Digest for sci.electronics.repair@googlegroups.com - 16 updates in 3 topics

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N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Dec 27 11:27AM

Waving a magnet around does noticeably affect the image displacement.
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>: Dec 26 09:25AM -0800

On 12/25/2018 12:27 PM, arlen holder wrote:
> Merry Christmas!
 
> What would be your OBDII hardware + Android/iOS freeware recommendation?
 
I would ante up for Torque Pro. I would not use the free application.
 
For hardware, buy the Carista. It seems to have less issues connecting
to Bluetooth than the $2 el-cheapo ELM327 devices which do work but
sometimes have a problem when reconnecting after the vehicle is turned
off, requiring unpairing then re-pairing.
 
There's a big advantage to the Carista if you have one of the vehicles
that they support extra functionality on, but that functionality is not
free.
 
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YVHGTBM>
 
The Carista is BLE so it will work with the iPhone (but Torque Pro is
not available on iOS), while the less expensive models are Bluetooth
only, and require SPP which iOS doesn't support.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Dec 26 12:33PM -0500

In article <q00dig$dni$1@dont-email.me>, sms
 
> (but Torque Pro is
> not available on iOS),
 
who cares. there are *many* other obd apps on ios, some of which are
much better than torque.
 
> while the less expensive models are Bluetooth
> only,
 
they're all bluetooth.
 
some are bluetooth classic while others support both bluetooth classic
and bluetooth le (aka bluetooth 4), with a minor, if any, difference in
price.
 
> and require SPP which iOS doesn't support.
 
no need, since bluetooth le obsoletes spp and works much better all
around, even on android.
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>: Dec 26 09:45AM -0800

On 12/26/2018 9:25 AM, sms wrote:
 
> There's a big advantage to the Carista if you have one of the vehicles
> that they support extra functionality on, but that functionality is not
> free.
 
Specifically, you get the dealer-level functionality (which goes beyond
the standard OBD-II functionality) on Audi, BMW, Lexus, Mini, Scion,
Toyota and VW. Carista gives you a month of their app for free and of
course you could sign up for a month if you ever need that functionality
for a short time. The extended functionality includes vehicle
customization that would normally have to be done at a dealer, as well
as some additional non-standard diagnostics.
<https://caristaapp.com/all-vehicles>
arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>: Dec 26 06:35PM

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 09:45:41 -0800, sms wrote:
 
> Specifically, you get the dealer-level functionality (which goes beyond
> the standard OBD-II functionality) on Audi, BMW, Lexus, Mini, Scion,
> Toyota and VW.
 
Thanks for the Carista recommendation and the warning that iOS doesn't
support some of the standard protocols.
 
Mostly I'll be on Android (it's always easier than iOS) but my iPads have
larger screens than my Android phablet does.
 
I do have a bimmer, but this question is mostly for other cars, as I
already have _all_ the BMW EDIABAS based factory (mostly in German) &
dealer software that my model uses, where I use INPA & Progman mostly
(where Progman requires emulation), but also I have downloads for DIS/GT1 &
EasyDIS (which also requires emulation) in addition to NCSExpert & NCS
Dummies and ToolSet32 & WinKFP & ToolSet32 - where I'm just looking at my
software archive as I've gathered a lot over the years since the links tend
to die quickly. (Most of the time, I just use INPA as I rarely need to
program the dozen or so electrical control units).
 
This software was originally written for RS232, but it's all USB cabling
nowadays, where my older bimmer is K-Line but most D-CAN cables with the
FTDI chip are backwards compatible.
 
For the other cars though, I don't have the dealer & factory software, so I
just use the old-style (cabled) OBDII readers with live data, but I am
always wanting to see the data on my phone while I'm driving, particularly
with intermittent issues which set triggers in modules which aren't deleted
with a normal OBDII clear.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Dec 26 01:44PM -0500

In article <q00hlr$c2n$1@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
> > Toyota and VW.
 
> Thanks for the Carista recommendation and the warning that iOS doesn't
> support some of the standard protocols.
 
ios supports the more advanced protocols. most (but not all) android
devices also support them. spp is *obsolete*.
William Gothberg <WG@internet.com>: Dec 26 11:46AM -0700

In article <261220181344014176%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
nospam@nospam.invalid says...
>> support some of the standard protocols.
 
>ios supports the more advanced protocols. most (but not all) android
>devices also support them. spp is *obsolete*.
 
I have a walmart phone.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Dec 26 01:48PM -0500

In article <MPG.368d7a70cf02ade87f1@news.eternal-september.org>,
 
> I have a walmart phone.
 
walmart sells phones from other manufacturers. they don't make their
own.
"William Gothberg" <"William Gothberg"@internet.co.is>: Dec 26 06:50PM


>> ios supports the more advanced protocols. most (but not all) android
>> devices also support them. spp is *obsolete*.
 
> I have a walmart phone.
 
Fuck off, you're a fake William Gothberg, did you think I wouldn't notice?
"William Gothberg" <"William Gothberg"@internet.co.is>: Dec 26 06:51PM


>> I have a walmart phone.
 
> walmart sells phones from other manufacturers. they don't make their
> own.
 
Congratulations, you've replied to the Fake William Gothberg.
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>: Dec 26 12:29PM -0800

On 12/26/2018 10:35 AM, arlen holder wrote:
> always wanting to see the data on my phone while I'm driving, particularly
> with intermittent issues which set triggers in modules which aren't deleted
> with a normal OBDII clear.
 
Torque Pro is a really awesome app. An Android phone and a Bluetooth
OBD-II dongle is much superior to the cheap OBD-II readers.
 
One really nice thing is being to set alarms for things like engine
temperature.
 
I keep seeing people ask "is there an equivalent to Torque Pro for iOS?"
No there isn't. There are iOS Apps for OBD-II but nothing as good as
Torque Pro.
 
 
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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Dec 26 03:30PM -0500

In article <q00oal$b47$1@dont-email.me>, sms
 
> I keep seeing people ask "is there an equivalent to Torque Pro for iOS?"
> No there isn't. There are iOS Apps for OBD-II but nothing as good as
> Torque Pro.
 
nonsense. not only are there equivalents, there are even better options.
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey): Dec 26 08:30PM -0500

>for a short time. The extended functionality includes vehicle
>customization that would normally have to be done at a dealer, as well
>as some additional non-standard diagnostics.
 
In the case of Carista, there is a -lot- of stuff that the BMW dealer can
configure with their system that Carista can't touch. And forget trying
to do transmission diagnostics. But for the most part Carista lets you
see the engine parameters that you need to see and a reasonable number of
non-engine things, and it's hard to beat the price. Still, you're stuck
with that tiny little screen and the flake-o hardware interface.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>: Dec 27 03:02AM

On 26 Dec 2018 20:30:58 -0500, Scott Dorsey wrote:
 
> there is a -lot- of stuff that the BMW dealer can
> configure with their system that Carista can't touch. And forget trying
> to do transmission diagnostics.
 
I use INPA, almost exclusively, for the bimmer, where we have to
distinguish OBD from everything else for this particular question.
 
The question here was really only about OBD, since I assume everyone who
wants to check things like their VANOS timing or their transmission shift
points or doorlock preferences, will already have the factory/dealer
software for checking and setting these myriad non-OBD things.
 
You start with the Bentleys & INPA, where BT OBD is merely a convenience.
arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>: Dec 27 03:03AM

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 15:30:14 -0500, nospam wrote:
 
> nonsense. not only are there equivalents, there are even better options.
 
Please just name one (link) if that's the case.
etpm@whidbey.com: Dec 26 01:04PM -0800

On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 15:26:13 -0600, Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com>
wrote:
 
>that can put indicators and buttons on the screen. I use it to show touch
>probe status and spindle speed, but you can put nearly anything on there,
>such as the value of that variable.
 
 
I can already do the above with an M code. The machine counter works
a little differently.
>That may involve adding a couple IO points to the hal configuration, but
>could certainly be done.
 
>Jon
Our power went off during a windstorm last week and then holiday
stuff came up but today I finally got back into the shop and had a
look inside the control cabinet to get an idea of what would be
involved, doing a swap.
There are 25 connectors from the main control board going into the
machine side. I want to use these connectors, all of them. So if
Honda connectors are still available then it looks to me like the best
way to go is to build a breakout board to interface the new control to
the machine through the existing Honda connectors.
Some connectors only use a few of the pins in the connector while
others use most or all. So there might be as many as 30 connections
being made in one connector. Many of the connectors are for connecting
a bunch of relays to the control. These relays in turn often connect
to bigger contactors.
A lot of the connectors bring the inputs from switches to the
control. 66 switches in total not counting the various limit and
pressure switches. And many of the switches have multiple positions.
With a new control a new keyboard could be used, and probably needs
to be unless Linux CNC will emulate a Fanuc 3T keyboard.
Anyway, it looks like a big project so I need to start getting
everything together and ready for a plug and play swap. Plug and play
is a big reason I want to use the original connectors. That way the
new control can be plugged in without removing the old one. Testing
can be done and if I hit any major snags then the old control can be
plugged in and the lathe can make parts while I work out the bugs.
Eric
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