Digest for sci.electronics.repair@googlegroups.com - 11 updates in 3 topics

captainvideo462009@gmail.com: Sep 18 04:07AM -0700

I plan on installing my Yaesau FT 867 in my car. The car was a former state police vehicle and so holes were already cut in both the middle of the trunk and the middle of the roof. I have a bunch of NMO type antenna bases around here that cover these frequencies and I would like to use these antennas for this. I have used these antennas before but only for one specific frequency. It has been my experience that these antennas tune rather sharply. Since both of these bands are 4 MHZ wide what frequency should I cut the antennas for? Center frequency would be easy but wouldn't an antenna cut for 52 MHZ have very poor SWR when used at 50 MHZ? The rig has both low and high band outputs. I'm not sure what I should do. Thanks for any input on this. Lenny
Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com>: Sep 18 12:36PM -0400

In article <f899c883-5185-4ac3-95b2-33c2d3e6e9e1@googlegroups.com>,
> Center frequency would be easy but wouldn't an antenna cut for 52 MHZ have
> very poor SWR when used at 50 MHZ? The rig has both low and high band
> outputs. I'm not sure what I should do. Thanks for any input on this. Lenny
 
Lenny-
 
I would get the matching LDG auto tuner. It would work on HF through 6
Meters. That way you could cut the 6 Meter antenna for mid-band and let
the tuner match other frequencies.
 
This assumes the antenna needs tuning. I would check it to see how far
off it is at band edges when tuned to 52 MHz. If you are lucky, the
FT-867 can tolerate the extremes.
 
Fred
dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt): Sep 17 11:30AM -0700

>but it happened again 2 hours later. Now it clicks off when on from
>anywhere from 2 seconds to hours. Is there a common fault for this
>receiver causing these symptoms? Thanks. Chuck
 
Check for current leakage in the areas around the on/off switch.
 
Some decades ago I had a Macintosh II which had a habit of turning
itself on without human intervention - usually in the morning.
 
I eventually traced the problem to the keyboard. The Mac II uses a
"soft" power switching setup, where the keyboard power switch pulls
one of the ADB-cable lines down to ground. This sense line has a very
high source impedance, and it didn't take much current leakage to
ground to false-trigger it.
 
The Mac II was in a spare bedroom that got quite cold at night during
the winter (the place we were renting had a lousy heating system and
no insulation). In the morning, my wife would take a shower, humid
air would flood the back of the house, some moisture would condense
inside the cold keyboard case, and a few microamps of current would
leak across the switch contacts. BONG!
 
I cleaned the keyboard's PC board in the area of the switch with some
alcohol, coated it with something insulating (I think I used a thin
film of my wife's acrylic nail polish) and the problem went away.
 
So, I'd suggest inspecting the power switch and the PC board around
it. Possibly some old flux, or the dreaded "yellow glue" on the board
has become conductive with age. Clean it all up thoroughly (careful
scraping, flux-remover spray, etc.), dry well, and apply a conformal
insulation coating of some sort, and see if that resolves the problem.
 
Looking at the manual for the RD-6106 (which may be similar) - this
receiver does seem to have a "soft" power switching system, where the
main AC voltage can be controlled by both a "hard" switch, and by a
relay system driven from the control logic. The control logic then
looks at a "standby" pushbutton... this is a low-level contact closure
and seems to be tied in with the main keyboard scanning logic. So, a
contaminated "standby" PC board / assembly might be at fault.
Chuck <ch@dejanews.net>: Sep 17 10:02AM -0500

I don't have a service manual for this receiver but I checked the 6V
standby voltage and the 15V line from the standby power supply and
they both are at the correct voltage and have low ripple. I've heated
and cooled the boards with no change of symptoms. The problem began by
the receiver turning on in the middle of the night. Reset the micro
but it happened again 2 hours later. Now it clicks off when on from
anywhere from 2 seconds to hours. Is there a common fault for this
receiver causing these symptoms? Thanks. Chuck
Chuck <ch@dejanews.net>: Sep 18 10:50AM -0500

On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 11:30:08 -0700, dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave
Platt) wrote:
 
>looks at a "standby" pushbutton... this is a low-level contact closure
>and seems to be tied in with the main keyboard scanning logic. So, a
>contaminated "standby" PC board / assembly might be at fault.
 
Thank you for your input. I had removed the conductive glue from the
boards with no improvement. I've seen the leaky tact switch faults on
tvs, but I didn't think of it in this case. Will disconnect it and see
if the receiver stays on.
Chuck <ch@dejanews.net>: Sep 18 10:53AM -0500

On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 08:30:14 -0700 (PDT), "pfjw@aol.com"
 
>Silly suggestion - does a piece of black tape over the IR sensor help at all? I suggest because I am seeing lots of "smart house" stuff starting to interfere with some legacy equipment out there. You might also isolate the remote as some of the touch-pad contacts may be aging and making random contact. That is to get past the obvious.
 
>Otherwise, I would trace out the on/off circuit and look for a bad capacitor on in that lot. This unit is approaching 18 years old, or so, about the time these tiny little electrolytics start to fail.
 
>Best of luck with it!
 
Yes, I covered the IR window but I didn't disconnect the IR receiver
which have caused weird tv symptoms. Thank you for your suggestions.
"J.B. Wood" <arl_123234@hotmail.com>: Sep 18 06:18AM -0400

> Sure. I will not suggest that it happens "all the time", but I have had a couple of big, honking (5,000uf @ 80V) coupling caps go off like Roman candles, leaving no other marks and giving no warning. These things had little rubber plugs on top - and the only visible evidence after the show was that the plug was missing. Made in Scotland, as it happens.
 
> Peter Wieck
> Melrose Park, PA
 
Hello, and if it isn't Scotch, it's craaaap! Sincerely, and with
apologies to the creators of a very old Dan Aykroyd SNL sketch),
 
--
J. B. Wood e-mail: arl_123234@hotmail.com
"pfjw@aol.com" <peterwieck33@gmail.com>: Sep 18 04:39AM -0700

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 6:18:21 AM UTC-4, J.B. Wood wrote:
 
 
> Hello, and if it isn't Scotch, it's craaaap! Sincerely, and with
> apologies to the creators of a very old Dan Aykroyd SNL sketch),
 
Blended scotch is not fit to clean toilets.
 
Balvenie Double-Wood is quite nice, however, for a mid-range single malt.
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
"J.B. Wood" <arl_123234@hotmail.com>: Sep 18 09:15AM -0400


> Balvenie Double-Wood is quite nice, however, for a mid-range single malt.
 
> Peter Wieck
> Melrose Park, PA
 
Bien sur, Peter, and offerings from Macallan, Glenfiddich and
Glenmorangie ain't bad either, IMHO. And there's always that smokey
peat essence to be had in Sam Adams' Scotch Ale as well. I screwed up -
I should have said "Scottish" vice "Scotch". OK, back on topic. Sincerely,
 
--
J. B. Wood e-mail: arl_123234@hotmail.com
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>: Sep 18 09:35AM -0400

On 9/18/18 9:15 AM, J.B. Wood wrote:
> peat essence to be had in Sam Adams' Scotch Ale as well.  I screwed up -
> I should have said "Scottish" vice "Scotch".  OK, back on topic.
> Sincerely,
 
My grandfather was born in a peat hut on the Isle of Skye. To the end
of his days he insisted on being called a Scotchman, not a Scotsman.
 
I cordially dislike whisky in all its flavours.
 
Cheers
 
Phil Hobbs
"pfjw@aol.com" <peterwieck33@gmail.com>: Sep 18 08:12AM -0700

I remember my high-school English teacher explaining that Seltics lived in Boston and were mostly over six (6) feet. Keltics, on the other hand, live in Ireland, Scotland and Wales, and parts of Brittany and come in all sizes and shapes. Scotch was for drinking, Scots were people, scotties were dogs (we have one), and Scottish was the generic.
 
His favorite phrase, which I use on occasion was: "I know what you said, but I am still trying to discern what you mean."
 
He was a stickler, to this day, whenever I am asked "Can I.... ", my very nearly instant reply is: "I don't know, can you?" Whenever I meet classmates, now over 50 years later, we still drop that line on occasion.
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
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