Digest for sci.electronics.repair@googlegroups.com - 11 updates in 4 topics

Ken Layton <KLayton888@aol.com>: Feb 01 09:18AM -0800

On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 8:01:18 PM UTC-8, Phil Allison wrote:
 
> I pulled one apart and found the internals totally dried out - as one would expect.
 
> You have not seen one at all.
 
> .... Phil
 
I wasn't saying those were genuine Mallory FP capacitors being sold at Antique Electronics. Some people know the twist prong can style capacitor by the FP designation as an example. Cornell (CDE) and Sprague also produced twist prong can capacitors back in the day.
"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Feb 01 10:28AM -0800

On Wednesday, February 1, 2017 at 12:18:30 PM UTC-5, Ken Layton wrote:
 
 
> I wasn't saying those were genuine Mallory FP capacitors being sold at Antique Electronics. Some people know the twist prong can style capacitor by the FP designation as an example. Cornell (CDE) and Sprague also produced twist prong can capacitors back in the day.
 
Ken:
 
Do you understand the concept of "nailing Jell-O"? Nobody here suggested or implied that Mallory or any of the "old names" were still in the business of making caps, multi-section caps, or even storm doors and windows. What you and I were (an are) suggesting is that multi-section caps are still in production from various suppliers around the world and still readily available to anyone with the means and the will to get them.
 
If one goes to some of these websites and reads carefully, there will be many disclaimers on the NOS stuff, and very specific references on the current-production stuff. Nowhere do any of the makers I linked, again suggest or imply that what they are selling is "fresh" if NOS, or NOS if fresh. CE does make much of using vintage machinery, but to make *NEW* capacitors.
 
Phil is a pimple on the soft underbelly of this hobby. That he has not been lanced-with-prejudice has more to do with his location and pure blind luck. For all that, he is a knowledgeable tech with some good skills. However, if it is not in his world, or does not conform to his idea of the universe, it is suspect and to be rejected. And any person with the temerity to stand up to him - again is in for some very colorful invective and suggestions of awful fates to come. Consider the hognose snake for similar behavior.
 
Once upon a time, he railed against CFL Lamps with all sorts of invective and all sorts of (bad) data and anecdotal referrals.
 
Not much later, he railed against someone who complained about them with equally accurate information.
 
Once upon a time he railed against the entire concept of an isolation transformer. Then.... you get the picture.
 
As he experiences his various epiphanies, he becomes equally righteous,but on the other side. What he does not do is learn from such.
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>: Feb 01 06:16PM -0800

Ken Layton wrote:
 
> > .... Phil
 
> I wasn't saying those were genuine Mallory FP capacitors being
> sold at Antique Electronics.
 
** You have no clue about what you are saying.
 
Piss off.
 
 
..... Phil
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>: Feb 01 06:29PM -0800


> Nowhere do any of the makers I linked, again suggest or imply that
> what they are selling is "fresh" if NOS, or NOS if fresh. CE does
> make much of using vintage machinery, but to make *NEW* capacitors.
 
** But in fact the CE brand caps are 50+ years old, dried out and worthless.
 

> Once upon a time, he railed against CFL Lamps with all sorts of invective
> and all sorts of (bad) data and anecdotal referrals.
 
** What I posted about CFLs was 100% correct.
 

> Once upon a time he railed against the entire concept of an isolation
> transformer.
 
** What I posted was 100% correct but incomprehensible to the Wieck retard.
 
 
Be aware:
 
Wieck is a mental retard plus incorrigible LIAR and and criminal defamer.
 
He lives only to troll.
 
Lets hope that is not for much longer.
 
 
 
.... Phil
"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Feb 02 06:42AM -0800

On Wednesday, February 1, 2017 at 9:29:51 PM UTC-5, Phil Allison wrote:
 
> ** But in fact the CE brand caps are 50+ years old, dried out and worthless.
 
 
In the probably vain hope that there is still a few sane neurons firing in your agitated, fear-ridden brain - what do you derive from this?
 
https://www.cedist.com/products/capacitors?filters=Brand%3DCE%20Manufacturing
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
ohger1s@gmail.com: Feb 02 07:15AM -0800


> https://www.cedist.com/products/capacitors?filters=Brand%3DCE%20Manufacturing
 
> Peter Wieck
> Melrose Park, PA
 
Peter you seem like a good guy, but you're not paying attention to what's going on in the world.
 
A few years back Geraldo Rivera did a TV special where a hidden vault, chock full of old electronic components, was opened. They found many thousands of (strangely and coincidentally) the most popular canned capacitors that would be most in demand years later. All of these were thoroughly cleaned, buffed, and relabeled. Oddly, of the thousands that were sold dried up and inert, no one figured out the cans themselves were defective and were in fact just old dead stock, except Phil.
 
You can do better..
jaugustine@verizon.net: Feb 01 01:44PM


>I never did that !
 
>But it looks like the memory saving battery dead.
 
Look165,
 
Obviously you have not fixed this problem on this model because
there is NO "memory saving battery" in this unit.
 
I'LL REPEAT MY QUESTION:
 
Has anyone fixed this problem (same model with same issue)?
 
Thank You in advance, John
 
 
 
John Keiser <johnkeiser@juno.com>: Feb 01 02:42PM -1000

I do not have the same unit but a similar experience with a simple LG
DVD player: The player frequently hangs before getting to HELLO,
requiring that I unplug and replug the unit.
I inserted a DVD in the tray and now it initializes fine.
My "guess" is that the CPU looks for a DVD in the tray and, not getting
the expected feedback, hangs.
This is probably a mechanical issue with the DVD mechanism but I was
satisfied with leaving a DVD in the tray to get to HELLO.
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>: Feb 01 07:52PM -0500

"Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com>: Feb 01 06:47PM

"Jeroni Paul" <JERONI.PAUL@terra.es> wrote in message
news:597afb38-e13f-46af-aae4-7361309be2e9@googlegroups.com...
> If it doesn't it could still be a failed electrolytic whose function is
> not critical for operation, sometimes such capacitor will have a bulged
> top or leak.
 
A Freeview PVR I had to recap the PSU failed again after about a year - it
had been flaky coming out of standby and eventually wouldn't at all. It
turned out to be a small electrolytic I'd missed the first time. It was on a
low current always on 12V rail.
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com>: Feb 02 01:31AM +0800

A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes
 
Full story:
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/31/small-town-sudden-power-surge-fried-tech-gear-in-hundreds-homes.html
 
 
Residents in the small Pennsylvania town of Brookville must've wondered
what on earth was going on earlier this month when a sudden power surge
caused electrical appliances and gizmos in up to 1,000 homes to fry,
explode, or simply conk out.
 
What may have momentarily seemed like some kind of weird supernatural
happening was actually an electrical surge caused by a failed power line
component, according to an AP report. Local media said that "damage
ranged from residents losing a refrigerator to losing all appliances in
the kitchen or losing everything in the house."
 
Up to a quarter of the town's 4,000 residents were thought to have been
affected by the incident, with many reporting fried computers, burned
electrical meters, and damaged power strips. Some even spoke of
fluorescent lights suddenly exploding.
 
When the surge occurred, the high volume of calls flooding into the
emergency services forced the local fire department to call for extra
help from three nearby facilities.
 
As for the local cops, the incident tripped its main office radio,
causing them to miss the first emergency calls. The first they knew
something was up was when they heard the fire trucks roaring through the
town.
 
"We were fortunate that nobody was hurt," Tracy Zents, the director of
Jefferson County's Department of Emergency Services, told AP.
 
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