 6 can be *any* number of gigabytes of storage
 
At both Verizon and T-Mobile, you can visit a brick-and-mortar store to
have them assess the iPhone 6 and annotate your service record that the
iPhone 6 passes the requirements above.
 
2. UNLOCK STATUS:
a. All Verizon phones are unlocked (even the iPhone 7 under tradein!)
b. T-Mobile iPhone 7s, if under the trade-in, are locked but can be
permanently unlocked after 40 days (if you tell them you're going to
Europe).
 
The catch with T-Mobile is that the iPhone 7 must be put on the service
line for those 40 days, whereas for Verizon, since the phone is unlocked,
it *never* has to be placed in service.
 
3. PHONE STATUS (vs SERVICE STATUS):
Verizon and T-Mobile both have similar requirements, with Verizon having a
slightly worse plan that T-Mobile on length of service.
 
In both Verizon and T-Mobile cases, they don't care *what* you do with the
iPhone 7 once you receive it.
a. You can put it on your service line
b. Or you can give it to a friend
c. Or you can put it in your desk drawer
 
They don't care *what* you do with the phone.
 
However, in the Verizon case, they charge you $27/month *extra* on the
first two bills for the phone, and then they reimburse you that $54 on the
third bill, and the credits start to take hold for two years. (So, I think
that means the Verizon 2-year deal is actually 2 years and 2 months.)
 
In the case of T-Mobile, the credits start on day one, so the 2-year deal
is a 2-year deal.
 
Both Verizon & T-Mobile must charge you the sales tax on the full price of
the iPhone 7.
 
Technically, the Verizon iPhone 7 is slightly better than the T-Mobile
iPhone 7 for two reasons:
a. The Verizon iPhone 7 is alredy permanently unlocked, and,
b. The Verizon iPhone 7 is CDMA & GSM (while T-Mobile is only GSM)
 
NOTE: The Verizon iPhone 7 has a Qualcomm modem which is both CDMA and GSM
while the T-Mobile iPhone 7 has an Intel modem which is only GSM.
 
Let me know if any of those details need honing.
Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>: Sep 16 07:56PM

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 18:41:22 -0400, bruce wrote:
 
> Oh, what the hell. I'll give it a try.
 
Thanks Bruce. I'm always nice if someone is sincerely trying to answer the
question, and, I do realize that most people don't even *understand* the
question.
 
> In the following I tend to intersperse WAN and LAN as well as BSSID and
> MAC. The basic underlying concepts work in both environments (with some
> fudging).
 
All we care about, for *this* discussion, is the MAC address of the 5GHz
and 2.4GHz radios in the iOS or Android cellphones we are trying to track.
 
That MAC address is also called a BSSID.
 
Google also logs the SSID, the signal strength, and the GPS location, but
they are not of importance for *this* discussion.
 
Only the MAC address (aka BSSID) is important for *this* discussion.
 
> SSID has nothing to do with cellphones. It has to do with wifi only.
> The same is true for BSSID.
 
This is not true that "SSID has nothing to do with cellphones".
 
As Jeff and I just discussed, if an Android or iOS cellphone acts as an
Access Point, then that cellphone will broadcast an SSID.
 
If that iOS or Android cellphone broadcasts an SSID, it also broadcasts a
BSSID, which is unique to that cellphone. In fact, it broadcasts *two*
BSSIDs, one for each radio (5Ghz and 2.4Ghz).
 
It's *those* unique BSSIDs which are captured by poorly configured Android
devices and uploaded multiple times a day to the Google Public Database,
along with the GPS location of the poorly configured Android device and the
SSID and Signal Strength of the access point.
 
Notice this allows such iOS or Android cellphones to be tracked!
 
> SSID is just a name. There could be thousands of wifi access points
> around the world with the same SSID.
 
I agree. SSID is "just a name". If the name ends with "_nomac", Google
promises to *drop* that SSID from its' public database.
 
However, you must realize that the Google Public Database contains *more*
than the SSID! It contains the *unique* BSSID associated with that SSID,
and furthermore, it contains the Signal Strength of that access point at a
specific GPS location of the poorly configured Android device that is near
that access point.
 
Anyone who doesn't *understand* that paragraph above can't possibly
understand the topic of this thread - so it's critical that the paragraph
above be *understood*.

> Each radio is a BSS with a BSSID, which is also known as a MAC. Each
> network device/radio has (by design, but not always in fact) a unique
> value for the MAC.
 
I agree. Specifically, if an iOS or ANdroid cellphone is acting as an
access point, then its 5GHz and 2.4Ghz radio will broadcast the following:
a. The cellphone AP SSID
b. The cellphone AP BSSID
 
What you must understand to understand the question, is that poorly
configured Android devices will *send* to Google not only that information
above, but *more* information!
 
Poorly configured Android devices will send to Google:
a. Your cellphone AP SSID
b. Your cellphone AP BSSID (aka MAC address)
c. Your AP signal strength seen by the poorly configured Android cellphone
d. The GPS location of the poorly configured Android cellpone
 
> in the destination field of the packet and its own MAC in the source
> field. The rest of the connection protocol is left as an exercise for
> the reader.
 
This part is understood that the BSSID of the 5Ghz and 2.4GHz radios in
both iOS and Android devices is sent in the clear in packets whenever those
cellphones connect to an access point.
 
But I'm not talking about that.
 
I'm only talking about when an iOS or Android cellphone has the following
four bits of information *sent* to the Google database by poorly configured
Android devices:
a. Your cellphone AP SSID
b. Your cellphone AP BSSID (aka MAC address)
c. Your AP signal strength seen by the poorly configured Android cellphone
d. The GPS location of the poorly configured Android cellpone
 
> MAC address of devices it is communicating with and send that info out
> onto the internet to some recipient along with info from its own GPS, if
> available.
 
Yes. You are correct that there are *other* methods, other than the Google
Public Database, to obtain MAC addresses of devices.
 
For example, this web site from wardriving software:
https://wigle.net/
 
But *this* question is complex enough for most people (almost nobody
understood the question) if I simply stick to the Google mechanism.
 
Lord knows how complex this question gets if I bring in the Wigle
wardriving mechanism (which even I don't understand).
 
> So, while it is not part of the normal protocols to reveal that
> information it is not inconceivable that some user level program could
> be doing the nasty deed.
 
Yep. Wardrivign software.
Or anything from Marius Milner (e.g., netstumbler).
 
> outgoing packets. This is in fact how DECnet used to work, the two high
> order bytes of the MAC were changed to reflect the fact that a packet
> was a DECnet packet.
 
This is not true.
Jeff Liebermann explained in the past why it would take an heroic effort to
clone the MAC address of the radio that is sending out the packets.
 
The cloning is on a different MAC address, which is not the MAC address of
concern here.
 
Too bad, becuase if it were easy to change the Access Point MAC address,
then I would change mine daily.
 
> As was said before, just flip a few bits and you could suddenly appear
> to be on the other side of the planet.
 
Not true.
You're confusing the easily cloned MAC address with the one that would take
desoldering to change.
"Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com>: Sep 16 10:29PM +0100

"Joe" <joebalamand@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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> To reiterate, there is excellent picture when tape plays. Just 'no signal'
> when tape is stopped and no VCR menu. No response to remote either.
> Can you help please?
 
If it takes time to warm up - suspect the secondary side electrolytics in
the PSU.
 
Back when Television magazine was still going, a frequently reported stock
fault was the memory supercapacitor on the front panel pcb.
 
AFAICR: it applied to various makes/models - I can't remember any specifics.
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