Digest for sci.electronics.repair@googlegroups.com - 13 updates in 6 topics

Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>: Feb 17 10:31AM +1100

> I never heard of form taps, but I'll look into them.
 
They make roll-forming screws also. Google "tri-lobe screw". They're
much better and more secure than self-tappers, and you can remove and
replace them multiple times without weakening the thread.
 
Clifford Heath.
amdx <nojunk@knology.net>: Feb 17 10:08AM -0600

On 2/15/2019 4:15 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
 
> The 465 scope is the culprit, the vertical attenuator needs frequency adjustment.
 
> With the various probes in 10:1 setting, the trim cap allows you to compensate for the error in the scope.
 
> .... Phil
 
Anyone wanting to store this list of TEKtronix probe characteristics
should do it now. The link is no longer functional, I went to the
Wayback Machine to locate it.
> https://web.archive.org/web/20180104162744/http://www.reprise.com/host/tektronix/reference/voltage_probes.asp
It has info on about 100 different TEK probes.
 
Mikek
tubeguy@myshop.com: Feb 17 02:11AM -0600

On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 13:32:07 -0500, Ralph Mowery
>temperature are the main killers of the capacitors.
 
>Any of the good brand capacitors should last longer than most of us will
>be around.
 
Yes, the original question was which caps are BEST, but much of my
concern is based on the failed motherboards, which only lasted a year or
so.
 
Knowing the name used on these really bad junk caps would be useful to
know too. I'm pretty fussy when I buy caps and some other components,
but I do sometimes buy "grab bags" (like on Craigslist) if the price is
right, and I know some parts will be usable. But knowing the name used
on those conterfeit caps, or any others known to fail is good to know.
If the caps are known bad, I am not going to use them for anything other
than a breadboard test design, (or not at all).
 
I'm curious what brand of motherboards were the bad ones too....
 
It's just good to know things like this. Just like every brand of car
seems to have certain common failure or breakdown problems, and knowing
what to check and watch for, is helpful.
<dl8fbh@dl8fbh.ampr.org>: Feb 17 04:48PM +0100


> That leads to finding brands which are reliable. And I assume price
> tells all. Cheap imports are likely the worst, while high priced US made
> ones will last longer.
 
Electrolytics from Panasonic
 
Mike
tubeguy@myshop.com: Feb 17 02:11AM -0600

On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 00:43:10 -0600, Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>
wrote:
 
>which creates a HUGE spike, not related to the turns ratio.
>The "return" is through the primary back to the + terminal
>on the battery.
 
This is proof that not all the videos on youtube are accurate. I watched
one and the guy insisted that the (-) terminal was the return path for
the secondary. Another video said that EITHER primary connector can be
used to test a coil for a spark.
 
It does seem kind of bizarre that the (+) terminal is used for the high
voltage return, (knowing that spark plugs complete the circuit by being
connected to the engine block, which is connected to the battery
GROUND).
 
I guess this is why I think the circuits are weird. They do not seem to
match general electronic knowledge. But they work and have worked for
well over a half century, so I am not going to dispute it. Yet, it still
seems odd to me.... Especially when I see the high voltage is actually
grounding THRU the 12 volt battery.... (without damaging the battery).
 
Then too, I recall the time I connected a 12v battery charger to a
battery connected to a 12VDC electric fencer. It took about 3 seconds
for me to see a bright flash inside the battery charger, then smoke.
Every diode in that battery charger was instantly destroyed. I still do
not understand why the high voltage came thru the "primary" of that
fencer, but I now know to never connect a charger to a battery until the
fencers is turned off.
 
And on that same note, I know someone else who connected one of those
fencers to the battery in his car for a temporary livestock fence. Not
only did he get a nasty shock when he touched his car, but his
alternator was destroyed.
 
Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Feb 17 01:12AM -0600

I'm looking for the manual/schematic for the B&K Model
400 CRT tester.
 
 
--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Feb 16 06:29PM -0500

Why are switches being rated at different amps ?
 
I see lots of them on ebay rated for 10 maps at 240 volts and 20 amps at
120 volts.
 
Looks to me they should have the same amp rating at all voltages. The
do not specify any kind of load like something that would draw a larger
current at startup with a higher voltage.
Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Feb 16 05:30PM -0600

On 2/16/19 5:29 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
 
> Looks to me they should have the same amp rating at all voltages. The
> do not specify any kind of load like something that would draw a larger
> current at startup with a higher voltage.
 
It's because of the arc ratings on switching to off.
 
--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>: Feb 16 06:33PM -0500

On 2/16/19 6:29 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
 
> Looks to me they should have the same amp rating at all voltages. The
> do not specify any kind of load like something that would draw a larger
> current at startup with a higher voltage.
 
 
'tain't the turn-on that's the issue, it's the turn-off. That's why
fuses rated at 250VAC are also rated at 32VDC.
 
A friend of a friend was severely injured a couple of weeks ago by an
arc flash at a 480V breaker panel. Turning off high-energy circuits is
no joke.
 
Cheers
 
Phil Hobbs
 
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
 
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>: Feb 16 04:38PM -0800

Ralph Mowery wrote:
 
> Why are switches being rated at different amps ?
 
> I see lots of them on ebay rated for 10 maps at 240 volts and 20 amps at
> 120 volts.
 
** The same switch is likely rated at 20 maps for DC switching up to 24V. Above that voltage, contact to contact arcing will become very severe or continuous.
 
 
> Looks to me they should have the same amp rating at all voltages.
 
 
** You gotta be kidding.
 
Inrush surge capacity is another matter, requiring both heavier contacts plus a strong switch off force to pull contacts apart that have become slightly welded.
 
 
 
.... Phil

 
.... Phil
Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Feb 16 07:53PM -0500

In article <5badnWXL29d8APXBnZ2dnUU7-dXNnZ2d@supernews.com>,
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net says...
 
> A friend of a friend was severely injured a couple of weeks ago by an
> arc flash at a 480V breaker panel. Turning off high-energy circuits is
> no joke.
 
I have seen the results of a 480 volt 3 phase 'blow up', Fellow at work
turned on a breaker that was only a 20 amp rating for a small motor.
Not sure what hapened, but it melted down a whole bank of about 30 or 40
cubicals in a load control center. That bank ws fed with around 400
amps from a larger breaker in what we called a substation room. It
meleted out the bus bars on that load control center.
 
 
When working I dealt with 480 V 3 phase equipment almost daily. Lots of
10 to 100 hp motors and some heaters that were fused at 250 amps.
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>: Feb 16 07:57PM -0500

On 2/16/19 7:53 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
 
> When working I dealt with 480 V 3 phase equipment almost daily. Lots of
> 10 to 100 hp motors and some heaters that were fused at 250 amps.
 
It's good to wear the Nomex suit and helmet when hacking with that
stuff. The FOAF was burned over more than 50% of his body. :(
 
Cheers
 
Phil Hobbs
 
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
 
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>: Feb 16 09:34PM

>> resistive or capacitive touch at all, it's breaking a grid of infrared
>> beams that criss-cross the screen.
 
> That would be quite expensive in terms of battery use.
 
Apparently the nook simple touch does have an IR matrix
 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nook_Simple_Touch>
 
> And Nooks are
> known for very long battery life. My wife will go for over a week,
> easily, reading several hours per day.
 
My kobo will too, it was apparently the last kobo model to use an IR
matrix (and I expect kindles last for ages too).
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