Digest for sci.electronics.repair@googlegroups.com - 14 updates in 3 topics

Bob Engelhardt <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net>: May 14 09:54AM -0400

Are these "bulging"? How much bulge is too much? Or is _any_ bulging
to much? "If you can see that it's not flat, it's too much"?
 
https://imgur.com/GymXlUb
 
Thanks,
Bob
Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com>: May 14 03:37PM +0100

On Tue, 14 May 2019 09:54:39 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
 
>https://imgur.com/GymXlUb
 
>Thanks,
>Bob
 
I had a few years refurbishing old equipment. I routinely replaced
power supply electrolytics as they were always suspect. I've found
some electrolitics that were not bulging but had no measurerable
capacitance.
 
I remember an Italian TV signal and video generator that had banks of
electrolytics wired in parallel rather than using high capacitance. It
was a good idea as small capacitors lasted longer than large ones. I
still changed them all!
 
Steve
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John-Del <ohger1s@gmail.com>: May 14 08:23AM -0700

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 9:55:17 AM UTC-4, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
 
> https://imgur.com/GymXlUb
 
> Thanks,
> Bob
 
Bulging is not an indication of the condition of a capacitor. I've seen many physically large capacitors in power supplies show some bulge and be dead on for value and ESR, and others that looked brand new and were decidedly low in value and high in ESR.
 
Either pull them and test them or at least scope across them (watch for hot ground with your scope).
John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: May 14 09:16AM -0700

On 2019/05/14 8:23 a.m., John-Del wrote:
>> Bob
 
> Bulging is not an indication of the condition of a capacitor. I've seen many physically large capacitors in power supplies show some bulge and be dead on for value and ESR, and others that looked brand new and were decidedly low in value and high in ESR.
 
> Either pull them and test them or at least scope across them (watch for hot ground with your scope).
 
In this case (I checked the photo) the bulging is certainly indicative
of a dying capacitor. Another clue is the black plastic sleeve has
pulled away from the top of the cap. As a matter of course we replace
any caps where the sleeve has shrunk - that is an indication of the cap
overheating or simply being in too hot an environment. A new cap has the
sleeve covering around 25% of the top of the cap, if you can see signs
of shrinkage then time to test and likely replace the cap.
 
As an aside, it is interesting that early amplifiers put all the
transistors in sockets (pretty reliable devices actually) and yet
soldered in the most failure prone part of all - the caps! Only on the
odd rare tube equipment did you see electrolytic cans that had an octal
style plug. Of course if the caps were in sockets then you would have
one more junction to fail (OK two junctions per cap) but at least you
could replace them more easily.
 
Ducking.
 
John ;-#(#
 
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"pfjw@aol.com" <peterwieck33@gmail.com>: May 14 09:20AM -0700

In general, capacitors are relatively inexpensive such that if one is in any doubt at all, replace them. All and at the same time, an ESR meter is a helpful - but NOT absolute - screening tool.
 
Yes, those caps appear to be bulging Further, the shrink covering on them has pulled down from the top. A typical cap has that covering turning onto the top by some amount greater than what you show.
 
https://media.rs-online.com/t_large/F7152707-01.jpg
 
My guess is that they have gotten very hot, one or more times. Which would explain both the shrinkage of the covering and the bulge.
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Bob Engelhardt <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net>: May 14 12:36PM -0400

On 5/14/2019 9:54 AM, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
 
> https://imgur.com/GymXlUb
 
> Thanks,
> Bob
 
Thanks for all the prompt and helpful replies.
 
This is my step son's amp and I have decided that I'm not going to do
any repair that might not be perfect in his eyes. So I'm going to
return it and let him know that the caps should be replaced.
Mike Coon <gravity@mjcoon.plus.com>: May 13 06:14PM +0100

In article <MPG.374358d8d2aa025d5b@news.plus.net>,
gravity@mjcoon.plus.com says...
 
> Oh, thanks, I might look that up. But the valve tester would certainly
> be older than that. It did have a lacquered wooden case, after all!
 
> Mike.
 
See https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/taylor_valve_tester_47a47.html
 
Mike.
Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com>: May 13 05:45PM

On Mon, 13 May 2019 18:14:29 +0100, Mike Coon wrote:
 
> See https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/taylor_valve_tester_47a47.html
 
Very nice, that. You should hang on to it; valves seem to be making a
comeback in some areas.
 
 
 
 
 
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Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>: May 14 09:13AM +1000

On 14/5/19 12:23 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2019 21:52:09 +1000, Lucifer wrote:
> What's worth salvaging from old photocopiers? I vaguely recall there's
> some exotic goodies in them somewhere.
 
Perhaps not exotic, but they tend to have a few nice 24V motors.
Lucifer <LuciferMorningstar@bigpond.com>: May 15 12:12AM +1000

On Mon, 13 May 2019 14:27:27 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
 
>I'll have to look into that. I had no idea of such extraordinarily low
>plate voltages as that. 9V eh? Wow! Do you happen to remember the type
>number of those? I'd be fascinated to check out the data sheet for 'em.
 
I don't remember other that the car radio used transistors for the
second audio and the audio output and valves for the rest.
Lucifer <LuciferMorningstar@bigpond.com>: May 15 12:24AM +1000

On Mon, 13 May 2019 09:39:11 -0500, Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>
wrote:
 
 
>> Valves don't need high voltage on the anode for low power
>> applications.
 
><http://www.junkbox.com/electronics/lowvoltagetubes.shtml>
 
Very interesting. Thank you.
Mike Coon <gravity@mjcoon.plus.com>: May 14 05:26PM +0100

In article <qbcafc$6ea$1@dont-email.me>, curd@notformail.com says...
 
> > See https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/taylor_valve_tester_47a47.html
 
> Very nice, that. You should hang on to it; valves seem to be making a
> comeback in some areas.
 
Too late; assuming they have not thrown it away, it has been at
Bletchley Park for several years, hopefully supporting their old
computer resusitation projects.
 
Mike.
bitrex <user@example.net>: May 13 05:03PM -0400

> I have an arduino mega 2560 and wants to use it to drive a 16x64 LED array but the outputs are not enough, Is there any way i can achieve this? Thank you.
 
You can use an addressable LED driver IC like this one from Texas
Instruments:
 
<http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tlc5940.pdf>
 
Data is fed in serially and they can be individually addressed with PWM
brightness control for each LED, and daisy chained to create larger
arrays. They come in different number of output channels per chip, too.
there's likely maximum number of individual ICs that can be
daisy-chained before clock skew becomes a problem.
 
If you only need on/off then scanning a row/column arrangement with
addressable latches would work as another poster suggested:
 
<https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/data-sheet/MC33996.pdf>
 
would also need a high-side driver.
 
Controlling a large billboard-like array that can do colors and
full-motion video is a non-trivial project, but a scrolling message
board for text doesn't require a high data rate.
tabbypurr@gmail.com: May 14 04:47AM -0700

On Monday, 13 May 2019 22:03:59 UTC+1, bitrex wrote:
 
> Controlling a large billboard-like array that can do colors and
> full-motion video is a non-trivial project, but a scrolling message
> board for text doesn't require a high data rate.
 
If spinning the display is an option you can greatly reduce the electronics.
 
 
NT
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