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"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 16 09:09AM -0800 On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 10:42:41 AM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: > Full story: > http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/1977148/hong-kong-becomes-dumping-ground-us-e-waste   And this is a surprise why? China is rapidly becoming the most polluted country, local and in general, in the history of the planet. With a population of ~1,346,000,000 +/- and a need to "grow" the economy, a healthy environment is far, far back in the needs list.   Were China to consume at the same rate as the US does alone (25% of the world's total energy resources), they would use 125% of what the world produces in energy today - that is from all sources, coal, oil, nuclear, solar, wind, geothermal and more. Not to mention India.   That *we* live as we do requires that *they* live as they do. Full Stop.   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com>: Jan 17 01:13AM +0800 > And this is a surprise why? China is rapidly becoming the most polluted country, local and in general, in the history of the planet. With a population of ~1,346,000,000 +/- and a need to "grow" the economy, a healthy environment is far, far back in the needs list. > Were China to consume at the same rate as the US does alone (25% of the world's total energy resources), they would use 125% of what the world produces in energy today - that is from all sources, coal, oil, nuclear, solar, wind, geothermal and more. Not to mention India.   Because China was given the dirty "mission" to do dirty industry jobs for all other food-producing nations on this planet?   Is this fair to the population there? :)   Anyway, can someone set up a factory in China that demonstrates the world how digital waste and battery fluid could be recycled into harmless forms? Can it be done NOW?   -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa

John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Jan 16 10:18AM -0800 On 2017/01/16 9:13 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:   > Anyway, can someone set up a factory in China that demonstrates the > world how digital waste and battery fluid could be recycled into > harmless forms? Can it be done NOW?   The last I saw of a way to deal with this sort of pollution was to convert the guck into plasma...   Something like this:   http://www.explainthatstuff.com/plasma-arc-recycling.html   There is hope yet for properly dealing with toxic garbage if you can then sort the atoms into their respective elements perhaps using electrostatic or magnetic methods?   John :-#)#     -- (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup) John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

frank <frank@invalid.net>: Jan 16 06:46PM > There is hope yet for properly dealing with toxic garbage if you can > then sort the atoms into their respective elements perhaps using > electrostatic or magnetic methods?   I'm thinking about this method since some years. It costs too much energy to be economically feasible. Also, you really need to have completely ionized nuclei (no electrons) to allow sorting the elements based on charge left. Anyway, someone might have the true genial idea here and come up with a real solution. So far it seems nobody had the right one, otherwise we would be recycling 100% of the wastes everywhere. There're of course political ways to deal with waste problem, but of course the western world will never give away privileges.   F

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 16 11:18AM -0800 On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 12:13:14 PM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:   Please note the interpolations:   > Because China was given the dirty "mission" to do dirty industry jobs > for all other food-producing nations on this planet?   No. China (the government, to be more accurate as the 'people' choose little) *chose* to be the garbage tip of the world. As life has little value either culturally or politically under the present regime, expending vast quantities of an easily obtained, completely expendable resource (people) for even small quantities of more precious commodities (gold, silver, platinum, iridium and more) is a positive outcome. > Is this fair to the population there? :)   No form of government is fair. Nor can it be. That there is a split between the 'haves' and 'have nots' is a necessary condition of governance. The former must be threatened by the latter - and the means to do this is the Government. The condition of greatest fear for any such government is when there are insufficient "Have nots" for that pressure to be perceived. There is no necessity for 'haves' other than as an aspiration. Convenient. > Anyway, can someone set up a factory in China that demonstrates the > world how digital waste and battery fluid could be recycled into > harmless forms? Can it be done NOW?   If the Chinese government saw value in making such a factory, it would happen overnight. As they do not, it will not happen. Or, until the political climate changes substantially it will not happen. Further, under the present regime, any such "Demonstration" would be nothing more than one of Potemkin's Villages - and about as effective.   A clean environment is an indication of National Will - and it requires cooperation at every level to be effective. In the 1960s, American Cities and rivers were often incredible messes with almost nothing alive in the rivers, and foul air prevalent in the cities. Finally it was *ENOUGH*. As a result of the clean-up, many industries either reduced in size, became vastly more efficient - bottom line, tens of thousands of jobs were lost, re-purposed or relocated as a result. And the results from this effort remain and are so taken-for-granted that many of us have forgotten the "Before" conditions - including our president-elect - such that they wish for the 'good old days' - which were not, really.   China reacted as follows: Jobs? We will take all the jobs you are willing to send us - and a few more. Quality? We don't need no stinking quality, we need employment for the masses. Clean air? We prefer the stink - it keeps the people in their place and reminds them of how things are 'getting better'. They can have their high-rise apartments in nearly deserted concrete jungles, with their appliances and cars and so on and so forth. BUT, they still cannot drink the water. But NOT TO MANY of them, as we need to keep that pool of willing aspirants so that the achievers take nothing for granted and continue to work without complaint....   The first, last and only job of the present Chinese Regime is to remain in power (much as here, but with a slightly different methodology). From H.L. Mencken:   The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.   And in the words of Solid Mahogany: The shortages will be divided amongst the peasants.   Democracy is possible only with great wealth, and only if that wealth is sufficiently distributed so that all may participate. China simply has neither the wealth, nor is what is there sufficiently well distributed. Here in the US, it is becoming less so - but that actually does vary from time-to-time. But, Democracy in the US is becoming more and more precarious as its real cost continues to increase.   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

mike <ham789@netzero.net>: Jan 16 03:12PM -0800 > And this is a surprise why? China is rapidly becoming the most polluted country, local and in general, in the history of the planet. With a population of ~1,346,000,000 +/- and a need to "grow" the economy, a healthy environment is far, far back in the needs list.   > Were China to consume at the same rate as the US does alone (25% of the world's total energy resources), they would use 125% of what the world produces in energy today - that is from all sources, coal, oil, nuclear, solar, wind, geothermal and more. Not to mention India.   > That *we* live as we do requires that *they* live as they do. Full Stop.   That fact is lost on the do-gooders who seek to equalize the standard of living. From the perspective of an American, they are having some success. The American standard of living, for the masses, is headed toward that of the third world. Good Job! Equality for all.   Products happen because people will pay whatever it takes to get what they want. Toxic waste happens because people won't pay to recycle that obsolete goodie they once needed so desperately. In a perfect world, you'd price the item to include the total life cycle cost including recycling and environmental impact. In the real world, that creates new opportunities for corporations, individuals and governments to scam the system for profit.   The solution is simple. Terminate the oldest half of the population and feed them to the other half. Ok, maybe it's 2/3, but you get the idea.

Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>: Jan 17 12:32AM -0500

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 17 04:26AM -0800 On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 6:13:13 PM UTC-5, mike wrote:   > From the perspective of an American, they are having some success. > The American standard of living, for the masses, is headed toward that > of the third world. Good Job! Equality for all.   Mike:   That tinfoil hat is interfering with your thought-process - well, maybe not. Your attitude is so quintessentially 'conspiracy/mason/bilderberg' as to be illustrative of the "American Problem". Which is a terrifying combination of entitlement in an unholy mix of industrial grade stupidity and mil.spec. ignorance.   The "they" do not want to be so. They want to be the new "we". And they are working extremely hard to achieve that status. Which we, emphatically, are not. If we, as Americans, wish to retain our primacy we will have to be faster, smarter, work harder, work better, cooperate more freely, and be more focused than our competition. And that competition ranges from the Hutongs of Bejing to the back alleys of Mexico City, to the Souks of Arabia and pretty much everywhere there are those with 'fewer' and 'less' - in everything but intelligence and ambition. Of which you can be very damned sure they have 'more' and 'more'.   You need to keep in mind that the Average American:   Does not have a college education. Does not have a passport. Speaks one language - badly. Has never traveled voluntarily more than 200 miles from his/her birthplace. Has never visited a foreign country, not even Mexico or Canada. Cannot name the Speaker of the House, even today. Cannot name the three branches of government. Does not believe in Evolution (42% creationism, 32% evolution, 26% no opinion). Only 71.2% of eligible voters are registered. Only 57.5% of registered voters voted in 2012. Meaning that the average American eligible to vote does not vote (only 41.5% net). For 2016, that improved to just under 44%.   We are burying ourselves, with no help from those so-called "do-gooders". All the are trying to do is divide *OUR* 25% of the world-pie more equally amongst *OUR* 5% of the world's population. They are no more trying to raise the standard of living for a salvage laborer in China than you are capable of a cohesive thought. They are most certainly NOT trying to lower their own standard of living on behalf of that same laborer.   Our children are our future. And unless they are able to compete on the world stage we - collectively and severally - have none.   Lastly (also a repeat), two quotes from H.L. Mencken:   On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.   and,   The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk>: Jan 17 07:53AM -0500 On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 23:42:41 +0800   > A two year investigation by ­Basel Action Network attached 200 GPS > trackers on broken electronic items in the US and found many ended up > in dumping grounds in the New Territories.   Send the shit to South America.

"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com>: Jan 17 11:21PM +0800 On 17/1/2017 8:53 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:   > Send the shit to South America.   We all knew that every country and nation on this planet just wanna export their waste and sewage! :)   -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa

"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com>: Jan 17 11:22PM +0800 On 17/1/2017 5:44 PM, K Wills (Shill #3) wrote:   > It's supposed to be illegal in the U.S. to sell e-waste to > another country. But other countries keep buying it.   Covert and dark operations, aka smuggling? :)   -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 17 07:33AM -0800 On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 10:22:06 AM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: > On 17/1/2017 5:44 PM, K Wills (Shill #3) wrote:   > > It's supposed to be illegal in the U.S. to sell e-waste to > > another country. But other countries keep buying it.   No, the US is not a signator to the Basel treaty. Nor, under the circumstances, will it be in the foreseeable future. What happens, in essence, is that US "Recyclers" haul the stuff to various locations (typically Ghana and China) and sell it more-or-less to the highest bidder dockside.   This is a real problem which either Ghana or China could solve at the stroke of a pen (sign the treaty). But neither nation is interested as the downline c

"K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com>: Jan 17 03:44AM -0600 On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 23:42:41 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"   >A two year investigation by ­Basel Action Network attached 200 GPS >trackers on broken electronic items in the US and found many ended up in >dumping grounds in the New Territories.   It's supposed to be illegal in the U.S. to sell e-waste to another country. But other countries keep buying it.   -- Shill #3. Strategic Writer, Psychotronic World Dominator and FEMA camp counselor. https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3618/5747904676_1e202191d3_b.jpg All hail the taco! http://www.taconati.org/

avagadro7@gmail.com: Jan 16 11:02AM -0800 is a stained glass iron use able for rosin core solder on copper?

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 16 11:35AM -0800 > is a stained glass iron use able for rosin core solder on copper?   Usable? Certainly. Very practical? Not hardly. Typically the tip is too broad, an gets too hot over too large an area for electronic use. Perhaps for chassis-connections but for circuit boards or single wire connections, not so much.   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Jan 16 03:43PM -0500 In article <4599c4fd-6b5e-441b-8ec7-a413271fbc4b@googlegroups.com>, avagadro7@gmail.com says...   > is a stained glass iron use able for rosin core solder on copper?   It should be fine. You should make sure the tip is cleaned of any acid type flux before using the iron on copper and rosin type solder. That is usually not a problem as when you clean the tip as you should befor putting it to solder the old flux will come off.   Back in my very young days (before 16) I put together a couple of radio kits using the soldering pencil looking thing that came in a wood burning art kit I had. They all worked fine.

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 16 01:02PM -0800 On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 3:43:02 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:     > Back in my very young days (before 16) I put together a couple of radio > kits using the soldering pencil looking thing that came in a wood > burning art kit I had. They all worked fine.   Ummmmmm, ummmmm. Stained Glass soldering irons start at 100 watts. And up.   They more-or-less look like this, bent or straight:   http://www.sunshineglass.com/rcol/c-tools/tool_images/39330h-hex175.jpg   Tip Temperature is typically at/near 700F.   Wood burners can go as high as 800F, most are in the 480-550 range. And so would be OK - at least - for conventional electronic soldering.   Eutectic solder melts ~361F. 480F is a fine tip temperature, pretty much what I use.   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Jan 16 05:47PM -0500 In article <6fcaff0b-4e0b-4ea9-98c1-2f2c999c4f66@googlegroups.com>, pfjw@aol.com says...   > Eutectic solder melts ~361F. 480F is a fine tip temperature, pretty much what I use.   > Peter Wieck > Melrose Park, PA   It all depends on what one is soldering. I have a 100 watt iron my dad used. Back in the tube days they were the 'standard' iron. Think it may have been called a black beauty. I have a 100 watt iron with a very large tip, it may be for the stained glass work. I don't know. Bought it to solder the pl259 coax plugs on the coax cable.   The OP did not state what he was soldering. He may want to put together a couple of # 12 wires so a large iron could be used.

avagadro7@gmail.com: Jan 16 04:01PM -0800 On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 5:46:59 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote: > the coax cable.   > The OP did not state what he was soldering. He may want to put together > a couple of # 12 wires so a large iron could be used.     right...transistor/tubes....I forget. I was on the van roof soldering connectors to waterproof plugs n 10 Ga to 8 Ga for a set of Hella roof lights   3-4 connectors from work end day, the 40 watt Weller quit. I cleaned it. 0-.   went to the box for another . Cleaned it. -0- ..there's a chip   from the factory makes the chip shuts down 'save' when piss runs out of you at the library.   so I went over to Weller.China when I got down n to Amazon/GooShop   n settled on an 80 watt from Weller free shipping.   I had a gun up to 100w or 120w second squeeze...the $100 model.   40 watts drives me crzy. but I forget abt transistors   https://www.google.com/#tbm=shop&q=6146+vacuum+tubes+for+sale&spd=7854636098169798354 !!!

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 16 09:01AM -0800 On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 10:22:11 AM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:     > It would have to be a pretty small car battery for a 750 VA UPS to do > any harm to the car.   I am thinking more of some level of dead-short or similar.   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

mike <ham789@netzero.net>: Jan 16 02:53PM -0800 > I am thinking more of some level of dead-short or similar.   > Peter Wieck > Melrose Park, PA   Have you tried the power interrupt with a very light load, like a 4W night light? That might give you a clue whether the system will run with a new battery.   Use a voltmeter to measure the voltage on the UPS battery when unloaded. Turn on the system, do the power interruption and see what the battery voltage does. Try it with a very light load.   If you're paranoid, put a 20 amp fuse between the car battery and ups battery.   Another option is to hook a car headlight or some other heavy load directly to the UPS battery to see if it is good.   Been my experience that a new UPS on sale is about the same cost as a quality replacement battery for your old one.   I don't have anything mission critical. If my UPS runs the system for 10 seconds, it's done its job. Any power outage longer than that will likely be out for way longer than the run time of any battery system I'm willing to devote to the system.

Retired <Retired@home.com>: Jan 16 11:47AM -0500 On 1/14/17 4:10 PM, Newgene McMensa wrote: > The igniter is out in my gas dryer. Most likely that's it -- there is no clicking sound when starting the dryer like before. It's not worth it to have a repairman come out. It's in an unheated area, so as a temporary fix, I'd like to direct warm dry air from the house to the inlet with a length of duct hose, but don't know where the air comes into the dryer. Anyone know where the air inlet is in these?   > Thanks in advance   > Snuffy   When you get it setup, please post a photo at http://whitetrashrepairs.com/

"Newgene McMensa" <newgene.mcmensaREMOVE@gREMOVEmail.com>: Jan 16 12:01PM -0800 "Retired" <Retired@home.com> wrote in message news:4cednUX2C9K1ZOHFnZ2dnUU7-LednZ2d@giganews.com...   > > Snuffy   > When you get it setup, please post a photo at > http://whitetrashrepairs.com/   LOL! Funny boy!   This is similar and gave me enough info... http://www.johnsavesenergy.com/ClothesDryer.html#.WH0lalKPPlI

"Newgene McMensa" <newgene.mcmensaREMOVE@gREMOVEmail.com>: Jan 16 01:32PM -0800 <pfjw@aol.com> wrote in message news:2fe1bd83-4b78-43d0-8320-509d86957b4a@googlegroups.com... > Oh, the air from your house will be far too humid to dry clothes in the way you describe - unless you have several hours (wool) or days (cotton) to spend on it.   > Air Drying in that cold room is as good or better as the air in that room will be far less humid than that from your house under most condition. If you live in tropical climes, no. But if you are in the great frozen north, or equivalent, yes.   It's very dry here inside, but we keep it cool. Right now, without heat, a normal load of cotton clothes takes about 3 times as long as normal. I usually run one cycle, take out the light stuff and run it 2 more times for jeans & towels.   If I knew where the room air comes in, I can run a 6-ft duct over to a warmer area.

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