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"Ron D." <Ron.Dozier@gmail.com>: Oct 04 10:31AM -0700 The WIFI part should really be in the center of the house. Now, you have to look at line of sight obstructions like thick walls etc. You can use a repeater to handle the dark spots. Generally the repeater needs the MAC address of the signal it's repeating. The repeater only needs a wireless connection.   In my case, I had trouble getting a decent WIFI signal sitting in a chair until I added a repeater about 3 feet from the chair. The repeater allowed coverage in the yard.

"Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net>: Oct 04 08:06PM -0400 "Joseph Gwinn" <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:   [lousy performance problems on Comcast using an "approved" cable modem]     > The 88 Mbits was during the weekend. As the week progressed, the speed did > drop. As I write, it's 15 Mbits/sec for downloads, and 6.5 Mbits for > uploads.   As a data point (and this is from a friend, not personal experience): My friend was a Comcast customer a few years ago and was getting decent speeds out of the Comcast interface, but noticed that they had started dropping to the extent that snailmail would have almost been faster than email.   Unfortunately for Comcast, this friend is the head of the networking department for our common employer, so one weekend he took home some of the test equipment to see what's going on.   To make a long story short, what he found was that on the Comcast link: *every* router he looked at:   * had the default SNMP community strings [passwords] for both read and write. * was significntly downlevel, well below the version for critical fixes * was running at 100% CPU * was infested with malware.   ...which explained his problem.   Comcast's response when he notified it of the situation? "You're not supposed to do that!!!"   My friend is now a very satisfied FiOS customer.   Joe

Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com>: Oct 04 09:34PM -0800 OGI wrote: > Does that service have caller ID - mandatory feature for me to have.   > Also is there a preferred Channel ? 1 or 6 or 11 or ???   > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net --- I have an "Xfinity" Technicolor TC8305C. That seems to be the brand name for those made by Motorola (if i remember correctly) and sold to Comcast. Arris is another brand name. As far as i can tell,about 90 percent of production goes directly to Comcast.   One model/style has no Wifi, and the other has it; otherwise they all seem to be the same beast. Rental rate is the same; sales price cannot say; i got the WiFi version for about $100, saving me $20 year one.   There is no "preferred" channel; let the modem do the assignment automatically (for best signal).   There are re-sellers where you can buy exactly what your cable provider offers. I suggest you do not rock that boat for a few months and look at the bill CAREFULLY to find the exact monthly rental charge. If in the region of $10/month or more,then buy the exact same model for around $100. Pays for itself in 10 months.. Those resellers may have specs or know where you can get them.   The installation instructions CANNOT work (read them and you will see what i mean). You will have to call your cable provider and get them to add its MAC address into their database and activate it; else it CANNOT WORK. Once you are satisfied, if at all possible, PHYSICALLY return their modem to one of their sales centers AND GET A RECEIPT (!!!_VERY_!!! important). If not, see if you can wangle a shipping label from them (as a courtesy because you are UPGRADING the service). Without that receipt, they can continue to charge monthly rental fees.   Get your phone service from the same cable internet provider; the phone service alone will be less than landline. In fact, that is why i switched from copper (POTS) to cable,as the loco phone bastards were raising the rate every other month; i wound up saving money.   Allowed me to switch from modem (144K in reality, NOT the advertised or bally-hooed fake rate) to cable at a respectable speed. Plus...i now have unlimited long distance at NO extra cost.   Mind you,i did not have TV and still do not have it. Adding TV service on the cable is expensive as far as i am concerned. So,,if you HAD TV from your cable provider, adding internet and phone will not be that much more(*). If you are close enough to the transmitting stations (ASSuming no reflections to bugger signal), you can put up our own antenna and get them free (like the GOOD OLD DAYS of analog).   (*): IGNORE ALL ADS that quote some bullshit price; actual cost is always about TWICE whatever the ad says.

Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com>: Oct 04 09:46PM -0800 John Larkin wrote: > $5 a month, a fraction of the cost of AT&T landline service. We use > our own WiFi router. We kept our phone number and it works great.   > The Comcast data speed keeps going up. It's about 130 mbits now.   Over a 12+ year period, Comcast slowly raised the modem rental rate from the $5/mo to $10/mo. Ever hear the story about the frog in the pot over the fire? Got my own modem,EXACT same brand and model (heck it even says Xfinity on it) for about $100. So i can say i am saving $10/mo now that it has paid for itself.

Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com>: Oct 04 09:54PM -0800 Andy wrote: > it . > Because it is one of the models on its approved modems list so they cant > refuse to support it:)   YES>>>Motorola makes almost all of the modems sold to Comcast (and prolly Spectrum as well). Model brand names vary,but they is the same beast, so if what you buy on the net is the same exact brand and model that they use,then they HAVE TO have it on their approved list; they cannot dis their own stuff. $100 for your own modem and no $10/mo gives a 10 month ROI; no brainer.

"Andy" <N@n.com>: Oct 05 02:55AM -0400 Seeing the problems you have faced i can understand why you get fed up with the cable company. Some states have no problems with speeds ect others seem to have no end to them.     -- AL'S COMPUTERS "Joseph Gwinn" <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in message news:0001HW.1DA3F422000D43351147FC3BF@news.giganews.com...

"Andy" <N@n.com>: Oct 05 02:59AM -0400 Exactly why i OWN my own modem. The day i got the notice in the mail about 2 or 3 years ago in Maine. I went out and bought my own Motorola modem off the approved list got the best one that DID NOT have wireless i don't use it . and love the savings and the speeds as they allow channel bonding in my area any ways so i get double the normal download speeds most of the time.     -- AL'S COMPUTERS "Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message news:sI%Iz.129410$wg2.72605@fx05.iad...

FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org>: Oct 05 08:56AM -0400 Same here, except I got a WiFi "SurfBoard" model.   While I was at it, I had mentioned that a cable modem wasn't really a modem after he asked me if I needed a modem. I had already given him that "approved" list provided by Time Warner Cable for compatibility with their system. They, of course, call them all cable modems.   He argued with me! Right or wrong, salesmen shouldn't argue with customers. Cable modems have more in common with TV transceivers than they do with modems. I asked him if a smartphone was a modem, and he said no.   After serious thinking Andy wrote :

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com>: Oct 05 08:30AM -0700 On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 21:46:51 -0800, Robert Baer > Got my own modem,EXACT same brand and model (heck it even says >Xfinity on it) for about $100. > So i can say i am saving $10/mo now that it has paid for itself.   I had a modem, but it didn't do the telephone thing. The installer did everything with their modem, including patching into our phone lines, and setting up all the cable boxes, and I thought that was a good deal. I have plenty of electronic projects already.     --   John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc   lunatic fringe electronics

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>: Oct 05 11:34AM -0400 On 10/05/2016 02:55 AM, Andy wrote: > the cable company. > Some states have no problems with speeds ect others seem to have no end to > them.   In my neck of the woods Verizon can't find their keisters with two hands, a map, radar etc., whereas Optimum is right on the ball. We soldiered on with V. for a long time despite hours spent in call forwarding purgatory that never resolved anything, billing snafus, clueless office droids, and an apparent total lack of communication between their residental and commercial operations. The only reason that I did that was because I really wanted to keep the copper POTS for use during blackouts. I finally decided that I didn't trust an operation that clueless to know how to run a legacy central office battery system, so that the whole thing was sort of moot.   In 5 years with Optimum I've had exactly one trouble. Within half an hour, they had somebody on my premises who actually knew what he was doing, with an apprentice in tow learning the ropes. Fifteen minutes later they had it patched (reprovisioned somehow so that I had 25/5 Mbps again) and the trouble outside was fixed the same day. A couple of times a year, V. sends salesmen to visit, and I try very hard to restrain my impulse to greet them with howls of derisive laughter, not totally successfully.   Cheers   Phil Hobbs   -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics   160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510   hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>: Oct 05 11:39AM -0400 On 10/05/2016 08:56 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:   > customers. Cable modems have more in common with TV transceivers than > they do with modems. I asked him if a smartphone was a modem, and he > said no.   You run WiFi right off your cable modem? With no separate firewall? I expect your other hobbies are bungee jumping, motorcycle racing, and free-climbing, right?   Cheers   Phil Hobbs   -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics   160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510   hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Oct 04 10:11AM -0700 On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 17:17:57 -0700 (PDT), jurb6006@gmail.com wrote: (...)   Look what I found on my battery "shelf": <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/Kirkland-AAA-leak.jpg> They were unopened until today, when I ripped open the left side to pull out a few batteries.   They're marked with a 7 shelf life. I'm only 2.7 years over the 2014 expiration date, but have no idea when I bought them. I guess it's "use them or lose them" because I stupidly used up newer battery packages before diving into the older batteries buried in the back of the battery "shelf".   Grumble, and $15 gone. Oddly, most of the batteries I pulled out and cleaned seem to work. I'll run a capacity test on a leaky battery later. No, I'm not going to put an expired and leaking battery in my toys.   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

jurb6006@gmail.com: Oct 04 10:40AM -0700 >"Grumble, and $15 gone. "   That's nothing. You probably have your first dollar and you got better credit than at least 90 % of the population in this country.   But I do understand that $15 is probably $20 today. That can probably still get you a bag of weed over there in case you happen to smoke it.   Anyway, I think we have to see by now that batteries leak whether you use them or not. When depends on the brand I guess, or not so much. Maybe the manufacturer. The company that sells Duracells is probably not in the US so they probably have them made elswhere. Hell, Union Carbide was doing that in India when my sister still needed a fake ID to drink. Boy if I had some money when their stock dropped like a rock I could have made a nice little pile.   Speaking of which, how come that package says "Piles" on it ? Is that some foreign word for batteries ? In fact those aren't even batteries technically, they are cells. A battery means a bunch of them like a nine volt. But like alot of words in this country, they are used incorrectly, but once accepted the thing is that the listener understands the speaker. But I have never seen the word piles on anything of the sort.   We have to treat them like electrolytic caps I guess. I have read plenty of people reporting that they leaked without ever being used.

Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Oct 04 02:13PM -0400 In article <d33428cf-de93-496f-8c83-165a153e9310@googlegroups.com>, jurb6006@gmail.com says...   rock I could have made a nice little pile.   > Speaking of which, how come that package says "Piles" on it ? Is that some foreign word for batteries ? In fact those aren't even batteries technically, they are cells. A battery means a bunch of them like a nine volt. But like alot of words in this country, they are used incorrectly, but once accepted the thing is that the listener understands the speaker. But I have never seen the word piles on anything of the sort.   That is French for Battery ( or some such equal word). I bet if you look at the packge you will see some other words that may not be spelled in American English. Probably more French. That is to save from printing seperate packages for different languages.     Not sure how it relates to the modern usage,but the old batteries were called Voltaic piles in honor of the man Volta that had a lot to do with the first batteries (cells).

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Oct 04 11:21AM -0700 >>"Grumble, and $15 gone. "   >That's nothing.   That's my lunch plus a tip.   >You probably have your first dollar   It was a $2 bill and it disappeared in a move long ago. I replaced it with my first rubber check.   >and you got better credit than at least 90 % of >the population in this country.   Yep. I am authorized by my predatory bank (Wells Fargo) to dig a bigger hole for myself and bury myself in it. As I get older, my credit improves even though my income has dropped. That's because the bank knows that I'll probably die before I pay off any loan and they can then grab the collateral.   >But I do understand that $15 is probably $20 today.   Sorry. I don't recall what I paid. I just looked up what a 48 AAA box is currently selling at Costco. If it's really 10 years old, then I probably only paid about $10.   >That can probably still get you a bag of weed over there in >case you happen to smoke it.   You would not believe how many retail "medical marijuana" places we have in the area. At the present rate, they'll outnumber tattoo parlors and electronic smoke shops. Looks like all I can get for $15 is a gram or two: <http://health.costhelper.com/medical-cannabis.html>   >Anyway, I think we have to see by now that batteries leak whether >you use them or not. When depends on the brand I guess, or not so >much. Maybe the manufacturer.   I had previously proclaimed that Costco Kirkland batteries leak less than Duracell batteries. Now, I'm not so sure. I guess the next questions are what makes them leak and how do I prevent leakage? Refrigeration?   >doing that in India when my sister still needed a fake ID to >drink. Boy if I had some money when their stock dropped like >a rock I could have made a nice little pile.   Yep: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster>   >Speaking of which, how come that package says "Piles" on it ? >Is that some foreign word for batteries ?   Dunno. A "bank" of batteries has always be referred to as a "pile". <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaic_pile> Note: This has little to do with my reference to a disorganized web site as a "web pile".   >but once accepted the thing is that the listener understands >the speaker. But I have never seen the word piles on anything >of the sort.   Thanks. I never thought of it that way. Sounds right. However, words and phrases have a tendency to change meaning. If you call a cell a battery often and long enough, the definition can change.   >We have to treat them like electrolytic caps I guess. I have >read plenty of people reporting that they leaked without >ever being used.   Yep. As with drugs and foods, an expiration date is a nifty feature for the manufacturer. Toss the battery out before it goes bad. Or, like the bulging electrolytics, toss the entire product out before the capacitors trash it. Kinda like a built in warranty timer.     -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

jurb6006@gmail.com: Oct 04 01:52PM -0700 >"That's my lunch plus a tip. "   That's not an expensive lunch here. I can imagine there, perhaps a sandwich and bag of fries. And you probably want something to drink so that cuts into it even more.   I haven't gone out for lunch in years, everybody just pays through it if you eat there, at least where I have worked. Which brings us to a cute little true story.   I lived in Cleveland and worked in Willowick which is about 23 miles to the east. Show was getting more and more business even though we were seriously high performance. i did three times the work of my predecessor, and (maybe unfortunately taught them what to expect from a real tech) still it got to the point where we could not keep up with it.   I didn't drive, I have had license problems for a long time, but only recently did I stop driving due to my eyesight. anyway he gets introduced to me as "another Electrasound graduate". Electrasound was factory service for almost everyone back then. They required a very high level of competence and had the over 100 page test to prove it. i beat 154 other applicants and got the job, as well as rewrote their test. There was a question they give you the schematic and some voltage readings and wanted you to put numbers by the answers instead of just checking them off. Well I found an option they should have included but didn't. It got to the service manager and he said "Damn, he's right".   So between the two of this at the later company we had plety of clout. the boss would ask what we want for lunch and actually go get it for us. In retrospect I think we could have made them pay for it as well but that didn't occur to us.   So one day Rich (the other Electrasound graduate they called us)and I decided we wanted to go out for lunch so we went to the Ground Round for a few beers and some surf-n-turf. When it came time to go back to work Rich says "I don't like how he said "you guys won't come back" and i said "Me too". Then I forget who said it but "Know what we should do ?". So guess what we did. Now only that we called the shop and told him we need him to bring down about fifty bucks to pay the tab because we were caught short. His answer ? "I can't leave right now because everyone else is gone on the road". That was a lie but it was so much fun. Then we went to the strip joint after we caught a good enough buzz. Back then in Ohio you couldn't have nudity and alcohol in the same business.   I digressed greatly, I will get serious in another post.

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Oct 04 01:56PM -0700 This horse is dead, flayed, flensed, rendered, tanned and dyed.   The difference between Duracell/Eveready/US-Made batteries is that if the units kill something, the Manufacturer will replace or pay. I received a check for $378 and change, representing the cost of a Geiger Counter that I purchased for $50 at surplus, when a pair of Eveready batteries self-destructed inside. They even refunded the cost of shipping the unit to them.   Otherwise, one is SOL and deserves _exactly_ what one gets.   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Oct 04 05:58PM -0700 On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 13:56:54 -0700 (PDT), "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:   >the cost of a Geiger Counter that I purchased for $50 at >surplus, when a pair of Eveready batteries self-destructed inside. >They even refunded the cost of shipping the unit to them.   Impressive. I managed to get about $20 from Eveready and $30 from Mallory for trashing various Maglites. I've filed a few random claims over the years, that usually get disappeared by the manufacturer.   >Otherwise, one is SOL and deserves _exactly_ what one gets.   Really? You seem ready to accept failure as inevitable and inexorable. I think otherwise.   Ever wonder why there are alkaline cells around that live a normal and useful life well beyond their expected lifetime? I've seen plenty of really old alkaline batteries that simply discharged their coulombs gracefully without a hint of leakage. Perhaps I'm using more alkaline batteries these days, but I don't seem to recall such massive a leakage problem during the 1970's. I certainly don't recall seeing any leak in the original packaging.   It might also be useful for you to consider the possibility that the leakage problem might be artificial and might easily be fixed by better sealing methods or construction methods. This explains the failure mechanism (hydrogen gas outgassing rupturing the vent seal). <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkaline_battery#Leaks> Now how hard would it be to make a better seal, or direct the gas away from the electrolyte? I would be tempted to conjure a conspiracy theory that this failure mode is intentional, since it sells plenty of batteries. Why fix something that produces sales?   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Oct 04 07:00PM -0700 Bluntly, this happens to consumers because they are either careless or lazy and would rather complain than take effective action. Battery makers, in my experience jump all over themselves to make customers happy. Do you think, after my experience I would ever buy a second tier battery?   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Oct 04 07:42PM -0700 On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 19:00:23 -0700 (PDT), "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:   >Bluntly, this happens to consumers because they are either >careless or lazy and would rather complain than take effective >action.   Right. Blame the victims. To most consumers, batteries are a commodity item, where the various manufacturers and labels are interchangeable. Perhaps an astute buying might read reviews or run a few tests, but the GUM (great unwashed masses) will tend to buy the same brand of battery repeatedly even when faced with demonstratable failures, leaks, counterfeits, and marginal warranties. The Energizer rabbit probably sold more batteries than any magazine or online battery review.   Also, "effective action" usually follows a complaint. More specifically, I have had a vendor spontaneously provide effective action or financial compensation without me providing a suitable complaint. Even if I were "careless and lazy", I can still produce a suitable complaint, which just might produce "effective action" by the battery vendor or manufacturer.   >Battery makers, in my experience jump all over themselves to >make customers happy. Do you think, after my experience I would >ever buy a second tier battery?   Yes, I do think you would, if you didn't know it was a second rate battery. That happens all the time, when a manufacturer outsources their production to the lowest bidder, changes supplier, or simply cheapens the product. I can supply examples if you need them. I have no idea what company manufacturers Kirkland batteries, or even if it's only one company. Volume manufacturers usually have multiple suppliers, between which they arrange bidding wars to produce the absolute lowest possible price. A drop in quality is implied, but never mentioned. If it lasts the warranty period, it's good enough. In this case, the Kirkland batteries probably lasted the required 7 year shelf life.   If you were a Prepper, who stores batteries for some future Armageddon, shelf life would be a major issue. Devices with low drain and low duty cycle, where the battery would be expected to last well beyond its shelf life is another problem area. For these users, there are better types of cells available, such as Lithium AA at 5 times the cost of alkaline cells. However, for the commodity applications, alkaline cells are cheap, commonly available, cheap, fairly reliable, cheap, warranties, cheap, and did I mention cheap? So for your commodity applications, where a $2 cell is not an economical option, you're stuck with the $0.40 alkaline cell. Yes, I think you will be buying 2nd rate batteries, unless you can find a genuine leak proof alkaline for the same price.       -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Oct 05 04:51AM -0700 On Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 10:42:34 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:     > cheapens the product. I can supply examples if you need them. I have > no idea what company manufacturers Kirkland batteries, or even if it's > only one company.   Now, here is where you go off the rails. When one purchases a 'house brand' to save a few pennies towards a critical application, the consequences of such a choice are to be factored into it. "I have no idea what company..." means that you accept without qualification or complaint that these devices may be second tier.   And that is exactly my point. Batteries, whether in use or not are wearing parts - just like tires. In an urban setting or areas where there are elevated levels of ozone, tires 'age out" in anywhere between 3 and 6 years depending on the type and composition. Those who do not keep this in mind are taking their lives in their hands.   Battery manufacturers make their batteries *JUST* good enough to support their price-point, and no more. Those that do not support an infrastructure that provides warranties and replacements are at a significant advantage. And, like lemmings, the great unwashed gobble them up based on price, alone. Then have the temerity to whine and pule about the results.   Two things - one philosophical, one very practical: If that first package of underwear at $3.29 from China stayed on the shelf for the $3.69 package made in the US, life would be different in this country today. But, no, the great unwashed gobbled them up, saving that $0.40. Little did they realize or care that their neighbors lost their jobs thereby *UNTIL* their own jobs were threatened - and you could hear them howl three states away. Do you want to give up a small, but vital technology to the Chinese? Do you want it such that your flashlight/radio/game depends on a 12,000 mile supply line crossing (at least) one ocean?   Lastly, do you know that there is not one single LCD device manufactured in the US. Not one. That Boeing aircraft would have analog controls were it to depend on US sources. Or, that fighter jet, gauges in a nuclear submarine. The US does not even have the tooling or basic infrastructure to make LCD devices were the need to arise. It would probably take 2-3 years to ramp up. So, yes, we can entirely lose vital industries by neglect, ignorance or by simply not recognizing the implications.   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com>: Oct 04 10:08PM On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 16:54:42 -0500, Tim Wescott wrote:     > On this board, the resistor is open-circuit with no discernible burning. > Is there some electronic mechanism that could cause this? Or am I just > looking at a faulty part?   I assume you've got your test prods directly on the pads so you know it's not just a dry joint?   X-posted to s.e.r (more appropriate group)

Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really>: Oct 04 06:02PM -0500 On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 22:08:17 +0000, Cursitor Doom wrote:     > I assume you've got your test prods directly on the pads so you know > it's not just a dry joint?   > X-posted to s.e.r (more appropriate group)   Yes. But making that mistake isn't beyond me, by any means. It's a very well-assembled board (I didn't do it), but well designed, too (I did it -- and I'm modest, just ask me).   --   Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com   I'm looking for work -- see my website!

Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com>: Oct 04 10:45PM -0800 Cursitor Doom wrote:   > I assume you've got your test prods directly on the pads so you know it's > not just a dry joint?   > X-posted to s.e.r (more appropriate group) Plenty of water and the whiskey bottle has been properly drained.

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