Digest for sci.electronics.repair@googlegroups.com - 20 updates in 7 topics

oldschool@tubes.com: Mar 22 03:17AM -0500

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 18:08:33 -0800, Stijn De Jong
>http://i.cubeupload.com/lYvIsQ.jpg
 
>I realize probably nobody knows the answer but just in case you do, what
>service on Android does the WiFi access-point scanning anyway?
 
I cant answer your question, but I want to ask. Do you like Android?
 
I bought one of those low priced generic brand notepad computers.
(Android). I personally do not like it. It works, but seems very clumsy,
lacks a lot of the things that Windows has, and seems to severely lack
any support.
 
That notepad now takes up space in my closet, and I went back to my 8
year old Windows XP laptop computer. It does so much more, does it
easier, and has a lot more support.
 
Android seems to be on a lot of devices these days, but I am surely NOT
impressed by it.
 
Just my 2 cents!
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>: Mar 22 12:39PM +0100

> easier, and has a lot more support.
 
> Android seems to be on a lot of devices these days, but I am surely NOT
> impressed by it.
 
IMHO, a tablet is not a "work computer". I don't see it for writing
reports or calc sheets. However, it is very good for reading things,
watching videos... and in that role, Android is a much better OS than
any Windows.
 
While saying that, remember that XP is _not_ supported.
 
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Mar 22 08:11AM -0700

>(Android). I personally do not like it. It works, but seems very clumsy,
>lacks a lot of the things that Windows has, and seems to severely lack
>any support.
 
What things that you need to do is lacking in Android? That does not
mean which programs do you want to run. It's more like "what do you
want to do with your computah"?
 
If you're looking for a Windoze replacement, I suggest you look at a
Chromebook. It's similar to Android, but currently does not run
Android apps. Chromebooks are cheap, totally functional, cheap, used
heavily in skools, cheap, and do most things that you might need. No,
they don't run Windoze programs, but there are equivalents available.
<http://stores.ebay.com/Acer/Chromebooks-/_i.html?_fsub=7070078010>
<http://acerrecertified.com/chromebooks/>
Did I mention that they're cheap? The big catch is that you need a
full time internet connection for it to work well. If you're on
dialup, forget it. Most everything is done in the cloud, which can
also become a security and privacy risk if misconfigured.
 
I recently bought yet another Chromebook for my own use. One like
this for $185.
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acer-15-6-Intel-Celeron-1-50-GHz-4-GB-Ram-16-GB-SSD-Chrome-OS-CB5-571-C1DZ-/272203918118>
It's a little to big to drag around so I'll be keeping my smaller Acer
C720 (about $175 used) for looking cool at the coffee shop. I also
have a small collection of ancient Samsung Chromebooks, which I loan
to customers to try. Slow, but good enough.
 
Lack of support is a common problem. With Windoze, you probably need
support as there are so many glitches and oddities. While your XP
machine has had about 15 years to fix things and is probably
manageable, the newer machines running Windoze 10 are an abomination.
Look at it this way... if your new computer requires support in order
to function, you're doing something wrong. If it works correctly, it
shouldn't need support. Look at it another way... if skool kids can
run a Chromebook, you should also be able to run one.
"Google's Chromebooks make up half of US classroom devices sold"
<http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/03/googles-chromebooks-make-up-half-of-us-classroom-devices.html>
 
If you're looking for programs, start at the Google Chrome store:
<https://chrome.google.com/webstore/>
and search for something. Basically, the way a Chromebooks works is
that it will run anything that can be run inside the Chrome web
browser. If it's available for Chrome as a web app or extension, then
it will run. Web printing is a bit bizarre, but tolerable once you
realize the your Chromebook doesn't need to drag around megabloats of
printer drivers for every conceivable printer just to print.
 
As for tablets, I have a Google Nexus 7 Android tablet. Actually, I
have several other high end tablets, all sitting in the closet. The
only things I use the tablet for is wireless trouble shooting and
playing Solitaire. Otherwise, it's a PITA to use without a keyboard.
Enough about tablets.
 
If you decide to rush out and buy a Chromebook, please buy one with
4GB of RAM, not 2GB. Like XP, ChromeOS is growing and 2GB is too
small for decent performance.
 
Anyway, just visit any skool or ask any skool kid for a demonstration.
 
Incidentally, most of the Chromebooks I've resold or advised customer
to purchase were purchased as a "spare" laptop to take on trips.
Getting a really expensive laptop stolen on a trip can be a big
problem. So, instead of dragging a $1,000 Windoze laptop on a trip
just to use email, they carry a $150-$300 Chromebook instead. If it's
stolen, it's not a major loss.
 
Also, ChromeOS will eventually be able to run Android and possibly
Windoze apps. Google is slooooowly working on it.
<https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/chromium-os/chrome-os-systems-supporting-android-apps>
There are currently only 3 models that will run Android apps. I tried
an Acer R11 and was not impressed.
 
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"Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com>: Mar 21 09:18PM

<oldschool@tubes.com> wrote in message
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> is to power some speakers for my computer's sound. Although this is no
> high powered amplifier, it does the job, and sounds 100 times better
> than those cheap "amplified computer speakers".
 
Just get some Altec-Lansing PC speakers (I did - several pairs). The ones I
have are basic single drive units, the plastic cases are sturdy and they
sound pretty good.
 
One pair was thrown in with a refurb PC - the rest came from a free
recycling group.
oldschool@tubes.com: Mar 22 02:47AM -0500

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:25:51 -0700 (PDT), "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>
wrote:
 
> Given its purpose, I suggest you live with its quirks as from your description,
>it eventually does work. By the time you are done with it, unless you are exce
>edingly lucky or there is a directly visible problem, it will likely not work.
 
{Quotes snipped because of line length]
 
Yea, it does eventually work, but it also will occasionally shut itself
off right in the middle of some music or something. There is no rhyme of
reason that it shuts off, but it does and all the LEDS and everything go
off. From what you described, I doubt I want to evne mess with it. This
is the kind of stuff I dont like working on. I may take a look inside,
but I think it's time to begin looking for another amp, and one that's
older. I prefer tube amps for an actual stereo system, but for a
computer amp, a decent older transistorized unit would be fine. This has
a radio, but I dont need it. All I need is a power amp with a AUX or
TAPE input.
 
I find it disturbing that Koss is out of business, I remember when they
were the top of the line for headphones.
"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Mar 22 04:08AM -0700

Koss is doing just fine. Their electronics division is gone. Historically, many transducer companies, starting with KLH, AR, Advent, ADS and many others have run aground when attempting electronics. Why should Koss be any different?
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
avagadro7@gmail.com: Mar 22 06:02AM -0700

> Koss is doing just fine. Their electronics division is gone. Historically, many transducer companies, starting with KLH, AR, Advent, ADS and many others have run aground when attempting electronics. Why should Koss be any different?
 
> Peter Wieck
> Melrose Park, PA
 
ARE these companies from New England ?
 
the switch problem rests in the function. switches generally last as switches live a low stress life. except for rotaries, possibly emergency switches in mobile units, switches just slid n switch. there's a axle or pivots ? any signs of wear .... in the Gobi for 20 years ....
 
so if the switch is sprayed with cleaner n lubricant.... once twice three times CRC is used as a pressure flow device...the switch should resume switching.
 
there's one here near the floor had several doses of fruit juice. intermittent but cleaned wroks good.
 
I'll look for the Koss ..
 
KLOSS ....
 
https://www.google.com/#q=koss+KLH,+AR,+Advent,+ADS+NEW+ENGLAND+ELECTRONICS+INDUSTRY&*&spf=895
 
the forum has historians
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Mar 21 05:45PM -0700


>https://goo.gl/kDK0d3
>There's a group of 'schematics'
 
Try one of these pin diagrams instead:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=samsung+headset+connector+wiring&tbm=isch>
This looks right:
<http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/invinciblegod/TRRSConnector3-1.png>
It's a TRRS (Tip-Ring1-Ring2-Sleeve) connector.
 
>Serious work fir 2 channels but mono's OK ...not sure if S5 delivers mono.
 
Nope. It's stereo on the Tip (right channel) and Ring1 (left
channel).
 
>There is the problem of a silicone sheath ground 'wire' in there ?
>If so heating the tip burns off the Si prob crimped in...is this correct ?
 
That would destroy the connector. Soldering to the contacts works
better than burning up the insulators with the soldering iron.
 
>How about an AL or copper rectangle placed into the female n
>secured via a bend n run on the case ?
 
You'll never get it into the hole in the jack unless you have a
microscope and are very good with a micro-manipulator. It also won't
stay in place as any glue used to hold the copper in place will get
hot, melt the glue, and cause the copper to fall off. You could
take apart the S5 and fix the jack, but that's difficult because it's
too well sealed.
 
You can buy a replacement headset connector for about $10.
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Samsung-Galaxy-S5-Headset-Jack-Audio-Port-Connector-Verizon-G900V-AT-T-G900A-/301713329596>
<https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Parts/Galaxy-S5-Headphone-Jack/IF236-012-1>
I think this would be your best option. Disassembly instructions:
<https://www.ifixit.com/Device/Samsung_Galaxy_S5>
Try really hard not to screw up the phone.
 
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
avagadro7@gmail.com: Mar 21 07:22PM -0700

The female is too wide. Before posting I expected an AL foil fix n your post traveled into a shim ...
 
Why, had you soldered n not tried a shim
?
isw <isw@witzend.com>: Mar 21 08:12PM -0700

In article <lmh3dchegsme3rv86n0dn7qnpgelnsjr62@4ax.com>,
 
> >Serious work fir 2 channels but mono's OK ...not sure if S5 delivers mono.
 
> Nope. It's stereo on the Tip (right channel) and Ring1 (left
> channel).
 
When I read that, my memory started yelling RED! RIGHT! RING!.
 
So I checked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_connector_(audio)
 
Isaac
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Mar 21 10:17PM -0700


>When I read that, my memory started yelling RED! RIGHT! RING!.
>So I checked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_connector_(audio)
>Isaac
 
Yeah, something like that. Red is right and Green is left are
somewhat consistent among the headset, earphone, and microphone
connections. However, everything else, including ground, is insane.
<http://www.circuitbasics.com/how-to-hack-a-headphone-jack/>
I find myself using an ohms-guesser to check the connections just in
case someone decided to be creative.
 
Standards are a good thing. Every company should have one.
 
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Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Mar 21 10:23PM -0700


>The female is too wide.
 
Older women are like that. I suggest you get used to it.
 
>Before posting I expected an AL foil fix n your
>post traveled into a shim ...
 
Aluminum foil is flimsy and falls apart.
 
>Why, had you soldered n not tried a shim ?
 
Because my soldering iron and box of connectors was a few cubits away
from my chair, while my brass and steel shim stock collection was in
my office about 12 miles away. Building a pigail seemed easier than
playing with tiny slivers of shim stock.
 
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
avagadro7@gmail.com: Mar 22 04:45AM -0700

Tried further enlargement of the female allowing an effective connection fit with the shim ?
 
Held one of the female units ? How does the metal expand in the casing ? Or how was that done ?
 
Looking for a mechanical solution.
 
Your soldering skills are beyond what I can forsee ....
 
Tho if mono works language ...no music...
 
Then on the ground area is the necessary connection M-F
"David Farber" <farberbear.unspam@aol.com>: Mar 21 06:33PM -0700

David Farber wrote:
>> m
 
> I was wondering the same thing! I will check and report back to you.
 
> Thanks for your reply.
 
Your suggestion of adding some dc voltage to the + inputs led me to this
webpage:
http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/circuits/opamp_non_inverting/op_amp_non-inverting.php
 
There is a section there called: *AC coupling the non-inverting op-amp
circuit.Using that guide, I added 100k resistors from the + inputs to ground
and now the DC doesn't go above 20mV. I also noticed that whoever worked on
that pc board before replaced many of the caps. Most of the replacements
involved changing the 4.7番 values to 10番 values. I will replace those with
the original values.
 
Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.
--
 
David Farber
Los Osos, CA
avagadro7@gmail.com: Mar 21 02:46PM -0700

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/167-5345386-2606110?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=USB+Charger+Doctor+voltmeter+ammeter+Amp+Voltage+Tester+Detector
 
next 5 watts on 20 meters
 
blood pressure, O2 .......
avagadro7@gmail.com: Mar 21 02:58PM -0700

charge in use
 
and
 
charge not in use
 
are 2 separate circuits
avagadro7@gmail.com: Mar 21 03:00PM -0700


> and
 
> charge not in use
 
> are 2 separate circuits
 
SUI
avagadro7@gmail.com: Mar 21 03:09PM -0700

ahhhhhhhhh next week's allowance
 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YALV0NG?psc=1
 
whattsa booyalvong ? Utahspeak ?
MJC <gravity@mjcoon.plus.com>: Mar 21 09:40PM

In article <I1aAA.231660$2K7.2132@fx18.am4>, randall@sosouix.net says...
 
Did you mean "flaw"?
 
Mike.
Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com>: Mar 21 06:18PM

On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:34:08 -0700, John Robertson wrote:
 
> You may be able to find your BF472s sourced from India:
 
> http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/269984-bf471-472-good-
replacement-2sa1381-2sc3503.html
> the device recently according to the referenced PDF. You may have luck
> tracing the part through CDLI's distribution network. It never hurts to
> ask!
 
Is Indian stuff kosher? Like others here I've had big problems with fake
semis from the far east; voltage regs in particular.
 
> ordering anything. A simple gain test should suffice. Try to find a
> reliable source for these transistors, there are a lot of Chinese (etc.)
> fakes out there!
 
Oh yes, see above!
 
> Have you upgraded the electrolytic capacitors in your scope? They are
> most likely well past their Best-Before date!
 
They were *all* totally fine! I mean I'm sure they're not as they were
when new, but none of us are. ;-) The fault with that scope (if it's the
one I'm thinking of) turned out to be a diode in the SMPS section that
someone had subbed with an inferior part. It needed a fast recovery diode
and someone had stuck in the first spare diode the could find I'd
imagine. It would have worked fine at 50Hz but this was 20kHz. One of the
guys who posts here spotted it from a photo I posted!
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