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Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>: Jun 11 11:31AM -0400

On 6/9/19 5:31 PM, David B. wrote:
 
> Interesting. Do you know a lot about the subject?
 
>> Cheers
 
> Thanks for responding, Phil. :-)
 
I'm by no means an expert on it, but some IBM colleagues of mine did
some interesting work on that back about 2000-ish, so I took an interest.
 
Cheers
 
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three_jeeps <jjhudak@gmail.com>: Jun 11 07:56AM -0700

A colleague drops by my office toating a Tek R293 Programmable pulse generator and power supply and asks "Can I use a power supply?" followed by, I haven't turned it on in 35 years....
Having never seen one of these before (its circa 1966) and thought it might be an interesting thing to restore, even though I have never and probably will never have use for such a thing.
 
Looking through the manual scanning for the semiconductor parts list (and looking for the 'special' Tek parts, I see designations on a number of diodes: Snap Diode, Check. No number of any sort.
 
I never heard of one of these so google is my friend....(aka snap off diode or charge-storage diode or memory varactor) studied the schematics of the pulse generator a bit and realized what a neat device and interesting circuit design.
 
It probably has a lot of bad parts, given the age, and while repair would be quite a learning experience, my basis questions are:
1) how to determine the snap diode characteristics for this unique tek part?
2) and what are the chances of finding a reasonable substitute?
 
Assuming one of the snap diodes in the unit still functions, I could use a curve tracer and get some general parameters: Breakover voltage, approximate current range, reverse blocking voltage, leakage, etc. But determining the switch time would be critical in this application as that dictates the pulse characteristics.
 
Another thing that is of interest is this statement from Wikipedia:
"The main phenomenon used in SRDs is the storage of electric charge during forward conduction, which is present in all semiconductor junction diodes and is due to finite lifetime of minority carriers in semiconductors."
Finite lifetime of minority carriers....I assume when switching from forward conduction to reverse the minority carriers are quickly reversed in their flow given the abrupt change of voltage polarity?
J
John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Jun 11 08:15AM -0700

On 2019/06/11 7:56 a.m., three_jeeps wrote:
> "The main phenomenon used in SRDs is the storage of electric charge during forward conduction, which is present in all semiconductor junction diodes and is due to finite lifetime of minority carriers in semiconductors."
> Finite lifetime of minority carriers....I assume when switching from forward conduction to reverse the minority carriers are quickly reversed in their flow given the abrupt change of voltage polarity?
> J
 
Not sure about the Snap Diodes - you might want to check archive.org or
bitsaver.org for the Master Electronics Catalogs from that time for
specs. Sound like fast recovery diodes to me...
 
However in most cases running an ESR meter (Like Bob Parker's Blue ESR
meter kit) over the various capacitors will find a few bad ones at which
point the power supply may well work. Caps and electrical connections
are the weak link in electronics...
 
Just was playing with one of Bob's latest prototype ESR meter designs
yesterday which is a talking ESR meter and working on a sound board with
low volume. Having the meter talk to me (Bob's voice) was handy in that
I didn't have to take my eyes off the job and things went very quickly.
The meter going down to 0.001 ohms is handy too...
 
Nag Bob if you want to see these in production, he isn't sure there is a
market for a talking ESR meter...
 
He is currently working on this version of a simple ESR meter kit:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o25gLeakcbM
 
 
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Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com>: Jun 10 06:33PM

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 03:15:20 -0500, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
 
> Good Lord, what are you installing Linux on, eMachines?
> I've been doing Linux installs for the past 25 years, I've NEVER had a
> failure.
 
Same here. Never even heard of one!
 
 
 
 
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Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid>: Jun 11 12:26AM

> Same here. Never even heard of one!
 
I think early on there may have been some laptops where fans were
not handled properly, causing things to run too hot. Don't know if
it rose to the level of hardware failure though.
 
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~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com>: Jun 11 10:12PM +1200

On 10/06/2019 4:31 PM, bitrex wrote:
 
>> Jon
 
> The last Dell laptop I had used a three-wire PSU that locked you in to buying only Dell-branded
> power bricks..... <snipped>
I've never seen that on Dell's corporate range of laptops, only on the low-end retail things. The
corporate ones usually are capable of docking or using different size PSUs depending on needs so
are left 'flexible'. Also they've been using the same 19V rating and connector now for quite a
while so that customers can use their old PSUs and docking stations. (That said the latest Dell
'docking stations' are in fact wireless so not really docking stations at all.)
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Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com>: Jun 10 06:32PM


> If it is mechanical, it may be jammed on something caught in the gears,
> or perhaps the gears have slipped. Otherwise, you may need to replace
> the part.
 
If the main bearing is badly worn, then those teeth can come out of mesh.
I've had this with a Trio TS530s. It's a simple matter to reset the
gears, but if the worn bearing isn't dealt with beforehand it'll come out
of mesh again pretty quickly.
 
 
 
 
 
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Lucifer <LuciferMorningstar@bigpond.com>: Jun 11 02:10PM +1000

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 18:32:07 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
>I've had this with a Trio TS530s. It's a simple matter to reset the
>gears, but if the worn bearing isn't dealt with beforehand it'll come out
>of mesh again pretty quickly.
 
It works properly up to about 800Khz. Further rotation of the dial
is possible but the frequency on the digital readout and the part
around the dial do not go any higher.
Hopefully when I take the cover off I will be able to fix it.
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