| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 04 02:46PM -0500 Savageduck wrote on 1/3/2018 6:43 PM: > benign, and where he had used yet another nymshift. I did not believe that > particular post was a troll, but one which sought an answer to a legitimate > question. I don't know about toxicity, but the best way to handle trolls is to ignore them. I will be ignoring Roger. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 04 11:56AM -0800 Rick: Yet another application of the Clue Stick is required. Ignoring known trolls works for those who know of and understand the troll. But that emphatically does not work when the troll attempts to root in fresh ground. And, there is always fresh ground. Glad that you will be ignoring things - that will let those who are willing to warn the unwary get on with it, without the likes of you attempting to validate the troll. Are you on the spectrum? Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 04 02:57PM -0500 Savageduck wrote on 1/3/2018 6:26 PM: > Also, the cross posts to unrelated groups, and groups where he anticipates > some sort of support, and/or validation, are a pretty good clue as to the > trollish nature of posts from the Santa Clara nymshifter. This isn't my first rodeo. I've seen a number of ham groups destroyed by this sort of behavior. One person is accused of being a troll, but they aren't really a problem. They make their posts and people either read them or ignore them. The problem arises when vigilantes try to "deal" with the problem by turning the topic from the original to being about the accused troll. Instead of solving anything, they make the problem 10 times worse. That is what's going on here. I was reading the thread and considering the issues in the discussion until someone threw a turd in the punch bowl. The presence of the "enforcers" is more disruptive than the original thread. It should be very easy to killfile the offender and/or the entire thread. Oh, but then someone on the Internet would be wrong without knowing it! https://xkcd.com/386/ I've killfiled JR, we'll see if the problem improves. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| BK@Onramp.net: Jan 04 02:27PM -0600 On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 14:46:48 -0500, rickman >> question. >I don't know about toxicity, but the best way to handle trolls is to ignore >them. I will be ignoring Roger. First, there has never been a reasonable conversation with the person to whom Roger was responding He really is an inveterate troll with nothing to add to this newsgroup. I have kill filed every nym that he uses that's identifiable and will continue. We each have a decision to make regarding trolls. In this case JR has decided to point out the troll. That is effective in warning other posters. You will be missing some interesting and edifying posts if you ignore Roger. |
| Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Jan 04 02:39PM -0600 On 1/4/18 1:57 PM, rickman wrote: > I've killfiled JR, we'll see if the problem improves. It won't until you killfile harry newton. -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 04 12:47PM -0800 On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 3:39:21 PM UTC-5, Fox's Mercantile wrote: > Jeff-1.0 > WA6FWi > http:foxsmercantile.com Until it changes its name. |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 04 09:37PM > This isn't my first rodeo. I've seen a number of ham groups destroyed > by this sort of behavior. One person is accused of being a troll, but > they aren't really a problem. Harry has consistently and methodically disrupted the Apple news groups with campaigns consisting of sometimes tens of separate threads at a time, often with multiple nyms at a time, and more often than not cross-posted to completely irrelevant groups, and you pop your head in to claim they aren't a fucking problem. What fucking planet are you on that trolls of the worst kind aren't really a fucking problem? > They make their posts and people either read them or ignore them. You're definitely not from around here, boy. This particular troll has polluted these otherwise peaceful Apple newsgroups on a regular basis with hundreds of posts under numerous and never-ending names to avoid kill filters filled with misinformation and antagonizing and attacking anyone who dare disagree or call him out on his bare-faced lies. And they aren't just harmful little interactions that people can just ignore, especially considering he *regularly* nym switches to avoid filtering. > The problem arises when vigilantes try to "deal" with the problem by > turning the topic from the original to being about the accused troll. No, the problem already existed. Whenever (which is constantly) it becomes plainly obvious that "Harry" actively *ignores* and *disputes* anything anyone says about the topic at hand that disagrees with his lies, and attacks them instead, people *naturally* start examining his character. His stubborn refusal to accept anything but his anti-Apple position on a topic *forces* others to look at his personality faults as an explanation for what might cause a person his age to literally spend hours upon hours *daily* writing long, rambling, laborious posts where he antagonizes and belittles complete strangers simply because he dislikes Apple and people who use Apple devices. > Instead of solving anything, they make the problem 10 times worse. Projection. Victim blaming makes the problem ten times worse. > That is what's going on here. You're ignorant of the actual situation, and deluded. > I've killfiled JR, we'll see if the problem improves. LOL! Enjoy "Harry's" trolls, idiot. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 04 05:03PM -0500 > We each have a decision to make regarding trolls. In this case JR has > decided to point out the troll. That is effective in warning other > posters. JR has gone *far* beyond pointing out a troll. He has gone so far beyond that he has become the troll. To point out that you think someone is a troll only takes a single post of a few lines. His less annoying posts were the uneducating, "So few facts, so much time. Life's hard for an old troll!" and "Get some new material, old foolish troll." When I point out his excessive complaining he only comes back with much more annoying posts. These are not intended to be educational to anyone. These are the rantings of someone who feels he is on a mission, a very misguided mission. Just as bad are the many posts attempting to justify his behavior. > You will be missing some interesting and edifying posts if you ignore > Roger. It is not unusual for trolls to make worthwhile posts. But you have to consider the noise level they bring as well. In this thread all but one post was noise. That's an unacceptable level. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 04 05:05PM -0500 In article <p2m8as$5hc$1@dont-email.me>, rickman > It is not unusual for trolls to make worthwhile posts. actually, it's extremely unusual. trolls post for a reaction, not for content. |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 04 05:08PM -0500 Fox's Mercantile wrote on 1/4/2018 3:39 PM: > On 1/4/18 1:57 PM, rickman wrote: >> I've killfiled JR, we'll see if the problem improves. > It won't until you killfile harry newton. Unlike you, I was learning something about the topic issue until I was sidetracked by the multiple troll accusation posts. In this thread Harry's posts are on topic at least. How about we just don't respond to the posts we don't like? I don't see any value in discussing this further, so I won't be replying to posts about the trolling going on and in particular to posts containing personal insults. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 04 05:09PM -0500 nospam wrote on 1/4/2018 5:05 PM: >> It is not unusual for trolls to make worthwhile posts. > actually, it's extremely unusual. > trolls post for a reaction, not for content. And yet Harry's posts have been informative for me. I guess that shows he isn't trolling. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 04 10:12PM >> has decided to point out the troll. That is effective in warning >> other posters. > JR has gone *far* beyond pointing out a troll. Yes, yes, folks. I am the devil incarnate! I have dared to give the troll a taste of his own fucking medicine! Surely this is a worse offense than the attacks from the troll himself! I HAVE BECOME PURE EVIL! MUAHAHAHAAA!! >: D Let me assure you, coming from someone who is new to the Apple newsgroups, your completely misguided opinion means OH SO MUCH!! Thank you for enlightening the group with your supreme instant wisdom, Rick, man! -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 04 05:17PM -0500 nospam wrote on 1/3/2018 8:38 AM: > nope. it's a battery chemistry issue which affects android and any > other device that uses a battery. > there is *no* avoiding it. *every* battery ages. Yes, but it doesn't have to impact the operation of the product in the first year. A well designed product would be sized to continue to operate as the battery ages. I've had laptop batteries that worked nearly as well as new for two or three years. Do you not understand the issue? Apple would seem to have either not given this attention in the design stage (indicating incompetence) or they made a conscious decision to allow battery deterioration to impact the operation of the phone in the first year of operation (with potential warranty issues). -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 04 10:18PM >> It won't until you killfile harry newton. > Unlike you, I was learning something about the topic issue until I was > In this thread The extent of Harry's trolling of the Apple news groups extends far beyond this thread, junior. You're clueless. > How about we just don't respond to the posts we don't like? Ah, is that what you did with my posts? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 04 10:23PM >> actually, it's extremely unusual. >> trolls post for a reaction, not for content. > And yet Harry's posts have been informative for me. No, they were filled with lies, like: "Apple basically admitted today they permanently chopped CPU speeds in half" The CPU speed isn't only cut in half, but on a curve, and it's not permanent but only when the device is doing something that specifically requires more current than the battery can supply, and only on devices with batteries that are on the way out. And: "they were trying to secretly mask defective batteries" No evidence of that, and the feature in question was specifically mentioned in the iOS release notes - hardly a secret. > I guess that shows he isn't trolling. No, it doesn't. You, on the other hand, are in very shady territory and company. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 04 02:32PM -0800 On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 5:17:15 PM UTC-5, rickman wrote: > deterioration to impact the operation of the phone in the first year of > operation (with potential warranty issues). > Rick C Dayum, but you know next-to-nothing about battery chemistry and/or the aging process. Knowing now that you are likely unencumbered by the thought process (insult) and likely on the Spectrum (not an insult, but a reach for an explanation for your apparent-deliberate ignorance), batteries age. They age in two ways: a) Not able to deliver the necessary amperage at a given voltage for as long as before. b) Not able to deliver sufficient voltage as before. Subset: voltage is OK, but the amperage is not. This is true of every kind of chemical battery from a liquid lead-acid battery used for backing up POTS systems to a Tesla battery. I keep radio-control submarines. On them, I have a device that reads the state of the battery, and if it goes critical, immediately surfaces the boat, and will not permit diving. I can determine the age of the battery by when that happens on a run. Again, this is a chemical issue true of every kind of chemical battery over time. Cell phones make heavy demands on batteries depending on what they are asked to do. Some simply cannot meet that demand with an old battery, and so 'limit' the phone much as the "Sub-Safe" device does. That Apple explained this badly is the issue. Not what happened. Getting back to Jimmy Neutron - he offered a Conspiracy-Based explanation for an obvious phenomenon in order to light off his personal tempest in his virtual teapot. It was neither thoughtful, nor offered as a basis for actual discussion. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 04 05:39PM -0500 In article <fb7nrmFn2gnU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger > permanent but only when the device is doing something that specifically > requires more current than the battery can supply, and only on devices > with batteries that are on the way out. yep. put simply, the peaks are clipped. for everyday tasks that don't push it hard, such as reading email or web surfing, there is no slowdown. > "they were trying to secretly mask defective batteries" > No evidence of that, and the feature in question was specifically > mentioned in the iOS release notes - hardly a secret. they were actually trying to *extend* the life of batteries. |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 04 05:39PM -0500 In article <p2m8ml$5hc$3@dont-email.me>, rickman > > actually, it's extremely unusual. > > trolls post for a reaction, not for content. > And yet Harry's posts have been informative for me. how so? nothing he's written has any basis in fact (despite his claims otherwise). he is regularly proven wrong. he claims things can't be done on ios or macs even though it's been explained to him *exactly* how to do it. he snips to alter context to avoid admitting he's full of shit. > I guess that shows he > isn't trolling. nope. what it shows is that you'll believe anything without verifying it. |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 04 05:39PM -0500 In article <p2m958$bs8$1@dont-email.me>, rickman > > there is *no* avoiding it. *every* battery ages. > Yes, but it doesn't have to impact the operation of the product in the first > year. it doesn't. it's not based on how old it is. it depends on the battery health and the specific power demands at the time. > A well designed product would be sized to continue to operate as the > battery ages. exactly what it does. > I've had laptop batteries that worked nearly as well as new > for two or three years. 'nearly as well' means there's a noticeable effect. laptop batteries also have a *much* higher capacity than what's in a phone and capable of much higher peaks. they are also powering a different processor with different power demands in a product with a different thermal profile along with numerous other differences. in other words, not a good comparison. > Do you not understand the issue? far more than you do. > incompetence) or they made a conscious decision to allow battery > deterioration to impact the operation of the phone in the first year of > operation (with potential warranty issues). both false. |
| Murray atuptown <murrayatuptowngallery@gmail.com>: Jan 04 09:01AM -0800 A lot of cookies that come from Elmhurst Illinois where Keebler used to be now say something to the effect of being partially made with genetic engineering. Famous Amos was apparently drawn into this conglomerate at an earlier date. I no longer see mention of either the Keebler Elves or Amos when I see baked goods from Elmhurst nowadays. I'm sure they are all safe, but I still have this nagging image in my mind of an elderly Amos and elves who never age, caged in a laboratory, surrounded by people in white coars & safety glasses. Then I wake up and realize it was all a bad dream. I think I know a guy who used to work for a resistor company. I'll ask him (his name is mit Mr. Resistor) about the painting and hope he doesn't tell me this quest is futile. |
| Murray atuptown <murrayatuptowngallery@gmail.com>: Jan 04 09:21AM -0800 I just caught one of own touchscreen typos - I meant to say his name was NOT Mr. Resistor, but I typed mit. Now I have to call him Mr. Resistor to protect my source. He confirmed they did indeed use a striping machine that applied paint with some kind of brush as the component body was rotated. He said they also painted stripes helically on wire that was rotated to achieve the spiral path on the insulation and it then followed a path about 12 feet long vertically to give it time to dry. I wonder if there is a carbon composition resistor mil-spec still out there on the internet that says anything more than requirements for color accuracy and durability. |
| Murray atuptown <murrayatuptowngallery@gmail.com>: Jan 04 09:44AM -0800 Obsolete info, but you can download MIL-R11G from everyspec.com and look at paragraph 3.22. That will reference MIL-STD-1285, marking of electrical and electronic parts, also old info, but you have to start somewhere. Rev. B is the largest document so don't look at the tiny later updates as they are missing the bulk of the details. This will tell you very little other than that they aren't supposed to be smeared and maybe standards for colors. You may find other references to pursue, but there are many other interesting things in there. Or you become overwhelmingly bored and start to appreciate why the elves get grumpy, sleepy, dopey, etc. If you pay for premium resistors you get numbers instead of colors. |
| Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu>: Jan 04 04:17PM -0600 >> the depth of one wire end is adjusted on test before the baking stage. >> Cheers > You're surely pulling someone's leg. Oh yes, I'm sure of it! All the resistors I've used in the last 30 years or so had a ceramic core, with ends fuest to the core, and then either metal film or carbon film deposited onto that. Then, they use an air/abrasive just to cut a helical groove in the film for higher resistance values. Then, they are painted overall with that manufacturer's base color (often tan or light blue) and then the color code is applied. I'm guessing they have a machine with a row of some kind of rollers each with the right paint color, and they paint all the stripes in one pass. But, I've never seen pictures of such a machine. If they were made as described above, the color would go all the way through the resistor. I've broken enough over the years to know the inside is always white for film resistors, and black for carbon composition. Jon |
| David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com>: Jan 04 06:15PM >OTOH this simple Soviet invention worked well and had no such issues:= 20 >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device) Little Gem was not in the Embassy; it was in Spaso House. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close.......................... Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 04 03:05PM -0500 Jeff Liebermann wrote on 11/17/2017 1:47 PM: > to use a laser source and detector at the same location. > 1. Any common mode vibration of the laser and detector mounting would > cancel if they are mounted on a common surface. I believe you have that wrong. If the laser and detector vibrate the same in the direction toward/away from the reflector, the vibrations add, not subtract. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
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