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| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 03 11:57PM > County. He provides nothing constructive, just his never ending > anti-Apple posts. I for one have decided to not respond to him, > particularly given the toxicity, and of his posts to the Apple NGs. I should too, and I often refrain, but sometimes he steps in such a huge pile of his own shit, it's hard not to laugh. > to be benign, and where he had used yet another nymshift. I did not > believe that particular post was a troll, but one which sought an > answer to a legitimate question. He's *never* posted in the Apple newsgroups without a clear agenda against the people in those newsgroups. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>: Jan 03 04:12PM -0800 On Jan 3, 2018, Jolly Roger wrote > > answer to a legitimate question. > He's *never* posted in the Apple newsgroups without a clear agenda > against the people in those newsgroups. Agreed. -- Regards, Savageduck |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 03 08:38AM -0500 In article <p2i0de$anm$1@gioia.aioe.org>, harry newton > but remember > this is an Apple-only problem nope. it's a battery chemistry issue which affects android and any other device that uses a battery. there is *no* avoiding it. *every* battery ages. <https://us.community.samsung.com/t5/Galaxy-Note-Phones/Note-4-shuts-off- at-40-battery/td-p/54776> The note 4 shut down with 40% left I thought mine was the only one but I've heard others complaining about this how fustrating is that what's up that samsung ? ... My phone shuts down at 50% I don't know what to do ?? ... New or old, internal battery makes no difference. I've had shutdowns at levels as high as 80%. Most notably during camera usage, especially if flash is used. I've resorted to always being connected to a fast charge external battery. Sigh. ... A buddy of mine recently took note of something similar, especially when using his camera as well. He ended up disabling Instagram and the boomerang feature, and that did the trick for him on the random restarts or shutting down. Not sure how that was even related, just what he told me. it's related because those apps were causing the battery to be pushed beyond its limits, exactly the same as with iphones, at which point, it shut down. <https://forums.androidcentral.com/sprint-galaxy-s-ii-epic-4g-touch/2246 28-strange-battery-problem-need-help.html> In each case, I was using it in some kind of high battery drain function... either watching a movie or running GPS software. In two of the three cases, this was started right after unplugging the phone from the charger for the night, so I had a full charge, but suddenly, without warning the phone just shuts off dead. No power down animation, no nothing... just goes cold black dead. In each case, I know I've had about 60-75% battery left just before it died. When I power up the phone, it beeps low battery, and say I have between 1-3% power left and eventually powers down from low battery. ... I had this issue as well. New battery fixed it, hadn't happened since. ... Had this exact problem. Never had any battery issues until the JB upgrade. Tried Factory Reset and that didnt help. ... my S2 just shuts off without any notification and doesn't start until i plug it to the charger and switch it on. This mostly happens after 2 minutes of playing games,listening songs or downloadin an app. What should I do? Please help me ... My phone is a HTC Desire S, which I upgraded to Android 4.0.4 a few months ago (official update). The shutdowns and extreme power drainage startet about a week ago. With a full battery my phone reliably shuts down less than 5 minutes into a game. Then upon reboot it reports ~6% battery life and often shuts down again. ... My Galaxy J7 suddenly shut down, and could not restart by pushing the power button. ... My mobile switches off even at 70-80% of charging.and it doesn't switch on even when I switch it on. <https://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-note-4/610523-note-4-s udden-battery-drain.html> My Sprint Note 4 (running 5.1.1) has been working without issue for the past year, but a strange power/battery/something issue happened yesterday and today. Both days, around the same time (between 5:00-6:00pm) my phone has decided that it no longer has a charge and shuts off. Yesterday, the phone went from roughly 35% > 10%, which alerted me of low charge > 0% and shutting off within around 30 seconds. ... That's funny. My AT&T Note 4 does the exact same thing. ... My note 4 does similar. I get maybe 1.5 hours of use out of it, then at 30% boom it shuts down. Plug it in and it shows zero percent. 30% after 1.5 hours of use (ignoring the shutdown problem)? hah. iphones can easily get 1.5 *days* of use. |
| JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>: Jan 03 12:54PM -0500 On 2018-01-03 02:23, harry newton wrote: > It's been proven already that Apple wasn't aware of the low-temperature > issues so it's just yet another piece of the puzzle that clearly indicates > Apple doesn't test their devices thoroughly enough. I know Apple became aware of battery problem for 6s by March/April 2016, so barely 6 months after product launch. Staff were instructed to tell customers that it was normal for thw 6a to shutdown in cold. By October, Apple Support was instructed to get customers to run the remote diagnostics suite (with results sent back to Apple). And by end of November, the battery recall was launched. (2016). That recall was premised on a bad batch of batteries, so the customers were given expectation that new battery would permanently fix problem. It didn't. Note that the "bad batch" did age much faster and exhibited the problem within 5-6 months of product launch. > What Samsung implemented for batteries is sort of what Apple needs to > implement for their phones - which is a rigorous testing system that > simulates what would happen in a year. I am pretty sure that engineering within Apple would have been aware that the battery was undersized for the type of power loads of the 6s once you factopr in reduced battery amperage capacity as it ages. And it is likely that marketing overruled this for the sake of keeping the 6s as thin as the 6, making it sturdier (back pocket bending gate) and adding a bigger taptic engine. > Remember, Apple said they were totally blindsided by the iPhone 6 problems, > which simply means they didn't test it because they were common. They were not blindsighted. The bad batch simply made a problem they would have been aware of surface well before they had predicted. With the then expected replacement cycle of 2 years, they likely figured that the average onwer might expect a couple of cold shutdowns during the winter of year 1, and as phone would be replaced in fall of year 2, wouldn't get the bad shutdowns on year 2. Suspect they underestimated how soon the problem would surface. BTW, one possible solution is similar to electric cars: Put a heater in/under the battery. |
| JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>: Jan 03 12:56PM -0500 On 2018-01-03 08:38, nospam wrote: > nope. it's a battery chemistry issue which affects android and any > other device that uses a battery. Funny how the 6s PLUS doesn't have that. Same battery chemistry. Same CPU and components. Oh, but while same chemistry, it has BIGGER Battery which means that it is able to supply my amps than the small battery when cold/old. All phone may have smame/similar battery chemistry, but how the battery is sized relative to power consumption needs of the phone makes a huge difference. The bigger Android phone have mega battteries like 5000-7000mAh compared to the ~1750 on the 6s. |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 03 01:52PM -0500 In article <fP83C.134079$4Z6.17401@fx41.iad>, JF Mezei > > nope. it's a battery chemistry issue which affects android and any > > other device that uses a battery. > Funny how the 6s PLUS doesn't have that. it absolutely does |
| harry newton <harry@at.invalid>: Jan 03 08:31PM He who is JF Mezei said on Wed, 3 Jan 2018 12:56:27 -0500: > difference. > The bigger Android phone have mega battteries like 5000-7000mAh compared > to the ~1750 on the 6s. Everything you say is apropos, where nospam, as a classic Apple Apologist, tries to intimate because all phones have batteries, that this Apple-created Apple-only problem is inside of all phones. That's like saying because all houses have paint, that lead paint is in all houses if it's in just one house. I don't know why facts are invisible to the Apple Apologists, but nospam knows very well this is a specific problem for specific phones, just like the Samsung exploding battery problem was a specific problem for a specific phone. As you aptly noted, Apple *knows* exactly what the problem is, and since the solution is to fix the design, they decided to secretly take the simpler way out ... And for that, I predict they'll need to settle those lawsuits out of court and then, when they have that behind them, they can come clean and just make the customer harm good. Hence I predict the following along that strategy: 1. Apple won't admit fault until they settle the lawsuits in court 2. Once they settle, the settlement will dictate the redress I postulate that a perfectly acceptable redress for the owners harmed is for Apple to provide a trade-in program of old phone to slightly larger equivalent phone that doesn't have the same Apple battery problems. Apple has enough money and customer loyalty to pull this off with aplomb. Let's see if they take the true "courageous" decision. I suspect they will because they will have to. |
| harry newton <harry@at.invalid>: Jan 03 08:39PM He who is Jolly Roger said on 3 Jan 2018 06:25:53 GMT: > Get some new material, old foolish troll. Think about this question before you childishly retort. Q: How much added *value* have you added to this adult conversation? |
| harry newton <harry@at.invalid>: Jan 03 08:39PM He who is JF Mezei said on Wed, 3 Jan 2018 12:54:04 -0500: > I know Apple became aware of battery problem for 6s by March/April 2016, > so barely 6 months after product launch. Staff were instructed to tell > customers that it was normal for thw 6a to shutdown in cold. Except that it's not normal for a phone to shutdown in the cold. :) I applaud you for being able to see facts. You're not an Apple Apologist because your observations and opinions are sane. Certainly no Apple Apologist could say what you just said. IMHO, Apple spent more energy on how to hide the battery issues after they were found, than on testing for them prior to launch. > By October, Apple Support was instructed to get customers to run the > remote diagnostics suite (with results sent back to Apple). And by end > of November, the battery recall was launched. (2016). The Apple battery recall was the right thing to do, just as any other manufacturer would recall a defective device. > That recall was premised on a bad batch of batteries, so the customers > were given expectation that new battery would permanently fix problem. > It didn't. Again, you have the ability to see facts which appear to be invisible to the Apple Apologists. Apple was "incredibly specific" about the first recall issue but incredibly vague about the 10.2.1 "fix". There's a reason for that since nothing happens at Apple by accident. Apple made a conscious decision to hide the facts, which will be proven in court if the cases aren't settled out of court sooner. > Note that the "bad batch" did age much faster and exhibited the problem > within 5-6 months of product launch. This is an interesting fact, where even Apple said there were multiple problems that the customers found for them since Apple doesn't test their devices long enough in the real world to find them on their own. > I am pretty sure that engineering within Apple would have been aware > that the battery was undersized for the type of power loads of the 6s > once you factopr in reduced battery amperage capacity as it ages. This is a good point, in that there isn't any engineering mystery here like there was, initially, in the Samsung exploding battery recall ... so, it's odd then that if Apple engineers knew what they were doing, then why did Apple feel the need to *secretly* halve the performance of the CPU. Do you think the engineers planned this all along? > is likely that marketing overruled this for the sake of keeping the 6s > as thin as the 6, making it sturdier (back pocket bending gate) and > adding a bigger taptic engine. Ummm....mmm... this makes sense. Nothing happens at Apple without MARKETING knowing about it - as it's one of the most successfully marketed companies on the planet. It could very well be that, just like in the Volkswagen situation, MARKETING decided the final specs, and engineering couldn't do it - so they had to shoehorn in the secret halving of the CPU just to meet the spec. I know that the handful of (155.7 x 80 x 7.4 mm) $130 LG Stylo 3 Plus phones I bought for Christmas as gifts has a 3200 mAh battery, as does the (159.7 x 78.1 x 7.6 mm) LG V20, while the (158.2 x 77.9 x 7.3 mm) iPhone 7 Plus has only a 2900 mAh battery (about 10% less capacity). Maybe that tenth of a millimeter in thickness is what cost Apple customers that 10% loss, out of the box, of their battery capacity? <https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/LG-Stylo-3,Apple-iPhone-7-Plus,LG%20V20/phones/10337,9816,10202> >> which simply means they didn't test it because they were common. > They were not blindsighted. The bad batch simply made a problem they > would have been aware of surface well before they had predicted. I agree that it's a technical problem to test for "battery aging", and I note that Apple went to extreme lengths to try to imply that all batteries aged as fast as the iPhone batteries aged.... but it's a fact that this problem that they felt the need to secretly throttle cpu speeds to less than half within a year of use happens only on Apple devices, and only on some of them. So, no matter when Apple figured it out, the fact remains that they decided to "solve" their problem by secretly halving CPU speeds, which is what they're being sued for (rightfully so). What I expect them to do is: 1. Not come clean until they can settle the lawsuits out of court 2. Then the lawsuits will dictate a proper remedy to the customer Hint: Charging the customer to replace a defective battery is a lousy remedy by all accounts. > that the average onwer might expect a couple of cold shutdowns during > the winter of year 1, and as phone would be replaced in fall of year 2, > wouldn't get the bad shutdowns on year 2. I have to disagree with your replacement lifecycle of 2 years, as I get far more than that out of my phones. So do plenty of other people. It's only Apple customers who have been trained to think a battery lasts only two years. Did you see the Samsung statement I published for example? It's a completely different expectation of battery life cycles. In practice, the Android phones that have non-removable batteries (Nexus 5 was given away and is still working fine and the Google Moto G is also working just fine) I gave as gifts years ago are still going strong. My observation is that it seems only Apple customers feel that a battery needs to be replaced after only two years of use. It's like saying a car needs to be replaced after only two years of use. The perception works to the manufacturer's advantage only. > Suspect they underestimated how soon the problem would surface. Like Volkswagon, they hit upon the "elegant" solution, but it was so elegant, and cheap, that they had to do it secretly. :) > BTW, one possible solution is similar to electric cars: > Put a heater in/under the battery. I think Apple knows all the solutions where they took the "elegant" (secret) way out. Now that the cat is out of the bag, I hope they just design the phones for the batteries and vice versa. It's ridiculous that only Apple phones are 2-year replacement items. It's like having cars being replaced every two years. It's wasteful. |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 03 10:05PM > He who is Jolly Roger said on 3 Jan 2018 06:25:53 GMT: >> Get some new material, old foolish troll. > Think about Troll, troll, troll your boat... -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 03 10:05PM > Blah blah blah blah blah Apple Apologist, blah blah blah blah Get some new material, old fool. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 03 06:07PM -0500 Jolly Roger wrote on 1/3/2018 5:05 PM: >>> Get some new material, old foolish troll. >> Think about > Troll, troll, troll your boat... I think we can see who the troll is. Anyone who o feels the need to post four times complaining about someone being a troll *is* a troll. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 03 11:15PM >> Troll, troll, troll your boat... > I think we can see who the troll is. Anyone who o feels the need to post > four times complaining about someone being a troll *is* a troll. "Gosh, I KNOW, right? And anyone who calls out a racist for being a racist *is* racist, y'all!" Bullshit reasoning. The asshole currently known as "Harry Newton" has been trolling the Apple news groups and belittling complete strangers in them literally for hours a day for years now. He constantly changes his name to avoid kill filters and pollutes the otherwise peaceful Apple news groups with lame trolls filled with lies and misguided opinions. Here's an incomplete list (and counting) of his names: Paul B. Andersen, Adair Bordon, Liam O'Connor, Juan Camilo Blanco, Alphonse Arnaud, Danny D., Vinny Perado, Whitney Ryan, Tony Cito, Adam H. Kerman, Werner Obermeier, Steven Bornfeld, Winston_Smith, Mitch Kaufmann, Paul M. Cook, E. Robinson, Alice J., P. Ng, Tam Nguyen, VPN user, Joe Clock, Marob Katon, Chris Rangoon, AArdvarks, Conradt, Gustl Hoffmann, Henry Jones, Tatsuki Takahashi, AL, Horace Algier, Karl Schultz, Arthur Conan Doyle, Algeria Horan, Horace Algier, Raymond Spruance III, Martin Chuzzlewit II, John Harmon, Yanis Bernard, Stijn De Jong, Abe Swanson, Misha Vasiliev, Tomos Davies, Chaya Eve, Lionel Muller, Roy Tremblay, Frank S, Chaya Eve, Blake Snyder, harry newton, Harold Newton Multiple regulars in these news groups call him out on his lame-ass trolls. But little, old *you* have decided to step in and support the troll. Good work, there, junior! -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 03 06:19PM -0500 Jolly Roger wrote on 1/3/2018 6:15 PM: > Multiple regulars in these news groups call him out on his lame-ass > trolls. But little, old *you* have decided to step in and support the > troll. Good work, there, junior! No, I'm just calling it like I see it. You jumped into a reasonable conversation making five (not four, my mistake) posts complaining about troll behavior without indicating what was "trollish". Now you want to argue about your trollish behavior and call me names. You are currently the problem, not a cure. Why don't you stop being a troll and we can let the conversation continue? -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>: Jan 03 03:26PM -0800 On Jan 3, 2018, Jolly Roger wrote > Multiple regulars in these news groups call him out on his lame-ass > trolls. But little, old *you* have decided to step in and support the > troll. Good work, there, junior! Also, the cross posts to unrelated groups, and groups where he anticipates some sort of support, and/or validation, are a pretty good clue as to the trollish nature of posts from the Santa Clara nymshifter. -- Regards, Savageduck |
| Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Jan 03 05:41PM -0600 On 1/3/18 5:19 PM, rickman wrote: > No, I'm just calling it like I see it. You jumped into a > reasonable conversation There has been nothing reasonable about this conversation. It's been 100% Harry against the world. And anyone that even slightly disagrees with him is called a variety of names. -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
| Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>: Jan 03 03:43PM -0800 On Jan 3, 2018, rickman wrote > argue about your trollish behavior and call me names. You are currently the > problem, not a cure. Why don't you stop being a troll and we can let the > conversation continue? The source of the troll is the OP not JR, and guess who the OP is in this thread. None other than the nymshifting troll from Santa Clara County. He provides nothing constructive, just his never ending anti-Apple posts. I for one have decided to not respond to him, particularly given the toxicity, and of his posts to the Apple NGs. Recently I have responded to one of his posts to r.p.d. which appeared to be benign, and where he had used yet another nymshift. I did not believe that particular post was a troll, but one which sought an answer to a legitimate question. -- Regards, Savageduck |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 03 11:50PM >> troll. Good work, there, junior! > No, I'm just calling it like I see it. You jumped into a reasonable > conversation On the contrary, your vaunted so-called "reasonable discussion" is part of a campaign of pure troll posts about iOS throttling functionality that was initially cross-posted to irrelevant newsgroups (sci.electronics.repair, and android) by a well-known nym-shifting Apple-hating troll with a LONG track record in the Apple newsgroups of attacking complete strangers merely because they call him out on his lies. Either you are unaware of this, or you are actively ignoring it. Either way, you're wrong. > making five (not four, my mistake) posts Post counts for this thread (at the moment): Harry: 16 (Under two different nyms, at that.) Others: 15 Me: 4 (Oh my! This is a problem!) > complaining about troll behavior without indicating what was > "trollish" Others have done a sufficient job of both debunking his lies and calling out his trolls in this thread, but I guess they don't count for you. Or do you not read anyone's posts but mine and "Harry's"? > Now you want to argue about your trollish behavior and call me names. If "junior" offends you, I'm sorry but you're a snowflake. Grow a thicker skin. It was meant to convey you are new to the Apple news groups; and I have little doubt you are since I don't recall seeing your posts here in many years. If you think "junior" is bad, you should see what the troll currently known as "Harry" has to say about the regulars in the Apple news groups that call him out on his lies. It'll no doubt blow your fragile mind. ; ) > You are currently the problem Projection. Stop supporting established trolls. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 03 11:53PM > anticipates some sort of support, and/or validation, are a pretty good > clue as to the trollish nature of posts from the Santa Clara > nymshifter. "...but no let's ignore all of that and instead concentrate on why the regulars in the Apple newsgroups are *complaining* about his trolling. Clearly *that* is the problem here!" Fucking idiot. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 03 06:49PM -0500 In article <p2joea$37m$3@dont-email.me>, rickman > > troll. Good work, there, junior! > No, I'm just calling it like I see it. You jumped into a reasonable > conversation there is no reasonable conversation with 'harry' or whatever other nym he's using. |
| etpm@whidbey.com: Jan 03 11:47AM -0800 >(Probably why they are becoming obsolete). >If however it's just that one CD that is causing problems, REPLACE the >CD. 1. You can't play a CD on a record player, no matter how good the cartdrige and needle are. 2. That should be AN MP3 player, not A MP3 player. Since this group is aimed at repairing electronics I fail to see how buying a new CD player will repair the one I have now. The CD is not the problem, but is a possible diagnostic clue. Eric |
| etpm@whidbey.com: Jan 03 11:50AM -0800 On Wed, 03 Jan 2018 15:34:27 +0000, Baron <baron@linuxmaniac.net> wrote: >> Eric >Look for debris between the lens carriage and the magnet on the side >that is sticking, or the suspension is twisted and its rubbing. I'll check for debris with a magnifier, thanks. Am I correct in assuming that the lens assembly is only supported by the 4 wires? That there are no other suspension components that could be getting stuck? Eric |
| Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu>: Jan 03 03:29PM -0600 > this is happening? It looks to me like the lens carrier is just > suspended by 4 spring wires. But maybe there is something else that > might be dragging. Anybody know how the things are really made? The lens/laser/sensor assembly is mounted on a veritcal slide and a focusing servo runs it up and down until it gets the signal from the disc. It sounds like the slide mechanism is sticking, if of that design. If totally suspended by springs, and no vertical slide mechanism, there may be dirt, or maybe the air blast bent the springs a bit. Anyway, it definitely sounds like the focus mechanism is sticking, so see if you can find out why that is happening. Jon |
| Clive Arthur <cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk>: Jan 03 04:11PM > do they paint the stripes on resistors" on google, but all I got was > links explaining how to READ color codes. > Has anyone ever heard anything about this process? Resistors are made from a clay-like material containing carbon or other conductor in various amounts. Colourants are added, and the material is rolled and layered into large 'pats', so for example a 4k7 resistor pat might have cream, yellow, cream, violet, cream, red, cream, gold, cream coloured layers. This is rolled to the correct thickness corresponding to the final resistor length, then hollow punches form the resistor bodies, usually several thousand from one pat. The better quality ones are rolled for smoothness and low noise. The wire ends are fitted, the resistors are baked and often varnished. For high accuracy resistors, the depth of one wire end is adjusted on test before the baking stage. Cheers -- Clive |
| MOP CAP <email@domain.com>: Jan 03 11:54AM -0800 I explained once how stripes on DO-7 [about mid-way between a 1/4w and 1/2w resistors] diode bodies were painted. You have paint troughs with the colors in use, each has a roller the width of of the trough, against this you have a roller that tapers to the width of the band. These in turn roll against a larger rubber wheel and deposits the paint. This in turn rolls against the R or D. On diodes the bands also indicated the polarity, so there was an ingenious way to orientate them. To measure the breakdown voltage of a diode you apply a small [5 micoamp current]. The diodes were fed into a slot, the current was applied, if you measued a low voltage it dropped straight down. If you measured a high voltage it went out the side into a tube that brought it 180 deg. into the proper orientation. CP |
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