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"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com>: May 16 09:57PM +0800

On 5/16/2019 12:51 PM, Roy Q.T. wrote:
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> Take Your Time, Do It Right.
> And Yeah Put A Little Class & Finess Into It, Or Have Someone Do The Terminations For You ASAP.
 
ha ha... would someone wanna be electrocuted? :)
 
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"pfjw@aol.com" <peterwieck33@gmail.com>: May 16 09:14AM -0700

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Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com>: May 15 06:02PM -0700

On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 7:04:09 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> capacitors, but is it likely to be also switching in different cathode-
> grid DC biasing at the same time?
 
> TIA
 
These simple generators were intentionally distorted. They were over driven for three reasons.
 
The first was to make sure that the output didn't drop out and kill the oscillation at the high end of each band.
 
The second was to produce harmonics on the higher bands.
 
The third was to allow the unit to continue to operate as the tube aged. As far as the coils failing, some adsorbed moisture, which lowered their 'Q'.
 
Often, the 400 or 1,000 Hz tone was distorted, as well due to the lack of AGC. It gave a distinct sound in the receiver being aligned. Look at what HP did in their 606 and 608 series generators to produce a clean signal. They certainly didn't attempt to do it with two tubes!
 
I remember the low voltage tubes in car radios. They weren't used for very long. It was an attempt to eliminate the Vibrator derived HV plate supply, without using the more expensive transistors of their day. I think that Philco/Ford went that route, while Delco and Motorola went straight to all transistor designs. For used Philco, Bendix and Motorola radios in the '60s and '70a. BTW, Galvin Manufacturing invented the car radio, then they changed their name to Motorola to reflect their main product line.
John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: May 15 06:38PM -0700

On 2019/05/15 6:02 p.m., Michael Terrell wrote:
 
> The third was to allow the unit to continue to operate as the tube aged. As far as the coils failing, some adsorbed moisture, which lowered their 'Q'.
 
> Often, the 400 or 1,000 Hz tone was distorted, as well due to the lack of AGC. It gave a distinct sound in the receiver being aligned. Look at what HP did in their 606 and 608 series generators to produce a clean signal. They certainly didn't attempt to do it with two tubes!
 
> I remember the low voltage tubes in car radios. They weren't used for very long. It was an attempt to eliminate the Vibrator derived HV plate supply, without using the more expensive transistors of their day. I think that Philco/Ford went that route, while Delco and Motorola went straight to all transistor designs. For used Philco, Bendix and Motorola radios in the '60s and '70a. BTW, Galvin Manufacturing invented the car radio, then they changed their name to Motorola to reflect their main product line.
 
I thought the first car radio was back in the early 20s....seem to
recall seeing a picture in a magazine or old encyclopedia (I used to
read those for fun as a kid) in the 60s.
 
The Galvin/Motorola was the first commercially successful radio. Nice to
know where that famous name came from, thanks!
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_audio speaks of a car radio in
1924 in NSW, Australia.
 
 
John :-#)#
Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com>: May 15 07:51PM -0700

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 9:38:42 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:
> know where that famous name came from, thanks!
 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_audio speaks of a car radio in
> 1924 in NSW, Australia.
 
I had never heard of the 1924 radio. Was it a real car radio, or a battery powered radio installed in a car? I also remember one of the old Roy Rogers TV show episodes with a battery powered radio on a horse that they used to catch the bad guys. I saw that over 50 years ago. ;-)
 
I remember when Bendix switched from TO-3 output transistors, to TO-220. Despite the warnings not to bend the leads at the case, they did. They had over a double digit failure rate within two months of the cars being sold. They used a tiny daughter board, and mounted it in one of the holes for the original package. They were very shitty radios. :(
John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: May 15 10:30PM -0700

On 2019/05/15 7:51 p.m., Michael Terrell wrote:
 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_audio speaks of a car radio in
>> 1924 in NSW, Australia.
 
> I had never heard of the 1924 radio. Was it a real car radio, or a battery powered radio installed in a car? I also remember one of the old Roy Rogers TV show episodes with a battery powered radio on a horse that they used to catch the bad guys. I saw that over 50 years ago. ;-)
 
I think it was more likely a battery radio that someone jammed into a
car. I have a RCA 24 in my collection of early 20's radios that was an
early luggable battery radio. Used a few WD-11s and had two spares in a
holder - I imagine the tubes did not like being bounced around so spares
were really needed!
 
 
> I remember when Bendix switched from TO-3 output transistors, to TO-220. Despite the warnings not to bend the leads at the case, they did. They had over a double digit failure rate within two months of the cars being sold. They used a tiny daughter board, and mounted it in one of the holes for the original package. They were very shitty radios. :(
 
I had little to do with car radios, mostly I played with home battery
radios as a teenager.
 
How that led to pinball and jukebox sales and service is a mystery...
 
(well, not really, I LIKE fixing things!)
 
John :-#)#
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tabbypurr@gmail.com: May 15 10:42PM -0700

On Thursday, 16 May 2019 02:38:42 UTC+1, John Robertson wrote:
 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_audio speaks of a car radio in
> 1924 in NSW, Australia.
 
> John :-#)#
 
The 1924 radio was experimental. Imagine trying to get stable reception with a mobile positive feedback circuit set to the brink of oscillation, powered by either HT dry batteries or a vibrator PSU. Plus the thing had a huge aerial rig over the car. It wasn't a practical commercial proposition.
 
Of course you can lose the PFB and have a row of valves, but then your HT battery drain is far worse.
 
 
NT
Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com>: May 16 02:13PM

On Wed, 15 May 2019 18:02:53 -0700, Michael Terrell wrote:

> of AGC. It gave a distinct sound in the receiver being aligned. Look at
> what HP did in their 606 and 608 series generators to produce a clean
> signal. They certainly didn't attempt to do it with two tubes!
 
Very interesting, thanks!
 
 
 
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Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com>: May 15 07:37PM -0700

On Saturday, May 11, 2019 at 6:52:09 AM UTC-4, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
 
> > Diodes were the first semiconductor electronic devices. The discovery of crystals' rectifying abilities was made by German physicist Ferdinand Braun in 1874. The first semiconductor diodes, called cat's whisker diodes were made of crystals of minerals such as galena.
 
> An accurate, but totally useless answer that you cut and pasted from:
> <http://www.idc-online.com/technical_references/pdfs/electronic_engineering/History_of_diode.pdf>
 
 
No, I have never been to that site, but nice try, Skippy!
 
It came from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_rectifier
 
 
> in use up to the 70's because prior to that they didn't have reliable
> diodes and transistors.
 
> So I repeat, in 1939, no.
 
Repeat it all you want. Bipolars were developed in the '40s, but Field Effect were much earlier. They were unable to manufacture them, until the metalurgy improved to an acceptable level to do more that create single FETs in the lab.
Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: May 16 09:08AM -0500

On 5/15/19 9:37 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
>> <http://www.idc-online.com/technical_references/pdfs/electronic_engineering/History_of_diode.pdf>
 
> No, I have never been to that site, but nice try, Skippy!
 
> It came from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_rectifier
 
So what, it was still word for word verbatim copy and past
>> diodes and transistors.
 
>> So I repeat, in 1939, no.
 
> Repeat it all you want. Bipolars were developed in the '40s, but Field Effect were much earlier. They were unable to manufacture them, until the metalurgy improved to an acceptable level to do more that create single FETs in the lab.
 
Blather all you want about lab curiosities.
 
His question, and the answer, were with regards to solid state devices
used in production on 1939 tractors.
 
There weren't any. So unless you can prove otherwise, go fuck yourself.
 
 
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millinghill@yahoo.com: May 15 12:51PM -0700

Hi, I'm a newbie here.
My 14 year old broke our 75" Samsung LCD tv last week by slipping on a remote he didn't put away and hitting his head into it. The extended warranty doesn't cover a kid's head smashing into it. We saved for a long time to splurge on the $1,800 cost about 18months ago. Ouch. The glass is fine, but when you turn it on, the LCD is clearly and significantly shattered in the top left corner. Is there any Youtube video or other guidance on what parts to try to salvage (and resell on Ebay) before I just put this in a dumpster? If so, what's the possible resale in parts? Not worth it for, say, $50, but I would consider salvaging parts if possible to get more than that. Advice/Opinions appreciated.
Thanks
Theodore
N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: May 15 09:27PM +0100

> My 14 year old broke our 75" Samsung LCD tv last week by slipping on a remote he didn't put away and hitting his head into it. The extended warranty doesn't cover a kid's head smashing into it. We saved for a long time to splurge on the $1,800 cost about 18months ago. Ouch. The glass is fine, but when you turn it on, the LCD is clearly and significantly shattered in the top left corner. Is there any Youtube video or other guidance on what parts to try to salvage (and resell on Ebay) before I just put this in a dumpster? If so, what's the possible resale in parts? Not worth it for, say, $50, but I would consider salvaging parts if possible to get more than that.. Advice/Opinions appreciated.
> Thanks
> Theodore
 
The microprism plastic "diffuser" sheets make fantastic sci-fi rainbow
lamp-shade material. Assuming LED backlights, shave the LEDs off the
heatsink material with scalpel/blade,most will survive once you get the
knack, for a lifetime supply of SM white LEDs for festoon lamp bodges or
whatever.
abrsvc <dansabrservices@yahoo.com>: May 15 01:33PM -0700

Look up on Ebay using the model number off of the back. Get a feel for what most of the listings are asking for the boards. Add all the averages together and cut the total by say 25%. Post the entire set of boards and cables for that amount and see what happens. You can also start the "bidding" at 30% off of the lowered price and see where the competitive bidding gets up to as an option as well. In any case, the entire set should fit into a large flat rage USPS box (approx $13) which will make shipping easier for you too.
 
Dan
Look165 <look165@numericable.fr>: May 15 11:55PM +0200

Maybe it can be a magnetic side effect.
The solution is to de-magnetize the screen.
 
makolber@yahoo.com: May 15 11:59AM -0700

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 7:37:05 PM UTC-4, Darryl Widman wrote:
> bias diodes.
 
> Other cures?
 
> --
 
check the devices with an ohm meter
check the emitter ballast resistors for opens with an ohm meter
use the variac or series light-bulb method when you turn it on again
m
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