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Clive Arthur <cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk>: Jan 03 04:11PM > do they paint the stripes on resistors" on google, but all I got was > links explaining how to READ color codes.   > Has anyone ever heard anything about this process?   Resistors are made from a clay-like material containing carbon or other conductor in various amounts. Colourants are added, and the material is rolled and layered into large 'pats', so for example a 4k7 resistor pat might have cream, yellow, cream, violet, cream, red, cream, gold, cream coloured layers. This is rolled to the correct thickness corresponding to the final resistor length, then hollow punches form the resistor bodies, usually several thousand from one pat. The better quality ones are rolled for smoothness and low noise. The wire ends are fitted, the resistors are baked and often varnished. For high accuracy resistors, the depth of one wire end is adjusted on test before the baking stage.   Cheers -- Clive

Baron <baron@linuxmaniac.net>: Jan 03 03:34PM > something else that might be dragging. Anybody know how the things > are really made? Thanks, > Eric   Look for debris between the lens carriage and the magnet on the side that is sticking, or the suspension is twisted and its rubbing.     -- Best Regards: Baron.

harry newton <harry@at.invalid>: Jan 03 05:44AM He who is harry newton said on Wed, 3 Jan 2018 05:15:18 +0000 (UTC):   > In the end, I think Apple has an *easy* problem to solve which is so easy > to solve that it's not funny. But this is a long post so we can leave the > solution to later.   Here's what I posit is the easy solution to this Apple-only problem.   1. They will never come clean until they settle the court cases - it's just not realistic to expect them to tell the truth - so we can expect all sorts of cleverly crafted statements like that so-called apology until and unless the combine the court cases and settle them out of court.   2. Once Apple clears that legal hurdle (which will cost them something like five or ten million dollars and some nearly worthless incentive to consumers, like free batteries or reduced-price batteries in the future or discounts on new phones or whatever) ... then Apple can work on a truthful "fix".   3. The most truthful fix is to eliminate the mandatory throttling - which is to allow the user to decide if they want half an iPhone X in one year or not. But of course, that will kill the batteries if the consumer doesn't opt for half an iPhone X.   4. Hence, the next-most truthful fix is to fix the batteries or to fix the Apple-only Apple-created problem with power management of those batteries.   Notice if Apple opts for the power management fix, then it's likely going to be implemented in the next revision *after* the iPhone X because it might involve changing how they streamline the CPU loads.   If Apple opts to fix the batteries, that has its own problems such as the back of the phone might need to be enlarged to fit the bigger batteries. If they can squeeze a better battery out of the current size, then that's fine - but it's likely not gonna happen - so they have to increase the size of the phone which will invite all sorts of lawsuits in and of itself.   In the end, Apple *knows* all this - which is why they secretly, drastically, and permanently chopped CPU speeds in half after just one year of use in those phones. It was the easy way out of the Apple-created Apple-only design problem.   The good news is that Apple can make a trade-in of the old phone with the newer (perhaps slightly bigger) phone as part of their settlement of the lawsuits. Apple has plenty of money so that is the option that is probably the best for all concerned.   But if Apple continues to attempt to weasle their way out of this Apple-only Apple-design problem with lies, subterfuge, and secrecy, then they will lose a *lot* of customer goodwill (which should be important to them).   Most of the above is conjecture - so please consider it part of an adult perspective on the facts in your adult response.

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 03 06:25AM > He who is Jolly Roger said on 2 Jan 2018 22:00:24 GMT:   >> So few facts, so much time. Life's hard for an old troll!   > Blah blah blah Apple Apologists, blah blah blah blah   Get some new material, old foolish troll.   -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.   JR

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>: Jan 03 01:59AM -0500 On 2018-01-03 00:15, harry newton wrote:   > And why did they *say* they would throttle *all* their phones in the > future?   Disabling the high power/speed cores when battery is bad would be a form of throttling (visible when doing a speed test which would be the type of application that would noprmally go on the high power core).   We'll just have to see what apple does for iPhone 2018 models. (Whether it grows battery capacity such that after 2 years, the battery is still good enough to power the phone in cold weather) or whether this is still done through software throttling.     > I think Apple learned a lesson here which is they should test their phones > in the real world - and where the real world happens to include weather > colder than it gets in Cupertino   The specs mention low operating temperature of 0°, so from a legal point of view, they may be in the clear. (although for the first battery, within a year, I saw it shutdown at +12° once).   > So Apple needs to understand what they did wrong, and how to fix it.   I am pretty sure Apple has known for quite some time. They will just have to break the news to Jony Ive who won't be able to make his baby thinner in 2018.     On the plus side, bigger batteries will give more autonomy as well as proviode enough amps when cold.   > In the end, I think Apple has an *easy* problem to solve which is so easy > to solve that it's not funny.   It's not that easy. If only they could shrink that huge taptic engine to what it used to be like before (a small vibrator). Marketing might not like that.   Apple could grow the smaller phones a bit to allow bigger battery. I have to wonder at what stage the iPhone 9 is at right now and wether it is too late or not to make such a change.

harry newton <harry@at.invalid>: Jan 03 07:23AM He who is JF Mezei said on Wed, 3 Jan 2018 01:59:01 -0500:   > it grows battery capacity such that after 2 years, the battery is still > good enough to power the phone in cold weather) or whether this is still > done through software throttling.   Yup. Apple has to do *something* because nobody wants their $1000 iPhone X to turn into an iPhone 1/2X in just one year.   Apple *knows* what the problem is, and they *knew* the problem when they decided to secretly slip in the CPU halving in the first place.   That they resorted to a drastic move that nobody else has ever done for a smartphone is a very strong indicator that a "real" solution is a new design.   So I agree with you on your logic that Apple must do something so that this Apple-only design problem doesn't happen with the 2018 iPhone models.     > The specs mention low operating temperature of 0+ALA-, so from a legal point > of view, they may be in the clear. (although for the first battery, > within a year, I saw it shutdown at +-12+ALA- once).   It's been proven already that Apple wasn't aware of the low-temperature issues so it's just yet another piece of the puzzle that clearly indicates Apple doesn't test their devices thoroughly enough.   What Samsung implemented for batteries is sort of what Apple needs to implement for their phones - which is a rigorous testing system that simulates what would happen in a year.   Remember, Apple said they were totally blindsided by the iPhone 6 problems, which simply means they didn't test it because they were common.       > I am pretty sure Apple has known for quite some time. They will just > have to break the news to Jony Ive who won't be able to make his baby > thinner in 2018.   That's a pretty accurate assessment that I agree with. If anything, they need thicker phones, where their "legal remedy" from lawsuits might be a trade-in program for a phone that works for more than a year but that has to have a thicker case.   I agree with you that Apple *knows* all the possible solutions which is why they came up with the genius idea that they implemented, got caught, and apologized for (although their so-called apology was a soothing farce).   > On the plus side, bigger batteries will give more autonomy as well as > proviode enough amps when cold.   Yup. My battery is 7,000 mAh. It lasts as long as I need it to last. And when it's dead, I just pop in another.   I agree with you that better batteries is what they need, and they know this, which is why they decided not to and to just do their secret trick.   They can't do the secret trick anymore, so, they'll have to fix the design problem moving forward. Let's hope they fix it for 2018 models and that they offer a new-design trade-in program for the previous iPhones.   I suspect that's what their out-of-court settlement will end up being: a. A penalty b. A trade-in for the customers to a design that actually works     > It's not that easy. If only they could shrink that huge taptic engine to > what it used to be like before (a small vibrator). Marketing might not > like that.   Well, it's not that easy if they want to keep the phones thin, but remember this is an Apple-only problem so they can do whatever it is that the Android manufacturers do and they won't have this problem.   So they can fix the design if they want to.   For the existing phones, it's pretty easy for them to just design a thicker back and thicker battery, and that might solve their legal issues if they offer a trade in. People might accept a bigger phone if it's the same phone, essentially, but with the battery that works with it for more than just one year.   I pity all those $1000 iPhone X owners who will have an iPhone 1/2 X in just one year. Apple can't afford to alienate those customers who pay the most. It might be why shipment forecasts are down 20 million from 50 million to 30 million. Dunno.   But if I was in the market for a $1000 iPhone X, and I knew it would be an iPhone 1/2 X in just a year, I wouldn't plunk down $1000 for a phone with that time-lapse halving "feature".   > Apple could grow the smaller phones a bit to allow bigger battery. I > have to wonder at what stage the iPhone 9 is at right now and wether it > is too late or not to make such a change.   I'm going to agree with you and posit that the simplest solution is a bigger battery. Of course, Apple already knew this, which is why they came up with their simplest solution (which was to secretly halve the cpu).   Since they can't secretly halve the CPU anymore (they'll lose customers if they continue that shady practice) - they have to do *something*, and that something might be a bigger battery.   What I think is *easy* for Apple, given they have more money than God, is just to make a trade-in for existing owners of a phone with a bigger battery, and that will go a long way toward solving their self-created legal troubles.   Once they get that backlog of legal troubles resolved, moving forward, all they havfe rto do is implement what the Android people do, since this problem is an Apple-only problem.   That's why the solution should be easy for them - since it's already solved on the Android side. It's a self-created Apple-only problem that Apple can easily solve if they want to solve it.   As you said ... we'll know in the future... so this is just conjecture. I do appreciate that you speak as an adult would, and not as an Apple Apologist would. That's refreshing for this newsgroup.

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 02 04:43PM > HTC, Motorola, LG and Samsung are > among the major brands quick to stress they see no reason to throttle > the performance of their smartphones."   False. Android phones absolutely do throttle the CPU secretly with no warning:   <https://stackoverflow.com/q/11883404/6540130>   -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.   JR

M.L. <me@privacy.invalid>: Jan 02 12:03PM -0600 >False. Android phones absolutely do throttle the CPU secretly with no >warning:   ><https://stackoverflow.com/q/11883404/6540130>   <from the same stackoverflow thread RE: Samsung Galaxy S3 (9300)> "It turns out to be a thermal problem. As the app is running the android battery temperature is rising. At 48 degrees android os has throttled down the cpu from 1.4 Ghz to 0.8 Ghz."   The difference is that the throttling isn't permanent. Unclear if the same behavior exists for all Androids.

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 02 06:19PM >>warning:   >><https://stackoverflow.com/q/11883404/6540130>   > The difference is that the throttling isn't permanenti   Nope; the Apple feature only activates when the OS detects the battery is unable to provide needed voltage, which fluctuates and is not permanent or even constant. You've been fed a lie.   -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.   JR

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 02 01:38PM -0500 In article <i1in4ddkhgq8f5d3ndr0a6kht3v21fmtqs@4ax.com>, M.L. > android battery temperature is rising. At 48 degrees android os has > throttled down the cpu from 1.4 Ghz to 0.8 Ghz."   > The difference is that the throttling isn't permanent.   it's not permanent on iphones either.   only *peak* loads are limited, where the battery can't source the necessary current. had that not been done, the phone would likely suddenly shut down.   the rest of the time, when the battery is not being pushed hard, there's no throttling because the battery is capable of providing the needed power.   > Unclear if the > same behavior exists for all Androids.   all mobile devices vary cpu speed and other subsystems based on load.   to not do so is stupid.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 03 08:38AM -0500 In article <p2i0de$anm$1@gioia.aioe.org>, harry newton   > but remember > this is an Apple-only problem   nope. it's a battery chemistry issue which affects android and any other device that uses a battery.   there is *no* avoiding it. *every* battery ages.   <https://us.community.samsung.com/t5/Galaxy-Note-Phones/Note-4-shuts-off- at-40-battery/td-p/54776> The  note  4 shut down with 40% left I thought mine  was the only one but I've heard others complaining about this  how fustrating is that what's up that samsung ? ... My phone shuts down at 50% I don't know what to do ?? ... New or old, internal battery makes no difference.   I've had shutdowns at levels as high as 80%. Most notably during camera usage, especially if flash is used.  I've resorted to always being connected to a fast charge external battery. Sigh.  ... A buddy of mine recently took note of something similar, especially when using his camera as well. He ended up disabling Instagram and the boomerang feature, and that did the trick for him on the random restarts or shutting down. Not sure how that was even related, just what he told me.   it's related because those apps were causing the battery to be pushed beyond its limits, exactly the same as with iphones, at which point, it shut down.     <https://forums.androidcentral.com/sprint-galaxy-s-ii-epic-4g-touch/2246 28-strange-battery-problem-need-help.html> In each case, I was using it in some kind of high battery drain function... either watching a movie or running GPS software. In two of the three cases, this was started right after unplugging the phone from the charger for the night, so I had a full charge, but suddenly, without warning the phone just shuts off dead. No power down animation, no nothing... just goes cold black dead. In each case, I know I've had about 60-75% battery left just before it died.   When I power up the phone, it beeps low battery, and say I have between 1-3% power left and eventually powers down from low battery. ... I had this issue as well. New battery fixed it, hadn't happened since. ... Had this exact problem. Never had any battery issues until the JB upgrade. Tried Factory Reset and that didnt help. ... my S2 just shuts off without any notification and doesn't start until i plug it to the charger and switch it on. This mostly happens after 2 minutes of playing games,listening songs or downloadin an app. What should I do? Please help me ... My phone is a HTC Desire S, which I upgraded to Android 4.0.4 a few months ago (official update). The shutdowns and extreme power drainage startet about a week ago. With a full battery my phone reliably shuts down less than 5 minutes into a game. Then upon reboot it reports ~6% battery life and often shuts down again. ... My Galaxy J7 suddenly shut down, and could not restart by pushing the power button. ... My mobile switches off even at 70-80% of charging.and it doesn't switch on even when I switch it on.     <https://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-note-4/610523-note-4-s udden-battery-drain.html> My Sprint Note 4 (running 5.1.1) has been working without issue for the past year, but a strange power/battery/something issue happened yesterday and today.   Both days, around the same time (between 5:00-6:00pm) my phone has decided that it no longer has a charge and shuts off. Yesterday, the phone went from roughly 35% > 10%, which alerted me of low charge > 0% and shutting off within around 30 seconds. ... That's funny. My AT&T Note 4 does the exact same thing. ... My note 4 does similar. I get maybe 1.5 hours of use out of it, then at 30% boom it shuts down. Plug it in and it shows zero percent.   30% after 1.5 hours of use (ignoring the shutdown problem)? hah. iphones can easily get 1.5 *days* of use.

"tom" <tmiller11147@verizon.net>: Jan 02 01:56PM -0500 "Murray atuptown" <murrayatuptowngallery@gmail.com> wrote in message news:46113352-8c9e-482c-a5b7-18319465a999@googlegroups.com... > Tom - not sure CLIP is. > ESR measurements- yes, if I remove parts & take them to someone else (have > access).   CLIP is Component Level Information Package. Has all the schematics.   You can buy a copy - pdf - from artekmedia.com   Good quality scans and will not break the bank.   Regards

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 02 10:50AM -0800 Was that the paradox of the barber who shaved everyone who didn't shave themselves.   a) Not a true paradox (more on this later). b) Yes, it is about shaving beards (root of Barber is Barba - Latin for Beard).   Let's look at Achilles and the Tortoise:   a) Tortoise gets a head start. TRUE b) Achilles must cover an infinite series of half-the-distance before catching the tortoise. TRUE c) And if Achilles does reach the position of the Tortoise, it has since moved. TRUE d) Therefore Achilles will never catch the Tortoise. ????   If the barber (who might well be female) has no beard, she has no need to shave (her beard). The act of shaving is not necessarily confined to beards. Barbering is necessarily confined to beards. As a BARBER, she may shave others' beards and not be in conflict with the paradox as she is still _shaving_ herself, just not a beard. Logic chopping at its finest, but not a paradox. Conventional: A defined subset containing 0 items cannot be a paradox.   As to Xeno, we have the Crimmins Mack Truck Theory:   Give Mr. Xeno a 100' start on a Mack Truck. Observe the results.   Reality:   Achilles has no intention of catching the Tortoise, but to go somewhere far ahead of it. He may never reach the far-ahead, but he will pass the Tortoise on his way there.   Similar level of logic-chopping, but none of the premises are falsified in the process. They remain true, but not relevant.   In any case, getting back to the OP, we should all defer to Marvin and wait for his discerning input.   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Jan 02 08:10AM -0800 On 2018/01/01 4:07 PM, Mike Coon wrote:   > Was that the paradox of the barber who shaved everyone who didn't shave > themselves? ;-)   > Mike.   She didn't need to shave.   John ;-#)#   -- (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup) John's Jukes Ltd. MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

Mike Coon <gravity@mjcoon.plus.com>: Jan 02 06:10PM In article <QtSdnR7aTP2OMtbHnZ2dnUU7-VmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, spam@flippers.com says...   > > Mike.   > She didn't need to shave.   > John ;-#)#   Not sure anything was actually said about shaving beards...   Mike.

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