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| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 07 12:10PM -0500 Chris wrote on 1/5/2018 4:06 AM: > of devices' batteries with minimal impact on users, although they did it in > a slightly underhand way. They were trying to do the right thing and should > have been more transparent about it. It's not just an issue of transparency, if the user experience is being impacted to mitigate the problems of a battery that is degrading prematurely in order to avoid warranty replacements, that's a problem in itself. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 07 12:12PM -0500 Chris wrote on 1/5/2018 4:03 AM: >> runs out. > Batteries are not covered under warranty unless shown to be truly defective > - not just swear and tear. I think a battery that prevents the device from running at full speed because the unit shuts down would be considered to be "truly defective". -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 07 06:14PM > It's not just an issue of transparency, if the user experience is being > impacted to mitigate the problems of a battery that is degrading prematurely > in order to avoid warranty replacements, that's a problem in itself. Again, that's not what is actually happening. There's no evidence that Apple devices have widespread premature battery degradation. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com>: Jan 07 06:28PM On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 12:12:25 -0500, rickman wrote: > I think a battery that prevents the device from running at full speed > because the unit shuts down would be considered to be "truly defective". Rick, You are logical and stating what any reasonable adult would state. But you're not dealing with normal thinking adults. You have to remember whom you're dealing with, where the Apple Apologists (nospam and Jolly Roger and BK @ OnRamp.net being major Apple Apologists) will argue *any* semantic avenue they can. They will state that nobody noticed. They will state that you should only read Apple MARKETING explanations. They will state that it was for the good of the consumer. etc. You can *predict* everything the Apple Apologists will say because they act like a cornered rat would act, if that cornered rat were Apple MARKETING herself. They'll never admit the truth. They'll twist out of the logical trap with clever semantic distortions. And, when all else fails, they'll outright tell boldfaced lies. In addition, Jolly Roger (more so than the rest) will simply call any fact he doesn't like, a troll. If you haven't already noticed this, then just continue what you think is an adult conversation with them ... and it *always* devolves to what I stated above (and worse). |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 07 06:30PM > Blah blah blah blah blah Apple Apologists blah blah blah Boring troll is boring. ZZZzzz... -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 07 01:42PM -0500 In article <p2tke2$sk9$3@dont-email.me>, rickman > I think a battery that prevents the device from running at full speed > because the unit shuts down would be considered to be "truly defective". if *you* were the product manager, what would *you* do, given that batteries age and there's no getting around that? |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 07 01:42PM -0500 In article <p2tkb0$sk9$2@dont-email.me>, rickman > It's not just an issue of transparency, if the user experience is being > impacted to mitigate the problems of a battery that is degrading prematurely > in order to avoid warranty replacements, that's a problem in itself. except that the batteries are not degrading prematurely, nor is apple trying to avoid warranty replacements. that's just ludicrous. in fact, apple is well known for replacing/repairing devices *out* of warranty for no charge. it's not a given, but it happens more often than one might expect. |
| BK@Onramp.net: Jan 07 01:01PM -0600 On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 12:10:58 -0500, rickman >It's not just an issue of transparency, if the user experience is being >impacted to mitigate the problems of a battery that is degrading prematurely >in order to avoid warranty replacements, that's a problem in itself. It had nothing to do with avoiding the warranty. Period. |
| Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com>: Jan 07 08:18PM On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 09:06:51 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > of devices' batteries with minimal impact on users, although they did it in > a slightly underhand way. They were trying to do the right thing and should > have been more transparent about it. You are an adult. Notice that the Apple Apologists will always claim the opposite of what a normal adult claims. Why? I don't know why. I just know that's what they do. * Jolly Roger (who claims all truths are lies) * nospam (who tells you only to read what Apple Marketing writes!) * Savageduck (who can only high-five what the others claim) * BK onRamp (who hasn't ever added one iota of technical value yet) etc. Bear in mind, these Apple Apologists are not normal adults so when you try to reason with them, they try to drive you nuts will their clever contortions. You're seeing them work you in action as we speak. |
| Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com>: Jan 07 08:19PM On 7 Jan 2018 18:14:52 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote: > Again, that's not what is actually happening. There's no evidence that > Apple devices have widespread premature battery degradation. Notice the absurd claims of the Apple Apologists. They can't even believe their own claims. And yet they make them. |
| Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com>: Jan 07 08:20PM On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 13:42:43 -0500, nospam wrote: > except that the batteries are not degrading prematurely, nor is apple > trying to avoid warranty replacements. that's just ludicrous. Notice that these Apple Apologists make claims that even they can't possibly believe if they're normal adults. |
| Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com>: Jan 07 08:21PM > It had nothing to do with avoiding the warranty. Period. Notice that it was *secret*, *permanent*, and *drastic*, but, of course, to the Apple Apologists, it had nothing to do with the warranty. One has to wonder if the Apple Apologists can possibly believe their own words. |
| Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com>: Jan 07 08:24PM On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 13:42:40 -0500, nospam wrote: >> because the unit shuts down would be considered to be "truly defective". > if *you* were the product manager, what would *you* do, given that > batteries age and there's no getting around that? What I would do is figure out the problem, and then figure out a remedy. I would propose to Apple Marketing two solutions and let them pick: 1. Secretly, permanently, and drastically throttle CPU speeds, hoping nobody notices the subterfuge, or, 2. Openly admit fault & replace the defective phones with a trade in to a re-designed phone when that redesigned phone is designed. I'd let Apple Marketing pick the solution (since they are admittedly one of the best marketing organizations in the world). |
| Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com>: Jan 07 08:28PM On 5 Jan 2018 03:53:03 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote: > And now he's talking to himself with two different nyms... Have you *ever* posted any on-topic technical value to a thread? |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 07 10:57PM > On 5 Jan 2018 03:53:03 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote: >> And now he's talking to himself with two different nyms... > Have you *ever* posted any on-topic technical value to a thread? Yep, you just ignore those posts. Sad, old foolish troll. You're fooling nobody. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Jan 07 07:22PM -0600 On 1/7/18 4:57 PM, Jolly Roger wrote: > Sad, old foolish troll. You're fooling nobody. Actually, he's doing an excellent job on Rickman. -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 08 02:20AM > On 1/7/18 4:57 PM, Jolly Roger wrote: >> Sad, old foolish troll. You're fooling nobody. > Actually, he's doing an excellent job on Rickman. Touche! -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com>: Jan 08 05:12AM On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 19:22:09 -0600, Fox's Mercantile wrote: > Actually, he's doing an excellent job on Rickman. Adults have a knack for intelligent conversation that you Apple Apologists haven't progressed to yet. |
| Paul Drahn <pdrahn@jodeco.com>: Jan 07 11:48AM -0800 On 1/5/2018 10:40 AM, Nowhere Man wrote: > https://www.ebay.com/itm/222777410635?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 > Any thoughts?? > Thanks, Not to me. What is it? paul |
| oldschool@tubes.com: Jan 07 02:04PM -0600 On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 18:15:08 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote: >>OTOH this simple Soviet invention worked well and had no such issues:= 20 >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device) >Little Gem was not in the Embassy; it was in Spaso House. What does this have to do with electronics repair? Take it to an appropriate newsgroup..... |
| Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Jan 07 02:27PM -0600 > What does this have to do with electronics repair? > Take it to an appropriate newsgroup..... Thank you. Here's your official "Junior Net Nazi" badge. (.) -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
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