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rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 18 09:37AM -0500 >> When was it originally usable?   > when they were released with windows 2 or perhaps earlier. > Was there a point you wished to make?   I saw Windows 2 and it was virtually unusable on a 286 PC which was the fastest at the time.   --   Rick C   Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998

Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Jan 17 11:07PM -0500 In article <7993b88f-3489-4e63-a1d5-4b84a4020a0d@googlegroups.com>, jurb6006@gmail.com says...   > Anyway, the government is not the one who will force your upgrade to the dumpster, it will be software manufacturers.     I had to go to a Win 10 computer from XP just so I could run a tax program. Partly the same way I had to move from Win 98 a number of years ago to do the taxes.   Each upgrade of Windows causes me to have to keep another machine running. I have laptops running Dos and WFW 3.11 to run some programs, another ruunig Win 98, Win XP and Win 10. I did manage to bypass the win 7 and 8 versions. The had to buy a newer version of Office to run on a new laptop. Just glad I found someone on ebay that sells the key (or whatever) for under $ 10 for the 2016 version.   I don't care for what microsoft has to offer, other than the Office set, I don't run anything or do anything with microsoft once I get the computer up and running.

rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 18 01:39AM -0500 Ralph Mowery wrote on 1/17/2018 11:07 PM: > win 7 and 8 versions. The had to buy a newer version of Office to run > on a new laptop. Just glad I found someone on ebay that sells the key > (or whatever) for under $ 10 for the 2016 version.   Maybe your problem isn't the OS, maybe it's the applications you want to run. I haven't used MS Office in a decade or more. LibreOffice works great and just seems to work everywhere I want to use it.     > I don't care for what microsoft has to offer, other than the Office set, > I don't run anything or do anything with microsoft once I get the > computer up and running.   I will say I miss Visio. But then I was using that before MS bought them.   --   Rick C   Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998

rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 18 04:07AM -0500 >> Once you learnt 98's many foibles and got it running sufficiently, it's then near zero effort to keep running it. Hence many of us ran it when there were in some ways better OSes available. But I sure do not regret going linux, and watch people's endless win up/down/sideways-grade nightmares with bemusement. Why people are so keen to volunteer for their own misery I don't know.   >> NT   > Somewhere out there there's a set of windows 2 apps made to run on modern windows. They're still usable.   What do you mean "still" usable. When was it originally usable?   --   Rick C   Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998

oldschool@tubes.com: Jan 17 03:39PM -0600 On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:59:41 -0800, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch   >Does it not have USB ports? Disregarding the utter ridiculousness of >still using Windows 98 in 2018, it supports USB just fine (since Windows >95 OSR 2.1, around 1997 - 21 years ago nearly).   When the government makes it mandatory to upgrade to the latest version of Windows, I'll be the first person to throw my computer in the garbage. I use both Win98 and XP. I wont touch anything newer.   I recently had the misfortune of someone handing me a computer with Windows 8. They asked me to do someting with it. As soon as I saw that butt ugly Metro screen, I closed the lid and told them to toss it in the nearest garbage can.   Just for the record, Win 95 and 98 did not have good USB support. That was just the one drawback of Win 9.x. Otherwise it was far superior to anything made by MS since. Win98SE works better for me than any other OS I have ever used. But XP is tolerable too, just lacks in some ways.   One other thing, I still use DOS, a USB mouse or keyboard wont work on Dos.

rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 17 06:45PM -0500 > I have ever used. But XP is tolerable too, just lacks in some ways.   > One other thing, I still use DOS, a USB mouse or keyboard wont work on > Dos.   I believe they made minor tweaks to 98 to create Windows ME and then discontinued that OS line. The reason was it was designed from the ground up to be insecure and unstable. It was impossible to provide the sort of protection from misbehaving applications and malware that the "real" OS line descended from NT has. I recall my copy of Windows 98 had gotten so full of poorly written drivers that it would crash about once an hour. I got my hands on a copy of of Win2k and my life was forever changed. If you are going to obsess with a version of Windows, THAT is the one.   Windows 98 is a real piece of crap and anyone who is obsessed with running it has so much to learn. But then we pretty much know that about you anyway. So no surprises there. BTW, this was typed on a Windows 8 machine that hasn't been rebooted in well over a month. Hmmm... 1 hour, 1 month... I wonder which is better?   --   Rick C   Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998

Harold Newton <harold@example.com>: Jan 22 05:00AM On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 05:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Harold Newton wrote:   > You have to admit, Apple Marketing is sheer genius!   And now they're canceling the iPhone X production this summer.   Apple Leak Reveals Sudden iPhone X Cancellation <https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/01/21/apple-iphone-x-buy-sales-specs-new-iphone-release-date/>   "It may be the smartphone of the moment, but a new leak reveals will soon cancel the iPhone X. And the source could not be more credible."   "Acclaimed KGI Securities' analyst Ming-Chi Kuo says disappointing sales of the iPhone X will lead to the cancellation of the model "with production ceasing in the summer". This would be the first time Apple has cancelled an iPhone model after just one generation since the iPhone 5C in 2014."

Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Jan 22 12:30AM -0600 On 1/21/18 11:00 PM, Harold Newton wrote: > On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 05:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Harold Newton wrote:   >> You have to admit, Apple Marketing is sheer genius!   Still talking to yourself?   Piss off.     -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com

Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com>: Jan 18 03:19AM On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 05:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Harold Newton wrote:   > You'll never hear me ever say Apple Marketing is stupid.   Apple CEO Tim Cook Says Power Management Feature in Older iPhones Will Be Able to Be Turned Off in Future Update <https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/17/tim-cook-on-iphone-battery-controversy/>   "Previously there was no clear notice that it would cause devices to operate slowly."   "Cook says Apple will also allow customers to turn off the power management feature ... first in a developer release that happens next month."   "We will tell someone we're reducing your performance ...and if you don't want [reduced performance], you can turn it off."

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 18 01:28AM -0500 In article <p3pejv$19lo$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Harold Newton   > Notice the implication that Apple is quietly *destroying* the evidence in > the class action lawsuit cases, by swapping out the defective batteries and > not preserving them.   they don't need the old batteries to have the diagnostic data.

Harold Newton <harold@example.com>: Jan 18 06:25AM On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 03:19:56 +-0000 (UTC), Harry Newton wrote:   > "We will tell someone we're reducing your performance ...and if you > don't want [reduced performance], you can turn it off."   "Apple should be required to preserve that data and produce it to Plaintiff+IBk-s counsel," said Levitt in a statement.   "Levitt says he filed the injunction... which charges Apple deceived many of its customers into buying brand new iPhones by rolling out its iOS throttling software, causing them material financial damages."   "Apple has a policy of getting rid of batteries it pulls out of phones, and we want the diagnostics. We want to make sure everything is preserved" he said."   Notice the implication that Apple is quietly *destroying* the evidence in the class action lawsuit cases, by swapping out the defective batteries and not preserving them.   Nobody should ever say Apple Marketing is stupid! <https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2018/01/16/those-old-iphone-batteries-suing-lawyer-wants-apple-keep-them/1037770001/>

Harold Newton <harold@example.com>: Jan 22 05:00AM On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 15:28:50 +0000 (UTC), harry newton wrote:   > Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in HALF!   Apple just canceled the iPhone X.   Read this: Apple Leak Reveals Sudden iPhone X Cancellation <https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/01/21/apple-iphone-x-buy-sales-specs-new-iphone-release-date/>   "It may be the smartphone of the moment, but a new leak reveals will soon cancel the iPhone X. And the source could not be more credible."   "Acclaimed KGI Securities' analyst Ming-Chi Kuo says disappointing sales of the iPhone X will lead to the cancellation of the model "with production ceasing in the summer". This would be the first time Apple has cancelled an iPhone model after just one generation since the iPhone 5C in 2014."   Also, Tim Cook is currently caught in a bunch of outright lies.   Read this: <https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/01/18/apple-ios-11-3-release-upgrade-iphone-shutdown-iphone-battery-problem/>   "Apple's Reasoning Still Doesn't Add Up" "Apple's Transparency Still Sucks"   "Apple's Reasoning Still Doesn't Add Up" "The company blames the natural degradation of lithium-ion batteries, without addressing why rivals state such measures are unnecessary. Samsung in particular reiterated to me it can retain 95% lithium-ion battery capacity for at least two years."   "Apple also hasn't explained why the first six generations of iPhones were unaffected (even the 2007 original iPhone had a 1400 mAh lithium-ion battery) or why "protective" stability measures weren't required in the first nine generations of iOS (throttling began with the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6S in iOS 10.2.1, released in January 2017)."   "Apple's Transparency Still Sucks" "Let's be frank, for all Tim Cook's claims of transparency moving forward, the only reason Apple is doing any of this is because it was caught out. Furthermore, in speaking to ABC, Cook appears to be rewriting history".   NOTE: It has been proven the "power management" part was added way *later* to the original January release notes, and *never* to the iPhone 7 release notes. ? Evidence Apple cleverly manipulated iOS release notes on "power management" after the fact ? <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/KXhivHMvrlY>   "But I was paying attention. I review iOS releases, my exclusive broke the original shutdown problem and here's the "clarity" offered by the iOS 10.2.1 release notes: "iOS 10.2.1 includes bug fixes and improves the security of your device."   "It was no better one year later either. When Apple launched iOS 11.2 in December 2017, the update added potential performance throttling for the iPhone 7. The iOS 11.2 release notes said: "iOS 11.2 introduces Apple Pay Cash to send, request and receive money from friends and family with Apple Pay. This update also includes bug fixes and improvements."   "Yes Tim, this could've been clearer."   "For those who bought an iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus or iPhone X last year only to find out performance throttling is likely to begin this year may feel shortchanged as well."   Trust: "So iOS 11.3 is indeed The Big One. Obviously it's big for iPhone owners, but it's equally big for Apple because - done right - it can do more than just restore iPhones. It can do what Apple has singularly failed to do with words: it can restore trust."

Harold Newton <harold@example.com>: Jan 22 05:02AM Apple Leak Reveals Sudden iPhone X Cancellation <https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/01/21/apple-iphone-x-buy-sales-specs-new-iphone-release-date/>   "It may be the smartphone of the moment, but a new leak reveals will soon cancel the iPhone X. And the source could not be more credible."   "Acclaimed KGI Securities' analyst Ming-Chi Kuo says disappointing sales of the iPhone X will lead to the cancellation of the model "with production ceasing in the summer". This would be the first time Apple has cancelled an iPhone model after just one generation since the iPhone 5C in 2014."

Harold Newton <harold@example.com>: Jan 22 05:02AM Read this: <https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/01/18/apple-ios-11-3-release-upgrade-iphone-shutdown-iphone-battery-problem/>   "Apple's Reasoning Still Doesn't Add Up" "Apple's Transparency Still Sucks"   "Apple's Reasoning Still Doesn't Add Up" "The company blames the natural degradation of lithium-ion batteries, without addressing why rivals state such measures are unnecessary. Samsung in particular reiterated to me it can retain 95% lithium-ion battery capacity for at least two years."   "Apple also hasn't explained why the first six generations of iPhones were unaffected (even the 2007 original iPhone had a 1400 mAh lithium-ion battery) or why "protective" stability measures weren't required in the first nine generations of iOS (throttling began with the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6S in iOS 10.2.1, released in January 2017)."   "Apple's Transparency Still Sucks" "Let's be frank, for all Tim Cook's claims of transparency moving forward, the only reason Apple is doing any of this is because it was caught out. Furthermore, in speaking to ABC, Cook appears to be rewriting history".   NOTE: It has been proven the "power management" part was added way *later* to the original January release notes, and *never* to the iPhone 7 release notes. ? Evidence Apple cleverly manipulated iOS release notes on "power management" after the fact ? <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/KXhivHMvrlY>   "But I was paying attention. I review iOS releases, my exclusive broke the original shutdown problem and here's the "clarity" offered by the iOS 10.2.1 release notes: "iOS 10.2.1 includes bug fixes and improves the security of your device."   "It was no better one year later either. When Apple launched iOS 11.2 in December 2017, the update added potential performance throttling for the iPhone 7. The iOS 11.2 release notes said: "iOS 11.2 introduces Apple Pay Cash to send, request and receive money from friends and family with Apple Pay. This update also includes bug fixes and improvements."   "Yes Tim, this could've been clearer."   "For those who bought an iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus or iPhone X last year only to find out performance throttling is likely to begin this year may feel shortchanged as well."   Trust: "So iOS 11.3 is indeed The Big One. Obviously it's big for iPhone owners, but it's equally big for Apple because - done right - it can do more than just restore iPhones. It can do what Apple has singularly failed to do with words: it can restore trust."

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 22 12:04AM -0500 In article <p43r69$deo$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Harold Newton   > Apple just canceled the iPhone X.   no they didn't.   it's still available and will be for some time to come.

Harold Newton <harold@example.com>: Jan 18 03:17AM Apple CEO Tim Cook Says Power Management Feature in Older iPhones Will Be Able to Be Turned Off in Future Update <https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/17/tim-cook-on-iphone-battery-controversy/>   "Previously there was no clear notice that it would cause devices to operate slowly."   "Cook says Apple will also allow customers to turn off the power management feature ... first in a developer release that happens next month."   "We will tell someone we're reducing your performance ...and if you don't want it, you can turn it off."

rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 17 11:15PM -0500 Harry Newton wrote on 1/11/2018 2:02 PM:   > Here's what he does all the time: > rickman: Your equation of 1+1=3 is wrong; so it needs to be fixed. > nopsam: There isn't anything to fix.   I gave up reading this conversation some time back. I only read this message out of idle curiosity. The conversation ended for all practical purposes. There is no point in partaking in the meta-discussion, so I'm out. If you keep arguing with them as to who is the bigger butt head, that's on you.   --   Rick C   Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998

blisca <blisca@tiscali.it>: Jan 21 11:24PM +0100 Hi , please,forgive the form of my English   i have to repair an industrial motherboard, model ITOX G4S300, it is necessary to make a machine working,capacitors were already changed in recent past. Disks diconnectd,CPU and memory replaced,tried with onboard and AGP video card,no video outputs,beeps neither ,the only sign of working are spinning fans . +12V,+5V and +3V are present on ATX connector The most noticeable thing is the lack of any PWM activity on the gates of each of 6 MOSFETS forming the buck converter, commonly placed close to the CPU. The question is: is this dependent only by the PWM controller itself or something wrong from the BIOS (that of course i can't check) or from other hardware could stop the buck converter from working? In other words,the PWM should run in any condition or not?   Many thanks for your help and your time spent reading this   Diego Milan,Italy   --- Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG. http://www.avg.com

mike <ham789@netzero.net>: Jan 21 04:37PM -0800 On 1/21/2018 2:24 PM, blisca wrote:   > i have to repair an industrial motherboard, model ITOX G4S300, > it is necessary to make a machine working,capacitors were already > changed in recent past. Were ALL the caps changed? I once had a cap over by the video circuit fail and cause the system not to boot. Did the system function after that? What were the circumstances leading up to the current failure? > video card,no video outputs,beeps neither > ,the only sign of working are spinning fans . > +12V,+5V and +3V are present on ATX connector Did you check those supplies with an oscilloscope looking for spikes? I've had circuits destroyed or weakened causing later failures from voltage spikes allowed by the caps previously replaced. I had one repeat failure from a cold solder joint on one of the previously replaced caps.   > The most noticeable thing is the lack of any PWM activity on the gates > of each of 6 MOSFETS forming the buck converter, commonly placed close > to the CPU. I don't think there's any chance that the cpu can run with no supply voltage. > from the BIOS (that of course i can't check) or from other hardware > could stop the buck converter from working? > In other words,the PWM should run in any condition or not? First thing I'd do is look up the specs on the PWM controller chip, look at the circuits in the app note to see if there's a control input and look at that with a scope.   > --- > Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG. > http://www.avg.com   Did you check for source volts right at the PWM controller with an oscilloscope so that you can see if the supply is trying to start? Fuses in the path?

blisca <blisca@tiscali.it>: Jan 22 10:20AM +0100 In data gennaio 2018 alle ore 01:37:49, mike <ham789@netzero.net> ha scritto:   > On 1/21/2018 2:24 PM, blisca wrote: Thanks Mike >> it is necessary to make a machine working,capacitors were already >> changed in recent past. > Were ALL the caps changed? Many,but let me check again I once had a cap over by the video circuit > fail and cause the system not to boot. > Did the system function after that? Yes ,it did for months > What were the circumstances leading up to the current failure? Normal use,the board is mounted in a rack,not much air,but 2 minifan helping cooling >> ,the only sign of working are spinning fans . >> +12V,+5V and +3V are present on ATX connector > Did you check those supplies with an oscilloscope looking for spikes? Yes,no negative spikes tirggers the oscilloscope > from voltage spikes allowed by the caps previously replaced. > I had one repeat failure from a cold solder joint on one of the > previously replaced caps. I will keep it in mind   > First thing I'd do is look up the specs on the PWM controller > chip, look at the circuits in the app note to see if there's > a control input and look at that with a scope.   I'll check it,thanks       > Did you check for source volts right at the PWM controller with > an oscilloscope so that you can see if the supply is trying to start? > Fuses in the path?   Yes i tried but even at start i can't see any PWM attempt to start the buck converter       -- Creato con il client email di Opera: http://www.opera.com/mail/

veasdf@gmail.com: Jan 21 04:29PM -0800 Em sábado, 26 de agosto de 2000 04:00:00 UTC-3, David Faver escreveu: > a living, so I understand all the fundamentals. This is a really weird one.   > Thanks, > Dave I have the same problem, the problem was the speakers that are working under 8 ohms, then change i change'it.

Terry Schwartz <tschw10117@aol.com>: Jan 21 04:37PM -0800 Was that 18 years ago?

John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Jan 21 09:39AM -0800 > God help anyone that takes your advice to heart.   > Peter Wieck > Melrose Park, PA   Thanks Peter, saved me saying much the same thing as indeed not all tap water has not the same conductivity.   Rats, I did say it.   John ;-#)#

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