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| jurb6006@gmail.com: Oct 06 10:06AM -0700 >"Lemme see...." I don't know from where you derived all that but all I can say is to read the lines, not between the lines. Pearl Harbor, the WTC, all they got are excuses and they don't hold much water. They started this "read between the lines" shit when I was in school. My thought was - if that is what he meant why the fuck didn't he just type it ? But I'll admit you have better reasoning skills then I, you can reason bullshit that isn't there. |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Oct 06 10:25AM -0700 Thank you for carefully avoiding taking responsibility for the question you asked, or for clarifying the basis on which it was asked. Of course, by making several statements, I must also ask where "rockets" or the 1941 equivalent thereof, would have stopped the US from entering into WWII, or is that a conspiracy too? Keep in mind that the conspiracy theorists believe that Roosevelt know all about the attack and allowed it to happen to get the US into to war... Is that your position as well? Give you the credibility and sensibility of housefly, with apologies to the insect. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
| ohger1s@gmail.com: Oct 06 11:31AM -0700 > Of course, by making several statements, I must also ask where "rockets" or the 1941 equivalent thereof, would have stopped the US from entering into WWII, or is that a conspiracy too? Keep in mind that the conspiracy theorists believe that Roosevelt know all about the attack and allowed it to happen to get the US into to war... Is that your position as well? > Peter Wieck > Melrose Park, PA I want to preface what I'm about to say in that I believe most conspiracy theorists are effing insane.. However: I do believe that Roosevelt and the U.S. military knew an attack was imminent. Roosevelt was elected on a non-intervention platform that was extremely popular at that time, particularly since WWI was still in recent memory. The anti-war movement in America was quite large and vocal. By the time 1941 rolled around, it was clear that Nazi Germany would likely defeat England and we'd be fighting them eventually, and mostly by ourselves. The Lend-Lease act was helping England but without direct help from the U.S., it wouldn't be enough. The only way Nazi Germany could be defeated was with an expansion of the war (sounds silly, doesn't it?). Roosevelt did not want to declare war on the Axis without direct provocation, and the "surprise" attack by Japan provided that. The sneak attack changed America's perception of the war overnight and recruitment offices were flooded the next day and continued on. But I also want to be clear in that I believe that no one in the U.S. military or Roosevelt himself could have possibly foreseen the devastation that that attack on Pearl delivered. The only thing "surprise" about the Dec 7th attack was the brilliance planning and execution of it. John Wolcott, CT |
| Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Oct 06 02:58PM -0400 In article <e425680b-5b5c-4582-b111-d8602bdf2633@googlegroups.com>, ohger1s@gmail.com says... > But I also want to be clear in that I believe that no one in the U.S. military or Roosevelt himself could have possibly foreseen the devastation that that attack on Pearl delivered. The only thing "surprise" about the Dec 7th attack was the brilliance planning and execution of it. > John > Wolcott, CT While we lost a lot of good men, the ships that were sank and dammaged and the aircraft were a bunch of left over old junk. The main ships (aircraft carriers) were not there at the time. I believe that was a setup just to get Japan to attack ,but not suffer too much of a loss to the US. |
| "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid>: Oct 06 02:59PM -0400 >However: I do believe that Roosevelt and the U.S. military knew an attack was imminent. This is sort of tangential, but when I was stationed in Hawaii I worked the 4-to-midnight shift and used to hitchhike into Waikiki every morning during summer surf season. Got a few very interesting rides - and one of them was an old guy who claimed to be operating the radar up by Wheeler AFB the day of the attack. His story was something to the effect of "This radar stuff was new to everybody and we were considered to be sort of on the fringe..... but we saw the attack planes coming on the radar, tried to alert the higher ups, but did not get anywhere." I cannot recall whether the higher-ups just didn't believe them or whether they attributed the sighting to some expected flight of aircraft approaching from the mainland.... but there's not doubt in my mind that the old guy was telling it like he experienced it. -- Pete Cresswell |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Oct 06 12:03PM -0700 > But I also want to be clear in that I believe that no one in the U.S. military or Roosevelt himself could have possibly foreseen the devastation that that attack on Pearl delivered. The only thing "surprise" about the Dec 7th attack was the brilliance planning and execution of it. > John > Wolcott, CT Agreed on most of this. That Japan attacked Pearl may not have been have been a complete surprise. I expect that the war department was more focused on the Philippines than Pearl. I expect that some suspected a possible attack on the West Coast, or Pearl, but neither so large nor with so much of the Japanese fleet. At the same time, the Japanese high command recognized that if the US was aroused *and* at full strength from the very beginning, their chances were nil and the devastation to the home Island would have started much earlier. A knock-out blow was their only chance - and one that did not risk the fleet was equally at issue. What is equally remarkable is how small a role Battleships actually played in the Pacific war. Carriers did the grunt work, submarines did fleet and commerce harassment ((The Japanese lost 1,178 Merchant Ships sunk for a tonnage total of 5,053,491 tons. The Naval losses were 214 ships and submarines totaling 577,626 tons. A staggering five million, six hundred thirty one thousand, one hundred seventeen tons, (5,631,117 tons), 1,392 ships. All to US submarines)) Not until late in the war were there enough large surface vessels to provide invasion/landing support, and by then the Japanese fleet was either destroyed or bottled up in the home islands. Shadows of things to come. Th Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
| "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com>: Oct 06 09:35PM +0100 "Ralph Mowery" <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:MPG.326068cc2af41c9f98975e@news.east.earthlink.net... > (aircraft carriers) were not there at the time. I believe that was a > setup just to get Japan to attack ,but not suffer too much of a loss to > the US. The historical evidence tells me there was a fair bit of fuckwittery in the top brass. American codebreakers were more or less keeping up with the Jap codes - so they should've known the shit was about to hit the fan. All the airfield fighters were lined up in a neat row for fear of sabotage near the tree line. They ignored warnings from British Intelligence about suspicious Jap troop movements. The footsloggers working the radar set did their job and reported the incoming - they were told; "don't worry about it". Some historians claim that all the ammo was locked away - the officer with the key couldn't be found and they had to smash the door in - getting strafed and frantically running around handing out ammo clips so a few people could shoot back. How they weren't prepared for an air raid is one of the great mystries.................................. |
| "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com>: Oct 06 09:38PM +0100 "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in message news:ie7dvbpvjjvq6bco7bs9dnagre4gikqk1o@4ax.com... > whether they attributed the sighting to some expected flight of aircraft > approaching from the mainland.... but there's not doubt in my mind that > the old guy was telling it like he experienced it. A flight of B17s was due, but I think the "incoming" reported by the radar operators was from the wrong direction. The base was "on alert" - but didn't do much about it............................. |
| jurb6006@gmail.com: Oct 07 09:12AM -0700 >"I want to preface what I'm about to say in that I believe >most conspiracy theorists are effing insane.. " Well, since I am a housefly to that guy there is no reason to tell him this. The excuse they give is there was some sort of "shipment" coming in and they thought that was it so they did not respond when they saw them on the RADAR. Of course some accounts say the RADAR was removed for some unexplained reason but not being a true conspiracy theorist I am not so sure I believe that one. My Uncle was in the AF and worked on them and would tell you that they are not easy to remove. So can common sense. So now the story changed to they were expecting a shipment. A shipment of what from a country the US was antagonizing with blockades and whatever, starving their population, preventing food and medical supplies from getting in, just what the fuck do you think they would be shipping to the US ? And I'll have you know, I had a hard time even considering that FDR knew and purposely allowed Pearl Harbor to happen until they changed their story. When they started that those planes were detected and expected they lost me. We were trying to kill Japan, NOTHING was expected from them, except an attack. I bet Mr. Housefly thinks the Tuskeegee experiments never happened. The government has been honest and forthright with all their dealings of course. Just ask Snowden or Assange. I'll also have you know that I was a criminal when I was younger and I did not get caught because I am smart enough to know what evidence is and what is not. They had me in a room trying to get me to sign a paper. Let me tell all the sheeple out there, any time the government wants you to sign a paper, that means they want something they don't have for example, authority. And a housefly, if it could talk could tell more truth than the lamestream media. Anyway, I never bought into this FDR knew shit until they changed their story. now I consider it a possibility. Do y'all know what considering it a possibility rather than putting forth a possible theory means ? Nobody knows science anymore ? People who summarily dismiss any possibilities other than the "truth" Uncle Sam gives you are of no use to me, or society. They should be eliminated along with the criminal government they support so dearly. |
| "Dave M" <dgminala@mediacombb.net>: Oct 06 07:52PM -0500 I'm looking for a few (about a dozen) of the little connectors like those that are typically found on the small Chinese capacitor checkers. It's the little slotted connectors into which the capacitor being tested is inserted. It's a metal clip about half an inch wide, and accepts component leads of any size and spacing. I've searched Mouser & Digikey online catalogs, but no luck. You almost have to know the exact nomenclature of the thing you're looking for to find anything using their web catalog searches, and obviously I don't know what to search for. Anybody know what they're called, and/or where to buy them? Thanks! Dave M Dave M |
| whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>: Oct 06 06:17PM -0700 On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 5:52:19 PM UTC-7, Dave M wrote: > that are typically found on the small Chinese capacitor checkers. It's the > little slotted connectors into which the capacitor being tested is inserted. > Anybody know what they're called, and/or where to buy them? Every solderless breadboard has dozens of 'em. The four-wide size is typical of onesies, like this <http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/3m/923297-I/3M155886-ND/664637> but you'll have to customize the plastic bit to make a slot. |
| "P E Schoen" <paul@pstech-inc.com>: Oct 07 01:31AM -0400 "Dave M" wrote in message news:xJudnWDSMbcmbGvKnZ2dnUU7-XPNnZ2d@giganews.com... > find anything using their web catalog searches, and obviously I don't know > what to search for. > Anybody know what they're called, and/or where to buy them? I think this may be what you are looking for: http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-EACH-GRAYHILL-TEST-CLIP-02-0-SPRING-FOR-QUICK-COMPONENT-CONTACT-TESTING-/152243046073?hash=item23726486b9:g:JQEAAOSwR5dXR2s~ A search on eBay for "Grayhill Test Clip" comes up with a few more, but very pricey: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=leaded+component+clip&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xgrayhill+test+clip.TRS0&_nkw=grayhill+test+clip&_sacat=0 I think I have a bunch of them somewhere. They might be attached to banana plugs. I'll see if I can find them. Here is the Grayhill catalog page showing various types and sizes: http://www.grayhill.com/assets/1/7/test_clips_term.pdf If you are looking for the spring clips behind slots on LCR meters, perhaps you can use one of those prototype plug-boards. Paul |
| Marte Schwarz <marte.schwarz@gmx.de>: Oct 07 08:32AM +0200 Hi Dave, > Anybody know what they're called, and/or where to buy them? Do you look about textool? Marte |
| doggerel <doggerel@nil.com>: Oct 07 03:11PM +0800 On 07-Oct-16 8:52 AM, Dave M wrote: > Thanks! > Dave M > Dave M I've got no idea but maybe these guys may be able to help: <http://www.lairdtech.com/product-categories/emi-shields-gaskets/fingerstock-spring-contacts> <http://kgs-ind.com/products/emc/grounding/on-board-contacts/> Someone posed a link to another supplier in the last month or so but I can't spot it. |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Oct 07 03:37AM -0700 On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 8:52:19 PM UTC-4, Dave M wrote: In so many words: Spring clip Leads. http://www.alliedelec.com/pomona-electronics-4176-02/70197673/?mkwid=s&pcrid=30980760979&gclid=CjwKEAjwj92_BRDQ-NuC98SZkWYSJACWmjhl1As_FmBZOcH8gKEFDEWavB3M6BlGZ-igcYSuyyDHUhoCGIjw_wcB These? |
| ggherold@gmail.com: Oct 07 07:40AM -0700 On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 8:52:19 PM UTC-4, Dave M wrote: > Thanks! > Dave M > Dave M A picture of what you want would help. George H. |
| Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com>: Oct 07 03:19AM -0800 krw wrote: > same price as DTV but includes Internet. DSL was more than $50/mo and > while neither is perfectly reliable, the fiber is better and 50x > faster than DSL. I do not think that there are any "teaser" rates; now advertized rates is anther story. Those are always bullshit, since all of the taxes and fees are studiously not included. Actual cost is always about double the ad rates. |
| krw <krw@nowhere.com>: Oct 07 09:43AM -0400 On Fri, 07 Oct 2016 03:19:07 -0800, Robert Baer >> faster than DSL. > I do not think that there are any "teaser" rates; now advertized >rates is anther story. You're wrong, of course. > Those are always bullshit, since all of the taxes and fees are >studiously not included. Irrelevant. > Actual cost is always about double the ad rates. No. |
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